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Gaddafi's plan to introduce the Gold Dinar threatened Western monetary dominance. His vision of a united Africa with a common currency aimed to free the continent from Western exploitation. Economic sanctions were imposed to stop him. Despite this, Gaddafi persisted, but covert operations led to his downfall. Libya became unstable, Africa lost a visionary leader, and hopes for economic liberation were dashed. Corruption in governments continues to benefit the few at the expense of many, perpetuating economic injustice globally. Translation: Gaddafi's plan for a new currency challenged the West, leading to sanctions and his downfall. Africa lost a leader, and corruption persists, hindering economic justice.

Epstein was building control files using sex entrapment and laundering money. $21 trillion disappeared from the Department of Defense (DOD) and Housing and Urban Development (HUD) while Epstein was operating. Rubin, who became Secretary of Treasury, took Epstein to the White House in 1994. After Rubin went to Treasury, money started disappearing and Epstein's wealth ballooned. Epstein was laundering money coming out of DOD. His relationships with Mossad and Israeli intelligence are relevant, as Mossad was taking over DOD while money went missing. Cybersecurity and IT in the Israeli constellation were active in government at that time. If the Epstein files are released, people will connect Epstein, Mossad, the growing power of Israel and APAC, and the location of pension fund money. The institution that laundered $20 trillion also ran Operation Warp Speed. If the Epstein files come out, people will connect too many dots, with dramatic ramifications for the financial system.

Epstein was not some sort of whiz kid hedge fund manager. Epstein was playing a part. Epstein was a LARPer. And this is no longer just speculation. Members of congress are actively being blackmailed. The Epstein playbook is being used on a daily basis. Jeffrey Epstein was not a financier. Jeffrey Epstein was not a hedge fund manager. Jeffrey Epstein was a key player in a multi decade blackmail operation against the most powerful people on the planet. Epstein was a creation of Mossad, Israeli intelligence, American intelligence, Saudi intelligence, or maybe he was just a hired gun. Yeah? Just a tiny bit.

Speaker 1 says that the real information about the Epstein files has not come out and that “there were only four Republicans, four of us that’s really fought to get them released,” who “signed the discharge petition, went against the White House,” and were “threatened,” with Donald Trump calling him a traitor and saying his friends would be hurt. He questions why anyone would vote for Republicans if the administration doesn’t release all the information, framing it as a line in the sand for many people. Speaker 0 asks why they think the Epstein files are being hidden. Speaker 1 responds that it’s because the hidden information would protect “some of the most rich, powerful people,” arguing that Epstein was “definitely some sort of part of the intelligence state” who was “working with Israel” and with the “former prime minister of Israel.” He asserts that these are “the dirty parts of government and the powers that be that they don’t want the American people to know about.” He concludes that, sadly, he doesn’t think the files will come out. Speaker 0 presses on whether Trump is in the Epstein files. Speaker 1 speculates that if someone is “living under blackmail” or “living under threat” and told not to release information, that fear could influence actions. He suggests that someone might be warned by threats to prevent disclosure, giving a hypothetical example: after standing on a rally stage, you could be shot in the ear and warned that “next time we won’t miss,” or that the bullet might be for someone you care about. He says he is “speculating,” but notes he has “a strong enough reason to speculate like that.”

Ashwin Rutansi opens from The UAE, noting the expiration of the nuclear arms treaty and highlighting global flashpoints: a USS Abraham Lincoln shot down an Iranian drone in the Gulf, ongoing talks among Witkoff, Arakashi, and Kushner in Oman, Russia–USA discussions in the UAE, the Rafa crossing between Gaza and Egypt amid continuing Palestinian violence, and Washington’s deployment of troops to Nigeria with 26 airstrikes in Somalia in January. He mentions the UK-backed assassination of Saif Gaddafi in Libya as an example of NATO’s impact on Africa, and notes BRICS’ alignment with Iran, China, and Russia against NATO actions. The discussion of who really controls NATO is framed around the 3,000,000 Epstein files, suggesting they reveal Zionist nuclear strategies and naming Ari Ben Menashe, an Israeli intelligence asset, as a figure connected to these issues. Ari Ben Menashe joins from Montreal to discuss the Epstein materials and their potential impact on Trump. He says the Epstein files appear to be a distraction from broader world events, with some material out and some not, and asserts there is “nothing about Trump really in what they released recently,” calling it a distraction. He suggests Israelis hold sensitive information and might release it when threatened by Trump, implying Israeli influence over the DOJ’s handling of the material. Rutansi presses on whether the Times of Israel’ s focus on Trump being compromised by Israel and Jared Kushner is connected to Chabad Lubavitch, and Ben Menashe traces Epstein’s recruitment to Maxwell and Ehud Barak in the 1980s, alleging a broader network compromising American and other politicians. The conversation touches Tony Blair’s alleged role in Gaza peace plans and the suggestion that Blair is a “wrong choice.” Ben Menashe recounts that Ehud Barak previously had an East Jerusalem office under Israeli control and notes changes in Israeli policy toward Hamas under Netanyahu. They discuss MI6’s involvement in a Libyan assassination and whether Epstein’s material implicates Putin or Russians, with Ben Menashe asserting that portraying Epstein as a Russian agent is a cover‑up linked to Israeli interests. Rutansi and Ben Menashe discuss ongoing US–Iran talks, with expectations of an embassy exchange and sanctions relief, while Netanyahu might sabotage any real deal by releasing Epstein material against US officials. Ben Menashe asserts Trump would like a deal with the Iranians, a view tied to past efforts at ending hostilities in the region. The dialogue covers Epstein’s network, alleged Israeli and MI6 involvement, and the role of Tony Blair and Qatar’s prime minister in the files. Ben Menashe describes Netanyahu as a “real problem” for the US and regional stability, and claims that Netanyahu could press a nuclear button if needed, illustrating the “Sampson Option” by Sy Hersh. They debate the possible collapse of Netanyahu’s leadership and the risk of a nuclear exchange in the region. Toward the end, Rutansi asks about justice for women trafficked by Epstein, and Ben Menashe doubts that families will receive justice, predicting more noise rather than accountability. The program closes with a preview of reporting on the World Government Summit in Dubai and a promotion of Going Underground’s online channel.

John and Mario discuss the breadth and implications of the Epstein files, asserting that Epstein was an access agent connected to Mossad and deeply embedded with various intelligence actors. - Epstein as Mossad access agent and broader intelligence ties: - John asserts that Epstein’s status as a Mossad access agent is correct and that Epstein sought contact with the CIA, the FBI, the National Security Council, MI5, MI6, and even Russia’s Putin. He notes emails from Epstein’s side asking for private meetings with Putin, which were granted in a restricted form, while Epstein’s attorneys reportedly filed FOIA requests with the CIA and NSC about any association with them. - The conversation expands to consider broader pressure on the DOJ and the Trump administration to redact or withhold documents, with Congresswoman May mentioned as observing DOJ monitoring of her and colleagues. - The two discuss the idea that the “movers and shakers” in American culture and the billionaire/political class are driving the cover-up, with the implication that releases mandated by law have not been fully honored. - Death of Epstein and questions about the death/mortality: - Both speakers repeatedly state “Epstein did not kill himself,” noting the belief that he was murdered and cremated, preventing body examination. - They list several anomalies surrounding Epstein’s death: attempted suicide on July 23 with deleted footage, six days of suicide watch followed by removal from watch contrary to protocol, guards’ missed rounds, an empty cell with a removed cellmate who had been violent, an unmonitored call the day before death, and camera malfunctions on the day of death. - They discuss a decoy body used in the autopsy process and discrepancies in the autopsy report (ear shape, nose, and penis appearance) and a DOJ report dated a day earlier than publicized. The discussion includes the possibility of a decoy body to mislead reporters. - A forensic expert is cited, noting that the autopsy description described a normal penis, conflicting with accounts from a victim about a deformed penis. - Redactions, sources, and the release of documents: - They argue the released files overwhelm audiences and muddy facts, with millions of documents, of which only a fraction has been released; the rest remain redacted. - John explains FOIA processes and redaction rules (sources/methods, unindicted co-conspirators, victims’ privacy), emphasizing that there is little justification to redact content about Epstein himself since he is deceased. - They compare the redaction situation to the torture report, where redacted material obscures critical findings, and point out inconsistencies in what names are redacted (e.g., Les Wexner redacted as “Les” but not his full surname). - Libyan assets, Ukraine, and other financial angles: - A memo shows Epstein plotting to loot Libya’s frozen assets, with Greg Brown (former MI6 and Mossad connections mentioned) proposing to identify recovered assets and take 5–10% as compensation, with Libya’s reconstruction spending potentially exceeding $100 billion. - The discussion notes that the U.S. Treasury rewards those who facilitate repatriation of unfrozen assets, creating incentives for private actors with intelligence ties to pursue such recoveries. - A separate thread cites a 2014 Ukraine-related discussion where Epstein allegedly said the upheaval could provide opportunities; the Rothschilds are reported to have emailed Epstein about Ukraine and asset management strategies, implying Epstein represented the Rothschilds in asset opportunities. - They discuss the possibility that events like regime changes could be exploited for personal gain, with Epstein’s reputation management and potential money-motivated exploitation of geopolitical upheavals. - Honeypots, blackmail, and sex as an intelligence instrument: - The discussion covers claims of victims receiving death threats in Hebrew, and whether this indicates Mossad involvement or a private group using Hebrew phrasing to threaten. They argue Mossad has historically used threats and spying, and Epstein’s network could include others who leveraged sexual exploits for leverage. - They examine emails describing sexual activity in a transactional manner, with grainy surveillance footage capturing some redacted sexual content, suggesting a blackmail operation rather than simple perversion alone. - They consider whether Epstein’s sex life served as a bargaining chip for intelligence services, with Epstein’s protection and coercion potentially enabling illicit activity to be used for intelligence purposes. - Notable connections and individuals: - Fergie (Sarah, Duchess of York) is discussed as having close ties to Epstein, including emails referencing “marry me” and a period after his conviction; Prince Andrew is noted as heavily implicated in the broader Epstein network. - Howard Lutnick’s name appears in the documents; his denial of involvement with Epstein is highlighted as a potential discrepancy given the surrounding evidence. - The possibility that redacted materials could still reveal high-level connections or be weaponized against political figures is considered, with the overarching view that information could resurface or be released later to influence politics. - Final stance and ongoing investigation: - John maintains that Epstein’s role as an intelligence asset is supported by the files released to date and that more documents remain to be disclosed. He emphasizes that the situation involves intersecting intelligence communities, financial opportunism, and political exposure, with ongoing questions about the true extent of who knew what and who protected whom. The conversation closes with an acknowledgment that more files will likely be released, more information will emerge, and expert analysis will continue to evolve.

I've said this many times. People ask me, you know, was Epstein a Mossad agent per se? I think that in reality, his stature and the role he played was in many ways far above that. If you look at his conversations with Barack, who at this time was one of the most influential people in the Israeli political security establishment, he'd been the prime minister. He was the defense minister during part of their conversations. He was really looking up to Epstein. He was looking up to Epstein for help. He was trying to get his attention. The power dynamic was very quite discernible in their interactions. So it was really Epstein was kind of above, you know, any institution like that per se, but they were a resource and a critical node that they actually relied on for connections and help and for money and political purposes and to spread their influence globally and so forth. So I suspect that these files, which, you know, again, we haven't had a chance to go through in great granularity and really to get extract the true meaning out of them does take some time to kind of put them chronologically together and see what the meaning of all the conversations were in context. But I do suspect that they will point more of this. Now I have been looking at that conversation that you referenced earlier with Barack, and a third figure who you know, we have some theories of who it is, but we're not having we're not sharing them yet, but I think someone people probably know very well. You know, I do think that points to even more detail about, what Epstein was doing. And I think the one thing about these documents is that they're gonna help us do a lot more stories about this Israel connection soon because they filled in the gaps from some of the things that we weren't able to nail down before. And I think we'll see a lot more stories about Epstein's influence, through Israel, in many countries around the world, including in many countries in Africa, Central Asia, and obviously in Europe and North America and Russia as well.

I was once told by a reporter at Fox that Epstein was an intelligence asset for people in the Middle East. This person was absolutely sure that Epstein was either knowingly or unknowingly working as an intelligence asset. It's a mistake to assume that Epstein was the only one with access to the videotapes from his plane and island. The reason some people wanted the Epstein story to disappear is because many assume that Epstein was the only one who had damaging information on powerful people. According to my source, that is not the case. It makes sense that the blackmail story is more widespread than people know. I do not know which Middle Eastern countries were involved.

The speaker believes those hiding the truth about 9/11 are capable of murder. They claim the U.S. caused Gaddafi's death because Hillary Clinton played a "game." The speaker says they went to Libya during the war with a Biden staffer, a Bush staffer, and a film crew, and hand-carried a letter from Gaddafi offering to resign, but the U.S. wanted him dead. According to the speaker, Gaddafi wanted to unite Africa economically on the gold standard, but the U.S. and Europe wanted control of his oil and sovereign wealth. The speaker took Biden to Libya on their second trip. The speaker feels it is outrageous that people who have never served in the military make money off conflicts while kids are drawn into them and killed.

NATO's first shot was modest, expansion costs are real but manageable. Our mission is to fight for freedom. Libya announced Gaddafi's death. Condolences for lives lost in 90s wars. North Stream 2 will no longer continue.

I was once told by a reporter at Fox that Epstein was an intelligence asset for people in the Middle East. The reporter was sure that Epstein was either a witting or unwitting asset, and that his plane and island were likely bugged with cameras. There's a misconception that Epstein was the sole owner of the videotapes, but that's not the case. According to the source, others had them too, which is why the blackmail story makes sense. I'm unsure which Middle Eastern countries are involved, but the reporter swore that Epstein was an intelligence asset. It's possible that these countries are using the videos to influence powerful decision-makers.

Israel was knee-deep in the JFK assassination. The Mossad is about having information on the United States. The payoff for the assassination was that Israel wanted a bomb. They asked Eisenhower, who told them no. Then they asked Kennedy, who also refused and demanded to inspect their nuclear program. When LBJ came in, some uranium went missing in Pennsylvania, which helped Israel start their nuclear program. The Mossad trained the four Arabs to take the planes over and run them in the building on 9/11, which led to the Patriot Act. All of this is connected to current events with Jeffrey Epstein and now Diddy. The JFK assassination goes back to the root cause which was that General Groves wanted to nuke China and Russia.

The discussion centers on claims drawn from “Epstein files.” Speaker 1 says they found information “nobody else found,” highlighting Catherine Rumler, described as Barack Obama’s White House counsel and later general counsel for Goldman Sachs. Speaker 1 claims Rumler was “very, very close to Jeffrey Epstein,” with “constant” email exchanges. They cite emails in the latest tranche where Rumler tells Epstein that John Brennan, director of the CIA, “gave me the CIA’s highest honor this morning,” and where she tells Epstein she will arrange for him to be in Washington next Tuesday and sets up a meeting with Brennan. Speaker 1 asks whether there was contact between Jeffrey Epstein and John Brennan, noting Brennan “is not talking,” and states that “3,000,000 more documents” have not yet been released, and “of the ones that haven’t been deleted possibly” suggests permanent deletion may have occurred. They say people are expected to “take their words for it.” Speaker 0 suggests focusing narrowly on portions of the files involving sex trafficking and billionaires abusing kids, but Speaker 1 argues that zooming out shows “arms deals” and “collaborations across intelligence.” Speaker 1 says the theme everyone should focus on is that Epstein was “an Israeli access agent,” claiming certainty about this position. Speaker 1 says the next tranche (described as “3,000,000,” “like 2,700,000 documents”) shows Epstein trying to work for the CIA and possibly doing something with the CIA. They state they “don’t know yet” and that Epstein “didn’t authorize that.” Speaker 1 adds that Epstein was also working with MI5 and MI6 in the UK, “possibly the Germans,” and “definitely the Israelis.” They claim Epstein repeatedly tried to secure a one-on-one meeting with Vladimir Putin, was denied repeatedly, and eventually was offered a meeting with Putin and three others; Epstein declined and wanted only Putin alone, after which “the Russians walked away.” The conversation concludes with discussion of “Israeli connections,” including Speaker 0 saying that when they asked Congress people about it “today and yesterday,” they “run screaming from the room.” Speaker 0 also notes that the topic is sometimes turned into a Democrat-versus-Republican issue rather than something broader, and Speaker 1 replies: “And it’s not. They’re both corrupt.”

- The speakers present a conspiratorial framing of Libya’s recent history and its global repercussions. They assert, “It’s a Chinese colony at this point,” implying foreign influence over Libya and its trajectory. - They claim that “the West and Hillary blows up Gaddafi,” arguing that those who were aligned with the West retaliated against Muammar Gaddafi. They further state that Gaddafi had “invested everything with the West, came and apologized,” and describe NATO as “the defensive alliance” that “went and just murdered Gaddafi for no reason.” - Gaddafi is portrayed in softened, almost heroic terms: “One’s Gaddafi, you know, the crazy colonel,” but the speakers emphasize that “the point was he was for the people.” They describe him as “a statesman,” noting that “he literally lived in a tent.” - The economic and infrastructural claims are central to their narrative: they say “98% of the state money coming in and oil went to not just his people, Africa,” and that he was “building real infrastructure” with a “whole plan to link up” with Africa. They imply that his policies would have connected Africa regionally rather than remaining separate from the rest of the continent. - They allege that the killing of Gaddafi was part of a broader, destabilizing plan: “they came and killed him,” and as a result, “now all of Africa’s collapsing because they blew up the South Point and the North Point.” They attribute these upheavals to “the globalist deliberately blow[ing] that up for destabilization.” - The discussion turns to population movements: they claim that “the population will be moved here and to Europe as it already is being in Australia, New Zealand, and Canada, of course.” The speaker asserts personal certainty about this trend: “I know I see it so, so clearly.”

Speaker 0: Take this in and understand what we’re actually dealing with. Many views exist—from Trump being a pedophile protecting pedophile buddies, to Israel infiltration and cover-ups, to it being a Democrat hoax. The reality, as described here, is that there is a supranational global cabal that has operated for nearly a hundred years, using money laundering, blackmail, drug trafficking, human trafficking, and other nefarious operations to fund and overthrow countries, serving as the shadow power of the world. We can see who these people are, their intentions, and the outcomes of their policies, and they are still being shoehorned into the most important positions in the world specifically because they’re part of this cabal. Main players mentioned include Larry Summers, who, per Epstein documents, was named executor of Jeffrey Epstein’s estate after his death. The money Epstein received from Les Wexner and others to create a starting fund and build a reputation as a financier is said to be returning to the coffers of Larry Summers, seen as part of this operation. The analogy is that this operation is like a corporation with Epstein as a brand under an umbrella, where if one asset (like Irish Spring) fails, its resources are absorbed back into the wider corporate structure. Summers, formerly Treasury Secretary, who helped destroy Glass-Steagall and contributed to the 2008 market crash dynamics, is said to have his bailout-money influence guided by Larry Fink at BlackRock. Summers, who was head of Harvard and later appointed to OpenAI’s board, is linked to the governance of the AI company behind ChatGPT. Larry Ellison is described as corresponding with Epstein and Ehud Barak (former Israeli prime minister) about which politicians serve their interests, including arranging a meeting between Marco Rubio and Tony Blair due to shared interests in this cabal. Epstein is depicted as a central, manipulative figure involved in selling weapons from Israel, meddling in elections, and influencing universities in Russia, raising questions about his influence and reach. The speaker emphasizes Epstein’s reach across political and corporate spheres and the question of his power, asking how such influence is possible. Speaker 1: The question is, how do you go about that? Speaker 0: He didn’t even go to school for trading; it’s all fabricated. He is a spymaster and a kingpin in a mafia. This group, including Les Wexner, Jeffrey Epstein, Larry Summers, Larry Ellison, Donald Trump (at this point), is part or perhaps the managing structure of the same organization discussed in the Eagle two documents from the 1960s, where the CIA sought autonomy from Congress by creating its own income streams, including drug trafficking in Vietnam. The opioid and drug-running links are tied to Iran-Contra, with George H. W. Bush involved in opium trade and the drug-running networks. Bill Gates and other figures are alleged to have involved in cover-ups during CIA-driven operations in South America, with Gary Webb’s Dark Alliance cited as exposing such networks. Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton, when Bill was governor of Arkansas, allegedly helped run headquarters in Mina for flights to and from Colombia, spreading drugs across the United States. The assertion is that the same group runs drugs, rigs elections, and is involved in various crises, including alleged connections to COVID-19, Russiagate, 9/11, and the assassination of Charlie Kirk, forming a pattern of the last decades of upheaval in America. The discussion moves toward Epstein’s network and the sources of his money, with emails revealing connections, against a backdrop of broad search for Trump and the prevalence of unconfirmed, baseless anonymous claims. The core claim is that the true representation is the “new world order” and a banking-based intelligence network where intelligence agencies originated from banks. The CIA’s founding from the OSS is tied to MI6, which allegedly drew on the Rothschild banking intelligence, tying the CIA, MI6, and banking elites together. The speaker concludes that the same names—running drugs, stealing elections, burning down skyscrapers, and flying airplanes—appear repeatedly, linking DEI, ESG, white discrimination claims, and Epstein to the same global web.

I was once told by a reporter at Fox that Epstein was an intelligence asset for people in the Middle East. I didn't know that. This reporter was absolutely sure that Epstein was either a witting or unwitting asset, meaning his plane and island were likely equipped with cameras, and the tapes weren't exclusively in Epstein's custody. The reason certain people wanted the Epstein story to disappear is because they assumed Epstein was the only one with compromising material. According to my source, that wasn't the case. These assets and the blackmail story make sense because of this. I don't know which Middle Eastern countries were involved, but the reporter swore Epstein was an asset. They may have had his plane wired and have all the compromising material. How do we know some countries aren't influencing power players with blackmail?

Afshin Ratanzi asks Afshin about his view that Saif al-Islam’s assassination was orchestrated by British and French intelligence using local proxies, and what led to that conclusion. Afshin says he didn’t say it himself, but sources told him it was MI6 with local proxies, naming Blaise Mettruel as head of MI6 and citing the granddaughter of Ukrainian Nazi Konstantin Dobrovsky. He notes hints of French involvement as well, referencing DGSE’s alleged plots to assassinate Burkina Faso leader Ibrahim Traoré and other recent French-backed anti-government activity in Africa, including mentions of Nicolas Lerner. He cites a broader pattern: NATO involvement in Africa, including NATO weapons and Ukrainian mercenaries in Niger, and asserts that the same forces were involved in Libyan events, including the Libyan leader’s funeral and the orchestration of instability. He also points to an Epstein connection, citing a Beverly Hills firm’s letter to Jeffrey Epstein about MI6 and Mossad in relation to “disaster capitalism” of Libyan resources, which he says made Libya the richest per capita in Africa before intervention. He mentions Russia’s role and that Russia, Brazil, and India abstained at the UN Security Council in 2011 during the NATO invasion. Regarding Libya’s current state, Afshin emphasizes continuing imperialist Western power that aims to “keep Africa down” and exploit resources. He recalls Muammar Gaddafi’s plan to de-dollarize Africa with a gold-based currency and Saif al-Islam’s intention to rejuvenate those ideas, suggesting the country’s prospects darkened after Saif’s death. He notes an Israeli former intelligence adviser who worked with General Haftar, a CIA asset, and says unity for Libya remains uncertain. He mentions potential Libyan brothers and awaits investigation results into Saif al-Islam’s killing, warning that gunmen may be part of a larger plot. Looking ahead, Afshin says the World Government Summit occurred in Dubai; he mentions the BRICS possibility for Libya’s future, including multipolarity and a move away from Western dominance. He references Mali and Burkina Faso as examples of shifting dynamics in the Sahel and suggests BRICS, China, Russia, and India could influence a future trajectory for Africa. He asserts Saif al-Islam was the most popular Libyan leader, with a funeral attended by about a million people, and notes Western media coverage of his funeral was minimal. He posits that Saif al-Islam’s vision for Libya included restoring pre-2011 gains in education, health, and food security, potentially rebuilding Libya as a wealthier nation and signaling an end to imperialism across Africa. Afshin thanks the host, and the interview ends.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss the ongoing investigations into the Epstein-Israel connection. Speaker 1 explains that Robsat has been examining Epstein’s ties to the Israeli government, Israeli security services, and Israeli private firms connected to the security sector, which are heavily involved in tech surveillance. Epstein is described as a very critical node in this network. The recent email dump is noted as chaotic and not fully accessible, with about 3,000,000 documents released, roughly half of what the DOJ reportedly has. There is mention of another roughly 3,000,000 files that remain unseen, and that lawmakers like Ro Khanna and Thomas Massey have raised this issue. The currently released material may only be the tip of the iceberg, and fuller analysis awaits chronological organization to understand the conversations in context. Speaker 1 notes that prior reporting relied on very limited Epstein files and involuntary releases from hacked material—such as an intrusion into Ehud Barak’s inbox—which revealed Epstein’s extensive, far-reaching involvement with figures and institutions in Israel’s political and security establishment. Epstein’s role is described as a resource and a critical node used for connections, money, political leverage, and global influence, rather than simply being a Mossad agent. The forthcoming documents are expected to enable more stories about Israel’s global influence through Epstein, including in Africa, Central Asia, Europe, North America, and Russia. Speaker 0 asks about the significance of Epstein informing Ehud Barak, especially in light of Palantir’s actions, and why Barak would need this information if Palantir would proceed independently. Speaker 1 responds by noting that Ehud Barak was leaving public service and, like many former politicians, sought to leverage access gained in office to generate private wealth while pursuing ongoing political aims. Epstein was assisting Barak in developing him as a tech security mogul. Barak apparently did not know Palantir well at that time, illustrating Epstein’s role in shaping and linking these tech surveillance interests. Speaker 1 adds that Palantir was reportedly attempting to hire Israel’s UN ambassador, Ron Prosor, indicating a very intimate relationship between the Israeli political/security establishment and Palantir, which also has ties to the American intelligence community. Epstein’s interest in surveillance technology aligned with his broader access to intelligence networks and financial resources to influence the technological landscape. The transcript ends with Speaker 0 interjecting a promotional advertisement for gold and silver (which should be omitted from the summary per instructions).

Afshin Ratanzi and the guest discuss the Epstein files and how they are being linked to Russia and Western power structures. The guest says 3,000,000 Epstein files have not been released by the Department of Justice, with Trump administration’s attempts to block them and congressional efforts by Thomas Massie and Ro Conner to release them. He notes the files describe how a former Russian deputy, Ponomarev, allegedly wanted to incite a coup in Russia and the assassination of President Putin, and mentions interest in interviewing Ponomarev, who reportedly lives in Kiev. The guest adds that Going Underground has interviewed some people from the Epstein files, including Noam Chomsky, who he says criticized how NATO media prevent understanding of world events and support Russiagate. He mentions Ehud Barak walked out of the show, and notes FBI sworn statements containing disturbing allegations such as child cannibalism, and says these are “allegations, of course.” He asserts Western media will blame Putin and Russia to avoid confronting the broader “dump of redacted 3,000,000 files,” portraying Washington, London, and Brussels as oligarch-dominated and condemning Western democracy while accusing elites of trafficking children and influencing tax legislation to enrich the rich. The host asks what fears the Epstein links raise. The guest explains that Epstein, described as a Mossad asset, purportedly sought to destroy the Russian Federation because a multipolar world involving China, Russia, Venezuela, and Iran challenges Zionist expansion. He argues leaders from those countries aren’t in the Epstein files, contrasting them with Western elites. He discusses why media might link Epstein to Russia, noting that Trump’s handling of the files has caused concern in West Asia; the guest suggests Trump could launch wars (e.g., Iran) to distract from links to Epstein and to avoid scrutiny of his own associations, which could have global economic consequences if Straits of Hormuz were affected. Addressing why the “Russia hoax” persists, the guest emphasizes the existence of a captive population in NATO countries through propaganda and restricted access to alternative outlets (citing bans on Rumble in France and RT in Britain), arguing Western oligarchs control cultural and media sectors. He contends that Western systems have historically supported wars in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, and Syria, and claims public belief about events like Bucha could be shaped by NATO media. Regarding Britain’s role, the guest claims MI6 is heavily involved in wars including Syria, with Epstein-linked interests tied to overthrowing Assad; he notes Peter Mandelson’s resignation from the House of Lords and his appointment as British ambassador to the United States, highlighting Britain’s investment in destroying Russia since the Crimean War. He cautions that Britain’s diplomacy may be a lie and urges BRICS and Shanghai Cooperation Organization members to reassess Western leaders, suggesting distrust toward Western diplomacy and warning that leaders in global South should recognize a pattern of destruction propagated by Western powers. The interview ends with thanks to Afshin Ratanzi.

"There's no Epstein list. There are no Epstein files." "All of the real story begins in 02/1967 when he's arrested in Palm Beach." "The search warrant basically protected him and it prevented the authorities from collecting meaningful information." "It was like, you're allowed to look in Drawer 3 but not Drawer 4." "So the truth is the US government doesn't have that much." "Massive transfer of money from this guy Les Wexner in Ohio to Jeffrey Epstein." "Leon Black, same thing. He says for accounting services, that's clearly not true." "That's not about Mossad or MI6 or CIA. Right." "So I think as usual, the crime is right in front of our faces."

Speaker 0 says that, based on their time in the area, “they cover stuff up” and that it involves a “global conspiracy.” They cite as examples the release of “the Epstein files,” saying it caused a prince to lose his title, led to the ambassador from Britain to the United States being canned, resulted in the former prime minister of Norway being arrested, and involved the Minister of Culture in France, a “former Minister of Culture,” a group of CEOs, and the head of the World Economic Forum.

The speaker contends that the real reason for hard efforts to prevent the release of the files for months is to protect billionaires, friends of the speaker and associated political donors. They claim Epstein had close ties to our own intelligence agencies and Israel's intelligence agencies, and argue that there will be attempts to stop this somewhere else, which they believe will backfire.

John and Mario discuss the EpsteinFiles with a focus on who is behind the cover-up, the involvement of intelligence services, and the implications for justice and power. - Epstein as Mossad asset and broader intelligence links: - John reiterates his original conclusion that Epstein was a Mossad access agent and adds that he was actively seeking contact with the CIA, the FBI, the NSC, MI5/MI6, Germany, and even Vladimir Putin, aiming to burnish his credentials with intelligence communities. Epstein allegedly requested private meetings with Putin, which were arranged with others present, and there were FOIA requests by Epstein’s attorneys to confirm associations with the CIA and NSC, which reportedly went unanswered. - Mario notes Epstein’s access to the Skiff (a highly restricted, sealed room for classified discussions) and argues Epstein’s entry suggests closer ties to American intelligence, since only Five Eyes would have access to such a space. He contrasts this with a broader view that the “movers and shakers” in American culture and the billionaire/political classes drive the cover-up, as evidenced by congressional mandates to release documents and the DOJ’s involvement. - The discussion flags that the released files show Epstein’s attempts to connect with major intelligence actors, and hints at a possible broader Israeli involvement (Mossad) and questions about whether Israelis were spying on the CIA/NSC. - The scope of the release and accountability: - John emphasizes that Congress passed a law mandating release of these documents; the executive branch has not released all materials, with millions unreleased and only a fraction of available data being disclosed (debate around 2% of data released in some outlets). He criticizes the DOJ for surveillance-like behavior of congressional briefings (e.g., a DOJ official observing members while they review materials). He also notes the CIA/FBI/FIVE EYES redactions that obscure sources and methods, and argues that there should be little redaction since Epstein is deceased. - Mario adds that the files reveal extensive redactions and questions about what remains unreleased, comparing it to the torture report’s redactions, and suggests the redactions may be politically or strategically motivated. - Notable file threads and alleged illicit activities: - A Libyan assets subplot: An associate, Greg Brown, discusses identifying and recovering frozen Libyan assets (potentially 80+ billion dollars). The plan purportedly offered Epstein a percentage (10-25%) for recovery, with Libya’s reconstruction as a potential cost. Brown claimed connections with MI6 and Mossad to identify stolen assets, illustrating a pattern of opportunities for private actors to profit from geopolitical upheavals. - Ukraine 2014 dispatches: A tweet claimed that Epstein, in 2014, discussed opportunities arising from Ukraine upheaval, with the Rothschilds emailing Epstein to discuss asset management and Ukraine, implying Epstein represented the Rothschilds in exploring opportunities amid regime changes. - The role of wealth and elite involvement: Mario and John describe how Epstein’s financial power enabled him to operate at the intersection of intelligence and global finance; the “go-to” for large asset claims is a reality that would require serious governmental or intelligence ties. - Death of Epstein and questions surrounding it: - The panel discusses the widely accepted view that Epstein did not kill himself, citing multiple irregularities: the July 23 attempt, the deletion of relevant footage, Epstein’s removal from suicide watch against protocol, a mass-murderer cellmate, unmonitored calls, camera malfunctions, and a decoy body claim. They discuss the autopsy differences (ear shape, penis description) and an DOJ note dated a day earlier than the death as a potential anomaly. - John explains that in the federal system prison guards’ qualifications and camera reliability are problematic, and argues that the death raises serious questions about the suicide narrative, while acknowledging a lack of inside information to confirm any particular theory. They discuss a decoy body and the possibility that Epstein was secretly killed, with ongoing debates about whether he’s alive or dead. - They reference a note about an escape plan and a will being signed days before death, suggesting Epstein anticipated danger and attempted to plan escape, though this is balanced against the argument that prisoners often contemplate escape. - Victims, threats, and blackmail: - They recount death threats to Epstein’s victims, including threats in Hebrew and references to Mossad-like intimidation. John explains that Western intelligence rarely issues direct threats to civilians, whereas Mossad has historically used such tactics; Epstein’s circle included individuals who reportedly faced threats and harassment. - They discuss Epstein’s private security cameras and alleged blackmail operations, citing emails in which victims describe transactional sexual experiences and Epstein’s networks. They consider whether intelligence agencies exploited Epstein’s perversion to further strategic aims and whether those networks used blackmail to recruit or control powerful individuals (e.g., Prince Andrew, Les Wexner, etc.). - High-profile associations and potential redactions: - Fergie (Sarah Ferguson) is mentioned as having close ties with Epstein, including emails after his conviction and marriage-like language; Prince Andrew is highlighted as heavily implicated. They discuss whether these relationships were used for blackmail or influence, and whether such information remains usable as leverage. - The breadth of individuals implicated ranges from Trump to Clinton to business titans; John notes there is no direct evidence of crimes by Trump or Clinton in released materials, but the extent of connections complicates public perception. - Conclusion and ongoing questions: - The conversation closes with an agreement that Epstein’s death and the surrounding files reveal a web of intelligence connections, high-level influence, and potential blackmail, with substantial redactions and a continuing need for full disclosure to understand the full extent of involvement, high-level figures, and the truth behind Epstein’s death. They anticipate further file releases and ongoing analysis.

Speaker 0: Do you agree with Candace Owens that the reason we are not going to see the client list is because Israel is implicated? Speaker 1: Israel is implicated. I’m just going to say that. Speaker 0: But what would Israel have to do with Epstein? Speaker 1: I mean, the former prime minister of Israel, he had Barack lived at Epstein's townhouse for years. I mean, the allegation is that Epstein was running a blackmail operation against powerful people where they would be videotaped having outside of marriage or illegally with underage women, that information will be used against them to get them to comply with whatever request that government wanted them to comply with. I think it's absolutely fair to ask to what extent was Epstein involved in a foreign intelligence operation on our show. This is our country. This country doesn't belong to any foreign country. Okay. This is our country. I was born here. I pay taxes here. So if some foreign country, I don't care if you claim it's our ally or not, is running an intel operation on my soil, I have a right to know what that was.