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The speaker claims that COVID vaccines had more risks than benefits. They argue that the risk of infection increased, while the risk of hospitalization and death from COVID remained unchanged. They also suggest that all-cause mortality increased due to the vaccines. The speaker criticizes the vaccines as one of the worst interventions in medical history. They mention global censorship, where those trying to speak the truth are censored. Additionally, they highlight immunity for drug companies and intimidation tactics, such as job loss or loss of credentials, against doctors who speak the truth.

Twenty percent of Americans did not take the COVID vaccine because it was not safe enough. The mRNA in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines has been chemically modified to resist breakdown by enzymes. The mRNA and spike protein are found in the heart and brain, and the spike protein circulates in the blood for six to nine months post-vaccination. The speaker claims the lethal part of the virus circulates in the blood of vaccinated individuals, especially after boosters, and that it is a killer protein. The speaker asserts safety trumps efficacy and objects to claims that vaccines, specifically the COVID-19 vaccine, saved millions of lives. They state that consent forms do not guarantee the vaccine will save lives and that there has never been a prospective, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial showing that COVID-19 vaccines reduce mortality or hospitalization.

The speaker claims adverse events from the vaccine rollout were covered up and dismissed as rare and coincidental. They state that regulators approved the vaccines based on relative risk data (95%), which they describe as misleading, while the absolute risk reduction was only 0.84%, meaning 120 people had to be vaccinated to prevent one infection. The speaker alleges that Pfizer has 31 convictions, including withholding data, presenting false data, and bribing clinicians and regulators. They claim over 100 doctors have written to various health organizations, including the NHS and MHRA, about the vaccine program, but received only one response. The speaker concludes that science is dead because discussion, analysis, and debate are no longer allowed, and decisions are being made without scientific basis.

The discussion revolves around the safety and efficacy of COVID vaccines. Speaker 0 believes vaccines have done more good than harm, citing personal experiences. Speaker 1 argues that vaccines did not reduce severity, hospitalization, or death, as the virus became milder and early treatment improved outcomes. They claim misclassification bias in reporting vaccine-related deaths and point to high post-vaccine mortality rates. Calls are made to remove vaccines due to safety concerns.

The speaker claims that in Pfizer's initial vaccine trial with 20,000 vaccinated and 20,000 unvaccinated participants, the vaccinated group had 23% more deaths from all causes than the placebo group after six months. The speaker states that the claim of 100% vaccine efficacy was based on the fact that two people in the placebo group died from COVID versus one person in the vaccine group. The speaker asserts that people believed the vaccine would prevent them from getting COVID, which they now realize is false.

The speaker claims the vaccine saved lives, specifically 100 to 1000 lives, while acknowledging side effects and breakthrough infections. The speaker asserts the vaccine stopped transmission and infection, but this claim is immediately challenged. The speaker repeats that it did stop transmission and infection. Another person denies this claim. The first speaker tells the other person to shut up and says they are done hearing their "little woman voice." The first speaker then denies making an ad hominem attack.

Speaker 0 asks Speaker 1 if they got the vaccination and if they are okay. Speaker 1 confirms they got vaccinated and that it worked. Speaker 0 then mentions trusted sources and compares it to finding out about the moon landing or aliens. Speaker 1 responds by saying that Speaker 0's statement is idiotic and lacks rational thought. Speaker 1 concludes by saying that nobody in the room gained anything from listening to it.

Speaker 0 argues that billions of people were injected with an experimental vaccine, stating “it wasn't a bloody just no. It wasn't.” He rejects the notion of it being definitive or perfect, emphasizing that “it wasn’t” in terms of being a flawless solution. Speaker 1 counters, asserting “It was no one isn’t,” suggesting confusion or contradiction in the prior claim and challenging the certainty of the statement. He adds that there is a lack of a 100% success rate and questions the ultimate aim, asking what the core purpose is when it comes to giving your body a training of the immune system and technology. Speaker 0 reinforces the complexity, noting that there were “different types” to contend with and that the fact that they weren’t the same technology matters. He agrees there are various types of vaccines or approaches, indicating there is diversity in the technology or formulations used. Speaker 1 concedes the existence of different types and technologies, acknowledging that “there are different types of” vaccines, and that “There are different technologies.” He identifies mRNA as a type of vaccine but Speaker 0 interrupts, insisting “No. It was” and continuing his line of reasoning about the distinctions between the technologies and their evolution. Speaker 1 acknowledges change, saying “like this, and now it's like this,” recognizing a progression or shift in the approach. Speaker 0 rejects the suggestion that the transition is simple or uniform, insisting “No. No. No. It was like this, and now it's like this.” He asserts that the mRNA technology represented a radical, qualitative leap forward in technology, a claim about the significance of the development. Speaker 0 contends that naming the technology as mRNA can be acceptable only in a limited sense; he says “You can call it if if you want to, but it bears very little resemblance to anything that went before that.” The rationale for the term mRNA is tied to branding: “The reason it was called a scene was because was a brand name that had a track record of safety, and shoehorning it in that was one of the ways to make sure that people weren't terrified of the technology.”

Speaker 0 questions the idea that Doctor Fauci is involved in a plot to kill millions, seeking clarity on the claim. Speaker 1 says they are reasonable and that Fauci is not an innocent bystander; he is aware of what he’s doing, but the extent of involvement is not known to them. Speaker 2 cites the Center for Countering Digital Hate, stating Dirashad Bhattar is one of the top spreaders of COVID disinformation, once with more than a million followers. Bhattar allegedly claimed “More people are dying from the COVID vaccine than from COVID,” and that “the Red Cross won’t accept blood from people who have had the COVID nineteen vaccine.” He posted that “most who took COVID vaccines will be dead by 2025,” and promoted the overarching conspiracy that COVID was a planned operation as part of a secret global plot to depopulate the earth. Speaker 0 asks if Speaker 2 believes the pandemic was planned; Speaker 2 confirms there is a suspicion of a plan to reduce the population, though Speaker 1 says they have no idea. Speaker 2 criticizes Bhattar, saying it would be laughable if it weren’t so dangerous and that Qatar (Qatar’s commentary) compares COVID and the vaccine to World War II and Doctor Anthony Fauci to Adolf Hitler. Speaker 1 pushes back by asking to what extent Fauci would be equated with Hitler. Speaker 3 asserts that lies cost lives in a pandemic, and that encouraging people not to vaccinate will cause people to lose their lives. Speaker 2 describes Qatar as encouraging distrust of life-saving vaccines and using false, twisted information and unproven conspiracies to do so. Speaker 0 asks if the COVID vaccine works. Speaker 1 states the vaccine is very effective at what it was designed for, but “it’s not preventing death. Certainly not.” Speaker 2 contradicts, claiming that Bhattar believes life-saving vaccines are more dangerous than the virus itself, and Speaker 1 asks why the vaccine would cause more deaths than the problem itself, noting 6,340,000,000 doses administered. Speaker 0 requests the completion of a sentence about what each vaccine is geared up for, but Speaker 1 says he’s not a vaccine developer and mentions “Scientific corruption.” Speaker 2 notes Qatar has been removed from Facebook and Instagram due to disinformation but remains on Twitter, Telegram, and his own site, filled with falsehoods. Speaker 0 recalls a September 5 retweet of a doctored AstraZeneca packaging photo suggesting the vaccine was made in 2018; Speaker 1 says the photo was perhaps fake, and questions why Speaker 0 would challenge the agencies that have caused deaths. Speaker 0 argues it’s reasonable to question agencies, noting Speaker 1 had 1,200,000 followers who received false information; Speaker 1 admits if a tweet with a doctor’s photo was sent in error, it was a mistake, and he cannot make mistakes on the numbers. Speaker 2 notes vaccine studies showing vaccines remain ninety percent effective in preventing hospitalization and death, while Qatar claims the vaccine is the danger. Speaker 1 counters that thousands are dying and the delta variant is “vaccine injured,” citing CDC data, which Speaker 0 disputes as not true. Speaker 1 asserts he does not want to be part of a mass genocide and suggests this era will be remembered as a worst time in history, even worse than World War II. Speaker 0 concludes by calling Speaker 1 crazy. Speaker 2 ends with a reference to North Carolina’s Board of Medicine reprimanding someone prior to COVID.

In the Pfizer trial, more people died who received the vaccine than the placebo. The clinical trial showed one life could be saved from COVID for every 22,000 people vaccinated. However, more people died in the trial from the vaccine itself. While vaccines may have saved 10,000 lives in a year, at least 150,000 people have been killed by the vaccine, according to VAERS data. The speaker claims that 150,000 deaths is the cost of saving 10,000 lives, and that the risk benefit is even worse for kids, where 117 kids are killed to save one life. Doctors are allegedly not allowed to talk about deaths caused by the vaccine.

Some people love the vaccines, while others hate them. The speaker acknowledges that vaccines have saved lives, but also mentions concerns about their safety. Reports vary on the effectiveness and problems with the vaccines, but the speaker claims to have saved 100 million lives. They argue that those who get very sick and go to the hospital are usually the ones who haven't taken the vaccine. The mainstream media is accused of stifling information about adverse reactions. The speaker believes the vaccines have saved millions of lives but criticizes the media for pausing the Johnson and Johnson vaccine over a small number of cases.

The transcript describes a contentious exchange about the COVID-19 vaccine and the roles of public health figures and political leaders. Key points include: - Speaker 0 asserts there was a “fake vaccine” pushed by Antony Fauci and Deborah Birx, accusing Trump of failing to fire them and allowing them to “destroy the said economy,” impose “fascist restrictions,” and promote a vaccine that Speaker 0 claims has “killed and maimed breathtaking numbers of people.” The vaccine is described as self-replicating and not proven safe or effective, with the period framed as Trump’s Christmas message in 2020 during Operation Warp Speed. - Speaker 1 counters that millions of doses of a safe and effective vaccine were delivered, thanking scientists, researchers, manufacturing workers, and service members, calling it a “Christmas miracle.” - Speaker 0 then reframes Trump’s stance, labeling the vaccine push as aligned with the agendas of Gates, Fauci, Klaus Schwab, and the World Economic Forum, calling them “the deep state” and asserting that Trump was pushing their agenda rather than opposing it. - A year later, in late 2021, Speaker 0 notes ongoing consequences of the vaccine and the pandemic, while Speaker 1 repeats positive messaging about the vaccine’s safety and effectiveness, and asserts that those who do not take the vaccine may experience more severe illness if they become very sick and go to the hospital. Speaker 1 emphasizes that the vaccine “worked” and that taking it provides protection, while non-vaccination is framed as a personal choice. - In the ensuing exchange, Speaker 1 makes a historical analogy, claiming the vaccine is “one of the greatest achievements of mankind,” noting that during the Spanish flu there were no vaccines, and claiming three vaccines were developed in less than nine months, whereas it would normally take five to twelve years. - Speaker 2 interjects, noting that more people died under Biden than under Trump during the year being discussed, and that more people took the vaccine that year, prompting a defense from Speaker 1 that the vaccine is effective and reduces the severity of illness, while if one contracts COVID, the illness is minor with vaccination. - The sequence ends with Speaker 0 labeling what was said as “utter, utter mendacity” and “Lying.” Overall, the transcript centers on a polarized debate over the vaccine’s safety and efficacy, the motivations and actions of public health officials and political leaders, contrasting claims that the vaccine was a dangerous, coerced plot with claims that it was a safe, efficacious public health breakthrough. It also juxtaposes Trump’s mixed public positions from 2020–2021, ranging from criticism of the vaccine push to praise of the vaccine as a major achievement.

Speaker 0 acknowledges reports of myocarditis and pericarditis associated with the Pfizer vaccine but seems unsure about the mechanism behind it. Speaker 1 asks if the vaccine was tested for its ability to stop virus transmission before being released. Speaker 2 questions if people were forced to get vaccinated to keep their jobs and asks Speaker 0 to retract their statement. Speaker 0 clarifies that everyone had the choice to get vaccinated or not, and they don't believe anyone was forced.

The speaker criticizes Mr. Kennedy for spreading disinformation about COVID vaccines. They mention an incident where Kennedy used unvetted data from VARs to claim that vaccines were killing people, leading to vaccine hesitancy and unnecessary deaths. The speaker calls this science denial and questions Kennedy's credibility. In response, Kennedy argues that VARs is an unreliable system for reporting vaccine adverse events due to voluntary reporting. He claims that CDC's own studies show that VARs undercounts vaccine injuries by a hundredfold. Kennedy also mentions a Harvard study that developed a more accurate system, but CDC allegedly shut it down and refused to address the issue. Kennedy questions why CDC doesn't have a better system in place.

The speakers claim the COVID-19 vaccination program is an ongoing mass experiment that President Trump doesn't want to stop because he is proud of Operation Warp Speed. One speaker says this is tragic because the vaccines are being given to kids. One speaker describes internal fighting and paradoxical actions, such as trying to block the vaccine rollout while simultaneously targeting new variants with updated mRNA vaccines. They assert the vaccines are killing people, referencing autopsy evidence and histopathology. One speaker highlights a leaked video where Trump suggests limiting the vaccine for kids but believes it helps older people. The other speaker refutes this, stating the vaccine kills older people, citing autopsy findings and a BMJ report by the Norwegian Health Authority that found the vaccine likely caused at least 10% and possibly up to 36% of post-vaccination deaths investigated. They claim the CDC reports zero deaths from mRNA vaccines, a claim they dispute based on histopathology slides.

Speaker 0 argues that invoking “the science says this because CDC says it, because my doctor says it, or because FDA says it” is a “logical fallacy” and an “appeals to authority.” “You cannot show me a study that shows that the flu vaccine actually efforts more problems than it causes.” He says he can show many studies, “It’s in the Dear Sanjay Gupta letter.” “Show me that study, then I will walk away from that issue.” Speaker 1 concedes the CDC isn’t perfect but notes, “There are hundreds of millions of people who have gotten these vaccine vaccines who are perfectly healthy. Perfectly healthy in part thanks to the vaccines.” “The vaccines are not all bad.” and adds, “Just because we have suspicions about some of them, and in particular, the COVID vaccine, it doesn't mean we can and because you started this, Bobby, by saying, I am not anti vaxx.” Speaker 0 asks for “a scientific study for each vaccine that shows that this vaccine is averting for harm and it's causing.” Speaker 1 says, “They say the studies show no linkage of harm.” The exchange ends: “Let's advance the discussion. Okay?”

Vaccine makers face the challenge of misinformation. The speaker believes those who deliberately spread misinformation are criminals because they cost lives. They shared a personal story of their wife's death after getting the vaccine, which was falsely attributed to it. The purpose of spreading such lies was to discourage people from getting vaccinated. The speaker emphasizes that the number of people who died due to not getting vaccinated far outweighs the individual cases like their wife's. Therefore, they consider those spreading misinformation to be criminals.

The speaker claims COVID vaccines are not actually vaccines and have caused unbelievable problems and damage. They allege the virus escaped from a lab with six manipulated inserts and the vaccine was 80% homologous to humans, causing major side effects. The speaker states that governments were informed but ignored warnings. They further claim the vaccines' quality control was appalling, the manufacturing process changed, and they were full of contaminants that can integrate into the genome, leading to massive excess deaths and a rise in cancer. The speaker questions why the vaccines haven't been banned, given COVID's diminished threat. They criticize the vaccination of children and call the vaccines "horrible gene therapies" causing "turbo cancers." They advocate for trials for those involved and accuse medical officers and regulatory bodies like MHRA, TGA, and FDA of incompetence and negligence, likening the situation to the Nuremberg trials. They assert the vaccines were never effective or safe, citing Pfizer's initial submissions to the FDA.

The discussion centers on COVID-19 misinformation and the roles of public figures and disinformation spreaders. Speaker 0 questions whether doctor Fauci is involved in a plot to kill millions. Speaker 1 says he cannot confirm involvement but asserts Fauci is not an innocent bystander and is aware of his actions; he doesn’t have the information to determine the extent of Fauci’s involvement. Speaker 2 identifies Dr. Dirashid Bhattar as one of the top spreaders of COVID-19 disinformation on social media, citing the Center for Countering Digital Hate, noting Bhattar once had more than a million followers. The dialogue includes several false or debunked claims attributed to Bhattar. Speaker 1 states that “More people are dying from the COVID vaccine than from COVID,” a claim Speaker 2 labels as not true, along with Bhattar’s assertion that “the Red Cross won’t accept blood from people who have had the COVID vaccine,” and his claim that “most who took COVID vaccines will be dead by 2025.” Bhattar’s broader theory is that COVID was a planned operation, politically motivated as part of a secret global plot to depopulate the earth. Speaker 0 asks if Speaker 1 believes the pandemic was planned; Speaker 1 responds affirmatively but says he has no idea who is behind it. Speaker 2 warns that praising or repeating Bhattar’s views is dangerous, noting Bhattar’s use of false or twisted information to distrust vaccines. The conversation touches on whether the COVID vaccine works; Speaker 1 says the vaccine is “very effective at what it was designed for perhaps,” but “not preventing death.” Speaker 0 challenges this, and Speaker 2 counters that Bhattar doubles down on vaccines being more dangerous than the virus, even in the face of data. A numerical claim is raised: “6,340,000,000 doses of this vaccine have been given,” with implications if the claim were true. Speaker 1 says vaccines are designed with ingredients published and that each vaccine appears to be different, though he concedes not being a vaccine developer. Speaker 2 notes Bhattar has been removed from Facebook and Instagram for disinformation but remains active on Twitter, Telegram, and his own site. Speaker 0 references a September 5 retweet of a photo suggesting AstraZeneca was made in 2018; Speaker 1 acknowledges it could have been fake and questions why Bhattar would share such content. A combined exchange discusses questioning agencies and the consequences of misinformation, with Speaker 0 accusing Bhattar of contributing to a mass misinformation problem and Speaker 1 acknowledging the existence of a large follower base that has received false information. The dialogue closes with a mention of a statement from North Carolina’s Board of Medicine prior to COVID, implying regulatory context or action.

A person states they won't get the COVID-19 vaccine due to a lack of initial clarity and the speed of its creation, arguing nine months isn't enough time. Another person explains that twenty years of science went into the approach used to create the vaccine and that vaccination is necessary to stop the virus from spreading. The first person compares COVID-19 to the flu, but is told COVID-19 is more serious. They then question the official death toll and suggest incentives for vaccination indicate ulterior motives. The second person states that millions of people were vaccinated to protect their health and community. The first person concludes that the vaccination campaign is based on fear.

The speaker argues that there was no informed consent regarding the COVID vaccine, as the government and pharmaceutical companies knew it wasn't a traditional vaccine. They hid potential adverse reactions and lack of evidence on transmission prevention. Despite good intentions, people were misled into taking it.

The speaker discusses the increase in COVID-19 cases and deaths after mass vaccination. They claim that the vaccines have created new variants of the virus and that the antibodies produced by the vaccines actually make the infection stronger. They argue that the new variants are a result of the selection of antibodies through vaccination. The speaker questions the decision to vaccinate during an ongoing epidemic and suggests that there are alternative treatments available.

The speaker questions the source of the claim that 20 million lives have been saved. They ask for data and studies to support this number. The response is indirect and the meeting is about to end when the speaker jumps back in to clarify that the 20 million lives saved refers to all vaccines, not just mRNA vaccines. The speaker is unable to ask for further clarification. They find it suspicious that this number is being thrown around without proper explanation. They suggest that these numbers are made up.

The speaker discusses the impact of the vaccine on saving lives and acknowledges that there are side effects. They mention that both the virus and the vaccine have changed over the past two years, leading to transmission and infection. However, there is disagreement between the speakers, with one denying the effectiveness of the vaccine. The conversation becomes heated, with one person telling the other to be quiet.

The speaker questions the validity of claims that millions of lives have been saved by the COVID vaccine, stating that the evidence is weak and based on modeling studies. They argue that the vaccine has serious adverse effects, such as heart problems, and that the reported side effects are likely underreported. They criticize the lack of transparency and suppression of information by institutions and call for rebuilding the system. The speaker believes that the truth about vaccine harms will eventually come out and that getting COVID is not worse for the heart than vaccine side effects, contrary to some claims.