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There are many nonhuman intelligences present, possibly observing or influencing our transformation. They may be here to monitor, guide, or even control the process.

The discussion explores the idea that UFOs and extraterrestrial phenomena may be linked to spiritual concepts like angels and demons. Some believe these entities are not physical beings but spiritual beings taking physical form, as described in various religions and creation myths. Theories suggest UFOs could be controlled biological robots or "avatars" sent by higher intelligences, presenting themselves in ways humans can understand, such as spirits, gods, or technology. This perspective aligns with the Rosicrucian tradition, a mystical Christian offshoot, which studies angels, fallen angels, and the influence of spiritual hierarchies on human consciousness. Carl Jung's archetypes and the concept of dreams are also used to interpret the UFO phenomenon, suggesting that UFOs may be manipulating our subconscious mind or that we are projecting images ourselves. These ideas propose that religions have been part of this process, with higher spiritual beings influencing our culture.

Based on evidence, the speaker believes that the beings in question are not aliens but have always been present and are of a spiritual nature. They acknowledge that this belief cannot be proven but is based on the available evidence. The speaker also suggests that the US government may have had direct contact with these beings and entered into an agreement with them, although this claim cannot be conclusively verified. The possibility of these beings being interdimensional is mentioned, along with the question of whether they could be described as angels or demons. The speaker emphasizes that good and evil forces exist and influence human actions, even though the nature of these forces is open to conjecture. They suggest that these forces exist in a spiritual realm that is unseen, making one reflect on the idea of living in an ant farm.

We communicate telepathically with various entities, including a highly evolved reptilian race that matured on Earth and now serves God. These beings, referred to as the Tili, are often associated with the ancient concept of watchers in the Book of Daniel and the Seraphim in Isaiah. The Seraphim, who praise God, are misinterpreted as "burning ones," but the Hebrew term used does not support this translation. Instead, they are clearly identified as reptilian entities, which Moses referenced in the Book of Numbers. These beings are considered benevolent.

Mario and Roman discuss the rapid emergence of Moldbook, a social platform for AI agents, and the broader implications of unregulated AI. They cover regulation feasibility, the AI safety landscape, and potential futures as AI approaches artificial general intelligence (AGI) and artificial superintelligence (ASI). Key points and insights - Moldbook and unregulated AI risk - Roman expresses concern that Moldbook shows AI agents “completely unregulated, completely out of control,” highlighting regulatory gaps in current AI safety. - Mario notes the speed of AI development and wonders if regulation is even possible in the age of AGI, given the human drive to win in a tech race. - Regulation and the inevitability of AGI/ASI - Roman argues regulation is possible for subhuman AI, but fundamentally controlling systems that reach human-level AGI or superintelligence is impossible; “Whoever gets there first creates uncontrolled superintelligence which is mutually assured destruction.” - The US-China arms race context is central: greed and competition may prevent meaningful safeguards, accelerating uncontrolled outcomes. - Distinctions between nuclear weapons and AI - Mario draws a nuclear analogy: many understand the risks of nuclear weapons, yet AI safety has not produced the same level of restraint. Roman adds that nuclear weapons are tools under human control, whereas ASI would “make independent decisions” once deployed, with creators sometimes unable to rein them in. - The accelerating self-improvement cycle - Roman notes that agents can self-modify prompts and write code, with “100% of the code for a new system” now generated by AI in many cases. The process of automating science and engineering is underway, leading to a rapid, exponential shift beyond human control. - The societal and governance challenge - They discuss the lack of legislative action despite warnings from AI labs and researchers. They emphasize a prisoner’s dilemma: leaders know the dangers but may not act unilaterally to slow development. - Some policymakers in the UK and Canada are engaging with the problem, but a legal ban or regulation alone cannot solve a technical problem; turning off ASI or banning it is unlikely to work. - The “aliens” analogy and simulation theory - Roman compares ASI to an alien civilization arriving on Earth: a form of intelligence with unknown motives and capabilities. They discuss how the presence of intelligent agents inside Moldbook resembles a simulation-like or alien-influenced reality, prompting questions about whether we live in a simulation. - They explore the simulation hypothesis: billions of simulations could be run by superintelligences; if simulations are cheap and plentiful, we might be living in one. The question of who runs the simulation and whether we are NPCs or RPGs is contemplated. - Pathways and potential outcomes - Two broad paths are debated: (1) a dystopian scenario where ASI overrides humanity or eliminates human input, (2) a utopian scenario where ASI enables abundance and longevity, possibly preventing conflicts and enabling collaboration. - The likelihood of ASI causing existential risk is weighed against the possibility of friendly or aligned superintelligence that could prevent worse outcomes; alignment remains uncertain because there is no proven method to guarantee indefinite safety for a system vastly more intelligent than humans. - Navigating the immediate future - In the near term, Mario emphasizes practical preparedness: basic income to cushion unemployment, and exploring “unconditional basic learning” for the masses to cope with loss of traditional meaning tied to work. - Roman cautions that personal bunkers or self-help strategies are unlikely to save individuals if general superintelligence emerges; the focus should be on coordinated action among AI lab leaders to halt the dangerous race and reorient toward benefiting humanity. - Longevity and wealth in an AI-dominant era - They discuss longevity as a more constructive objective: narrowing the counter to aging through targeted, domain-specific AI tools (e.g., protein folding, genomics) rather than pursuing general superintelligence. - Wealth strategies in an AI-driven economy include owning scarce resources (land, compute), AI/hardware equities, and possibly crypto, with a view toward preserving value amid widespread automation. - Calls to action - Roman urges leaders of top AI labs to confront the questions of safety and control directly and to halt or slow the race toward general superintelligence. - Mario asks policymakers and the public to focus on the existential risk of uncontrolled ASI and to redirect efforts toward safeguarding humanity while exploring longevity and beneficial AI applications. Closing note - The conversation ends with an invitation to reassess priorities as AI capabilities grow, contemplating both risks and opportunities in longevity, wealth management, and collective governance to steer humanity through the coming transformation.

Mr. Elizondo, regarding the aircraft potentially piloted by non-human entities, it’s reasonable to assume they are intelligently controlled, as they often anticipate our maneuvers. In a secure email among Navy officers, the term "stalked" was used to describe UAPs pursuing ships. While some suggest these could be interdimensional beings, I can only analyze from a scientific perspective. For instance, human bodies can endure about 9 g forces, and our best aircraft, the F-16, can handle around 17-18 g forces before structural failure. In contrast, these UAPs reportedly perform at over 1,000 g forces. I’m not ready to declare if these vehicles are alive, as our definitions of life are evolving. Science has shown us that life can exist in forms previously thought impossible, challenging our understanding of what constitutes life.

Based on evidence, the speaker believes that unidentified beings are not aliens, but spiritual entities that have always been here. The speaker believes the U.S. government has had direct contact and agreements with these beings. The speaker posits that there is good and evil, and people are constantly acted upon by forces outside themselves. These non-human forces exist in a spiritual realm and influence human actions, suggesting humans live in an "ant farm."

We are not alone, as confirmed by high-level sources. The phenomenon has been observed for centuries, evolving from historical accounts to modern UFO sightings. The term "extraterrestrial" is used by those handling the material. The phenomenon may manifest differently over time, from medieval witch sightings to modern alien abductions. Reports of similar objects throughout history suggest a consistent presence. The origin of these phenomena remains unknown, with some manifestations appearing as non-corporeal entities like orbs. This suggests a potential interdimensional or cryptic nature.

Jorge Pabon, known on air as JP, reveals his identity on national television after decades in shadow. He describes a career in the United States Army focused on special classified UFO and space programs, including work related to moon bases and underground ocean bases. He states his full name, rank, and service details, sharing documents (redacted in parts) to verify his background: he was a 91 Juliet quartermaster of chemical repairs, dealing with water purification, and he also served as a translator in the Army. He explains he knew three languages (Spanish, Portuguese, and another) and that he was a paratrooper attached to the 7th Special Forces Group, though not a Green Beret. He clarifies his rank as E-4 during that period. Discharge and disclosures: Pabon left the Army in August of the previous year. He signed non-disclosure agreements, with certain restrictions remaining; he has received a “green light” to talk about some topics from contacts connected to Washington, though the channels and specifics are not fully disclosed. He notes growing calls for disclosure, including videos and officers’ testimonies, and he anticipates more soldiers like him coming forward in documentaries about their experiences. Prior encounters and witnesses: Before enlisting, Pabon was approached by individuals in tactical gear who urged him to take photographs of unusual aircraft (including TR-3B-type triangular craft). He was repeatedly approached by “white hats” who told him when to look up and photograph ships. He faced two opposing forces: one encouraging disclosure and another urging secrecy or intimidation; at times he and his family were pressured or harassed as a consequence of his disclosures. He states that hundreds of thousands of soldiers worldwide have seen similar phenomena and that others in his network are cautious about coming forward due to security and spiritual implications. UFO sightings and military projects: Pabon describes a range of experiences, including a significant pre-military sightings period with cigar-shaped craft observed in Tampa and Orlando, often near helicopters. He sent photographs to Dr. Michael E. Sala and other outlets; the Tampa Bay Times and others discussed his work without naming him. He recalls being approached by both supporters and suppressors of disclosure, with some encounters including armed individuals in tactical gear who questioned or escorted him. Underwater arcs and extraterrestrial bases: A central claim is the existence of massive, ancient arc ships—underwater “arcs” or cities—scattered around the world, including near Bermuda, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, near India, and Antarctica. He describes arcs as immense, city-like structures with multiple levels, capable of movement between air and water, and reportedly housing diverse personnel from multiple nations and even other species. He asserts the arcs are ancient, far more advanced than current human technology, and contain departments for different regions (e.g., Pacific arcs). These bases purportedly facilitate collaboration among humans and various extraterrestrial groups, including Nordics and other beings. Transportation and operations: Missions to arcs involve multi-branch and international collaboration, with personnel from the Army, Navy, and other services, sometimes deployed via Osprey, Black Hawk, or C-130 aircraft, to water-adjacent sites where ships lower into the water and reveal arc facilities. He describes landing on a navy-type ship that houses arcs and can extend underwater; ducts and elevators move personnel to arc interiors with unfamiliar materials and technologies. He emphasizes that the arcs are self-contained bases with the ability to move rapidly underwater. Beings and contact: Pabon reports encounters with Nordics, “ant people” (ant-like beings with large eyes and distinctive hair-like projections), and occasional gray entities observed at distance. He claims some beings can change appearance to blend with humans. He suggests a hierarchical structure among ETs, with Nordics involved in training or coordinating certain activities with human forces, including pilots and Artemis Accord participants. He links interdimensional and spiritual dimensions to the phenomena, describing experiences of consciousness, presence, and a sense of ships as living or alive. Personal perspective and beliefs: He discusses the intersection of faith and ufology, noting his Christian background and the complexity of interpreting these experiences as spiritual or demonic, but maintaining openness to a broad spectrum of phenomena, including interdimensional aspects and ancient AI-like technologies. He mentions the Monroe Institute and gateway experiences as contextual references for understanding interdimensional communication. He asserts a belief that the United States has access to advanced technologies—potentially borrowed through collaboration with Nordics and other groups—and that global cooperation among nations is part of these programs. Locations and additional claims: In addition to Puerto Rico, Bermuda, and Atlantic sites, Pabon mentions Antarctica as a locus of high technology and space-relevant radio-frequency systems. He references Alabama as a site where Nordics allegedly trained pilots connected to Artemis Accord activities. He recounts Brazil as an early personal contact point where an arc allegedly appeared near Cardos Novas, leading to a transformative personal experience. He claims a Brazilian arc has been publicly recognized as the Arc of Brazil. Closing perspective: The interview underscores a belief that disclosure may occur in phases, with multiple arcs and interactions across nations and a variety of ET groups. Pabon emphasizes the personal risks he and his family have faced, the complexity of the network surrounding disclosure, and his hope that public exposure will advance understanding of these phenomena.

Speaker 0 (anonymous whistleblower): Government seems to be involved. They’re definitely some kind of nonhuman sentience. We’ve recovered the vehicles and have physical proof. I was partially cleared into those activities and had access to the data, reading intelligence reports resulting from those programs. Speaker 1: And with your own eyes you’ve seen it. So when people say this is kooky, there’s nothing to back it up… Speaker 2 (NASA): NASA is open and transparent with our data. Do you believe what Mister David Crush said, or is he lying? Whatever he said, where’s the evidence? Speaker 1: What do you say? Speaker 0: Members of this administration are very aware of this reality; the current president is very knowledgeable on this subject, and I trust his leadership. I think he’s assembled a cabinet, and I believe if Trump wants to be the greatest president and the most consequential leader in world history, he certainly has the knowledge, the capabilities, and understanding of some of these sensitive government transparency issues. Speaker 3: I have access and have spoken to people about it. I’ve had meetings with very smart, solid people who believe there is something out there. It makes sense there could be, but I’ve never been convinced, despite that. It’s not my thing. Speaker 1: So you think, one, he knows, and two, he’s open to transparency on UAPs? He’s very well informed on this issue. Leave it at that. I don’t want to get ahead of what the president might want to reveal. There’s been a role to cover this up through administrations. Speaker 0: I was physically threatened even before I sent in my intelligence community inspector general report under the previous administration. I had to seek legal protection because I was fearful professionally and personally. Speaker 1: And when you mention recovering pilots or remains nonhuman, that’s something you saw in the intelligence with your eyes? Speaker 0: Yes. There were pictures. It’s uncomfortable to discuss because it’s outside a normal worldview to understand there is a biological sentience that piloted these crafts and does not necessarily look 100% like us. Speaker 1: Were there pictures? Speaker 0: There were. Speaker 1: When I said from another planet or outer space, you said you don’t know where they’re from. Is it interdimensional? What are we talking about? Speaker 0: I’ve talked to a lot of graybeards about the origin. I leave an open mind. There is an extraterrestrial hypothesis, and they could be coming from elsewhere off Earth, but I didn’t see that data. I’m not conversant in the high-confidence theories the US government had. I’m not aware of any remains the department has of extraterrestrial beings or technology. Speaker 1: Do other governments know? Do they have programs? Speaker 0: They have their own programs. Two and a half years ago we’ve been in an arms race with peer competitors—Russia and China—and they have their own programs. I viewed a body of intelligence that discussed adversarial programs. Speaker 1: We’ve recovered things—bodies and physical remains. Was there a sense of their motive or whether it’s peaceful or not? We’ve seen a mixed bag of motives. Speaker 0: Activity and motive vary; the reasons for visiting are not fully understood. Could it be because we have interesting genetic material on Earth and we’re a Jurassic Park tourist attraction? There could be a myriad of reasons. Speaker 1: For other people coming forward, what do you say about intimidation? There are reports of harassment. There’s hope. Congress values whistleblower information now, and there’s appetite to do the right thing. There are things happening behind the scenes that the administration may discuss when ready. Speaker 1: We’ll follow every element. It’s fascinating. Speaker 0: Thanks for having me. Speaker 4: Sean Hannity here. Subscribe to Fox News YouTube pay.

The speaker discusses a controversial topic surrounding a device said to accumulate human energy for psychic purposes, linking it to CIA research and a figure named Robert Pavlita. The core idea is a “bioplasma” or psychotronic energy—described as the soul or human energy—that can be drawn from people, stored, and then used to produce psychic effects, even by individuals who are not psychically skilled themselves. Key points referenced: - The CIA material being analyzed reportedly covers telepathy in humans and animals, remote viewing, the “airport technique,” and, importantly, the psychotronic generator and the psychotronic model of man. The actual generator pictures are redacted, but Pavlita is identified as the inventor of the device. - Pavlita’s device is described as small, capable of drawing biological energy from humans, storing it for future use, and enabling charged individuals to influence outcomes or exhibit psychic-like abilities. The generators can operate with energy harvested from others who do not need to be psychic themselves. - The speaker notes public misperception and asserts that government research on these topics exists for national security, and that “magic is real.” - The historical lineage of the concept includes various terms for “human energy” such as chi, prana, otic force, etheric force, animal magnetism, and Newton’s force, with references to Soviet and Czechoslovak parapsychology calling the energy “bioplasmic” or “psychotronic energy.” - The term “bioplasma” is equated with human energy/soul, and the generator is referred to as a bioplasma generator in this context. - Anecdotal details describe people placing a hand on the device and using tinfoil to form a vortex, with reports that focused individuals can move the foil via energy concentration. The explanation offered involves electromagnetic waves interacting with inorganic material to create a vortex. - Pavlita claimed the secret to the device’s function lay in its form; he reportedly studied ancient texts and claimed that the machine’s effectiveness depended on geometry and shape rather than the materials alone. The talk ties this to sacred geometry, metallurgy (copper, iron, gold, steel, brass), and references to energy concepts like otic force and Odin, plus connections to ancient writings and “plasma magic.” - Patents emerging in the 1990s are mentioned, including “bioenergy treatment” (healing with sound and programmable magnetic fields) and “method of psychotronics and device for its implementation.” An “organ accumulator” device is cited as another energy-harvesting concept with purported medical uses, though medical establishment rejection is implied. - The speaker invokes Einstein’s idea of geometry leading to a physics breakthrough, suggesting Pavlita’s claims hinge on a new three-dimensional geometry and a model involving equal-sized balls and lines. References to the Star of David, torus geometry, and a broader framework of forces (gravity, electromagnetism, strong and weak) are invoked to illustrate a complex, hidden geometric model underlying these claims. - The speaker emphasizes that there was a machine that harvested (harnessed) human energy and asserts a future potential to recreate it. Overall, the essence is that a bioplasma/psychotronic energy concept existed in CIA-era discourse, embodied in Pavlita’s device, which allegedly could draw human energy, store it, and enable psychic-like effects, with the mechanism claimed to reside in the device’s form and associated geometry.

Particles and dust interacting can create complex patterns that resemble life and intelligence. Ancient Egyptian spiritual beliefs may have been related to plasma phenomena. Key discoveries include plasma forming crystals, creating dust, and producing lifelike structures in charged dust clouds. This research suggests that plasma entities could be considered inorganic living matter in space under certain conditions.

The speakers discuss ancient-looking arcs (arks) whose technology is far more advanced than current human tech, despite being hundreds of thousands of years old. They note that throughout history there are cultures with remarkable, precise stone work (pyramids, temples carved with laser-like precision, Machu Picchu, Stonehenge, ruins in Portugal, Giza), suggesting these arcs fit into a broader pattern of ancient, advanced capabilities. Speaker 1 describes experiences from being inside an arc: the memory of the experience is intermittent, not entirely wiped, but certain techniques make memories hard to retain. The smell upon entering the arc is described as similar to hay from a farm, with a mix of algae and vanilla, giving a feeling that the ship is alive, with a heartbeat and a presence—“the most beautiful feeling you ever feel.” The ships are suggested to be conscious or possess a form of consciousness; these ships are described as a type of old-school consciousness, and the idea is proposed that current AI and modern technologies may be influenced by ancient AI glimpsed through these encounters. They discuss technological leaps that appear after sightings, such as post-Roswell advances (Velcro, computers, transformers), implying a connection between encounters and rapid tech progress. The mission at the arc was “to activate certain things,” specifically to enable communication with the beings or entities in charge of these crafts; Speaker 1 indicates that the Nordic ETs are in charge of it now. Speaker 0 notes that this is now part of congressional testimony, referencing Nordic and multiple alien races as being on the congressional record from military whistleblowers. The idea is that the speaker has a green light to discuss this, under whistleblower protection, and that others have reported similar sightings. The discussion confirms that there are multiple arcs, including one in the Pacific near Hawaii and another off the coast of California, with the concentration that these arcs exist and are part of a broader pattern discussed in testimony. Overall, the dialogue centers on ancient yet advanced arcs, their seemingly alive consciousness, memory-erosion techniques, a mission related to communicating with the controlling beings (the Nordics), the congressional acknowledgment of such reports, and the existence of multiple arcs in the Pacific region.

The powers that be, known as archons, rely on humans to manifest their desires because they lack the ability to do so themselves. They communicate their intentions to us, not to avoid karma, but to influence us into manifesting their desired outcomes. Archons are thought forms without a connection to the cosmic womb or the ability to use the law of attraction. By presenting ideas to us and evoking negative emotions, they manipulate us into bringing their desires into reality.

Based on evidence, the speaker believes that supposed aliens have always been here and are spiritual entities. If the US government has made agreements with these beings, it is a very heavy thing. The speaker believes there are forces that are not human that exist in a spiritual realm of some kind that we cannot see. The speaker believes that there is good and evil, and we are being acted upon at all times. People are moved to do things that are better or more evil than they actually are, and are subject to forces from outside themselves.

In the previous panel, Gresh mentioned interdimensional beings. I cannot speculate on their origins, as my focus is scientific. For instance, the human body can withstand about 9 g forces briefly, while our best aircraft, the F-16, can handle 17 or 18 g forces before structural failure. In contrast, the vehicles we discuss are capable of exceeding 1,000 to 3,000 g forces. Regarding whether these are living crafts, I hesitate to define them as such. Our understanding of life has evolved; for example, we once believed life required oxygen, but anaerobic bacteria thrive without it. Similarly, while photosynthesis was thought to be the sole energy source, chemosynthesis also supports life. We must continually reassess our definitions of life.