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Marjorie Taylor Greene discusses an interview she conducted with Paymon Matajeda of the Freedom Law School, focusing on a contentious issue in America: opposition to paying income taxes and the broader concerns about the tax system, debt, foreign entanglements, fraud, waste, and accountability. She then introduces Joe Bannister, a former IRS special agent who stopped paying taxes and who joins the discussion to elaborate on his experiences.
Joe Bannister explains his background: he started with the IRS in November 1993, was sworn in in Oakland, California, and his first duty station was San Francisco. He grew up in San Jose and later served as an IRS special agent in the criminal investigation division. He recounts meeting Paymon in 1997 after being influenced by a radio host who discussed the notion that income tax wasn’t required for the majority of Americans. At that time, Bannister was an actively serving agent, working in roles such as asset forfeiture coordinator for the Central California District, organized crime task force coordinator, and firearms instructor. He describes his early curiosity and the long process of investigating these ideas, including studying at law libraries, the IRS law library, and other sources.
Bannister details that, although he was an IRS agent, he began privately researching the Federal income tax during off hours in 1997-1998, driven by a belief in upholding the Constitution. He describes how, during a large search warrant operation in Southern California, he encountered a library in a suspect’s house that contained books he himself had on his own shelf, which reinforced his suspicions. He recounts standing up to senior agents who wanted to seize more property than was authorized, arguing as asset forfeiture coordinator that they could not take items without justification. This incident marked a watershed moment, reinforcing his concern about supports for the law and the Constitution.
Bannister explains that by 1999, after receiving information from Paymon and credible outsiders—lawyers, CPAs, and other patriots—he had accumulated evidence, including Supreme Court case law, the Code of Federal Regulations, the Internal Revenue Code, and IRS internal documents (like the IRS Manual) showing that the IRS’s authority was more limited than commonly taught. He describes discovering that the same books he read were also in the IRS’s own library, indicating that the information existed within the agency but was not publicly taught or applied in prosecutions.
He recounts deciding to tell his supervisors about his findings. He prepared a factual report, focusing on the evidence and avoiding opinion, and presented it along with a transmittal letter to his group manager and higher-ups, explaining that he could not serve “two masters” and that he had an obligation to the Constitution. The response was to isolate him: within a few days, he was told the agency would not address his questions and would provide paperwork to resign; he was offered administrative leave and questioned about moving up the chain of command. On February 25, 1999 (his birthday), he resigned from the IRS after determining he could not continue in the role given his concerns about constitutional compliance.
Following resignation, Bannister returned to private practice as a CPA and worked at a firm connected to KPMG alumni, but encountered resistance when refusing to sign a W-4 withholding form without proof of a legal requirement. He asserts that there was a lack of familiarity with these tax issues among his colleagues, including at the CPA firm. He mentions that the IRS later audited him after he left, which led to revelations about fraudulent coding in their system, including a claim that he had filed a 1040A and asked the IRS to calculate his tax, which he disputes. He explains that the 1040A mechanism is something the IRS allegedly used to generate assessments against non-filers, indicating the potential breadth of this issue.
Bannister explains that he and Paymon later spoke publicly through forums such as the We the People Foundation for Constitutional Education, symposiums at the National Press Club, and appearances on C-SPAN and the New York Times. He notes that he was indicted in November 2004 on four federal felonies, including conspiring to defraud the United States and preparing three false federal income tax returns, while having not filed a federal return for five years. His defense was led by Robert Bernhoft, who also defended Wesley Snipes. Bannister was acquitted in June 2005 after seven months of preparation, with the prosecution’s own expert unable to point to any false or fraudulent entries on the returns Bannister prepared. He emphasizes that he has not paid federal income taxes since then.
The interview also covers Bannister’s reflections on the IRS’s broader practices, including a claim that the IRS lied to its own computer systems to generate assessments against non-cooperators, based on transcripts and FOIA requests. He mentions the website agentfortruth.com and his book, Investigating the Federal A: A Report to the American People (renamed in 2019 from its 1999 title). He closes by reiterating his stance that the information is a factual account of his experiences and that individuals can investigate these claims independently.