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The speaker expresses concern about Israel's actions in targeting Hamas, as it leads to civilian casualties and potential radicalization of young Palestinians. The other speaker argues that if Israel does nothing, they will be attacked, and questions the assumption that there is a peaceful population in Gaza. They mention an incident where ordinary Gazans mistreated the body of a German Jewish girl. The conversation touches on the idea of collective punishment and the responsibility of the Gaza population for electing Hamas. The unique situation of Gaza's population, particularly the high number of children, is highlighted. The speaker also compares Hamas to the Nazis, emphasizing the pride and glee with which Hamas carries out their actions. They criticize British journalists, commentators, and politicians for lecturing Israel without addressing the weaknesses in their own country's enforcement of laws and borders.

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During World War 2, there were significant casualties on both sides, with 70,000 Brits and 2,000,000 Germans dying. The speaker questions why there aren't many monuments in Britain for the German casualties. They argue that there is a moral difference between deliberately targeting civilians and trying to kill terrorists who hide among civilians. The speaker then asks if there is a moral difference between Hamas killing families and Israel's actions in Gaza, which is densely populated. They also mention the disparity in the number of Palestinian and Israeli casualties. The speaker concludes by stating that the entire Palestine is occupied.

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Israel's strategy of bombing areas where they know civilians are present is seen as evidence that they want to kill innocent people. They justify this by claiming that Hamas uses civilians as human shields. The speaker argues that this is not a valid justification and compares it to a hypothetical situation where someone's mother is held captive. The speaker believes that bombing these areas indiscriminately puts innocent lives at risk, rather than targeting Hamas militants.

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The speaker asks if the person supports Israel's right to defend themselves against acts of violence committed by Hamas. They repeatedly mention horrific acts such as chopping off baby heads and burning children alive, asking for a comment on these actions. They express disbelief and ask if there is no comment on the matter.

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The speaker questions whether Israel's response to conflict is reasonable, proportionate, and moral. They criticize Britain's obsession with the concept of proportionality, arguing that it rarely exists in conflicts. They sarcastically suggest that if proportionality were to be strictly followed, Israel should retaliate by committing acts of violence equivalent to those committed by Hamas. The speaker dismisses the idea of proportionality in conflict as a joke and a strange British concept, highlighting the expectation for Israel to respond proportionately when attacked.

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Israel is accused of trying to erase Gaza's population, not just defeat Hamas. The speaker criticizes the lack of condemnation for Israeli war crimes by interviewers, highlighting a perceived double standard. The interviewer defends Israel's actions as responses to terrorism, while the speaker argues that killing civilians for a political cause constitutes terrorism, regardless of the perpetrator. The discussion revolves around the need for consistent moral principles in evaluating violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

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The speaker states their love for Jews and Israel has nothing to do with the question of whether people are killing or murdering a hundred children a day. Another person calls the speaker a terrorist.

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The speaker questions why people raise the Palestinian flag but remain silent when Arabs are killed by ISIS, Arab dictators, and Saudi Arabia. They suggest that this silence reflects a bias against Jews, as people only seem to protest when Jews defend themselves. The speaker implies that this bias stems from hatred taught in mosques and schools. They also mention the concept of proportionality, suggesting that raising the Palestinian flag may be driven by an agenda of Jew hatred rather than genuine concern.

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Israel is questioned about freely sending planes, tanks, and artillery into Gaza, crossing the border at will. The question is posed: Why can't Hamas build tunnels under the border and enter Gaza at will? The speaker asks if this is in accordance with the laws of war.

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In this video, the speakers discuss the recent conflict between Israel and Palestine. The first speaker, who has family in Gaza, expresses concern for their safety and criticizes the repetitive cycle of violence. They mention an interview with Ben Shapiro, praising his intelligence and agreeing with his solution to annex Gaza and kill as many people as possible. The second speaker, the host, questions the first speaker's statements and clarifies what Ben Shapiro actually said. They discuss the concept of proportionate response and the difficulty of achieving peace in the region. The conversation becomes heated, with the first speaker criticizing Israel's actions and the second speaker defending Israel's right to self-defense. The discussion ends with the first speaker expressing frustration and the host thanking them for their participation.

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The speaker expresses concern about Israel's actions in targeting Hamas, as it leads to civilian casualties and potential radicalization of young Palestinians. The other speaker argues that if Israel does nothing, they would be vulnerable to attacks. They also question the assumption that the Gaza population is peaceful, citing an incident where ordinary Gazans mistreated a German Jewish girl. The conversation then touches on the issue of collective punishment and the responsibility of the Gaza population for electing Hamas. The unique situation of Gaza's high child population is mentioned. The second speaker argues against the comparison between Hamas and the Nazis, highlighting the pride Hamas takes in their actions. They emphasize the need for the world, including Britain, to take Hamas seriously. The conversation is interrupted by a rocket, but the speaker continues, expressing disappointment in British journalists and politicians who criticize Israel without addressing their own country's shortcomings.

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The speaker expresses concern about Israel's actions in targeting Hamas, as it leads to civilian casualties and potentially radicalizes young Palestinians. The other speaker argues that if Israel does nothing, they would be vulnerable to attacks. They also question the assumption that the Gaza population is peaceful, citing an incident where ordinary Gazans mistreated a German Jewish girl. The conversation then delves into the issue of collective punishment and the responsibility of the Gaza population for electing Hamas. The unique situation of Gaza's high child population is mentioned. The discussion takes a turn when a rocket is heard, but the speaker continues to make a point about the barbarity of Hamas, comparing it to the Nazis. They emphasize that Hamas takes pride in their actions and calls for the world, including Britain, to take the threat seriously.

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Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss a sequence of war-related scenarios, making provocative comparisons and extreme claims about Israel, Hamas, and broader conflicts. Speaker 0 asserts that if Mexico occupied their land and then decided to cut off electricity and control inputs, it would be akin to Israel’s actions against Palestinians; he imagines a scenario where an occupying force could slaughter people for allegedly throwing rocks. Speaker 1 counters by noting Israel has nuclear weapons and that the world’s military power backs Israel. Speaker 0 asserts that Israel has nuclear weapons and that they do not use them, while Speaker 1 suggests Hamas would use a nuclear weapon in seconds if they had one, stating three seconds as the answer because it’s in Hamas’s charter. Speaker 0 asks how anyone could know that, and Speaker 1 cites the charter as justification. Speaker 0 argues that Hamas would be martyrs if they used a nuclear weapon against Israel, describing Hamas as having a death-cult view and noting that they strap suicide vests sometimes on children. He says people cannot see the moral difference between Hamas and Israel. Speaker 1 pushes back, saying they are not talking about extermination and notes that Basilel Smotrich and Ben Gavir have talked about exterminating the entire population of Gaza, while Speaker 0 claims the West Bank is another example and states that despite the West Bank having nothing to do with October 7, it is being annexed and that terror is being rained on innocent Palestinians, driving them from their homes. Speaker 0 acknowledges that what Hamas did on October 7 was a “fucking atrocity,” killing innocent people. He says he is willing to admit that atrocity, but he emphasizes his belief that the atrocities against civilians in Gaza are also significant. Speaker 1 concedes that the IDF and all armies commit war crimes in war and that “all wars are going to have atrocity.” Speaker 0 asks for acknowledgment of a double tap on a hospital; Speaker 1 describes the hospital incident as an old terrorist trick and confirms that such acts occur in war, but he emphasizes that all wars involve atrocities. The exchange references first responders and a vague memory of the event, with Speaker 0 asserting that first responders’ deaths and hospital strikes are part of the ongoing discussion, while Speaker 1 frames them within the broader context of war crimes by all sides. Overall, the dialogue juxtaposes occupation, nuclear deterrence, and moral atrocity claims on both sides, with explicit references to statements by Israeli political figures, Hamas, and the general conduct of war by all parties.

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Israel's logic behind carpet bombing Gaza is questioned, with the speaker seeking to understand how it contributes to Israel's safety. The aim is to eradicate Hamas, which is believed to be predominantly located in Northern Gaza, despite the awareness that civilians also reside there. The speaker suggests that Israel's strategy is to pressure the Palestinian community to turn against Hamas, comparing it to tactics used by terrorist organizations. However, Israel is commended for warning civilians before bombing, a practice not seen in other military forces. The speaker criticizes the dehumanizing language used by some individuals and highlights the perception of Israel as a victim while engaging in aggressive actions. The relationship with Israel is likened to being in a relationship with a narcissistic psychopath.

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The speaker criticizes the response of the "woke left" to the recent terror attack in Israel, accusing them of supporting the murder, rape, and torture of innocent civilians. They argue that the left has turned a blind eye to the actions of Hamas and effectively supported their goals. The speaker believes that calling for a ceasefire demonstrates ignorance of the Middle East's history and politics and a lack of empathy for the threat faced by Jews and Israel. They claim that Hamas wants to wipe out all Jews and that the war in Israel is everyone's war. The speaker also criticizes those in Britain who march in support of Palestine, calling it an assault on the values of democracy and tolerance.

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The speaker expresses concern about Israel's actions in targeting Hamas, as it results in civilian casualties and may lead to radicalization among Palestinians. The other speaker argues that if Israel does nothing, they will be attacked, and questions the assumption that there is a peaceful population in Gaza. They mention an incident where ordinary Gazans mistreated the body of a German Jewish girl. The conversation then touches on the concept of collective punishment and the responsibility of the Gaza population for electing Hamas. The unique situation of Gaza's population, particularly the high number of children, is mentioned. The speaker also compares Hamas to the Nazis, highlighting the difference in how they view their actions. They emphasize the need for the world, including Britain, to take Hamas seriously and support Israel.

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The speaker expresses their frustration with the perception of the situation in Gaza. They argue that what is happening in Gaza is not awful, but rather Israel is doing them a favor. They criticize Israeli supporters who apologize for the situation and emphasize that Palestinians should also feel sorry for what happened in Israel. The speaker mentions that only 13% of Palestinians are against what happened in Israel and highlights the actions of Hamas in committing violent acts. They urge people to wake up and realize that Hamas represents the Palestinians.

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The speaker discusses the dismantling of Hamas and argues that if Hamas is to be dismantled for its actions, then the Israeli government should also be dismantled multiple times for its own actions. They mention past operations and the number of Israeli hostages, as well as the number of casualties in Gaza. The speaker emphasizes the need for a single standard and asks for the speaker's opinion on the matter.

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The speaker blames the international community, particularly Britain, for the ongoing bloodshed in Israel. They argue that the international community has given Israel the freedom to commit war crimes. The speaker believes that Israel's actions are not just self-defense, but an expansion of their territory and the creation of an apartheid regime. They express anger and shock at the Israeli army's brutality, especially towards children. The speaker emphasizes the importance of recognizing Palestinians as people and calls for negotiations, lifting the siege on Gaza, and sharing the land between Israelis and Palestinians to end the cycle of violence.

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The conflict between Israel and Hamas is portrayed as a battle between civilization and savagery, good and evil. The speaker emphasizes that Hamas is solely responsible for the loss of lives in this conflict. They also mention the importance of acknowledging Iran's involvement and express the need to take necessary action against these "monsters."

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The speaker questions the concept of the "right to return," arguing that historically, nations have always pillaged other countries without restitution. They claim Rhodesia and the Empire were taken and not given back. They believe singling out Israel as a pariah state is unfair, stating what Israel has was given, not taken. The speaker criticizes the United Nations as corrupt and compares its usefulness to the Eurovision Song Contest. They highlight the disproportionate number of resolutions against Israel compared to other nations like Syria, China, and Russia, even on issues like women's rights, while ignoring countries with oppressive practices. They suggest this situation is absurd and ripe for satire.

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In this video, the speaker asks two questions about the number of rockets fired by Palestinian militant groups towards Israel and the number of people killed as a result. They reveal that 36,000 rockets and mortar shells were launched over 23 years, resulting in the deaths of 69 people, along with some animals. The speaker argues that it is absurd to believe that these groups have the capability to kill hundreds of people with a single rocket. They also highlight the stark asymmetry between the arsenals of Hamas and the Israeli army, emphasizing Israel's superior military power. The speaker accuses the Israeli government of lying about their actions and calls out the international community for enabling the suffering of Palestinians.

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The speaker questions why people raise the Palestinian flag in protest but remain silent when Arabs are killed by other Arabs. They accuse those protesting of hating Jews and suggest that their actions are driven by this hatred rather than genuine concern. The speaker also mentions the lack of proportionality in raising the Palestinian flag and suggests that there may be another agenda at play.

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Speaker 0 questions the idea of proportionality and calls for a ceasefire, but wonders how one can agree to it when faced with the killing of babies, rape, burning of women, and beheading of a child. They argue that the response to the October 7 massacre should be the total destruction of Hamas, as it is not only Israel's right but also their duty for survival. They emphasize that the free world should never forget what happened on October 7th, as this barbaric terror could reach everyone's doorstep in the future.

The Rubin Report

Host Asks Douglas Murray How Israel Should Respond & His Answer Is Brutal
Guests: Douglas Murray
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On October 16, 2023, Dave Rubin discusses the rapidly shifting narrative surrounding the Israel-Hamas conflict, emphasizing the media's quick transition from supporting Israel to criticizing its military response. He highlights the ongoing protests, particularly on college campuses, linking them to movements like BLM, which he claims now support Hamas. Rubin expresses concern over the media's portrayal of Israel's actions, arguing that no other nation is held to the same standard of "proportional response" as Israel, especially in light of the atrocities committed by Hamas. Douglas Murray, a guest on the show, critiques the obsession with proportionality in warfare, arguing that it is unrealistic and morally absurd to expect Israel to respond in kind to the brutal attacks it has faced. He emphasizes that Hamas's objective is to kill civilians, contrasting it with Israel's efforts to minimize civilian casualties. Murray also calls for stricter measures against Hamas supporters in the UK, equating them with supporters of ISIS. Rubin further discusses the implications of recent protests, noting the stark differences between pro-Hamas demonstrations and those supporting Israel. He highlights the hypocrisy of institutions like Harvard in allowing such protests while suppressing other viewpoints. The conversation touches on the broader implications of immigration policies and the challenges of maintaining Western values amid rising extremism. Rubin concludes by acknowledging the importance of distinguishing between civilized societies and those that promote violence, urging a reevaluation of how the West addresses these issues.
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