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Speaker 0 asks Speaker 1 about their recent interview with the FBI and if it was a deposition. Speaker 1 claims to not know what they are referring to and suggests discussing it offline. Speaker 0 questions if Speaker 1 has had any interviews with the FBI since becoming secretary of state, to which Speaker 1 avoids giving a direct answer. Speaker 0 then brings up the State Department turning over documents related to Hunter Biden, Burisma, and Blue State Strategies Corporation, but Speaker 1 does not provide any information. Speaker 0 tries to refocus the discussion on Afghanistan, but Speaker 1 continues to avoid answering questions.

Speaker 0 accuses Speaker 1 of being a corrupt politician. Speaker 1 responds by mentioning that 50 former national intelligence officials and the heads of the CIA have dismissed the accusations as false. Speaker 0 dismisses this as another Russia hoax. Speaker 1 tries to steer the conversation back to the issue of race.

The discussion centers on accusations about government actions and the handling of whistleblowers. Speaker 0 argues that the FBI is examining the situation “to chill speech” and to silence Democratic members of Congress and other elected leaders who speak out against Trump. According to Speaker 0, the motive is to stop them from speaking out. Speaker 1 pushes back by asking for clarification, wondering what exactly should be stopped. The question arises: “Stop what?” and “you’re saying that you believe that inherent in the video is that Donald Trump has given illegal orders.” Speaker 0 responds that he will speak about Congress’s role in whistleblower protections, noting that there have been whistleblowers in the Biden administration as well as in past administrations. He emphasizes that Congress has a responsibility to ensure that whistleblowers inside the federal government and the military have protections, wherever they are located in government. Speaker 1 suggests that the message might be read as Democrats encouraging the military to defy the commander in chief over current orders that cannot be named, but Speaker 0 contests this reading, implying a misinterpretation of the message. In trying to clarify, Speaker 0 states: “Here's what I believe. I believe that regardless of the president, no one in our military should actually follow through with unconstitutional orders.” He asserts this as his belief, though he concedes uncertainty about other specifics: “I’m saying regardless. I don’t know. Regardless of justice. I’m not. I’m not understanding.” Throughout, the exchange centers on the tension between protecting whistleblowers and the implications of political messaging about the president and military obedience. Speaker 0 maintains that Congress must safeguard whistleblower protections across federal government and military contexts, citing the Biden administration as an example and noting similar protections have occurred in other administrations. Speaker 1 probes the interpretation of the video and the intent behind messages that might appear to call for disobeying orders or challenging the president, while Speaker 0 reiterates a belief in the obligation to refuse unconstitutional orders, independent of which president is in office.

The exchange centers on accusations of hyperbolic statements and the accuracy of quoted posts. Speaker 0 challenges Speaker 1's credibility, citing a series of posts and asking whether the statements were read correctly. - On 02/11/2026, Speaker 0 cites a Blueski post: “my words or your words, not mine. The democrats video telling service members to ignore illegal orders didn't go far enough. They should have also urged them to refuse unethical orders, whether illegal or not. There are many things deemed legal that are still obviously unethical, and everyone should hold themselves to this higher law,” and asks, “Did I read that correctly?” Speaker 1 confirms reading it and asks if Speaker 0 disagrees with it, questioning whether people should do unethical things in their capacity of [unknown context]. - On 12/31/2025, Speaker 0 references a post reading, “in front of god and country. … They referring to Republicans think they control their way into us accepting ethnic cleansing,” and asks, “Did I read that correctly?” Speaker 1 responds that it related to a DHS security post advocating a 100,000,000 deportations, stating that “A 100,000,000 deportations would be ethnic cleansing,” adding, “You would be True. One third of the country. So, yes, there are people within the Department of Homeland security.” Speaker 0 asks whether this is hyperbolic and requests more time. - On 02/05 (implied), Speaker 1 notes, “advocating a 100,000,000” but the sentence is cut off in the transcript. Speaker 0 comments, “reputations is … cleansing,” while continuing to engage in the discussion with the chair and audience; Speaker 0 asks for thirty more seconds. - On 03/02, Speaker 0 quotes Speaker 1: “if you rule against Trump's population purge agenda, no hyper permanently there, the nativists will name you, threaten you, and come after you. These judges are much braver than the ICE agents who hide behind masks while violating the constitution. They are much braver.” Speaker 1 clarifies, “They put their names on their rulings, and they stand behind their constitutional rulings. When I talk about population purge, I'm talking about the fact that they're trying to deport US born citizens, people born here. They are trying to deport them as well. So it's not a mass deportation agenda. It is also an agenda intended to reduce the population of The United States, including US born people.” - Speaker 0 responds, “Thank you.” Speaker 1 adds, “These are not hyperbolic statements. I appreciate you reading my account. Here's the good news.” The conversation escalates in tone as Speaker 0 interjects with disbelief, asking, “What planet … parachute him from?” Speaker 1 replies, “No. No.” Speaker 0 comments, “Hey, guys. You're you you You trigger my gag reflex,” and Speaker 1 closes with, “Mr. Bieber.”

Speaker 0 asked how many Afghans have been admitted to the United States through parole since the fall of Kabul, and whether the administration will review each individual’s status on a case-by-case basis as the two-year parole period expires. Speaker 1 replied that he would be pleased to provide the data but does not have it at the moment. Speaker 0 asserted that 70,192 Afghans were brought to the United States and placed on parole for two years, and again pressed the question of whether each individual’s status would be reviewed on a case-by-case basis as parole periods come to an end. Speaker 1 described the program as Operation Allies Welcome, a government initiative designed to provide refuge for many individuals. He stated that they were screened and vetted by government personnel and that they were brought in on categorical parole. When parole periods are subject to renewal, he said, they will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. Speaker 0 then referenced Fort McCoy in his state, noting that two years earlier the commander there said individuals were not interviewed on a case-by-case basis. He argued that Afghanistan, a region described as a terror hotbed, should have used the Special Immigrant Visa process, but the previous administration did not route those who came in from Afghanistan through the SIV. He asked about the damage caused at Fort McCoy during the period when more than 12,000 Afghans arrived. Speaker 1 responded by reiterating that the individuals who benefited from Operation Allies Welcome were indeed screened and vetted by government personnel and were brought in on categorical parole, not through the Special Immigrant Visa process. He then stated that Fort McCoy sustained $145,600,000 in damage and that the place was virtually destroyed. He concluded the exchange with a brief transition, signaling a move to another topic.

Official A states that in 2022, the office found that president Biden's DHS allowed some Afghans into the country before they were fully vetted, including one who had been liberated from prison by the Taliban. Official A notes that over 50 known or suspected terrorists had entered the United States as a result of Biden administration screening or lack thereof, and that last month the director of national intelligence said that 2,000 Afghans in America may have ties to terrorism. Official A asks whether a formal vetting process was in place, and asserts that the department did not have a formal process at the start of the OAW. Official A repeats the figure and corrects it to 36,000, calling it astounding. Official B replies that CARE, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, is the organization in question, stating that CARE was founded at a 1993 meeting and that they specifically state they are going to present themselves as a legitimate civil rights organization while furthering the mission of Hamas. Official A asks how much money CARE received from the federal government to shepherd Afghan parolees. Official B responds that CARE received $15,000,000 in California and more than $1,000,000 in Washington. Official A adds that when they check federal databases for CARE, they find nothing, and Official B explains that the money did not go directly from the federal government to CARE, but rather through an intermediary, and that this is how they’ve hidden the money. Official A states, “We need to find out where this money has gone. This is a scandal. This is corruption, and we've gotta figure out how taxpayer money has ended up in the hands of yet another organization terrorized.”

Speaker 1 questions why radical transparency in elections wasn't proposed four years ago and accuses the former president of trashing the system for four years, stating there were dangerous consequences to the president's lies and that people died on January 6th. Speaker 0 claims the only person who died on January 6th was Ashley Babbitt, who was murdered. Speaker 1 acknowledges there were injuries. Speaker 0 asserts people who broke into the Capitol are responsible for their actions, not Donald Trump. Speaker 1 says they don't have to yell.

Speaker 0 questions Speaker 1 about investigating allegations, but Speaker 1 avoids commenting. Speaker 0 expresses concern on behalf of millions of Americans and criticizes Senate Democrats and the media for not addressing the evidence. Speaker 0 asks if the informant who accused Joe Biden of taking a bribe was previously relied upon by the FBI, but Speaker 1 evades a direct answer. Speaker 0 accuses Speaker 1 of refusing to answer and calls it disgraceful.

Speaker 1 confirmed signing a memo but denied being the author of the family separation policy. Speaker 1 stated they gave Secretary Nielsen numerous recommendations on how to secure the border and save lives. Speaker 2 claimed that Speaker 1 recommended family separation as option three. Speaker 1 stated they recommended zero tolerance, the same as when any US citizen parent gets arrested with a child. Speaker 2 stated that legal asylees are not charged with any crime. Speaker 1 stated that being in the country illegally is a violation and that if one wants to seek asylum, they should do it the legal way at the port of entry. Speaker 1 referred to a congresswoman as the dumbest ever to listen to congress.

Speaker 0 describes the situation as not a lone incident but an intentional design to start an internal component of what he calls a color revolution, one among many to expect. Speaker 1 asks for clarification on what is meant by a color revolution, who is driving it against the United States, and who is in charge. Speaker 0 replies that a hard look back to 2016 under Obama is necessary and believes Obama is still in the mix, with John Brennan as the operational commander on the battlefield in the United States. He says there are indicators from Brennan’s statements and actions, and that Obama is part of the command structure. He mentions an international component he calls the axis of resistance, consisting of communists emanating from the CCP’s control and communists inside the United States, arguing that there are communists in Congress who voted in 1992 not to vote against socialism. He adds Islamists, narco cartels, and terrorist groups such as Hamas, Hezbollah, FARC, and the Cartel del Sol as part of this axis, with people at the “pincer” of it organizing and controlling the activities. He asserts the color revolutions in Ukraine as an example and claims the war there is a “total loser war” that must end. He says Trump must tell his team to ensure executive orders are implemented at all levels and emphasizes the phrase, “lawyers advise, leaders decide,” urging President Trump to gather all relevant agencies (CIA, DNI, Sec War, Sec State, Sec Commerce, and especially the Secretary of Homeland Security) and make a decision. He states that the color revolution is a long-term effort that accelerated after Trump’s 2016 victory, with ongoing actions described as economic warfare, cyber warfare, and political interference. He cites the New Virginia Majority, a communist movement inside the United States aiming to place communists in local government and school boards, and mentions contrived cultural shifts including Islamification in various parts of the country, including Florida, Dearborn, and Houston. He asserts Islam is not compatible with Christianity and Sharia law is not compatible with constitutional law. Speaker 1 agrees there were people who served their country; she supports removing those who served but opposes letting any of them into the United States, emphasizing a different culture. Speaker 2 agrees. Speaker 1 notes the large Muslim population spread across many regions, suggesting others could have taken Afghan refugees, but questions the appropriateness of bringing them in. Speaker 2 states it is not surprising that a CIA-trained individual who previously appeared untroubled could appear in Washington, D.C. to shoot at troops, and explains a broader pattern: old-school descendants became part of a strike force, loyal at one time but funded and equipped by the U.S., who were later abandoned during the Obama–Biden period. He describes withdrawal from bases and overnight equipment removal, followed by a lack of transition to self-sufficiency, leading to brought-in desperate fighters who may be paid to kill National Guard members. He asserts these events demonstrate a deep state pattern involving Biden, Obama, and Brennan.

Speaker 0 asks if Democrats risk playing into the president's hands by focusing on the Kilmaro Burgo Garcia case. Speaker 1 responds that they don't know of any Democrat who defended Garcia. They claim Garcia was falsely arrested and removed from the country. They allege "they" are making up things about Garcia, such as associating him with MS 13 or claiming he coordinated the January 6 attack, even though he has never been prosecuted or convicted of any crime.

The speaker states that an historic flood of undocumented immigrants crossed the border during the first three years of the administration, with arrivals quadrupling from the last year of President Trump. The speaker asks if it was a mistake to loosen immigration policies. The other speaker responds that the policies proposed are about fixing a problem, not promoting one. The first speaker reiterates that the numbers quadrupled. The other speaker claims that they have cut the flow of illegal immigration by half, as well as the flow of fentanyl by half, but that Congress needs to act to fix the problem.

In the brief exchange, Speaker 0 challenges Speaker 1 on two linked political questions regarding January 6. Speaker 0 asks whether Speaker 1 is concerned about a new January 6 committee finding that could render him liable for events that day and questions why the National Guard was not requested or deployed on January 6. The underlying aim is to scrutinize accountability and preparedness for the events of that day. Speaker 1 responds directly, insisting that he did not refuse the National Guard and attributing responsibility to the absence of a request from the president. He adds a sharp retort to Speaker 0, suggesting that Speaker 0 is presenting Republican talking points and labeling him as “a serious journalist,” implying a critique of the line of questioning and framing. Speaker 0 closes the exchange by reaffirming the public’s interest, stating that “The American people wanna know.” He reiterates that there are ongoing questions that remain unanswered, signaling a continued demand for accountability or clarification from Speaker 1. Overall, the exchange centers on responsibility and timing surrounding the National Guard on January 6, with Speaker 1 asserting that neither he nor the president took the actions that would have prevented or altered what occurred, while Speaker 0 emphasizes the public’s continuing desire for answers in light of January 6 committee findings. The interaction highlights tension between seeking accountability for the events of that day and defending the actions or inactions of political figures involved.

The speakers discuss immigration and border security, questioning why the Biden administration doesn't secure the border. One speaker believes Biden has the executive authority to do so. They claim the asylum system is overwhelmed, with a significant backlog and increased immigration compared to 20 years ago, even more than during the Trump administration. They discuss the percentage of cases that result in deportation, suggesting that many asylum seekers are approved, even if their initial entry wasn't legal. Some enter legally on visitor visas and then apply for asylum when their status expires, which one speaker describes as a loophole. They also claim that the Democratic Party platform is influenced by whoever gives the most money to the party, resulting in control by special interests.

An Afghan national, who worked for the CIA in Afghanistan, was arrested for allegedly planning an election day terror plot. He was brought to the US after the collapse of Afghanistan. The reporter states that the agency claims it was through the SIV program, but the State Department denies this, stating he was never issued an SIV or immigrant visa and was paroled into the US by DHS. The reporter asks the secretary how the man was brought to the US, what screening he underwent, and what he applied for. The secretary declines to answer, stating he is there to discuss disaster relief efforts. The reporter presses, noting conflicting information from the agency and State Department. The reporter asks for assurance that appropriate steps have been taken to secure the country against threats, questioning whether the man was radicalized before or after entering the US.

The speaker claims that the biggest scandal was when their campaign was spied on, but the other person disagrees, saying there is no evidence. The speaker insists that it is all over the place and that it was bad for Biden. The other person explains that they can't put on things they can't verify. The speaker continues to assert that it has been verified and that they got caught. The other person denies knowing about it.

The speaker criticizes the Secretary's performance and accuses him of not providing answers. The Secretary responds by calling the implication despicable and defends the Department of Homeland Security. He also shares personal information about being the child of a Holocaust survivor. The speaker interrupts and asks for a response, but the chairman suggests moving on.

The speaker claims the Biden administration allowed people from prisons, jails, and mental institutions worldwide to enter the U.S. They allege these individuals included gang leaders and drug lords who were expelled from their home countries and sent to the U.S. border. The speaker applauds the troops for protecting federal property and personnel, and for upholding federal law. They state the troops are protecting ICE agents and the police in Los Angeles. The speaker says the head of the Los Angeles police acknowledged needing the help provided.

Was the withdrawal from Afghanistan successful? The evacuation led by the Department of Defense and State was historic in scale. However, when asked how many evacuees were vetted before boarding flights to the U.S., the response was unclear. It was stated that 100% of individuals arriving in the U.S. had been screened, but specific numbers for those boarding planes in Afghanistan were not provided. The claim was made that over 99% were fully vetted before boarding, but the speaker could not confirm details about the vetting process at Kabul Airport. Ultimately, there was a lack of clarity on the exact vetting numbers prior to boarding.

A speaker claims that in Britain, over a quarter of a million people have been issued non-crime hate incidents, and people are imprisoned for reposting memes and social media posts. They ask if the Trump administration would consider political asylum for British citizens in this situation. Speaker 1 responds that they have not heard this proposal or discussed it with the president, but they will speak to the national security team to see if the administration would entertain it.

The discussion centers on the Afghanistan withdrawal and the vetting of evacuees who boarded planes. The opening exchange frames the withdrawal as a historic evacuation led by the Department of Defense and the Department of State. The senator asks specifically how many of the evacuees were vetted before they got on the plane. The official responds by stating it is the policy to vet and screen evacuees for the United States. When the senator presses for a numerical figure, the official first indicates uncertainty about Afghanistan-specific cases but reiterates the policy. The senator clarifies the question: for those who got on the C-17s and other planes, how many were vetted before they boarded, by American officials? The official replies that for those brought to the United States, it is their policy to vet and screen 100% of them. The senator pushes for a precise, testable number, asking if the answer is a sworn 100%. The official reiterates the policy and adds that all of the individuals who arrived in the United States have been screened. The senator presses further, asking for the exact percentage, and the official begins to provide a quantified estimate: well over 99% of them were fully screened and vetted before they boarded a flight. The senator seeks sources for that information, but the official continues, noting that if any were not screened before boarding, they would have been screened and vetted while in flight, and if any derogatory information was found, they would be placed in immigration enforcement proceedings and removal. The senator then asks directly, under oath, whether the 99% figure refers to all people who got on the planes in Afghanistan. The official clarifies that precision is important and notes that the question being asked concerns planes from transit countries, the third country scenario, rather than the specific Afghan departures being discussed at that moment. The senator emphasizes the focus on people who got on the planes and left the chaotic airport, asking again for the percentage vetted before they got on those planes. The official ultimately asserts that he cannot speak to those planes from transit countries, but reiterates that the discussion about those who arrived in the United States involves screening and vetting, and that those arrivals have been screened. The exchange ends with the senator acknowledging the limitation, and the official indicating that he cannot provide a detailed accounting for the transpiring circumstances of planes from transit countries, while maintaining that those who arrived in the United States were screened.

President Biden wanted the speaker to be the last person in the room for big decisions, as he was for President Obama. The speaker confirmed they were the last person in the room for the Afghanistan decision. They also stated they feel comfortable with that.

Speaker 1 accuses the media of bias for not covering a supposed scandal involving Biden. Speaker 0 defends the need for verification. Speaker 1 claims the scandal can be verified due to a laptop. The conversation escalates with accusations of media bias and unfair questioning. The interview is abruptly ended.

Speaker 0 argues that military leadership requires accountability, and a hypothetical regular officer would be terminated for similar actions. Speaker 1 counters that Republicans aren't interested in lectures on military accountability after the Biden administration, claiming the bar for firing a Secretary of Defense is high, even after incidents involving casualties and going AWOL. Speaker 0 states that excusing the behavior is unacceptable. Speaker 1 clarifies that a mistake was made in communications, but operationally, things were handled correctly. Speaker 0 questions why free traffic isn't restored around the Red Sea. Speaker 1 asks why the Houthis are running wild and accuses the previous administration of using the right devices to talk about secrets, while Speaker 0 says the rebels are still harassing ships.

The speaker claims Jocelyn Mungari, Rachel Moran, and Laken Riley were killed by men released early in the administration due to a specific policy decision, predating any bipartisan bill or Donald Trump's involvement. They ask if the Vice President owes the families an apology. The Vice President acknowledges the tragic cases and the families' pain. They state that a border security bill from nine months prior would have provided more border agents and support. They claim the upcoming election will determine if the next president cares more about fixing the problem, even if it's not politically advantageous. A mother states that due to the Biden-Harris administration's open border policies, those who killed her daughter were released into the United States and enrolled in alternatives to detention. She believes the administration's policies are responsible for her daughter's death. The speaker asks again if the Vice President owes them an apology. The Vice President responds that they are sorry for her loss.