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As a nation with an ancient history and unique language, we Hungarians are proud to have maintained our culture for over a thousand years. Our patriotism and Christian values may not align with mainstream Western political thinking, but they are deeply ingrained in our society. While I may not be a favorite among liberals, Hungary prioritizes family, nation, and God over individual ego. We face criticism from the West because we offer a different, more traditional interpretation of society, challenging the exclusivity of liberal ideologies. Despite potential dangers, we remain strong and resilient. While we seek rational relations with everyone, accusations of being a puppet are baseless, especially given our history with Russia. We believe that Europe needs Russian involvement in its security architecture.

Hungary chose to defend its borders during the 2015 migration crisis, a stance that clashed with the EU's open-door policy. We believed it was our right and duty to protect our nation, culture, and traditions. Many European nations are experimenting with post-Christian, post-national societies, which we see as risky. Despite being labeled a "totalitarian thug" by President Biden, our nation maintains strong economic and defense ties with the U.S. The core issue is our success as a conservative, national alternative within Western civilization. Our economic, political, and cultural achievements, rooted in traditional values and national identity, challenge the liberal world view. They criticize us because our success proves there is an alternative to their leftist liberal ideals.

As the longest-serving leader in Europe, I recall being considered controversial for emphasizing the middle class, families, secure borders, and prioritizing citizens. We were an island of difference in a liberal ocean, stopping migration, defending traditional values, and respecting religious communities. Now, with the US no longer kneeing on our chest, it's an appeasement. The liberal elite used taxpayer money to spread their ideology, financing NGOs and media outlets, a plot against our sovereignty. One motivation is money, opening gates for business activity. Leftists are ideologically driven, believing in integrating migrants with traditional society. Trump has changed the mindset of the West, defending interests, prioritizing economic competitiveness, and respecting traditional values.

I met Prime Minister Orban 36 years ago and saw his vision for a new Hungary. The Ukraine war stems from the US's 1994 NATO expansion project, despite promises to Gorbachev. This was a deep state project that every president after Clinton was a part of. Yesterday was historic because Trump and Putin spoke, and the new defense secretary admitted Ukraine won't join NATO. This is the basis for peace. For 30 years, America has been playing a game of risk, seeking world hegemony. Marco Rubio acknowledged a multipolar world. The US must stop attacking others and respect other countries. With mutual respect, we can achieve a golden age, investing in technology instead of war.

Hungary chose to defend its borders in 2015 and deny entry to migrants without permission, which was the only reasonable thing to do. We have a right to protect our country, people, history, and language. Other European countries decided to create post-Christian, post-national societies, mixing different communities, which is risky. Hungary decided against that risk, which is why we're attacked and I'm seen as the European Union's black sheep. Germany made its choice to accept migrants and now faces the consequences. Hungary has the right to make its own choice. Despite past US support, I was labeled a "totalitarian thug" by Joe Biden. This is disrespectful, but we remain respectful of America and seek to clarify misunderstandings. Our economic and defense ties are strong, but political differences with liberal Washington create tension. Our success, rooted in traditional values and national identity, challenges Western liberals who struggle to accept a successful conservative alternative.

Prime Minister Orbán is seen as a controversial figure in the West due to disagreements with figures like George Soros, who believes borders are obstacles and migration is the goal. Orbán's resistance to this view has made him a target for left-wing media. Accusations of centralizing power, being undemocratic, and violating civil rights are addressed with a focus on Hungary as a "conservative island of difference." Orbán's nationalism clashes with international organizations like the EU and ICC, the latter of which Hungary exited due to disagreements over justice. Orbán is fighting postmodern secularism and radical Islamic immigration. On the Ukraine conflict, where Hungary takes a middle position, the question is raised whether it matters if Putin takes Ukraine and what the off-ramp is. Orbán defines Hungarian nationalism and the government's role in promoting Hungarian culture, including pronatalist policies. He emphasizes the importance of Christianity to Hungarian identity and fostering cooperation between government and religion. Regarding the U.S., Orbán has a warm relationship with President Trump and seeks U.S. foreign policy that strengthens allies like Hungary. He navigates a multipolar world with the U.S., China, and Russia, and considers the implications of China's rise. The U.S. president has tried to motivate Europe to move away from China.

The liberal elite in the West used taxpayer money to spread their ideology, funding NGOs and politicians to undermine our sovereignty. One motivation is money, opening gates for business, but leftists also sincerely believe in ideas like open borders. We never tried to educate anyone; we always insisted on making our own decisions about migration. Trump changed the mindset of the West. Previously, migration was good, resisting it was bad. Now, defending your interests is good, and illegal migration is bad. The EU launched wars with potential economic partners like Trump's America, China, and Russia. Central Europe, however, is building good relations and prioritizing connectivity. We must find a way to cooperate, as isolation won't work.

Professor Zhang and the host discuss a era of rapid systemic upheaval in world order, centered on a peaceful yet unprecedented rise of China and the broader shift of power from West to East. They explore how likely it is that such a major redistribution of international power can occur without triggering major wars among great powers. Key points from the exchange: - Mark Carney’s Davos speech is used as a reference point to counter Donald Trump’s claim that Europe and Canada have free‑ridden on American defense. Carney argues the rules‑based order benefited the American empire but that America’s attitude has shifted away from multilateralism; middle powers must build a rules‑based order to survive, potentially aligning with BRICS. He suggests the Shanghai Gold Exchange and a global gold corridor function as a multilateral, reciprocal framework that could underpin a new financial system, with China emphasizing multilateralism, cooperation, and reciprocity. A central tension is that the American empire will not fade quietly, and the National Security Strategy envisions reshaping empire rule: no more liberal order, more national self-interest, vassalization of allies, and continued strategic challenges to China in all theaters, including Africa, Europe, and South America, even if military presence in East Asia declines. - The discussion contrasts the U.S.‑led multilateral consensus (post‑1945) with the current reality: an elite, close-knit club once governed global decisions, but Trump’s outsider status disrupts that club. This disruption incentivizes Western elites to seek China as a new protector, even as systemic fragility remains due to inequality, corruption, and a large disconnect between political leadership and ordinary people. - The speakers analyze Trump’s strategy as aiming to create a “Trump world order” by replacing the global elite with a new one, reshaping NATO leadership, and supporting more amendable European politicians who favor nationalism and tighter immigration controls. They describe Trump’s broader civil‑military plan, including using ICE to pursue a harsh domestic policy, potentially enabling emergency powers, and provoking a European political realignment through backing parties like Poland’s Law and Justice, Hungary’s Fidesz, Austria’s and Spain’s right‑leaning movements. They argue Trump’s Greenland focus is intended to embarrass NATO leaders and redraw European political loyalties, not merely to seize strategic real estate. - The conversation touches a perceived internal Western crisis: elite arrogance, meritocracy’s failure to connect with ordinary people, and the growing alienation and inequality. They argue this has contributed to the rise of Trump, who some see as a messianic figure for restoring Western civilization, while others view him as seeking to destroy the existing order to rule in a new form. - The guests reflect on the 1990s warning by Richard Rorty that globalization and liberalism could spark a political radicalism among previously disaffected groups, leading to the appeal of strongmen. They connect this to the contemporary surge of nationalist and anti‑elite sentiment across the West, and the collapse of faith in liberal institutions. - Asia’s prospects are examined with skepticism about a simple East Asian century. Zhang highlights four structural challenges: (1) demographic decline and very low fertility in East Asia (e.g., South Korea around 0.6, Japan, China) and its implications for a youthful labor force; (2) high savings rates and the risk this poses for domestic demand; (3) dependence on Middle Eastern oil for East Asian economies during potential global conflict; (4) long‑standing tensions among China, Japan, and Korea. He argues these factors complicate a straightforward rise of Asia and suggests Asia’s future is not guaranteed to outpace the West in global leadership. - Zhang emphasizes the need to recalibrate values away from neoliberal consumerism toward meaning, community, and family. He argues that both capitalism and communism neglected spirituality, leading to widespread alienation; he believes a healing approach would prioritize children, family, and social cohesion as essential to human flourishing. - On Iran, Zhang suggests the United States and Israel aim to destroy and fragment Iran to render it more manageable, while Iran exhibits resilience, unity, and a readiness to fight back against continued external pressure. He notes Iranian leadership now prefers resistance after previously negotiating, and he predicts strong Iranian defense and potential escalation if attacked. He also points to an anticipated false‑flag risk and the broader risk environment seeking a new status quo through diplomacy, not just confrontation. - Finally, the host and Zhang discuss the broader risk landscape: as U.S. leadership declines and regional powers maneuver, a multipolar, chaotic strategic environment could emerge with shifting alliances. They argue for a renewed focus on managing competition and seeking a civilized framework for coexistence, though there is skepticism about whether such a framework will emerge given strategic incentives and current political dynamics.

Well, we lost our appeal after Trump. For fifteen years, Hungary stood against liberal headwinds, securing borders, and defending values. We were a hero, an island of difference, but Trump changed everything. Previously, the US and Brussels were crushing us, but now America's off our chest, a real relief. These liberal elites used taxpayer money to spread ideology, funding NGOs and politicians to undermine our sovereignty. The motive? Money and ideology. They believe in open borders and transgenderism, ideas not pushed on non-Western nations. This stems from a leftist community ashamed of Western civilization, aiming to destroy and rebuild it. But we believe in national decisions, not forced migration from Brussels or Washington. Trump shifted the mindset, valuing national interest and traditional values.

It's great to be here. Getting fired from my job at Fox hasn't changed my life that much; my family and dogs are still here. They were nice to me there, letting me say what I wanted, but I probably went too far. I've been fired before, and it's a good thing because it keeps you humble. The US is geographically isolated, and American news consumers aren't that interested in the rest of the world, but I am. The world order is collapsing, and NATO will, too. Hungary is an inspiration to many Americans because it knows who it is, understands its culture, and has decided to preserve it. It is inspiring because it's moderate. Read books. Realize you're being lied to at scale and assess people's honesty by how the mainstream regards them. Don't be so arrogant. Don't be so quick to assume you're right, or that you know everything.

The speaker discusses the challenges of governing Hungary compared to the US, highlighting Hungary's unique history and emphasis on sovereignty. They address criticism from Western elites, emphasizing Hungary's commitment to national sovereignty and social cohesion, particularly in rejecting mass migration. The speaker defends Hungary's decision to maintain its cultural identity and resist external pressures, arguing that it has been crucial for the country's survival and social stability. The conversation concludes by underscoring the importance of social cohesion for a strong nation.

Speaker 0 raises questions about what’s happening culturally in Europe, noting crackdowns on free speech and people looking less like us, and asks whether a massive shift in world alliances is occurring long term. Speaker 1 responds that there is definitely a new world order, with changes in trade, globalization, and the way we invest in our economy versus foreign supply chains. They say the president is willing to shake up old alliance structures, and that NATO is much different now because of the president’s leadership, whereas ten years ago it was effectively a protectorate of the United States of America. They mention Venezuela as an example and state that the president is putting a stamp on world history, but in an America-first way.

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban discusses various topics in an interview. He expresses concern about being labeled a fascist by the Biden administration and the media. Orban criticizes the liberal ideology in Europe and emphasizes the importance of national identity and unity. He believes that Ukraine is not winning the war against Russia and warns of the dangers of escalating the conflict. Orban suggests that peace should be pursued and praises former US President Donald Trump's foreign policy. He also addresses accusations of being a puppet of Putin and highlights Hungary's historical struggles against Russian occupation. Orban concludes by rejecting the use of the justice system against political opponents and emphasizes the need for fair competition and national unity.

Hungary faces opposition from various entities: the Soros Empire, Brussels bureaucrats, and American democrats. They demand things we don't want to give. The US administration wants us to join the war, provide weapons, and give more money to Ukraine. Brussels wants us to accept migrants, build migrant ghettos, allow sexual propaganda in schools, and surrender economic decision-making rights. They also want us to give up unanimous decision-making on foreign policy. If we refuse, they will withhold funds and support our internal enemies. Hungary rejects being part of a right-wing club that only answers to Brussels. We prioritize our independence and sovereignty, as mandated by our constitution.

I met Prime Minister Orban 36 years ago and was immediately impressed by his vision for a new Hungary. Enduring leadership requires foresight and energy. The Ukraine war stems from the US's misguided project to expand NATO eastward, ignoring Russia's concerns. Yesterday was a historic day. Trump and Putin had a call, respecting Russia's concerns, and the new defense secretary admitted Ukraine won't join NATO. This is the basis for peace after 30 years of lies. This administration recognizes a multipolar world, a crucial step towards peace. Europe, invested in the failed US project, is now befuddled. They should have cooperated with Russia, not antagonized it.

There's an old concept: you love your family, then your neighbor, then your community, then fellow citizens in your own country, and after that the rest of the world. A lot of the far left has inverted that, hating the citizens of their own country and caring more about people outside their borders. That is no way to run a society. The profound difference that Donald Trump brings is the simple concept, "America first." It doesn't mean you hate anybody else. It means you have leadership, and president Trump has been clear that this puts the interests of American citizens first. In the same way that the British prime minister should care about Brits and the French should care about the French, we have an American president who cares primarily about Americans, and that's a welcome change. What is president Xi doing? What is with Vladimir Putin He's looking after the Chinese. Putin is looking after the Russians. That they're entitled to do that. Thank god. We now have an American president who's looking after the citizens of his own country.

George Soros is the speaker's opponent, commanding an army of money, NGOs, universities, research institutions, and Brussels bureaucracy. Soros uses this army to impose his will on opponents like Hungarians, believing their values caused 20th-century horrors. The speaker claims the opposite is true: their values prevent repeating history's mistakes. Nazi and communist horrors arose because some Western European states abandoned Christian values, and today's progressives are planning to do the same.

George Soros is my opponent. He has a powerful army at his disposal, including money, NGOs, universities, research institutions, and Brussels' bureaucracy. He uses this army to impose his will on us Hungarians. Soros believes that the values we hold dear led to the horrors of the 20th century, but I disagree. It was the abandonment of Christian values by some Western European states that led to the atrocities of Nazism and communism. Unfortunately, today's progressives are planning to repeat those mistakes.

With Donald Trump leading the United States, we will never see another Afghanistan. We need border, energy, economic, food, defense, and national security, because if you are not secure, you are not free. That's why conservatives are growing and becoming more influential in European politics, making the left nervous. Unlike when Bill Clinton and Tony Blair created a global leftist network, conservatives are now collaborating globally, which some see as a threat. Despite the attacks against us, people vote for us because they are not naive. We defend freedom, love our nations, want secure borders, protect businesses, and defend family and life. We fight against wokeism, protect our faith and free speech, and stand for common sense.

Being the president of the U.S. is easier than running Hungary, a small, landlocked country in Central Europe that has been invaded countless times. Yet, Hungary has maintained its distinct sovereignty, largely due to leaders like Prime Minister Viktor Orban and his political director, Balazs Orban. Hungary wants to remain sovereign, with the right to decide who they ally with and how to govern themselves. The contemporary liberal elites in Washington and Brussels, want a globalized system based on one ideology and are not used to this. We believe the only way to survive is through national conservative ideas based on national sovereignty and mutual trust.

I met Prime Minister Orban 36 years ago and saw in him vision, energy, and foresight. The Ukraine war resulted from the US's idea to expand NATO eastward, ignoring promises made to Russia. Yesterday was historic; Trump and Putin spoke, and the defense secretary admitted Ukraine won't join NATO, forming a basis for peace. For 30 years, America played a "game of risk," seeking world hegemony, but Rubio now acknowledges a multipolar world. Europe is befuddled as the US reverses course. I told European leaders this project wouldn't work; Russia sees it as life or death. ExpressVPN shields your online activity. We need rational conversations in foreign policy, not attacks based on motive. The problem is the arrogance of power.

The Biden administration calls me a fascist, but liberal originally meant freedom. Now in Europe, it means you're an enemy of freedom. We're treated worse than Russia, yet we're a U.S. ally. The point of NATO shouldn't be to provoke war with Russia; it's a bad strategy because we can't beat them. Using the justice system against political opponents like what's happening in the U.S. is unimaginable in Hungary; that's what the communists did. Ukraine isn't winning; it's a lie. They'll run out of soldiers before Russia. The focus in Russia isn't freedom; it's keeping the country together. We can't beat them, and they won't give up. Killing Putin would be a mistake because anarchy in Russia is dangerous. If the U.S. wants peace, it can have it. Trump is the man who can save the West because his foreign policy was the best.

Pattern across European leaders: they’re all labeled as right wing extremists, censored, isolated—a Cordon sanitaire. The discussion cites Romania (election canceled) and Germany (AFD labeled an “extremist organization”). Speaker 1 says: “a great despair of progressive approach and progressive politicians. They have dominated the scene, at least in the last sixty years... They have dissolved the societies. They have instilled sovereignty from the nations.” The dialogue describes a globalist agenda with the UN 2030 Agenda and the Sustainable Development Goals, Brussels, and a replacement of Europe, plus efforts to punish national sovereignty. Trump’s influence is described as transformative: a “revolution of common sense,” with Vox highlighting “Make Spain Big Again.” On immigration, the stance is: “Spain is our property… borders sacred… walls make good neighbors… immigration must be regulated based on national economy,” and “illegal entry must leave.” Nationality should be lost for crimes; language and culture matter. NGOs and funding are criticized; USAID, Soros, Open Arms are cited. Tariffs are viewed as defending the American, not Spanish, interest; Europe should remain Atlantic-aligned and Europe should become Europe again.

It's dangerous when the US administration views you as an enemy. Liberalism once meant freedom, but now it opposes it. We're allies with the US but are treated worse than Russia. NATO's strategy to provoke war with Russia is bad; we can't beat them. Using the justice system against political opponents is a communist tactic, unimaginable in Hungary. Ukraine isn't winning; it's a lie. They'll run out of soldiers before Russia does. The US misunderstands Russia; their priority is keeping the country together, not freedom. Killing Putin could lead to anarchy. Sending Western troops to Ukraine would trigger World War III. The Nord Stream attack showed a lack of sovereignty. Peace is needed immediately; call back Trump, whose foreign policy was the best in decades.