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Hatfield pointed out that below the furin cleavage site, there is a super antigen domain that appears to be engineered. It resembles one of the binary agents developed in the past, known for stopping the Soviet Union. This super antigen could cause tank commanders to die before reaching their target. Steven believes that this engineered super antigen is present in the current situation as well.

In Ukraine, there were military biological programs experimenting with deadly pathogens like coronavirus, anthrax, cholera, and African pig plague. They are now trying to hide the evidence, but we believe they were creating components for a biological weapon. This poses a direct threat to Russia's safety. Ukraine and their US supporters rejected these claims, but their actions were bold and brazen.

We used to have a sophisticated biological weapons program from World War 2 to the sixties, which ended in 1969. Many records of the program were destroyed, but some are resurfacing. Our offensive weapons program was massive and advanced, but not well-known by most people.

Today, almost any country can create a powerful biological weapon in a couple of months using current technology.

The discussion centers on gain-of-function (GoF) research, its regulation, and the motivations behind it. The first speaker notes the administration’s goal to end GoF research and asks where that stands. The second speaker says progress has been made, and the White House is working on a formal policy. He then defines the issue in stages: what GoF research is, why someone would do it, and how to regulate it to prevent dangerous projects that could catastrophically harm human populations. He clarifies that GoF research is not inherently bad, but dangerous GoF research is. He gives an insulin example: creating bacteria to produce insulin is a legitimate GoF that benefits diabetics. In contrast, taking a virus from bat caves, bringing it to a lab in a densely populated city with weak biosafety, and manipulating it to be more transmissible among humans is a dangerous GoF that should not be supported. The administration’s policy aims to prevent such dangerous work entirely, and the President signed an executive order in April or May endorsing this policy. Next, he discusses implementation: how to create incentives to ensure this research does not recur. He explains that the utopian idea behind such research was to prevent all pandemics by collecting viruses from wild places, testing their potential to infect humans by increasing their pathogenicity, and then preparing countermeasures in advance (vaccines, antivirals) and stockpiling them, even though those countermeasures would not have been tested against humans yet. If a virus did leap to humans, the foreseen countermeasures might prove ineffective because evolution is unpredictable. This “triage” approach—identifying pathogens most likely to leap and preemptively preparing against them—was the rationale for dangerous GoF work, a rationale he characterizes as flawed. He notes that many scientists considered this an effort to do bioweapons research under the guise of safety and defense. The work is dual-use. The U.S. is a signatory to the Biological Weapons Convention and does not conduct offensive bio-weapons research, but other countries might. The discussion highlights that the GoF research discussed during the pandemic can backfire and may not align with true biodefense, since countermeasures might not match whatever pathogen actually emerges. The speaker concludes that this agenda—pursuing GoF to prevent pandemics—has drawn substantial support from parts of the Western world and other countries for about two and a half decades, but he implies it is not deserving of continuation.

The perception, not reality, leads to the killing of bio-threat defense projects. 50% of allies believe the US has an offensive bioweapons program, which is false. Since Nixon, there has been no such program. Developing countermeasures against bio-threats can be mistaken for an offensive program, causing public and political concerns. The information will be published in Science and Nature soon.

President Richard Nixon announced in 1969 that the United States would renounce the use of deadly biological weapons, but few Americans knew that the country had been operating a secret bioweapons program for over 25 years. Born out of fear during World War II, the program conducted extensive research and experiments, even using human subjects. The British and Japanese also had their own bioweapons programs, with the Japanese conducting horrific experiments on thousands of people. The US program, fueled by the Cold War, conducted tests on American cities and human subjects, proving the feasibility of biological warfare. However, concerns over the uncontrollable nature of these weapons and the mounting political pressure led to the program's eventual end in 1969.

I used to work for the FBI's foreign counterintelligence unit and did surveillance on various intelligence groups. One interesting topic is the Wuhan virus, which I believe is a bioweapon developed by the Chinese military. Many countries, including the US and Russia, have bioweapons. The FBI confirmed it was a bioweapon within 48 hours and traced its origin using specialized equipment. China's goal is not to destroy the US but to colonize it gradually, starting with media and schools. They have been spying since the 1970s, attending trade and science shows, and now they are deeply involved in universities, gathering data for new weapons.

Over a year ago, we knew about the biolabs, their experiments, and related documents. It started in 2005 with the Defense Intelligence Agency, which created the Global Viral Forecasting Institute with Nathaniel Wolf, later Meta Biota. Rosemont Fonseca, an investment firm headed by Hunter Biden, Christopher Hines, and Paul Pelosi Jr., funded Meta Biota. This is a corrupt operation developed over the last decade to generate biological warfare against the Russians. They've been collecting DNA from Slavic people. General Igor Krylyov exposed this as a war crime because it violates the biological weapons agreement. America's 30 biolabs in Ukraine experimented on animal-to-human transmission, which is the origin of COVID-19. The research conducted in Ukraine will be directly connected to COVID-19. The United States created and opened this Pandora's box.

Four days ago, I wouldn't have believed the Biden administration was funding secret biolabs in Ukraine, but Under Secretary of State Nuland confirmed their existence during a Senate hearing. Despite fact-checks dismissing it as Russian disinformation, these labs are real, and Nuland expressed concern about their contents falling into Russian hands. The Russian Defense Ministry claimed the labs were developing military biological programs with US funding, possibly involving deadly pathogens like plague and anthrax. The US embassy in Ukraine has a web page explaining that American and Ukrainian scientists have worked on a whole bunch of different experiments like this. The US government is downplaying the situation, with the Pentagon calling Russian accusations "absurd."

You don't need a secret lab or a massive complex to create bioweapons. Unlike nuclear weapons, biological weapons can be developed discreetly, blending in with legitimate activities like vaccine production. This dual-use nature makes it difficult to detect a biological weapons program.

We need to discuss bioweapons. I've spent over two years researching them for a book and the technology to develop these microbes is rapidly advancing. Hundreds of millions have been invested in ethnically targeted microbes, and China is doing the same. There's an argument that COVID-19 was ethnically targeted, disproportionately impacting certain races. The genetic structure of ACE2 receptors varies among races, making some more immune than others. COVID-19 seems to target Caucasians and Black people, while Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese individuals appear more immune. Whether this was deliberate is unknown, but research shows the racial and ethnic impact differential. China and the U.S. are developing ethnic bioweapons, which explains those labs in Ukraine that collect Russian and Chinese DNA for targeting purposes.

We attempted to verify the Soviet Union's biological weapons program, achieving some success as they dismantled facilities and allowed inspections. However, American scientists on these missions felt that Soviet scientists were not entirely transparent. Some parts of the former Soviet bioweapons complex remain unexplored by Westerners, suggesting ongoing military biological weapons research.

It is possible to engineer pathogens to be more dangerous for covert purposes, making it difficult to trace their origin. This could be done to achieve specific goals, although the usefulness to an adversary is unclear.

To create a defensive program against bioterrorism, the speaker consulted with unconventional sources. These included former U.S. bioweapons experts from decades ago, international figures from countries like the U.K., and defectors from the Soviet Union. The speaker learned from these experts to inform the development of a multi-billion dollar program.

The military industrial complex often evokes images of soldiers in combat, but it encompasses much more. In light of recent global events, previously taboo topics, including government secrecy around bio labs, have gained attention. One notable example is Project 112, authorized in 1962 under Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara. This project involved extensive testing of biological and chemical agents, including VX nerve gas, Sarin, and E. Coli, across various locations. The aim was to explore controlled temporary incapacitation as a military strategy. The government denied Project 112's existence until 2000, raising concerns about the safety of military personnel involved, many of whom were unaware of the risks. The project reflects a troubling reality where governments that condemn bioweapons may simultaneously engage in their development, leaving the public unaware of the potential dangers lurking in their midst.

To produce super viruses and super bacteria for large-scale use, the first challenge is to address the issue of genetic modification. The fear lies in the fact that this technology could fall into the hands of extremist terrorist groups who may not care about the consequences as long as it causes harm and instills fear in humanity.

Speaker 0 argues that parasites have become a problem because they have been weaponized. They reference a Nobel Prize-winning finding showing that a certain parasite could produce stomach cancer in rats, and that a different parasite produced this effect in Japan. They note these results only worked in animals that ate a high-sugar diet or were vaccinated, not in healthy animals. They then connect this to twentieth-century American policy: vaccination began with troops during World War I and continued in the military, then expanded to schoolchildren after World War II. The speaker predicts that vaccines at school would eventually affect broader segments of the population, not just children, and claims that vaccines have the effect of making people more susceptible to parasites, including those that cause cancer, not just toxoplasmosis. Regarding diet, the speaker mentions the food pyramid of the twentieth century, pointing out that the bottom consisted of carbohydrates, implying a link to susceptibility. The speaker then discusses bioweapons policy: in 1971, Nixon declared an end to the United States bioweapons offensive program and signed a treaty (they mention a 1978 figure, implying a multinational agreement). They claim that, despite this treaty, the Soviet Union and others violated it, and that perhaps everyone violated it. They assert that, at the same time the treaty was signed, Fort Detrick was converted from a bioweapons lab to be part of the National Cancer Institute. They compare this to Nazi Germany, stating that they hid bioweapons under cancer research, and claim that the United States did something similar. The transcription ends with emphatic agreement.

The Defense Ministry has validated initial allegations with undeniable proof. Over 2,000 documents were analyzed during a Special Military Operation, confirming military biological projects in Ukraine. Officials involved in organizing military biological research in the United States and Ukraine were identified.

There are US biolabs in Ukraine that are developing bio weapons using synthetic biology, CRISPR technology, and genetic engineering. The Pentagon transferred the authority for biosecurity to the National Institute for Infectious and Allergic Disease, run by Anthony Fauci, who received a 68% raise from the Pentagon for bioweapons development. Every bioweapon needs a vaccine, so they are developed side by side through gain of function science. In 2014, three dangerous microbes escaped from different labs in the US. President Obama signed a moratorium to shut down Anthony Fauci's experiments, but he shifted operations offshore, including to the Wuhan lab in China and Ukraine. Funding for these labs comes from various government agencies, with USAID being the largest funder.

The discussion centers on long-simmering claims about CIA programs from the mid-20th century and how those programs may have evolved into present-day operations, with a focus on secrecy, biowarfare, mind-control concepts, and weather- or environment-related tech. The participants reference recently republished unclassified CIA documents on Project Artichoke, described as a Cold War-era mind-control operation that involved injecting and using various drugs to control individuals. They connect Artichoke and MKUltra to a broader history of behavioral science programs, suggesting that the CIA has pursued mind-control and related technologies since its inception in 1947-1948, often under plausible deniability and without public accountability. The conversation broadens to contemporary concerns, notably CIA-linked biolabs in Ukraine. The speakers note that, during the Ukraine conflict, there were “CIA collaborative bioweapons labs scattered across Ukraine,” and that Victoria Nuland testified before Congress about such labs, implying that their existence is not new but ongoing. They recount an NBC News on-camera moment in Kyiv that was later understood to involve burning documents at a lab, rather than a Russian attack, as evidence of covert activity. The implication is that clandestine programs persist and have become more sophisticated than the original Artichoke/MKUltra programs. Dr. Merrill Nass describes the historical development of these programs, linking them to the post-World War II Paperclip era and the involvement of German scientists who worked on chemical warfare and mind control. He references attempts to create Manchurian candidates, multiple personality experimental concepts, and drug testing in various settings, including “safe houses” for blackmail and testing under extreme conditions. Nass also discusses Project SHAD (shipboard exposure of naval personnel to biological and chemical agents) and Operation White Coat (the Vietnam-era program using Seventh-day Adventists as human guinea pigs for chemical and biological testing). He notes the ethical and legal questions surrounding these programs, including cases where vaccines or illnesses were used in non-soldier populations and the long-term health effects. Kevin Ship, a CIA whistleblower who spent 17 years at the agency, emphasizes that the CIA has not changed its core goals or organizational behavior. He argues the CIA remains a “global juggernaut” with “billions of dollars” in off-the-books programs, continuing mind-control and behavioral science efforts, now employing more advanced technologies such as directed energy weapons and potentially telecommunication-like mechanisms (including insinuations about nanotech-based or electromagnetic methods). He maintains that the agency’s secrecy is so profound that it can operate independently of Congressional oversight or presidential intercession, with “upper level compartments” or an supra group within the CIA that conducts programs unknown to the President or Congress. The speakers discuss the possibility of modern-day applications, including “graphene oxide” or nanotech-based methods that could enable clandestine communication or “telepathy” for intelligence purposes, and weather-modification or geoengineering as a tool of strategic influence. They reference public figures such as John Brennan discussing strategic aerosol injection and geoengineering, which they present as evidence of the CIA’s ongoing interest in manipulating the environment for national security and warfare aims. The broader theme is that clandestine, off-the-books programs persist, adapt, and may operate under layers of compartmentalization that obscure their existence from public scrutiny. Towards the end, Nass highlights broader existential concerns beyond bioweapons, such as ecological disruptions, pollinator declines, insect and bird losses, and potential impacts on food security. He connects these concerns to possible geoengineering and electromagnetic field applications, suggesting that the combination of environmental manipulation and surveillance technologies could have far-reaching, harmful consequences for society. The conversation closes with references to the authors’ and speakers’ work: Nass’s Substack, Doortofreedom.org, and sofaf.org; Ship’s Twilight of the Shadow Government and his X (formerly Twitter) presence for ongoing updates.

The Chinese and us are both developing ethnic bioweapons, with labs in Ukraine collecting Russian and Chinese DNA to target people by race.

China has obtained the genomic sequence of every person in the US who has undergone gene typing. They are using this information to develop bioweapons that specifically target Caucasians. Chinese companies, such as BGI, dominate the genomic sequencing industry in the US. There is evidence suggesting that the COVID-19 virus originated from a lab in Wuhan, China, and was created through gene splicing and gain of function research. China has publicly discussed their interest in using advanced pathogenetic capabilities for warfare. The export of American genetic information to China is a significant concern, as it could be used to develop genetic weapons that target specific populations based on their genetic variations.

Weapon states and nation states can create biological weapons, and even small groups or individuals may have the ability to do so. The necessary technology is widely available to the public.

Speaker 1 states that documents were signed to end federal funding and private corporation control of gain of function studies, which he claims the US military and intelligence agencies began in 1947. He says that by 1969, the CIA claimed they could kill the entire US population for 29¢ a person. According to Speaker 1, President Nixon ended this research and persuaded over 80 countries to sign the bioweapons charter in 1973, but US federal officials who violate it cannot be prosecuted. Speaker 1 claims that gain of function research relaunched a bioweapons arms race and that in 2014, three bugs escaped from US labs, leading President Obama to declare a moratorium that moved research offshore to the Wuhan Lab. He asserts that China, Russia, Iran, and other countries are developing devastating weapons using AI and CRISPR technologies. He says that gain-of-function research has never produced anything good, and commends President Trump for ending US bioweapons research.