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Speaker 0 describes a dynamic of collaboration and tension around Iran, noting that the Israelis are “very American” and that they could have shouting matches in meetings over whose idea is best, but then go have lunch and remain amicable. He emphasizes that Israelis are good allies that the U.S. needs to protect, and asserts that CIA and Al Qaeda “worked closely together in Iraq. And Syria.” Speaker 1 adds that in Syria the aim was to overthrow Assad. Speaker 0 explains that there were times when covert action findings allowed meetings to talk to the “quote, unquote, enemies” to try to bring things down, as CIA officers. Speaker 1 observes that most of the world has a problem with Al Qaeda and ISIS (Daesh), but implies the CIA’s cooperation with ISIS and Al Qaeda lowers that problem. Speaker 0 argues that if the plan is for the U.S. to work with them, to work on a security agreement, which has been done with enemies before, the U.S. would have played that role side by side with diplomats and other involved countries, and he wouldn’t be surprised if that were happening; he calls it possibly hopeful. Speaker 1 notes that newspapers in the United States once celebrated Qasem Soleimani as a fighter with American troops against ISIS and Al Qaeda, and now that stance has changed. The speaker concludes with the reversal of priorities: “Now we have to go to Als ISIS and Al Qaeda to go back against Iran.”

Dr. Mads Gilbert, a volunteer at Al Shefa Hospital, reports on the dire situation in Gaza. Israeli attacks have crippled medical services, with hospitals like Shefa and Nasser Medical Complex out of function. The Israel Defense Force claims to target terrorists but has a history of attacking civilian healthcare. Dr. Gilbert emphasizes the importance of protecting healthcare as a basic human right. Concerns are raised about the lack of international response to Israeli actions.

Israel has been treating wounded Syrian rebel fighters, including those from the Al Qaeda proxy Nusrah front. The speaker believes in dealing with enemies humanely, regardless of political considerations. Taking in wounded fighters is seen as a humanitarian act, not just a political or tactical move.

Wanna get on to Ukraine. But, given that Israel is signaling it doesn't like the, Al Qaeda operative, Jelani in Damascus, and we know Tulsi Gabbard is something of an expert on Syria because she exposed the lies and the, phony war in Syria when The United States was supporting the ISIS and Al Qaeda rebels there. How do you and Trump has been very brave arguably saying, he's not gonna, start sending loads of money like Britain is to Tchelani. There's still thousands of American troops, though, in Syria. What is American Syrian policy Syria policy? America's policy towards Syria is basically Israel's policy. And what The United States was bent on doing was wrecking Syria and keeping it wrecked. That's the Israeli objective here. This is what the Israelis wanna do with Iran. They don't simply wanna do away with Iran's nuclear capability. They surely do wanna do that, but they wanna wreck Iran. They wanna turn Iran into Syria. And what the Israelis are doing in Syria is going to great lengths to make sure that Syria remains, a dysfunctional state. They don't want Syria to become, a formidable adversary. They want it to remain broken. And, of course, The United States will support the Israelis in that regard. So, of course, the Israelis are not gonna allow the Americans to give huge amounts of aid to Jalani so that he can produce a viable Syrian state because that's not Israeli policy. Just look at what they're doing in Iran. I mean, excuse me, what they're doing in Lebanon. It's a similar situation.

Reports indicate that Israel has been treating wounded Syrian rebel fighters, including those from the Nusrah Front, an Al Qaeda affiliate. While this raises concerns, the primary motivation for treatment is humanitarian. Tactical considerations exist, but the immediate focus is on humane treatment. There is skepticism about potential blowback from aiding Nusrah fighters, as the dynamics in Syria differ from other conflicts. However, when it comes to Hezbollah, the situation is different due to their history of actions against Israel, which makes treating them unacceptable. In summary, Israel is willing to treat Al Qaeda fighters but not Hezbollah fighters due to their distinct relationships and past actions.

Speaker 0 asserts that Bezalel Smotrich and Ben Gavir are “literally talking about exterminating the entire population of Gaza.” Speaker 1 counters that they are not talking about extermination. Speaker 0 insists the statements are brazen, up front, and what they actually want to do. Speaker 0 adds that Hamas is involved in a separate context. Speaker 0 says, “The West Bank had nothing to do with what happened on October 7, but they're annexing that land anyway. They're raining terror on innocent people, innocent Palestinians.” Speaker 0 concedes, “I am willing to admit, because it's the truth, that what Hamas did on October 7 was a fucking atrocity,” specifically mentioning killing innocent people. Speaker 1 challenges acknowledgement of atrocities against civilians in Gaza. Speaker 0 asks about a hospital being tapped; Speaker 1 responds that it’s an old terrorist trick and they do it “all the time.” Speaker 0 asks whether the IDF's action was wrong. Speaker 1 concedes, “I'm sure they have committed what we would call war crimes, as every army does in every war.” Speaker 0 notes, “Including our own.” Speaker 1 agrees, giving the Civil War example: Sherman burned Atlanta and Vad, arguing that despite brutality, the North were the good guys fighting slavery, and also noting Israel is fighting to survive and is the front line in the Western world. Speaker 0 disputes this, saying much of the problems in the Middle East come from an expansionist policy and that if Israel wasn’t trying to continue expanding, they would not be dealing with the enemies they’re dealing with. Speaker 1 disagrees that they ever were expanding, arguing they “were attacked” and that they “never been trying to expand.” Speaker 0 claims Israel is trying to annex the West Bank, southern Lebanon, and Syria, and argues they have succeeded in doing so. Speaker 1 says these are lands where they were attacked from when Israel became a country in 1947; he claims Israel said, “we will accept half a loaf,” and asserts they had as much right to that land as anybody, with a historical presence since a thousand BC when King David had a lineage. Speaker 0 dismisses this lineage-based argument as irrelevant to the present. Speaker 1 counters that it’s relevant, and asserts that the notion of wiping out innocent people merely because one’s ancestors lived there centuries ago is not acceptable. The conversation ends with Speaker 0 calling Palestinians colonizers, and Speaker 1 arguing they are not colonizers; they assert that Israel is annexing land, which, in their view, is described as colonization.

Images of babies lacking fuel and resources in Shifa hospital have gained global attention. The interviewer questions whether Israel will consider the humanitarian crisis in the Palestinian enclave. The Israeli army representative defends their actions, stating they are a democratic state defending against fascism and Islamist terrorism. They argue that their operations are not bound by international law. When asked about using hospitals as military bases, the representative deflects, accusing the interviewer of having a political bias. The conversation becomes heated, with both parties accusing each other. The interview ends abruptly.

The speaker was asked about the IDF's use of AI, specifically Lavender, to identify Hamas targets. The speaker stated they are not on top of all the details of what's going on in Israel and their bias is to defer to Israel. They believe it's not for others to second guess everything and that broadly the IDF gets to decide what it wants to do and that they're broadly in the right. That is the perspective they come back to.

There have been reports that Israel has been treating wounded Syrian rebel fighters in its hospitals on the border, including fighters from Nusra front, which is, of course, the Al Qaeda proxy in Syria. Do those reports worry you that Israel's helping wounded Al Qaeda aligned fighters? Speaker 1: "As I said before, in a different context, it's always useful also to deal with your enemies in a humane way." "the main consideration, the immediate consideration is humane." "I didn't say there's no tactical, I said the main consideration, the immediate consideration is humane." Speaker 0: "So purely humanitarian you say, so there's no tactical or political strategic" Speaker 1: "No. I don't think so. I don't think there's going to be blowback." "the rules of the game in Syria are such that you can do anything that is not able is not possible to be done anywhere else." Speaker 0: "Would you also treat Hezbollah fighters? No." Speaker 1: "I would not treat Have" "A We different account with Hezbollah, a totally different account because Hezbollah has carried out the type of, actions against us which preclude us from going into what the Al Qaeda has done." "Al Qaeda, to the best of my recollection, has up to now not attacked Israel." Speaker 0: "But has attacked your number one ally and sponsor in The United States Of America."

Dr. Ghassan Abusita, a plastic and reconstructive surgeon, was called to Al Ali Hospital to help treat the overwhelming number of wounded patients. While operating, a missile struck, causing part of the ceiling to collapse. Outside, he witnessed children's bodies and injured individuals, some with amputations. Dr. Abusita assisted in carrying a wounded person to an ambulance, surrounded by body parts and piles of bodies. He returned to Shifa Hospital, where families had sought refuge, only to find them dead or critically wounded. Israel's warning of attacking Palestinian hospitals has become a reality, and those who unconditionally support Israel's actions bear responsibility for this war crime. If Israel faces no consequences, more war crimes will occur, and hospitals will continue to be targeted.

Images of babies lacking fuel and resources in a hospital in Shifah are circulating worldwide. The journalist asks if the Israeli soldiers will consider the humanitarian crisis in the Palestinian enclave. The Israeli soldier responds by stating that they are a democratic army defending Israel and all its citizens, regardless of their religion. They argue that the Hamas has also killed Muslims and that their operation is not bound by international law. The journalist questions whether entering a hospital aligns with international humanitarian rules, to which the soldier responds that hospitals should not be used as military bases. The journalist accuses the soldier of behaving like the Hamas, and the soldier requests respect. The conversation ends abruptly.

Israeli forces have repeatedly attacked our convoys, hospitals, and staff shelters, causing fear and suffering in Gaza. The health system we've supported for decades is being systematically destroyed, with patients and colleagues killed or injured. This is part of Israel's war on the entire population of Gaza, with no regard for humanitarian principles. The laws meant to protect humanitarian assistance are now meaningless.

Israel has been reportedly treating wounded Syrian rebel fighters, including those from the Al Qaeda proxy Nusra Front, in its hospitals. When asked if these reports were worrying, Speaker 1 responded that it is useful to deal with enemies in a humane way. While the immediate consideration is humane, Speaker 1 did not say there were no tactical considerations. Speaker 1 does not believe there will be blowback against Israel for treating Nusra Front fighters because the rules of the game in Syria allow things not possible elsewhere. Speaker 1 would not treat Hezbollah fighters because Hezbollah has carried out actions against Israel that Al Qaeda has not. Al Qaeda, to the best of Speaker 1's recollection, has not attacked Israel.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss a sequence of war-related scenarios, making provocative comparisons and extreme claims about Israel, Hamas, and broader conflicts. Speaker 0 asserts that if Mexico occupied their land and then decided to cut off electricity and control inputs, it would be akin to Israel’s actions against Palestinians; he imagines a scenario where an occupying force could slaughter people for allegedly throwing rocks. Speaker 1 counters by noting Israel has nuclear weapons and that the world’s military power backs Israel. Speaker 0 asserts that Israel has nuclear weapons and that they do not use them, while Speaker 1 suggests Hamas would use a nuclear weapon in seconds if they had one, stating three seconds as the answer because it’s in Hamas’s charter. Speaker 0 asks how anyone could know that, and Speaker 1 cites the charter as justification. Speaker 0 argues that Hamas would be martyrs if they used a nuclear weapon against Israel, describing Hamas as having a death-cult view and noting that they strap suicide vests sometimes on children. He says people cannot see the moral difference between Hamas and Israel. Speaker 1 pushes back, saying they are not talking about extermination and notes that Basilel Smotrich and Ben Gavir have talked about exterminating the entire population of Gaza, while Speaker 0 claims the West Bank is another example and states that despite the West Bank having nothing to do with October 7, it is being annexed and that terror is being rained on innocent Palestinians, driving them from their homes. Speaker 0 acknowledges that what Hamas did on October 7 was a “fucking atrocity,” killing innocent people. He says he is willing to admit that atrocity, but he emphasizes his belief that the atrocities against civilians in Gaza are also significant. Speaker 1 concedes that the IDF and all armies commit war crimes in war and that “all wars are going to have atrocity.” Speaker 0 asks for acknowledgment of a double tap on a hospital; Speaker 1 describes the hospital incident as an old terrorist trick and confirms that such acts occur in war, but he emphasizes that all wars involve atrocities. The exchange references first responders and a vague memory of the event, with Speaker 0 asserting that first responders’ deaths and hospital strikes are part of the ongoing discussion, while Speaker 1 frames them within the broader context of war crimes by all sides. Overall, the dialogue juxtaposes occupation, nuclear deterrence, and moral atrocity claims on both sides, with explicit references to statements by Israeli political figures, Hamas, and the general conduct of war by all parties.

The speaker addresses the use of artificial intelligence or Lavender by the IDF in identifying Hamas targets. They state they are not on top of all the details of what’s happening in Israel and that their bias is to defer to Israel. They say it’s not for us to second guess everything. They conclude that broadly the IDF gets to decide what it wants to do and that they’re broadly in the right.

Hospitals have become part of the war in Gaza as Hamas uses them as a cover to conduct terrorism. They deliberately embed themselves in civilian places like schools, kindergartens, and hospitals, using the sick and vulnerable as human shields. Recently, in the Avantisi hospital, a Hamas company commander held 1,000 patients, medical staff, and innocent people hostage while conducting terrorism. This tactic has been used by Hamas for years, exploiting the resources and the most vulnerable individuals.

Israeli doctors supported IDF bombing hospitals in Gaza, sparking outrage. Speaker condemns politicizing healthcare, emphasizing the need for moral consistency in treating all patients. Criticizes lack of support from medical associations and highlights underreported casualties in Gaza conflict. Calls for accountability and justice for victims.

In October 2023, Hamas terrorists invaded Israel and abducted over 200 innocent people, taking them to Gaza. Two hostages were brought to Shefa Hospital, which is connected to Hamas' network of tunnels. Despite other hospitals being closer, Hamas chose Shefa Hospital for its cover and easy access to their tunnel system. The terrorists' motives for bringing the hostages there are questionable, considering the brutal acts they committed against civilians.

The speaker acknowledges the existence of tunnels under the hospital but questions their purpose as they did not appear to be a command center. The other speaker asserts that they know it was a command center because they witnessed it and have information from Hamas terrorists. The first speaker explains that it is normal to question in a democracy and they want to know if the hospital was used as a human shield. The second speaker accuses the first of trying to undermine their position and states that Israel is at war with Hamas. They believe questioning the number of casualties and the location of tunnels undermines Israel's position in the war imposed on them.

Hamas is seen as a troublemaker, but Israel values every life and aims to bring aid trucks in. Many organizations will be pleased with this commitment. The former house speaker is now joining the conversation. Thank you, Mr. Prime Minister, for your time.

The speaker has never heard of soldiers or intelligence agents dressing as females or healthcare workers to enter a hospital and kill patients. The speaker is not surprised if Israelis did this, claiming they disregard the rules of war because the United States protects them. The speaker finds the cruelty inflicted on Palestinians disturbing, stating Israelis seem to take joy in inflicting punishment. The speaker believes this is another instance of Israelis not caring about basic rules and acting in a cruel and evil way.

The speaker states that they have not seen any evidence to suggest a need for a different approach in helping Israel defend itself. When asked if any formal assessment has been conducted to determine if Israel is following the rules of war, the speaker admits to being unaware of any such assessment by the United States government. The question of how they can ensure that the weapons and resources provided by the U.S. adhere to international law is raised, to which the speaker reiterates that they have not seen anything to suggest a change in their approach to assisting Israel's defense.

Hamas is committing a war crime by hiding their military headquarters under a hospital. Israel has responded by sending soldiers with weapons, but they have not launched a large-scale attack. The situation is concerning, as we need to prevent it from escalating further.

Israel's incursion into Al Shifa Hospital in Gaza City is deemed unacceptable. The safety of staff and patients is a top priority, as hospitals should not be treated as battlegrounds. International humanitarian law mandates the protection of health facilities, workers, ambulances, and patients during times of war. Even if these facilities are used for military purposes, the principles of distinction, precaution, and proportionality must be upheld. The well-being of patients and staff, as well as the integrity of the healthcare system, are of utmost concern.

Speaker 0 discusses working with the Israelis, describing them as “very American” and noting that they could get into shouting matches during meetings over whose idea was best, followed by casual lunch and reconciliation. He emphasizes that Israel is a good ally that the U.S. needs to protect and support, and he asserts that CIA and Al Qaeda had worked closely together in Iraq and in Syria, and that there are times when covert action allowed meetings with the “quote unquote, enemies” to try to bring things down as CIA officers. Speaker 1 adds that most of the world has a problem with Al Qaeda and ISIS/Daesh, but there is less of a problem because the CIA worked with ISIS/Daesh and Al Qaeda. He suggests that if the CIA worked with them, it would be better to understand what they were doing, and if the plan is for the U.S. to work with them on a security agreement, which has been done with enemies before, then this has been done in concert with diplomats and other countries involved. He indicates he wouldn’t be surprised if that was happening and would call it possibly hopeful. Speaker 0 continues by noting that newspapers in the United States once celebrated Qasem Soleimani as a fighter with American troops against ISIS and Al Qaeda. He states that Soleimani “was, and now it's switched,” implying a shift in perception or policy. The overarching theme is the idea of collaboration or coordination with hostile or extremist groups in pursuit of broader strategic objectives, including countering Iran, and the possibility that such collaborations could be framed as necessary or hopeful within a complex web of alliances and covert actions. Speaker 0 ends by reiterating the shift in stance: “Now we have to go to al ISIS and Al Qaeda to go back against Iran.” This underscores a cyclical or ironic pivot in U.S. strategy, moving from partnering with certain adversaries against common threats to reengaging those same groups to counter another adversary. The dialogue presents a candid view of realpolitik, suggesting that relationships with seemingly incompatible actors and shifts in alliances occur as part of broader geopolitical objectives, with collaboration sometimes described as acceptable when it serves strategic goals, and public narratives sometimes contrasting with behind-the-scenes actions.