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According to Speaker 1, the intelligence agencies hid the fact that Bin Laden was in Iran, not Afghanistan or Pakistan, to justify military action in the Middle East. This manipulation started under Clinton and continued under Bush Jr. Speaker 1 claims that intelligence agencies have tentacles around the world and don't answer to anyone, which is a problem for Trump. Speaker 1 alleges that they were targeted after questioning 9/11, resulting in an FBI raid on their daughter's house weeks before an election, which they believe was politically motivated to remove them from office. No charges were ever filed against the daughter, and boxes taken were returned unopened months later. Speaker 1 claims that the person who ran the campaign against them was managed by the staff director of Sandy Berger's company. Speaker 1 asserts that some individuals within intelligence agencies are making money from conflicts and vows to expose them.

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- Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss the possibility that a friend was murdered and suggest that both victims died suddenly from fast-moving cancer, a method they say the agency uses overseas to eliminate people. Speaker 1 admits he cannot prove this but notes the sudden deaths. - The conversation asserts that the US government has technology to infect people with fast-moving cancer and to perform cognitive and directed-energy warfare. Speaker 0 states the government has the technology to infect with fast-moving cancer and to do so absolutely. - In 1997, Speaker 1 describes a hearing on asymmetric threats where he chaired the research committee and focused on four threats: drones, cyberattacks, electromagnetic pulse (EMP), and cognitive warfare. He asserts that cognitive warfare is now being labeled by some as Havana syndrome and that directed-energy weapons are the underlying technology. - Speaker 2 recounts a recent homeland security hearing about foreign adversaries using direct weapons against US citizens, enabling incapacitation. He emphasizes the chilling nature of the briefing and criticizes current domestic leadership as foolish, corrupt, incompetent, and wicked. - Speaker 3 notes that up to 40% of the Air Force equipment budget in the 1990s was classified, making much of it “black.” He emphasizes that military and security research often precedes civilian medical science, and that servicemen were used in experiments without fully informed consent, referencing NK Ultra-era disclosures of thousands of service members used as subjects. - Speaker 4 discusses MKUltra, describing a Canadian experiment involving psychic driving with massive LSD doses, eye-tracking, and memory loss, funded by MKUltra and affecting civilians. He mentions Project Midnight Climax, where Johns were observed in brothels while subjected to LSD, and notes similar experiments by the British Royal Air Force and Army. The results of Midnight Climax are unknown, with no published after-action reports. - Speaker 3 adds that Secretary of Energy O’Leary stated under Clinton that over a half a million Americans had been used in human experiments over four decades without informed consent, including mind control, with no accountability. He argues that mind-control technology has advanced, and questions who should govern its use, given the lack of legal frameworks. - The discussion covers mind-effects research and the lack of treaties governing such technologies. They reference a European Parliament security and disarmament resolution (1999) addressing mind-effects and mind-control technology, and Russian Duma resolutions (2002) seeking similar safeguards. Zabigniew Brzezinski’s Between Two Ages is cited regarding electronically stroking the ionosphere to influence behavior over geographic areas, connecting it to HARP and other electromagnetic carriers capable of mass or individual influence. - Speaker 6 explains historical demonstrations of electronic mind control, starting with Jose Delgado’s remote manipulation of a charging bull using radio energy and electrodes, and notes later work showing noninvasive techniques to influence behavior using low-power magnetic fields. Speaker 7 reiterates Delgado’s animal studies and the potential for noninvasive methods to affect emotions and memory, with broader implications for humans. - Speaker 3 discusses the progression of research funded by DARPA and others toward higher-resolution control of brain activity, enabling controlled effects that override senses and create synthetic memories, raising questions about future justice and evidence. They describe European Parliament and NATO/US military interest in mind-control technologies and the absence of robust legal protections. - Speaker 9 presents advances in AI-enabled brain-reading and memory-altering devices, including mind-reading and emotion decoding, while Speaker 10 and Speaker 12 discuss privacy concerns, brain-data privacy laws (Colorado’s law adding brain data to privacy protections), and the availability of consumer devices that decode brainwaves. They warn that brain data can be misused by insurers, law enforcement, advertisers, and governments, with private companies often sharing data without clear disclosure. - The segment concludes with a note that devices can infer attention and thoughts, and that DARPA’s N3D program aims for noninvasive neuromodulation with implantable electrodes read/write capabilities. It references 1980s–1990s discussions of RF energy as a potential nonlethal mind-control technology, and a 1993 Johns Hopkins conference listing low-frequency weapons as attractive options.

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Government agencies like the CIA use Hollywood entertainment to manipulate and control people. The speaker claims to have trained with the NSA and been involved in covert operations around the world. They discuss how agencies manipulate elections and overthrow governments using psychological operations. They also mention the influence of the Creative Artists Agency (CAA) in Hollywood and its connections to the CIA. The speaker suggests that the CIA and other intelligence agencies deceive and manipulate the public through propaganda and misinformation. They question the legitimacy of the US government and call for people to take back their power.

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They discuss how fear and trauma are used to manipulate populations, mentioning CIA programs like MK Ultra. They touch on the origins of the CIA from OSS after WWII, incorporating Nazi techniques. The CIA's initial purpose was espionage, not domestic operations. Operation Paperclip brought Nazi scientists to the US for missile and biological weapons programs. The CIA's actions were against its original charter.

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There are members of Congress who are controlled by intel agencies. A high-ranking member of the House Intel Committee admitted to being spied on by the NSA. Even though he provides oversight, they still monitor him. Michael McCall, a leader among neoconservatives, accused someone of being a Russian agent based on what the intel briefers told him. When confronted, he defended himself by saying he believed the intel. This highlights the manipulation and control exerted by intel agencies over politicians.

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Speaker 0 states that sources claim Brennan used "reverse targeting" to entrap Trump advisors Carter Page and George Papadopoulos via Halper and Mifsud. Papadopoulos told former Australian ambassador Downer about Russian offers to help Trump. This appears to be how Russiagate started. Speaker 1 believes John Brennan is a dark figure. Speaker 1 was arrested in 2012 and charged with espionage for blowing the whistle on the sea ice torch program. Speaker 1 claims to have found memos where Brennan told Holder to charge him with espionage, even though Holder's people didn't think he committed it, and then to make him defend himself. The espionage charges were dropped after Speaker 1 went bankrupt from legal fees. Speaker 1 believes Brennan was responsible for the origin of Russiagate. Speaker 1 claims the FBI isn't capable of such operations, but the CIA and John Brennan are. Speaker 1 claims Brennan and his contemporaries devise operations to get from point A to point C, ruining people along the way, and discusses potential tactics.

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- The conversation centers on Congress’s upcoming hearing about MKUltra, prompted by Representative Anna Paulina Luna. The hosts note Luna’s history of revisiting old conspiracies that later proved real and caution that expectations for the hearing should be modest, recalling past revelations about JFK. - Kevin Shipp, a CIA whistleblower and author of Twilight of the Shadow Government, joins the discussion to discuss MKUltra, CIA secrecy, and the current relevance of past programs. He notes that MKUltra was a covert CIA program that ran for decades, focusing on mind control, behavior modification, and interrogation techniques with experimental drugs like LSD, sensory deprivation, and hypnosis, often conducted without consent or knowledge. He emphasizes that the program’s full details remain murky because the CIA destroyed large portions of records in the 1970s. - Shipp asserts that while the CIA claimed MKUltra ended in 1973, there is no evidence they actually did end it. He cites Victor Marchetti, author of The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence, who suggested the program continued under a different cover name. He argues that the same “matrix of secrecy” and “special access programs” persist today in the CIA, and oversight committees have failed to reform the agency; they meet less frequently and are subject to CIA secrecy agreements. - On historical exposure, Shipp mentions Operation Paperclip, where Nazi war criminal scientists’ files were falsified and handed to Truman; some of these scientists were hired by the CIA and used in MKUltra and related programs. He claims the CIA has a “bloody and deceitful track record” and questions whether the CIA has terminated MKUltra, suggesting it could continue in a different form. He also references his interviews with Carol, the daughter of John Warner, who says her father resigned in response to the CIA’s actions, including MKUltra, and that she has counseled patients who exhibit MKUltra-like damages. - The discussion turns to the possibility that MKUltra exists today outside the CIA’s direct umbrella, via NGOs and other facilities. Speaker 2 mentions an upcoming MKUltra whistleblower interview revealing astonishing claims about experiments on children and ongoing concerns about the hearing being sabotaged by false information to distort public perception. - The speakers discuss the plausibility of “Manchurian candidates”—mind-controlled operatives at high levels of government and industry. Shipp confirms that MKUltra involved training in forensic psychophysiology and manipulation of the mind, and that former agents could still be operating under new programs. He argues that the CIA’s morality is lacking, that “human life is cheap,” and that the agency would engage in such activities, though not all CIA personnel share these views. - The conversation covers the shift to more covert technologies: targeted energy weapons, nanobot and drone-like surveillance, and the integration of the CIA into an “ Directorate for Digital Innovation” merging with artificial intelligence. Shipp warns of risks associated with AI and nanotechnology, arguing for Congress to conduct a genuine church-style committee to break up the CIA or place its functions under the DIA. He asserts that many elected officials are influenced or controlled by the CIA, and that public pressure is essential to demand thorough investigation and reform. - The program closes with praise for Shipp’s book, Twilight of the Shadow Government, and with well-wishes regarding his son’s recovery after directed-energy-related incidents. The hosts encourage viewers to subscribe and share the video.

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Speaker 0: I began my journey into chronicling the censorship industrial complex. Speaker 1: Some of the most terrifying conversations I've had with some of my dear friends who work inside CIA, and their jobs is to go to other countries, get involved in elections, protests that will help overthrow a regime. It's no secret at this point. The CIA has been doing that for years, for decades. But the most terrifying conversations I've had are the ones where they would look to me and say, my god. Like, the twenty twenty election? We're doing to our people what we do to others. Speaker 2: CIA, the other intelligence agencies were exposed with projects like Operation Mockingbird. Speaker 0: The State Department, USAID, the Central Intelligence Agency went from free speech diplomacy to promoting censorship. Speaker 2: They created, purchased, controlled assets at the New York Times, the Washington Post, all of these top down media structures that used to control the information that Americans got. Speaker 3: I pulled into the driveway, opened up my garage door, these two gentlemen come out of a blue sedan with government license plates. And they came up to me and said, you're mister Solomon? And I said, yes. And they said, you're at the tip of a very large and dangerous iceberg. Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. The the FBI sent agents over to my home to serve a subpoena. They're questioning me about my tweets. How is that not chilling? Speaker 2: Our whole page on Facebook for the world Seventh day Adventist World Church was removed. Speaker 5: The level of censorship that we experienced from publishing this documentary was beyond anything I could have imagined, and we really didn't even understand why. Speaker 3: We are going to win back the White House. The Russian collusion started broken '16. That's where the big lie first erupted. Speaker 6: Russian operatives used social media to rile up the American electorate and boost the candidacy of Donald Trump. Speaker 0: That's why they went after Trump with the Russia gate and with the FBI probes and with the CIA impeachments and things like that. Speaker 3: My FBI sources told me there's nothing there. And I kept wondering to myself, how could it be that something that's not true be taken so seriously and be portrayed as true? Speaker 7: How do you expand sort of top down control in this society? How do we flip? How do we invert America? Speaker 6: The evidence that the Supreme Court recounts is bone chilling. The federal government would call a private media company and say, cancel this speaker or take down this post. Speaker 3: I mean, just think about this. A sitting president of The United States had his Twitter and Facebook accounts frozen. Our founding fathers could not possibly have imagined that. Is there a chance that this documentary will be censored? Speaker 1: I think there's a huge chance this documentary gets censored. Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's interesting when you look at so many of the big censorship cases in The United States involving COVID, Hunter Biden's laptop. They all go back to a common thread. What is that thread? National security. Speaker 0: Google Jigsaw produced world's first AI censorship product. Things the model were trained on, support for Donald Trump, Brexit referendum that the State Department tried very desperately to stop. These are all these sort Speaker 5: of component pieces of what you called the censorship industrial complex. Speaker 3: Censorship Industrial Complex. Censorship Speaker 2: Industrial Complex. Speaker 7: Censorship Industrial Complex. Censorship Industrial Complex. Speaker 1: I've long felt that it was a bubbling god complex.

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Speaker 1 argues there was "a lot of crazy stuff like this that was going on in The US first half of the twentieth century overdrive nineteen forties" and cites "the Manhattan Project" and "MKUltra" to claim "these institutions are less functional." He says, "I don't think the CIA is doing anything quite like MKUltra anymore." He references "the church commission hearings in the late seventies" and recalls "black sites" and torture in the war on terror, including "waterboarding" and "the torture memos" that formalized it. By "2007 at Guantanamo" "the inmates were running the asylum," "The inmates and the defense lawyers were running it." He notes "the post j Edgar Hoover FBI" as "Hoover was, I don't know, a law unto himself. It was completely out of control. CIA even more so." He adds "The NSA ... held up longer as a deep state entity" and "the Patriot Act empowered all these FISA courts," with "the NSA FISA court process was weaponized in a really, really crazy way."

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Speaker 0 states that sources have indicated Brennan used "reverse targeting" to entrap Trump advisors Carter Page and George Papadopoulos via Halper and Mifsud. Papadopoulos then told former Australian ambassador Downer about Russian offers to help Trump. This appears to be how Russiagate started. Speaker 1 believes John Brennan is a dark figure. Speaker 1 was arrested in 2012 and charged with espionage for blowing the whistle on the sea ice torch program. Speaker 1 claims to have found memos where Brennan told Holder to charge him with espionage, even after being advised against it. The espionage charges, carrying a potential death penalty, were later dropped after Speaker 1 went bankrupt from legal fees. Speaker 1 believes Brennan was responsible for the origin of Russiagate and that the CIA, under Brennan, devises operations to ruin people, cause suicides, or entrap individuals.

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Speaker 0 describes the ability to disrupt an individual from the level of their cell to their system, and to disrupt individuals on a variety of levels from individuals up to the social fabric; to target a specific individual, change or eliminate that individual with very little attribution and trace, and leave prior to attribution. Speaker 1 explains that targeting demonstrators could make them suicidally depressed, so they are too upset to demonstrate; with one pulse frequency, people could become so suicidal they won’t act as demonstrators, preferring sleep or bed. They argue we are in a new cold war, with countries developing this technology and microwave transmitters going up everywhere because someone could use them for other effects; the system is up and running. Speaker 2 notes MIT awarded to Woody Norris in 2005 or 2006 half a million dollars for acoustic heterodyning—sending a signal from two points into an individual so they literally hear a voice in their head that nobody around them hears. Speaker 1 adds that the easiest ones involve stimulating the cochlea with a resonant frequency; voices are easy, and people physically hear them, not just imagine them. It can be any conversation and any voice, from a soft angelic voice to a god, a devil, or anything that scares you. Speaker 2 states DARPA led contracts in 2011–2012 to the University of California for electronic telepathy—monitoring brain activity at a distance to determine what someone is thinking, and developing complex signals to be sent into another brain to transmit a message; this represents the current technology. Speaker 0 asserts the brain is and will be the twenty-first-century battlescape, with neurocognitive science weaponized in military, personal, and professional life; the brain is the current and future battle space. The new aspect is in-close, with targeting at levels allowing direct attribution or covert engagement; a formal definition of a weapon includes directed energy to affect physiology peripherally and brain health, citing US embassy personnel in Havana and possibly in China. They mention transcranial neuromodulation and implanting brain-machine interfaces as part of DARPA programs, notably the N3 program (non-invasive neurosurgical neuromodulation) by Doctor Al Mundy, aiming to place minimal electrodes to read and write brain function in real time, remotely, influencing attitudes, beliefs, thoughts, emotions, and activities. Speaker 1 adds a method for causing a specific psychiatric illness using an infrared device paired with a pencil-thin microwave source to target a specific gland, part of the brain, eye, or heart. Speaker 3 emphasizes that intelligence agencies are gaining too much influence over governments, moving toward a Stasi-like state, threatening fundamental human rights; there must be verification and mechanisms to keep agencies in line, by law and technical means. Speaker 1 contends that if governments want to experiment on people by the thousands, they will; they could diagnose insanity through covert experiments, and low-level microwaves are linked to cancers and ill effects; this began in the 1950s and continues. Speaker 3 expresses frustration at not reaching government members to disclose what they’re doing, noting a shift away from human rights toward money, control, and power. Speaker 1 states that over the last forty years, governments have lied to protect industry and profits, and that the industry and the government segment promoting it will cause more civilian deaths and suffering than all terrorist groups; they claim this could be genocide, sanctioned by major health and research institutions, with a small circle of powerful individuals. Speaker 3 conveys disappointment in the American public for not being more irritated; contrasts with Germans, who remember Stasi and Gestapo; Doctor John Hall is cited. Speaker 4 references a memorandum from the president about protecting individuals and ongoing experimentation; notes loopholes in informed consent, referencing Willowbrook, MKUltra, and radiation experiments conducted without informed consent; mentions DoD and intelligence funding and the challenge of IRBs, with alarming complaints of electromagnetic weapons. Speaker 5 introduces Katherine Nestor from Pennsylvania, stating the commission has discussed abuse of human research subjects, mentioning co intel pro-like stalking, remote neural monitoring, and electromagnetic torture causing psychological and physical damage; she asks for today’s dramatic response and a congressional hearing, urging not to wait seventy years to investigate. Speaker 3 thanks the audience. Speaker 4 (Connie Marshall) identifies as a former Louisville mayoral candidate and an eight-year victim of directed energy weapon assaults, describing body overheating and extreme cold, seizures, heart pain, earaches, eye burning, swelling, involuntary movements, exhaustion, seizures, hair loss, mind paralysis, dream manipulation or trance-like states, drone or satellite tracking, sleep deprivation, voice-to-skull, blue eye circles, constant monitoring, destruction of electrical devices, and 24-hour observation and monitoring despite no criminal history.

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The National Security Agency has been tracking illicit wealth for 15 years. It is now known that Wall Street has stolen trillions of dollars through naked short selling and laundered money from illegal activities. The speaker believes that 90% of people in the US government and military are good but trapped in a corrupt system. The CIA is accused of torture, rendition, drone assassinations, and starting wars based on lies. The speaker claims that once the President processes all the information at the NSA, everyone will be exposed and they suggest making a deal through truth and reconciliation.

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It continued after that. When the church committee happened and Frank Church brought it out that MKUltra existed, well, the stuff hit the fan, and everybody started screaming, we need more of this. Well, Richard Helms, the director of the CIA, immediately destroyed 10,000 MKULTRA documents so that Congress couldn't see them and then threatened the CIA officers who were due to testify with prison if they violated their secrecy agreement. They tried that with me. So that's one of the means of control. So MKULTRA, they said after the church committee, well, we don't do that anymore. It's been done away with. Victor Marchetti, who wrote CIA and the Cult of Intelligence, I don't know if you're aware of that book. He was the first real CIA whistleblower. He said they claimed MK Ultra stopped at 1973, but he said that's just a cover story. It continued after that. He believes MK Ultra still exists, and one of the classic examples is Sirhan Sirhan, who was one of the shooters that killed Robert Kennedy senior. Sirhan Sirhan claimed he didn't remember anything about the event at all afterwards, and they went in there and tested him psychologically. And he was so programmable, they had him climbing his cell like a monkey. I have become friends because of our both of our kinds of disenchantment to say that with the CIA. And Bobby met with Sirhan Sirhan. He said he did he had no idea of what he'd done at all. No memory of it at all. And the psychiatrists were so easy, it was so easy rather to program him that they had him climbing the cell, like I said, like a monkey. And he was, I'm convinced, an MK Ultra subject. I'm absolutely convinced of this. I don't wanna speak for Bobby Kennedy Jr. We've become friends since, but I think he would probably agree with that as a classic case of it still existing. And why would Why would they give up such a powerful weapon? You can mind control individuals who can carry out assassinations or pretend to be an assassin as a patsy and be caught while actual CIA agents are actually shooting and killing JFK or shooting and killing RFK in a kitchen in Los Angeles. So it's a very convenient

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The speaker discusses the history and ongoing influence of the CIA's Operation Mockingbird, which compromised American journalists and manipulated information. They highlight the CIA's funding of journalism and its ability to control narratives through social media platforms. The speaker also mentions the CIA's involvement in Hollywood, using movies to shape public opinion. They touch on the MK Ultra program, which involved mind control experiments and the use of psychotropic drugs. The speaker emphasizes the connections between government personnel and media corporations, suggesting the potential for a shared political agenda. They conclude by discussing the influence of the occult and the role of psychological warfare in destabilizing nations.

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The CIA and Defense Department conducted mind control experiments on individuals without their consent, using drugs, hypnosis, and electric shock. Project MK Ultra involved 149 subprojects, including testing on prisoners, soldiers, and college students. Volunteer soldiers were misled about the nature of the experiments, leading to long-lasting effects from drugs like BZ, which is stronger than LSD and causes severe disorientation. Army initially denied any lasting effects from BZ testing. Translation: The CIA and Defense Department conducted secret experiments on people without their permission, using drugs and other methods. Project MK Ultra had 149 subprojects, including testing on prisoners, soldiers, and college students. Volunteer soldiers were deceived about the experiments, leading to long-term effects from drugs like BZ, which is more potent than LSD and causes severe confusion. Initially, the Army denied any lasting effects from BZ testing.

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The speaker distrusts the government, claiming the CIA has lied since 2001, regardless of who is president. They allege the White House killed 424 uncharged people in August 2015 based solely on the CIA's word. An attorney for a drone whistleblower recounted an incident where the operator refused to launch a drone strike because the target was a child, not a goat as claimed by CENTCOM. The operator now faces court martial for refusing to kill the child. The speaker questions whether America has abandoned civil liberties in the name of national security since 9/11. They believe Edward Snowden's courage in revealing information opened doors for discussion, but he faces severe repercussions. The speaker advised Snowden not to return to the US, as a fair trial is impossible due to the jury pool's ties to intelligence agencies.

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Operation Paperclip was a real program where the US brought top Nazi scientists to work for the CIA. MK Ultra was one of the programs that came out of Operation Paperclip, focusing on mind control through human experiments and manipulation. The CIA used psychotropic drugs like LSD and conducted experiments on unwitting Americans. The program was never terminated, and there is evidence of the CIA's involvement in Hollywood, desensitizing the population through movies and media. The occult and satanic practices were also introduced to society during this time. The CIA also used honeypots and blackmail to control and manipulate influential individuals.

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During the Obama administration, John Brennan had the Tuesday morning kill list meetings because the tech got sophisticated enough that you could just write up a list of people that you wanna kill that week, and you dish out the assignments. He started in o nine and kept it going. I believe that he is the archetypal sociopath. John Brennan who literally put me in prison. After I blew the whistle on the torture program, Brennan asked the Justice Department to reopen the case against me, wrote a memo to Eric Holder, charge him with espionage, and Brennan wrote back, charge him anyway and make him defend himself. I did twenty three months in prison. Now it's John's turn to be on the hot seat, with Jim Clapper, Jim Comey, and Hillary Clinton, and all these other ones who thought they were untouchable. Now they're going to have to answer for their actions.

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Government agencies like the CIA use Hollywood entertainment to manipulate and control people. They have divisions dedicated to psychological operations (PsyOps) to manipulate information and deceive the public. The speaker claims to have trained with the NSA and been involved in fixing elections and overthrowing governments. They argue that the United States has been infiltrated by the intelligence agencies, and that the entertainment industry is used as a tool for propaganda and cultural manipulation. The speaker also discusses the role of the CIA in the creation of the film industry and its influence on global culture. They suggest that the agency is involved in election interference and the spread of disinformation. The speaker questions the legitimacy of the current government and calls for people to take back their power.

American Alchemy

How the CIA Creates Mind Controlled Assassins
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The episode delves into allegations about government mind-control programs, tracing a historical arc from earlier experiments and documented programs to modern theories and media portrayals. The conversation centers on how researchers and intelligence agencies allegedly tested methods to induce dissociative states, create covert identities, and deploy subjects as couriers or assassins, drawing on published MK Ultra materials and interviews with experts. The hosts discuss famous cases and figures—some presented as possible outcomes of such programs—while acknowledging that the material blends documented history with speculative connections. Alongside the archival recounting, the discussion touches on the ethics of psychiatric research, the role of front organizations, and the use of hypnosis, drugs, deprivation, and sensory manipulation as modalities once employed in attempts to engineer controlled behavior. The dialogue then expands to a broader critique of governance, media, and the culture of secrecy, weaving in parallel threads about the Kennedy assassinations, the dynamics around Manson and McVeigh, and the possibility that some public narratives may obscure deeper networks of influence. Interwoven are personal anecdotes from authors and researchers who describe their own forays into controversial topics, the difficulties of obtaining verifiable sources, and the temptation of drawing sweeping conclusions from partial evidence. A substantial portion of the conversation also explores themes beyond traditional psychiatry: the interface of energy, electromagnetism, and perception; claims of extracorporeal signals and ocular “eyebeams”; and speculation about how electromagnetic fields could be measured or harnessed for healing, monitoring, or even security applications. The speakers acknowledge the discomfort and risk that accompany investigations into high-stakes conspiracy theories, while insisting that some of these ideas merit rigorous testing and open discussion rather than suppression. The dialogue thus oscillates between forensic scrutiny of historical documents and expansive, sometimes provocative, hypotheses about how power, science, and belief interact in shaping public life and individual perception.

The Joe Rogan Experience

Joe Rogan Experience #2392 - John Kiriakou
Guests: John Kiriakou
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In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, Joe Rogan interviews John Kiriakou, a former CIA officer who served for 13 years and became involved in counterterrorism operations in Pakistan after 9/11. Kiriakou recounts his experiences in the CIA, including his capture of Abu Zubaydah and his subsequent refusal to participate in the agency's enhanced interrogation techniques, which he considered torture. This decision led to him being ostracized and eventually prosecuted for revealing classified information about the torture program. Kiriakou details the CIA's use of enhanced interrogation techniques, such as waterboarding, sleep deprivation, and the cold cell, which he argues were ineffective and led to the deaths of detainees. He contrasts these methods with the FBI's successful interrogation techniques, which involved building rapport with detainees to gain actionable intelligence. He also discusses the history of CIA experimentation with drugs like LSD through programs like MK Ultra, including the infamous Midnight Climax operation. The conversation shifts to the deep state and the power of unelected officials within the CIA who can outwait presidents and bypass the law. Kiriakou explains how he became a target after speaking out against the torture program, leading to his prosecution and imprisonment. He describes the legal battles he faced, the government's attempts to intimidate him, and the support he received from unexpected allies like John McCain. He also recounts his experiences in prison, where he encountered both dangerous criminals and unexpected friendships. Kiriakou reflects on the challenges he faced after his release from prison, including difficulty finding employment and the realization that he could never fully return to his old life. He emphasizes the importance of telling his side of the story and the vindication he felt when the Senate torture report confirmed his claims. The discussion touches on the politicization of intelligence agencies, the dangers of unchecked power, and the erosion of civil liberties in the name of national security. The conversation broadens to address current geopolitical issues, including the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the rise of China, and the war in Ukraine. Kiriakou expresses concern about the influence of Israel on American politics and the need for greater transparency and accountability in government. He also discusses the dangers of propaganda and the importance of critical thinking in an age of misinformation. He advocates for a more populist approach to government, where elected officials are held accountable to the people they serve.

PBD Podcast

Epstein Cover-Up, Ghislaine Maxwell & Israel's Role w/ CIA Whistleblower John Kiriakou | PBD Podcast
Guests: John Kiriakou
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Patrick Bet-David interviews John Kiriakou, a former CIA officer known for being the first to publicly expose the CIA's waterboarding practices. Kiriakou shares his extensive background in the CIA, where he served for 15 years, traveled to 72 countries, and felt he was serving the American people. He recounts a memorable experience of being in the Oval Office during a crisis meeting shortly after Iraq invaded Kuwait, highlighting the unpredictable nature of his job. Kiriakou discusses the controversial torture program initiated after 9/11, revealing that only 16 people initially knew about the CIA's waterboarding plans. He explains that the idea for waterboarding came from two psychologists who reverse-engineered survival training techniques. Kiriakou was approached to participate in the program but refused, citing its illegality and moral implications. He was the only one out of 14 colleagues to decline involvement, leading to his eventual arrest and imprisonment for whistleblowing. The conversation shifts to the dynamics within the CIA and the relationships between various administrations. Kiriakou notes that Bill Clinton had little interaction with CIA Director James Woolsey, while Vice President Al Gore was more engaged with intelligence matters. He contrasts this with George W. Bush's administration, where Dick Cheney was perceived to have more control over foreign policy than Bush himself. Kiriakou also discusses the CIA's interrogation techniques, criticizing the agency's approach compared to the FBI's more effective and humane methods. He emphasizes that the CIA's tactics were driven by a desire for revenge after 9/11, which ultimately proved ineffective. He describes the extreme measures taken, such as sleep deprivation and the "cold cell" technique, which resulted in prisoner deaths. The discussion touches on the political implications of the torture program, with Kiriakou asserting that the CIA operated outside legal boundaries. He reflects on the consequences of his whistleblowing, including his imprisonment and the loss of his pension. Kiriakou expresses frustration over the lack of accountability for those involved in the torture program, particularly John Brennan, who he believes has evaded scrutiny for his role in the CIA's actions. As the conversation progresses, Kiriakou shares insights into the relationships between intelligence agencies, noting a lack of trust in the Israeli Mossad while expressing admiration for British intelligence. He recounts experiences of intimidation from Israeli operatives and the challenges of working with foreign intelligence services. The interview concludes with Kiriakou discussing the broader implications of intelligence operations, including the potential for corruption and the manipulation of political narratives. He reflects on the current state of American politics, particularly regarding the investigations into figures like Brennan and Comey, and the ongoing influence of intelligence agencies in shaping policy and public perception.

The Megyn Kelly Show

Trump FIRES Bondi, CIA's "MK Ultra" History, and "Two Weeks" in Iran, with Kiriakou, Davis & Ahmari
Guests: Kiriakou, Davis, Ahmari
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Megyn Kelly hosts a wide‑ranging discussion centered on recent Iranian developments, U.S. internal politics, and the people shaping both narratives. The episode opens with coverage of President Trump’s rumored moves on Iran policy and potential shakeups within his administration, including speculation about Pam Bondi’s fate and questions about Tulsi Gabbard’s role as DNI. The conversation quickly broadens to analyze loyalty versus competence in political appointments, with guests offering perspectives on how past aides and decisions—ranging from Epstein files to antitrust enforcement—have influenced public perception and political dynamics. The panel emphasizes how internal White House dynamics, media coverage, and public polling intersect with policy choices, suggesting that domestic political incentives often drive strategic clarity—or the lack thereof—on foreign interventions. A central thread is the Iran question: the hosts and guests debate what constitutes a strategic objective, how escalation risks shape public support, and whether recent statements signal a wind‑down or a continued push toward confrontation. They contrast differing voices within the administration and media, discussing whether rhetoric and policy are aligned or whether the administration is scrambling to manage domestic backlash while facing hawkish allies. Throughout, the episode probes how messaging from the White House, televised addresses, and on‑the‑record interviews influence public understanding of limits, timelines, and military commitments in a volatile region. The interview segment features John Kiriakou, a former CIA officer, who reflects on a career spent in and around counterterrorism, intelligence culture, and the ethics of interrogation. He revisits MKUltra with historical detail, critiques the oversight environment, and offers insider observations about interactions with allies, rivals, and internal security culture. The discussion delves into how intelligence work intersects with democracy, accountability, and civil liberties, including the tension between national security agendas and the public’s right to transparency. Throughout, the guests share personal experiences illustrating the strains of life inside and around the CIA and its impact on marriage, loyalty, and professional choices.

Tucker Carlson

John Kiriakou: CIA's Secret Torture Programs, Mk-Ultra, 9-11, and Why Obama Threw Him in Jail
Guests: John Kiriakou
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Tucker Carlson interviews John Kiriakou, a former CIA officer who became a whistleblower after revealing the agency's torture program. Kiriakou discusses how the CIA has shifted from intelligence gathering to a paramilitary organization post-9/11, emphasizing that the agency now relies more on technology than human intelligence. He recounts his experience of being approached by a Japanese diplomat, who was actually an FBI agent trying to solicit espionage from him, leading to his eventual imprisonment for exposing the CIA's torture practices. Kiriakou explains that he was one of only two Arabic-speaking officers at the CIA's counterterrorism center during 9/11 and played a significant role in capturing an al-Qaeda operative. Despite his distinguished career, he was imprisoned for speaking out against the torture program, while those who implemented it faced no consequences. He reflects on the irony of being a whistleblower, stating that he was a true believer in the agency's mission, yet ended up in jail for telling the truth. He describes the extensive FBI investigation into his actions, which he learned about only through media reports, and the absurdity of being charged with espionage for revealing the existence of a torture program that was already known. Kiriakou highlights the lack of accountability for those who authorized torture, contrasting it with his own punishment. Throughout the conversation, Kiriakou emphasizes the moral implications of torture, arguing that it is ineffective and counterproductive. He shares his belief that the CIA uses psychological tactics to manipulate individuals, drawing on his experiences with operational psychologists during his time at the agency. Kiriakou also discusses the broader implications of government overreach and the erosion of civil liberties, particularly in the context of the deep state and its influence over elected officials. He reflects on his time in prison, where he found inspiration in the stories of figures like Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King Jr., who forgave their oppressors. Kiriakou stresses the importance of forgiveness for personal peace and the need to protect civil liberties against government abuses. He concludes by expressing hope for a future where truth-telling is rewarded and lies are punished, underscoring the necessity of accountability in a democratic society.

Breaking Points

New MK ULTRA Docs EXPOSE Govt's Deepest CIA Secrets
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John Lyall, a history professor, discusses his new book on MK Ultra, the CIA's project aimed at exploring mind control through drugs like LSD. Initiated in 1953, MK Ultra arose from concerns about American POWs confessing to false charges during the Korean War, prompting fears of communist mind control techniques. The program involved unethical human experiments, including dosing unwitting subjects, leading to tragic outcomes like Frank Olsen's death. Lyall's book is based on newly discovered depositions from a 1980s lawsuit against the CIA, providing insight into the program's operations and its cultural legacy, which fuels conspiracy theories today.
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