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The speakers discuss what must happen for a free Palestine and what a future Israel–Palestine could look like. The central position is that, although a two-state solution remains viable in principle, its implementation must proceed with dismantling a “genocidal apartheid regime.” The speaker emphasizes that there is an important distinction to be made: “the state of Israel” should be separated from the rights of Israeli Jews who live there, whose rights must be respected and secured, but the ideological framework of Israel is at issue.
The argument is that Israel is an ideological state, and Zionism cannot establish lasting peace. Zionism, in the speaker’s view, is “an ideology that in its core is hostile to the equality of humanity,” and in the form of the state of Israel it continually uses violence to try to solve political problems. When violence does not resolve the problem, the stance is that it would be addressed with more violence.
When asked how Israel–Palestine should look, the speaker admits this is a relatively new conclusion and that they have not fully worked out the exact realization. However, they state clearly: “there is no peace with the state of Israel and no peace should be established” with the current regime.
The main argument supporting this conclusion is drawn by analogy to other regimes: “for the same reason that you should not establish peace with apartheid South Africa or with Nazi Germany or with Rhodesia,” those regimes had to be dismantled, because without dismantling them there would never be peace in Europe or in Southern Africa.
In summary, the position asserted is that a lasting peace requires dismantling the Israeli state as it currently exists, while acknowledging that the rights of Israeli Jews are separate and must be protected. A two-state outcome might be possible in principle, but only through dismantling the genocidal apartheid regime, not by maintaining the current state structure.