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The speaker believes all vaccines are suspect. As an emergency medicine physician, the speaker thought vaccines only contained a dead or attenuated virus and saline. In September 2000, after reading a package insert and researching vaccines, the speaker was mortified to learn that a child receiving all scheduled vaccines gets almost 13,000 micrograms of aluminum, almost 600 micrograms of mercury, and over 200 chemicals. The speaker states that this is why vaccines have never been proven safe, and vaccination is like injecting foreign matter into a baby.

Speaker 0 contends that vaccination has always been a systematic poisoning of humanity. He traces this idea back to the era of smallpox, asserting that vaccines have long been made using sick animals, and that animal infections have been introduced into humanity through vaccination. He asserts that there is a barrier God put between humans and animals to prevent blood, pus, and biological mixing, and that this barrier is violated when substances are injected into muscles. He claims that the consequences of injecting such materials are dire. Regarding autoimmune concerns, Speaker 0 states that this phenomenon is not new and frames it as something that has not been previously encountered in this context. He mentions a scientist named Darja Kanduc (d a r j a k a n d u c), who he says has for years been publicly discussing autoimmune phenomena related to vaccines. He attributes Kanduc’s work to Italy, noting her criticism of various vaccines and the idea that there is an autoimmune response associated with them. Speaker 0 explains Kanduc’s position by describing how the immune system is designed to tolerate bacteria that we are naturally endowed with, unless those bacteria invade. In contrast, he says that injecting viruses, particles, and bacterial particles—along with adjuvants and other substances that cause inflammation—creates a situation in which autoimmune reactions are inherent. He emphasizes that this outcome is not universal for everyone, but he asserts that it is inherent to the process. In summary, Speaker 0 presents the view that vaccines introduce harmful biological material into the body, bypass natural barriers between humans and animals, and provoke autoimmune responses as an inherent consequence of injecting viral and bacterial components with inflammatory agents. He anchors this claim in Kanduc’s work, which he describes as highlighting the autoimmune phenomenon associated with vaccines and the immune system’s intolerance of externally introduced microbial particles, especially when adjuvants and inflammatory triggers are present.

The speaker expresses concern about vaccine adjuvants, particularly aluminum, and their potential link to allergies. They highlight the paradox of using inflammation-inducing substances to make vaccines work in a nonspecific way, especially when inflammation is generally considered harmful. The speaker argues that injecting aluminum to hyperactivate the immune system should necessitate specific instructions to minimize the risk of triggering reactions to non-pathogens, potentially leading to lifelong reactivity. They claim to have never heard such instructions being provided.

Speaker 1, Kelly, used to strongly advocate for vaccines but has since changed her stance. She believes that the increasing number of vaccines, now up to 72, is overwhelming the human immune system. Kelly argues that the immune system is complex and not well understood, and repeatedly exposing it to foreign proteins through vaccines may be contributing to the rise in autism, autoimmune diseases, and childhood cancers. She questions the necessity of vaccinating against non-lethal illnesses like shingles or the common cold. Kelly emphasizes the need to reevaluate the frequency and intervals of vaccinations and urges caution in the current approach to immunization.

I did not really know what an adjuvant was. At the moment I discovered that we were using a trick to hyperactivate the immune system in order to make the vaccine work, my thought was, how could that possibly be safe? Right. And what does it have to do with all of the allergies that we scratch our heads over? Right. Right? It doesn't make sense that I'm the immune system, you know, the the body of toxins, you know, into inflammation. I mean, in a world where inflammation is the bad guy, this product's designed to cause inflammation in order to work. In a totally nonspecific way. Here are the things that you should avoid eating for the next two weeks or a month.

Speaker 0 argues that the myth that vaccines are safe and necessary and that they eradicated childhood disease is false. He claims vaccines have never been tested for safety and that there are no placebo-controlled trials; in trials, the control group is given the immunogens that are in the vaccine, making the comparison deceptive. He emphasizes that vaccines typically contain a protein plus an accompanying substance—the adjuvant or immunogen—that stimulates an immune response, and that these adjuvants (such as aluminum or other substances) by themselves are dangerous. When the control group receives these adjuvants along with the experimental group, he says the side effects are similar, describing this as a “slight hand trick” and “extremely deceptive.” He notes that for the last forty years people have been shouting that there has not been a true placebo-controlled trial with saline. He then argues that if one looks at the history of all the childhood illnesses that vaccines target, they were almost all nearly eradicated before the introduction of the vaccine. He claims that the impression vaccines stop childhood illnesses is not true; almost all illnesses had reduced to extremely low levels due to sanitation and hygiene, development, and some antibiotics. Regarding the vaccines themselves, he states that the true data and history of these vaccines are “really horrible.” He mentions a history of lack of safety and relates it to sudden infant death syndrome, asserting that it “suddenly came out of nowhere as we suspended the schedule” and asks when death occurs. He asserts that sudden infant death syndrome is reproducible in that it occurs at two months, four months, and six months, and that most of those deaths occur within days to a couple of weeks of the vaccine. He concludes with a strong personal stance: if he had his young children today, he would not give them a single vaccine.

The speaker believes current vaccines and mRNA-based vaccine designs cannot be safe enough. They compare vaccines to television or social media, stating that the business model and methods used to obscure safety signals invalidate the products. Upon learning that vaccines use adjuvants to hyperactivate the immune system, the speaker questioned its safety and connection to allergies. They highlight that vaccines are designed to cause inflammation to work. Using aluminum as an example, the speaker argues that injecting aluminum to hyperactivate the immune system should require detailed instructions to minimize the risk of triggering the immune system to react to non-pathogens, which could cause lasting reactivity. They state they have never heard of such instructions.

According to the speaker, most vaccines have never been tested in a randomized, placebo-controlled trial to evaluate their safety. The speaker claims that vaccines contain aluminum compounds because many dead vaccines don't mount an immune response without them. The speaker alleges that in a Gardasil vaccine study, the placebo group received an aluminum adjuvant instead of a true placebo, resulting in similar side effect profiles between the active vaccine and placebo groups. The speaker asserts that Merck used a novel aluminum compound and that data suggests aluminum in vaccines is profoundly toxic. The speaker states that the only true randomized controlled trial involving a vaccine was conducted on sheep with blue tongue disease. The results allegedly showed that the aluminum in the vaccine was toxic, causing the sheep to become sick, unsociable, and, in some cases, die. The speaker concludes that the assumption that aluminum adjuvants in vaccines are safe is unfounded and has never been tested.

Here's something that people should know, is that aluminum provokes an allergic response, and that's why it's valuable. So if you put the aluminum in with the viral antigen, your body now mounts an allergic response to that viral antigen, whether it's polio or hepatitis B or the, you know, HPV or whatever. the alumina also creates allergic responses to anything that's in the ambient environment. So if you have a peanut oil excipient in that vaccine, you and you put aluminum in it, now you could have a lifetime allergy to peanuts. And, you know, there’s two studies by Mawson and Cowlings, which show that children who are vaccinated with aluminum vaccines have thirty times the rate of allergic rhinitis as kids who don't.

Vaccines eradicated smallpox and polio. The speaker was taught that vaccines are safe, effective, and necessary, and there's no reason to question it. Medical school rotations reinforced that vaccines are safe and effective, and the speaker was told to ignore the inserts because that's lawyer jargon. Medical school provided no education about vaccine contents, safety records, informed consent, or the vaccine injury compensation program. The speaker assumed the science was settled and didn't question vaccines.

Vaccines work by modifying a disease and injecting it into the body, which helps the immune system recognize and fight it. However, concerns arise regarding the safety of certain substances used in vaccines. Aluminum, mercury, formaldehyde, and propylene glycol are mentioned as potentially harmful ingredients. The speaker questions the lack of safety tests for these substances and their potential effects on the body, particularly the brain. They argue that vaccines have known side effects, including encephalopathy, and highlight the large amount of money paid out in damages to children harmed by vaccines. The speaker criticizes Bill Nye for oversimplifying the topic and omitting these concerns.

Rats can be given food allergies by administering aluminum adjuvant from the hepatitis B vaccine along with a specific protein like peanut or dairy. This induces a permanent allergy to that protein. Vaccines not only contain aluminum adjuvant but also peanut oil excipients, potentially contributing to peanut allergies in a generation. The aluminum adjuvant can also trigger allergies to substances in the environment at the time of vaccination, such as Timothy weed. A study by Mawson indicates that vaccinated children have 30 times the rate of allergic rhinitis compared to unvaccinated children. The speaker claims that the prevalence of allergies in children is linked to the aluminum in vaccines.

Big problem with trusting the science is not the science part, it's who's behind the science part, primarily in the area of vaccines for children. Normally, when you study a drug, you compare it with a placebo, so that way you can truly test the side effects on something, but that is not how they test children's vaccines. This so called placebo control is not really a true placebo control because it's not inert. It's an active vaccine with something called an adjuvant. The big one that they've been using for a long time is aluminum. My question is, how can you really truly test the safety and effectiveness of something if you're looking at the relative safety of an active vaccine to another active vaccine with adjuvants. That just muddies the water to this whole safe and effective claim that you keep hearing over and over and over.

The speaker states they used to believe inoculations were an elegant, minimal intervention with large benefits. They now consider injecting anything into tissue with a hypodermic needle a radical intervention. They argue that comparing mercury in shots to mercury in tuna is a game of smoke and mirrors because there shouldn't be mercury in tuna, the amount in tuna isn't trivial, and there's a huge difference between ingesting mercury and injecting it. The body doesn't have mechanisms to deal with injected mercury, so the consequences are arbitrary. While they still believe vaccination is potentially valuable, they do not trust the mechanisms that generate or test these products for effectiveness or safety.

Speaker 0 expresses a belief that adverse events from regular vaccines occur more frequently than people imagine, including things like allergies. They state that their own allergy to wheat is likely the result of an adjuvant that caused their immune system to react to something normal in their gut in a way from which they feel they will never recover. They also mention that one of their sons has seasonal allergies that are significant enough to disrupt daily life, while another son has a dairy allergy that the speaker attributes to an allergy to mother's milk, which the speaker says they did not understand at the time but observed as the baby spit up regularly after breastfeeding. The speaker describes this dairy-related issue as a huge waste of a precious resource and questions whether evolution could be blamed for it, noting the expectation that ancestors would be starving and not surrender such nutrients if food were abundant. The speaker elaborates on their current interpretation by suggesting that the dairy allergy in their child was developed very early, probably from an adjuvant in a childhood vaccine. They use this line of reasoning to illustrate a broader point about their view of vaccines and safety testing. The long, winding explanation leads to the central claim: given the education they have received, if they could do everything again, they would choose not to give any vaccines to their newborn children. They make it clear that they are not asserting that it is impossible that some vaccines are more beneficial than harmful, but they state that they now know they cannot trust the safety testing. In the closing, the speaker asserts that even if there were indications that a vaccine might be net beneficial, they would be compelled to wonder what else they do not know. The overall message emphasizes a deep skepticism about safety testing and a belief that current knowledge is insufficient to justify vaccinating newborns, as presented by Speaker 0.

Speaker 0 expresses clear personal hesitation about vaccines, stating that they are not jabbed and would not touch the experimental mRNA and gene therapy experiments, asserting there is a lot of concern about these technologies from many medical people. They reference political figures and media narratives, saying Kennedy in the United States will expose much of this material and that Donald Trump is keen to see it as well. Speaker 0 then recalls personal health concerns related to vaccination, mentioning friends who have experienced myocarditis, blood clots, strokes, and other problems after receiving the COVID jab, and emphasizes the idea of long-term effects being unknown. Speaker 1 counters by saying they still believe in vaccinations, but notes that no one on that side would discuss possible problems with vaccines, and they themselves got vaccinated multiple times and are now open to the idea that there might have been problems. They acknowledge the complexity of the issue and state they do not object to vaccines inherently. Speaker 0 clarifies their stance further, stating they are not a medical expert but their instinct was not to have the vaccine, and they acknowledge how difficult it was to avoid it since the state appeared to force people to receive it. Speaker 1 adds that their own vaccination status includes having been vaxxed several times, and they feel okay today, though they recognize the complexity of the situation and that long-term effects are uncertain. Speaker 0 then discusses the notion that the state and public health authorities pressured people to vaccinate, naming the NHS, Matt Hancock, and portraying the messaging as a duty to vaccinate “because you might kill granny,” mentioning Trudeau and the World Economic Forum Brigade as part of the broader narrative. Speaker 0 proposes an alternative approach: those who are vulnerable should isolate themselves. They reference Anders Tegnell’s approach in Sweden, which did not impose lockdowns. They claim Sweden’s economy hardly missed a heartbeat, in contrast to “ours,” and argue that the pandemic greatly disrupted young people’s lives and education, with knock-on effects described as huge. Speaker 0 concludes that those who made the lockdown decisions are not ready to admit they got it wrong, for a host of reasons.

Alisa did not vaccinate her child because she is scared of both vaccinating and not vaccinating. She read warnings about introducing alien microorganisms into children's blood, citing potential long-term effects ranging from allergies and asthma to cancer, leukemia, multiple sclerosis, and sudden infant death syndrome. She felt it was wrong to vaccinate and believes people should think twice. One speaker questions the biochemical legacy of vaccinations and how long the effects last. Another speaker states that putting something into a baby's bloodstream requires careful consideration. They claim information about vaccines isn't really known or researched, and cite the original birth control pill as an example of something once considered safe that later proved detrimental to health.

According to the speaker, vaccines have never been tested in a randomized, placebo-controlled trial to evaluate their safety. The speaker claims that vaccines contain aluminum compounds because many dead vaccines don't mount an immune response without them. The speaker alleges that in a Gardasil vaccine study, the placebo group received an aluminum adjuvant instead of a true placebo, so the side effect profiles of the active vaccine and placebo groups were the same. The speaker asserts that Merck used a novel aluminum compound and that data shows aluminum in vaccines is toxic. The speaker states that the only completely randomized controlled trial was on sheep using a vaccine for blue tongue disease. The speaker claims the aluminum was toxic, the sheep became sick, their behavior changed, and many died compared to the placebo group. The speaker concludes that the presumption that aluminum as an adjuvant is safe is unfounded and has never been tested.

Here's something that people should know, is that aluminum provokes an allergic response, and that's why it's valuable. So if you put the aluminum in with the viral antigen, your body now mounts an allergic response to that viral antigen, whether it's polio or hepatitis B or the, you know, HPV or whatever. So if you have a peanut oil excipient in that vaccine, you and you put aluminum in it, now you could have a lifetime allergy to peanuts. They take the aluminum adjuvant from the hepatitis B vaccine, add a latex molecule, and that rat now has a permanent latex allergy. You add a peanut molecule and it has a permanent peanut allergy.

Aluminum in vaccines can trigger food allergies. Brett Weinstein believes there's a connection between aluminum in shots and the development of food allergies. According to dissolving illusions, vaccines with aluminum skew the immune system. The immune system has two arms: Th1 and Th2. Th1 includes T cells and lymphocytes, which eliminate garbage. Th2 deals with parasites and is mostly an antibody arm. Vaccinologists prioritize making sure there are enough antibodies. Vaccines with aluminum trigger the Th2 response, which is the allergic response and can set up the body for autoimmunity. DTaP and killed vaccines contain aluminum. Live attenuated vaccines do not contain aluminum.

The speaker discusses efforts by Secretary Kennedy and others in the anti-vaxx movement to remove alum from vaccines. Alum, an aluminum salt, is used in about seven pediatric vaccines as an adjuvant to stimulate an immune response. The speaker believes that forcing manufacturers to reformulate vaccines would be a major issue because alum is a safe ingredient that has been used for seventy years, and there is no good alternative. Reformulation could cause many vaccines to come off the market because they would no longer be effective at stimulating the immune system. The speaker claims that other potential adjuvants are probably not as safe, and that reformulating vaccines would create a real dislocation in the market.

The speaker expresses concern about the mRNA vaccines, specifically the Pfizer and Moderna ones, stating that they believe there are deliberate toxicities built into these materials. They explain how the immune system normally distinguishes between self and foreign substances, but when mRNA is used to make a piece of a foreign protein, the immune system goes into attack mode. The speaker argues that these vaccines cannot be safe for mass market use as they may cause the immune system to attack its own cells. They also claim that all four companies developing COVID-19 vaccines intentionally chose the spike protein, which they believe is biologically active and potentially toxic.

Speaker 0 initially considered people like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. "crazy anti-vaxxers." Invited to a church event in Murrieta, California, to hear Kennedy speak, the speaker admitted to Kennedy that they were trying to determine if he was "a crazy anti vaxxer." After listening to Kennedy's presentation on vaccines and injuries, the speaker felt regret for having fully vaccinated their children. This experience led the speaker to begin reading vaccine package inserts, something they had never done before due to their complexity. Upon examining these inserts and the studies included, the speaker concluded that the studies were flawed and the benefits of the products were minimal. The speaker claims this applies to both vaccines and drugs.

Speaker 0 argues that adverse events from regular vaccines are far more common than people imagine, including allergies. They state their personal allergy to wheat is likely the result of an adjuvant that caused their immune system to react to something normal in their gut in a way from which they will never be free. They also point to their children: one son has significant seasonal allergies that interfere with daily life, and another son has an allergy to dairy which they believe goes back to an allergy to mother's milk, noting that he spit up regularly after breastfeeding and that this perplexed them at the time. They describe this as a huge waste of a precious resource and remark that it seems like evolution messed up, especially given that ancestors faced scarcity and would not want to surrender nutrients when food was plentiful. They now think that the dairy allergy developed very early, probably from an adjuvant in a childhood vaccine. In tying these observations together, Speaker 0 uses their education and what they describe as painful education to make a concluding point. If they could start over, they would not give any vaccines to their newborn children. They clarify that they are not claiming it is impossible that some vaccines could be more beneficial than they are harmful, but they now know that they cannot trust safety testing. Therefore, even if there were indications that something might be net beneficial, they would have to wonder what is hidden or not known. Overall, the speaker presents a personal narrative linking vaccines to the development of allergies in themselves and their children, uses this to argue a broader distrust of vaccine safety testing, and concludes that, given their current understanding, they would choose not to vaccinate newborns despite acknowledging that some vaccines might be beneficial in certain scenarios. The emphasis is on perceived higher-than-expected adverse events, potential connections to adjuvants, the impact on allergies, and a strong reevaluation of newborn vaccination decisions based on safety testing concerns.

German summary: Speaker 0 äußert eine ganz konkrete, sehr gewagte These: "ich sage offen, dass ich von Impfungen bei Kindern unter 3 Jahren abrate." Speaker 1 fordert, das Buch zu lesen, das "so geschrieben ist, dass sogar Oberstufenschüler es verstehen", und sagt: "Wenn ein Arzt das liest und das nicht versteht, dann soll er seinen Titel an die Wand hängen." Er behauptet, Impfstoffe seien "lebensgefährlich" und die "größte Gefahr der Menschheit." Begründung: klassische Impfstoffe enthalten Zusatzstoffe wie Aluminiumsalze, die "Gift" seien und in die Blutbahn gelangen; der Unterschied zwischen Injektion und Verzehr sei entscheidend; in Muskeln injizierte Substanzen gelangen in die Blutbahn. Bei Kleinkindern sei die Konzentration nach einer Impfung mit Diphtherie, Tetanus, Patusis "unglaublich hoch." Er schlägt vor, "wartet wenigstens die 3 Jahre ab." Lebendimpfstoffe hält er für problematisch; "niemand hat's wirklich gezeigt, dass die Viren harmlos sind." Er verweist auf Polio, Tollwut und Tetanus und behauptet, "für keinen Impfung ... echte Wirksamkeit nachgewiesen worden" außer Tollwut und Tetanus. English translation: Speaker 0 asserts a very concrete, very bold thesis: "I openly say that I advise against vaccinations for children under 3." Speaker 1 urges reading the book, which is "written in a way that even high school students can understand," and says: "If a doctor reads it and does not understand it, then he should hang his title on the wall." He claims vaccines are "life-threatening" and the "greatest danger to humanity." Reasoning: classical vaccines contain additives such as aluminum salts, which are "poison" and reach the bloodstream; the difference between injection and ingestion is crucial; substances injected into muscle reach the bloodstream. In toddlers, the concentration after a vaccination with Diphtherie, Tetanus, Patusis is "incredibly high." He suggests "wait at least 3 years." He regards live vaccines as problematic; "no one has shown that the viruses are harmless." He references polio, rabies, and tetanus, and claims "for no vaccine has real efficacy been demonstrated" except for rabies and tetanus.