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Speaker 0 argues that when other countries contribute less, it is justified to say they should contribute more. They point to enormous Russian funds in foreign bank accounts, asking, “how much is that? 200,000,000,000,” noting that these are all Russian money abroad that is effectively frozen. It is not described as coming from impoverished Russians; rather, these funds come from Putin’s friends, the oligarchs who own billions. The SP (Socialistische Partij) has already, two years ago, said to use that money to support Ukraine. Using the funds to aid Ukraine would benefit Ukraine and affect Russia.