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Speaker 1 claims that no vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, have been properly tested. They assert that no childhood vaccine has undergone a placebo-controlled clinical trial of sufficient duration and power to assess its safety before being injected into millions of children in America. Speaker 1 states this is not just their opinion, but can be verified by anyone who examines the FDA website, specifically the package inserts and underlying clinical trial documents.

The speaker claims that the evidence around vaccines and autism in the U.S. consists of two flawed and fraudulent CDC studies. One study allegedly showed a statistically significant effect of the MMR vaccine, with 67% more boys receiving the vaccine on time being diagnosed with autism compared to those who waited until age three. The speaker says a whistleblower, Dr. William Thompson, came forward with this information in 2013 and 2014. The speaker also alleges that the Verstraten study in 2003 is flawed and fraudulent, accusing them of cherry-picking information from the Vaccine Safety Datalink. The speaker asserts there is a significant gap in the science around vaccines and autism, stating that safety cannot be determined by looking at one vaccine or component in isolation.

Speaker asserts that "the state, however you define that, the military, CDC, Tony Fauci, Ralph Barack at the University of North Carolina created a weaponized virus. Correct? Gain of function research. They contracted it out to China, and it caused a pandemic around the world once it was released. The government created a weaponized virus that then got out and caused a global pandemic." They ask, "When are we gonna have accountability for that?" They seek accountability for "the COVID era," and for "the CDC has known since 1999 that vaccines cause autism, and they've covered it up for twenty six years." They ask, "How do we begin to have accountability?" and conclude, "You want to call it something different? Truth Commissions, criminal trials? You're I would love to comparing"

The speaker discusses the lies surrounding the COVID vaccine, questioning the safety and effectiveness. They mention CDC director Rochelle Walensky's claim that vaccinated individuals can't spread the virus, which turned out to be false. The speaker interviews Steve Kirsch, who highlights the alarming number of adverse events and deaths linked to the vaccine. Kirsch criticizes the lack of transparency from the CDC regarding safety signals. The discussion emphasizes the importance of free speech and the need for honest dialogue about vaccine risks.

Speaker 0 frames the issue as 'the corruption of science' and the 'capture of the agencies' by pharmaceutical industries, stating the goal is to restore integrity and credibility to science. Speaker 1 cites a CDC internal study: 'black boys who got the vaccine on time had a two hundred and sixty percent greater chance of getting an autism diagnosis than children who waited.' He adds that 'The chief chief scientist on that, Doctor. William Thompson, the senior said vaccine safety science at CDC, was ordered to destroy that data. And then they published it without that fact.' Finally, he asserts, 'So, you know that story. And you know of hundreds of stories like that. It happens all the time. We are being lied to by these agencies, and we're gonna change that right now.'

Speaker 1 claims that no vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, have been properly tested. They assert that no childhood vaccine has undergone a placebo-controlled clinical trial of sufficient duration and power to assess its safety before being injected into millions of children in America. Speaker 1 states this is not just their opinion, but can be verified by anyone who examines the FDA website, specifically the package inserts and underlying clinical trial documents.

The discussion centers on the credibility of vaccine safety claims made by various health organizations and the FDA. One speaker argues that vaccines undergo rigorous testing, while the other contends that no vaccine has ever completed a long-term placebo-controlled trial before being licensed. They express distrust in the FDA, citing past issues with drugs like Vioxx and opioids, suggesting that the FDA misled doctors and the public about their safety. The speaker believes that pharmaceutical companies influence these agencies, leading to misinformation about vaccine safety. The goal is to address and rectify this perceived corruption.

The speaker discusses the alarming findings of a study on vaccine injuries, highlighting red flags in the data. They mention white blood clots found in deceased patients and question the safety of COVID vaccines. The speaker emphasizes the importance of fact-checking and following the money in the pharmaceutical industry. They urge viewers to prioritize truth over profit and advocate for open scientific debate.

The speaker claims that no double-blind, placebo-controlled safety trials have been conducted on any childhood vaccines currently on the market. The speaker states that they have searched for such trials and been unable to find any. According to the speaker, Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins allegedly admitted that placebo-controlled safety trials are not performed on childhood vaccines because it would be unethical to test products administered to children. The speaker challenges news agencies to provide evidence of a double-blind, placebo-controlled trial done prior to licensure for any childhood vaccine, asserting that it doesn't exist.

The speaker questions why the press is not covering the fact that a senior scientist at the CDC, Dr. Bill Thompson, has claimed that the CDC lied about their science. They challenge the organizations that claim vaccines are safe to provide scientific evidence to support their claims. The speaker believes that doctors are not scientists and argues that science is based on published research papers. They compare the situation to the Catholic Church's pedophile scandal, where the institution was prioritized over protecting children. The speaker offers $100,000 to anyone who can provide a study supporting the safety of vaccines. They emphasize the importance of skepticism and the need to question those in power.

The speaker criticizes Mr. Kennedy for spreading disinformation about COVID vaccines. They mention an incident where Kennedy used unvetted data from VARs to claim that vaccines were killing people, leading to vaccine hesitancy and unnecessary deaths. The speaker calls this science denial and questions Kennedy's credibility. In response, Kennedy argues that VARs is an unreliable system for reporting vaccine adverse events due to voluntary reporting. He claims that CDC's own studies show that VARs undercounts vaccine injuries by a hundredfold. Kennedy also mentions a Harvard study that developed a more accurate system, but CDC allegedly shut it down and refused to address the issue. Kennedy questions why CDC doesn't have a better system in place.

The speaker claims that the CDC commissioned six epidemiological studies using fraudulent techniques, instead of comparing health outcomes between fully vaccinated and unvaccinated groups. According to the speaker, a 1999 CDC study led by Thomas Verstraten compared children who received the hepatitis vaccine within their first thirty days of life to those vaccinated later or not at all. This study allegedly found a 1,135% elevated risk of autism among vaccinated children. The speaker states that the CDC kept the study secret and manipulated it to bury the link by removing older children and stratifying the data. The speaker asserts that over 100 external studies indicate a link between vaccines and autism.

The speaker challenges someone to debate vaccines, clarifying that they are not anti-vaccine but believe in safety testing. They criticize the lack of accountability for vaccine manufacturers and the exemption from safety testing. They argue that none of the 72 mandated vaccines have been tested against a placebo, making it uncertain if the benefits outweigh the risks. The Institute of Medicine has criticized the CDC for not conducting safety testing. The speaker highlights the increase in chronic diseases like autism and food allergies and questions the source if not vaccines. They conclude by urging people to look at vaccine inserts for information on epidemic diseases in children.

Speaker 0 describes a study on the hepatitis B vaccine, stating it is loaded with mercury during the first thirty days of life and comparing infants who received it in that period to those who did not or who received it later. He claims that the relative risk of smoking a pack a day for twenty years leading to lung cancer is ten, with a figure of 11.35, and attributes this to Thimerosal. Speaker 1 asks if the claim is about Thimerosal, and Speaker 0 confirms, then recounts a story that motivated his involvement: a “secret meeting” held to avoid on-campus exposure to freedom of information requests. The meeting occurred at Simpson Wood, a remote Methodist retreat center on the Chattahoochee River in Norcross, Georgia. Over two days, 52 attendees included major vaccine companies, regulatory agencies (WHO, CDC, FDA, NIH, HHS), and leaders in academic vaccinology. Megan recorded the first day, and Speaker 0 says he obtained the transcripts in 2005, calling them horrific. He invites listeners to read them on the Children’s Health Events site to judge for themselves, arguing the transcripts reveal “panjarums of the American healthcare system” and that regulators claimed the science was bulletproof while suggesting vaccines cause autism. Speaker 1 notes that Speaker 0 has previously claimed the conference revealed that vaccines cause autism and that data should be buried, referencing a January 2011 Rolling Stone article and a Salon piece that later withdrew the article. He mentions an eighteen-month US Senate committee investigation that found allegations of CDC misconduct unsubstantiated and concluded there was no cover-up. Speaker 0 clarifies it was a two-year committee hearing led by Senator Burton at the Governmental Oversight Committee, and asserts that vaccines do cause autism, while encouraging listeners to research the science themselves rather than trust him or the organizations cited. Speaker 0 then attacks the credibility and funding of CDC, NIH, and the American Academy of Pediatrics, claiming they are “bought and paid for,” with statistics he cites: FDA is funded 45% by the pharmaceutical industry; the AAP allegedly gets 80% of its money from industry; and the CDC spends 4,900,000,000 of its 12,000,000,000 annual budget. Speaker 1 pushes back by noting that parents within these organizations vaccinate their own children against vaccines that include thimerosal, asking rhetorically whether they are willingly harming their children, and suggesting a broader government conspiracy. Speaker 0 then directs Speaker 1 to the movie Dopesick for further context, contrasting it with opioid prescriptions, and asserts that doctors treated patients and their own children with opioids because they believed FDA guidance. Overall, the dialogue centers on thimerosal in early vaccines, alleged hidden meetings and data suppression, controversial media coverage of vaccines-autism links, and critical claims about regulatory agency funding and conduct, culminating in comparisons to pharmaceutical and medical industry dynamics.

Autism is caused by vaccines, according to the speaker. The CDC's VirTrak study from 1989 showed a 1350% elevated risk for autism among children who received the hepatitis B vaccine in their first 30 days. A series of 13 studies were allegedly done by people paid by the CDC to create the illusion that vaccines don't cause autism. The chief scientist, Paul Thornsen, is a fugitive wanted by Interpol for stealing millions from the CDC that he claimed to use for the study. His study is considered fraudulent but has not been retracted. The speaker claims there are hundreds of studies linking autism and neurological injuries to vaccines, citing a book with 1,400 references and over 400 studies. The speaker believes the CDC is a dishonest organization owned by the pharmaceutical industry and promotes propaganda that vaccines don't cause autism.

The speaker states that vaccine policy will change due to better information. They claim that none of the vaccines given in the first six months of life have been tested, except for the DTP vaccine, which a study linked to issues, but was dismissed due to problems with the CDC's surveillance system. The speaker asserts the CDC lacks a functional surveillance system to capture vaccine injuries, with their own study showing it captures less than 1% of injuries. They plan to fix this by implementing a functional surveillance system, using data management, and providing answers to the public. The speaker promises to follow the science, use gold standard science, publish all datasets, replicate studies, and publish peer reviews, which they claim the CDC has never done, to provide real answers.

"Roll back in the time machine to August 2014, that is when Bill Thompson made the admission that the CDC had lied and hid the fact that the MMR vaccine was associated with autism." "Doctor Thompson freely admitted that he had covered it up and his associates at the CDC also covered it up." "Thimerosal causes autism like features and that's the way I would say it." "I'm completely ashamed of what I did." "Colleen is the center director. Frank is the director of immunization safety, and Marshall is the branch chief." "Doctor Julie Gerberding was head of the CDC at the time. Coincidentally, she went on to a lucrative career at Merck, the manufacturer of the MMR vaccine." "I'm like, oh my god. I cannot believe we did what we did. But we did."

The speaker claims the Biden administration covered up science related to the COVID shot. Information related to vaccine complications was allegedly censored as COVID vaccine hesitant content. The speaker alleges the heart inflammation in young, healthy men and boys was not disclosed as soon as it should have been, resulting in thousands of kids developing myocarditis unnecessarily. The speaker suggests the administration knew the shot didn't stop transmission but kept it secret. The head of the FDA is cited as saying the Biden administration suppressed information about myocarditis damage to children. The speaker believes this sounds criminal, especially considering mandates for school, work, and travel.

The speaker questions the safety and effectiveness of vaccines, particularly in relation to autism. They criticize the lack of long-term, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies on vaccines and highlight the conflict of interest between vaccine manufacturers and regulatory bodies. The speaker also discusses the high number of lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies and the exorbitant markups on popular drugs. They argue that the current scientific evidence does not support the trust placed in vaccines and advocate for freedom of choice in healthcare decisions. The speaker claims to have a comprehensive review of the safety and efficacy of flu vaccines and mentions dissenting opinions on the connection between vaccines and autism.

the corruption of science, which I believe you just said. That is almost your number one goal. Right? Is try to bring integrity and credibility back to science, which has been corrupted by the people who pay for it, by federal health agencies being captured by pharmaceutical industries, by big pharma, by big food. In 02/2002, CDC did an internal study of Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia children looked at children who got the MLR vaccine on time and compared those to kids who got them later. The data from that study showed that black boys who got the vaccine on time had a two sixty percent greater chance of getting an autism diagnosis than children who waited. The chief scientist on that, Doctor. William Thompson, the senior vaccine safety science at CDC, was ordered to come into a room with four other co authors by his boss, Frank DeStefano, who’s the head of the immunization safety press, ordered to destroy that data. And then they published it without that fact. It happens all the time. We are being lied to by these agencies. And we're going to change that right now.

There is a discussion about how public trust in vaccination has changed since the pandemic. The speaker notes that years ago there were “five people in the world who were prepared to talk about the thorny issue of vaccination.” Post COVID, however, “half the adult population of the world are now saying, hold on, we don't trust you. You lied to us. It's not what you told us, safe and effective.” This skepticism extends to vaccines given to children, with the question, “Does this apply to all the other vaccines you're putting into my kids?” The speaker then asserts that “safety studies haven't been done,” suggesting that important research behind vaccines is incomplete or lacking. This leads to the claim that “they've created this mess for themselves.” Despite the frustration, the speaker emphasizes the moral weight of deception, stating, “it's really tough to lie. I mean, lying gets you into real trouble.”

If regulatory agencies continue to rush products to market without long-term safety trials, the planet is in danger. The speaker questions what would happen if a vaccine wipes out fertility. They state that no childhood vaccines on the schedule have gone through randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trials. The speaker finds it alarming that Dr. Martin Macri's statement that no future vaccine will be licensed without a proper randomized controlled placebo trial is shocking to some. They accuse mainstream media of spreading misinformation by denying the absence of placebo trials, then admitting it to avoid delaying vaccine advancement. The speaker asserts the pharmaceutical industry has lied about drugs like Fenben and Vioxx and is now making vaccines. They call for accountability from the industry and the media, warning of grave danger if this does not happen. They disapprove of five-day safety trials with no placebo, especially for products given to healthy children.

Speaker 1 states that no vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, have been properly tested. They claim that no childhood vaccine has undergone a placebo-controlled clinical trial of sufficient duration and power to assess its safety before being injected into millions of children in America. Speaker 1 asserts this is not an opinion, but can be verified by anyone reviewing package inserts and clinical trial documents on the FDA website.

The speaker is questioned about his stance on childhood vaccines, with many scientific and medical organizations disagreeing with him. The audience asks how they can help him align with science. The speaker clarifies that he is not anti-vaccine, but believes vaccines should undergo safety testing like other medicines. He criticizes the lack of prelicensing placebo-controlled trials for vaccines and cites examples of potential risks and lack of long-term studies. The other speaker argues that there is evidence of vaccines preventing diseases and highlights the importance of distinguishing between association and causation. The speaker emphasizes the need for good science and questions the trustworthiness of pharmaceutical companies. The conversation ends with a discussion about the speaker's family not supporting his views on vaccines.

The speaker believes COVID vaccine programs should be stopped. They are astounded by the number of papers critical of the vaccine or showing negative effects. The speaker claims a group of researchers funded by Pfizer and the NIH bullies editors to retract papers with negative findings about the vaccine. They assert the number of retractions is appalling. According to the speaker, in one instance where an editor resisted, Nature Springer bought the journal and retracted the paper. The speaker states that this is what they have been dealing with.