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Kash Patel said the FBI was not there to create the chaos; "they were there for crowd control, and they came later." He asks, "Then why in the hell were they dressed up as MAGA? You would come there over force trying to calm the crowd in uniform, not undercover, helping breaking down." The discussion questions "Where is the gun according to the FBI in this video? ... we don't see anything." The speaker notes Patel dodges questions, saying, "This is him trying to dodge a question." They cite "DNA on towel" and "DNA on a screwdriver that was found on the rooftop" but say "he never says DNA on the rifle." They point to UVU footage being grainy despite extensive cameras, saying "the best footage we get is this grainy footage here that we have seen a million times." They demand receipts, argue about "manipulation" and "assets, funding, chaos, and control," claim "Most of these people ain't even in The US" and link to "the same people involved with Epstein," closing with "frosty. Stay strapped. Stay dangerous."

The speaker claims that if videos existed of someone committing felonies on an island, the public would have seen them. They assert that there are tens of thousands of videos of Jeffrey Epstein with children or child pornography and hundreds of victims. They state that no victim will ever get released due to the volume of evidence. The speaker concludes that the FBI is diligently processing this evidence.

John and Mario discuss the breadth and implications of the Epstein files, asserting that Epstein was an access agent connected to Mossad and deeply embedded with various intelligence actors. - Epstein as Mossad access agent and broader intelligence ties: - John asserts that Epstein’s status as a Mossad access agent is correct and that Epstein sought contact with the CIA, the FBI, the National Security Council, MI5, MI6, and even Russia’s Putin. He notes emails from Epstein’s side asking for private meetings with Putin, which were granted in a restricted form, while Epstein’s attorneys reportedly filed FOIA requests with the CIA and NSC about any association with them. - The conversation expands to consider broader pressure on the DOJ and the Trump administration to redact or withhold documents, with Congresswoman May mentioned as observing DOJ monitoring of her and colleagues. - The two discuss the idea that the “movers and shakers” in American culture and the billionaire/political class are driving the cover-up, with the implication that releases mandated by law have not been fully honored. - Death of Epstein and questions about the death/mortality: - Both speakers repeatedly state “Epstein did not kill himself,” noting the belief that he was murdered and cremated, preventing body examination. - They list several anomalies surrounding Epstein’s death: attempted suicide on July 23 with deleted footage, six days of suicide watch followed by removal from watch contrary to protocol, guards’ missed rounds, an empty cell with a removed cellmate who had been violent, an unmonitored call the day before death, and camera malfunctions on the day of death. - They discuss a decoy body used in the autopsy process and discrepancies in the autopsy report (ear shape, nose, and penis appearance) and a DOJ report dated a day earlier than publicized. The discussion includes the possibility of a decoy body to mislead reporters. - A forensic expert is cited, noting that the autopsy description described a normal penis, conflicting with accounts from a victim about a deformed penis. - Redactions, sources, and the release of documents: - They argue the released files overwhelm audiences and muddy facts, with millions of documents, of which only a fraction has been released; the rest remain redacted. - John explains FOIA processes and redaction rules (sources/methods, unindicted co-conspirators, victims’ privacy), emphasizing that there is little justification to redact content about Epstein himself since he is deceased. - They compare the redaction situation to the torture report, where redacted material obscures critical findings, and point out inconsistencies in what names are redacted (e.g., Les Wexner redacted as “Les” but not his full surname). - Libyan assets, Ukraine, and other financial angles: - A memo shows Epstein plotting to loot Libya’s frozen assets, with Greg Brown (former MI6 and Mossad connections mentioned) proposing to identify recovered assets and take 5–10% as compensation, with Libya’s reconstruction spending potentially exceeding $100 billion. - The discussion notes that the U.S. Treasury rewards those who facilitate repatriation of unfrozen assets, creating incentives for private actors with intelligence ties to pursue such recoveries. - A separate thread cites a 2014 Ukraine-related discussion where Epstein allegedly said the upheaval could provide opportunities; the Rothschilds are reported to have emailed Epstein about Ukraine and asset management strategies, implying Epstein represented the Rothschilds in asset opportunities. - They discuss the possibility that events like regime changes could be exploited for personal gain, with Epstein’s reputation management and potential money-motivated exploitation of geopolitical upheavals. - Honeypots, blackmail, and sex as an intelligence instrument: - The discussion covers claims of victims receiving death threats in Hebrew, and whether this indicates Mossad involvement or a private group using Hebrew phrasing to threaten. They argue Mossad has historically used threats and spying, and Epstein’s network could include others who leveraged sexual exploits for leverage. - They examine emails describing sexual activity in a transactional manner, with grainy surveillance footage capturing some redacted sexual content, suggesting a blackmail operation rather than simple perversion alone. - They consider whether Epstein’s sex life served as a bargaining chip for intelligence services, with Epstein’s protection and coercion potentially enabling illicit activity to be used for intelligence purposes. - Notable connections and individuals: - Fergie (Sarah, Duchess of York) is discussed as having close ties to Epstein, including emails referencing “marry me” and a period after his conviction; Prince Andrew is noted as heavily implicated in the broader Epstein network. - Howard Lutnick’s name appears in the documents; his denial of involvement with Epstein is highlighted as a potential discrepancy given the surrounding evidence. - The possibility that redacted materials could still reveal high-level connections or be weaponized against political figures is considered, with the overarching view that information could resurface or be released later to influence politics. - Final stance and ongoing investigation: - John maintains that Epstein’s role as an intelligence asset is supported by the files released to date and that more documents remain to be disclosed. He emphasizes that the situation involves intersecting intelligence communities, financial opportunism, and political exposure, with ongoing questions about the true extent of who knew what and who protected whom. The conversation closes with an acknowledgment that more files will likely be released, more information will emerge, and expert analysis will continue to evolve.

James Palmer claimed yesterday that all the Epstein files are missing and asked for confirmation, noting that some have not heard back. The response: No. The FBI is reviewing; there are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn, and there are hundreds of victims. And no one victim will ever get released. It's just the volume, and that's what they're going through right now. The FBI is diligently going through that. The speaker says they haven't seen that statement but will call Palmer later and find out.

James Palmer said yesterday that all the Epstein files are missing. The other person asks to confirm and notes some people haven’t heard from them. The response: No. The FBI, they're reviewing there are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn, and there are hundreds of victims. And no one victim will ever get released. It’s just the volume, and that's what they're going through right now. The FBI is diligently going through that. The speaker adds, I haven't seen that statement, but I'll call him later and find out.

The speaker states they are investigating Epstein's death and will release as much information as possible, including video of the cell. They believe Epstein killed himself, citing their experience with jail suicides and the difficulty of running an operation in that detention center without detection. The speaker addresses reports of guards sleeping and cameras being down, but says footage will be released. They mention a forensic scientist, Dr. Michael Baden, who determined the death was a homicide due to a broken bone in Epstein's neck, but acknowledge the New York City medical examiner disputes this, calling it a "war of experts." The speaker became aware of the video footage recently and addresses reports of mistakenly erased footage, suggesting people ask those in power at the time. They acknowledge AI's ability to create convincing forgeries, but claim the footage is authentic. They state that even if Epstein was murdered, the information that could damage powerful people is already out there. They insist they would pursue the case if there was any evidence of murder.

The speaker discusses public outrage following claims from the Department of Justice and FBI that there was no Epstein client list, no blackmail, and that Epstein killed himself. Pam Bondi stated she had a file to review, including JFK and MLK files. While there may not be a single client list, Bill Clinton's name appeared in Epstein's phone log 21 times, and flight logs show numerous trips to Epstein's island. Bondi said flight logs with many names would be released, but they have not been. Bondi stated that thousands of videos turned out to be child porn downloaded by Epstein, but reports indicate Epstein's residences were rigged with video cameras capturing footage of bedrooms and bathrooms. The FBI seized hundreds of hard drives, USBs, CDs, and backup servers from Epstein's properties, some labeled "nude girl pics." Bondi had no knowledge of Epstein being an agent. Epstein had over $500 million and three US passports, plus an Australian passport listing Saudi Arabia as his home country. The speaker concludes that the current narrative attempts to rewrite what is known about Epstein and that the hope for transparency has been snuffed out.

Host: The discussion covers a range of new findings and questions about Jeffrey Epstein’s death and the surrounding investigations, focusing on footage, forensics, coded communications, and the involvement of powerful figures. JP: They claimed the prison cameras weren’t working, but footage shows at least one camera in Epstein’s area was recording. The cameras supposedly stopped the day Epstein was released back into the prison and were fixed the day after he died. Host: There’s a statement about Epstein being found dead in a cell dated Friday, August 9, but Epstein was found unresponsive at 06:30 a.m. on August 10. An OCME official said he would arrive at the loading dock with a black vehicle to thwart the media, and asked if a decoy body is a common tactic. Is that standard practice? JP: It’s exceptionally unusual. I’ve never heard of a decoy body used to trick the press in this context. Host: There’s mention that Epstein’s ear looked off compared with what’s typical in descriptions, and that forensic exams describe his penis as the penis of a normal circumcised male, which contradicts victims’ descriptions. JP: There’s been “a lot of powerful” footage from the prison area the day after Epstein’s death; the DOJ has removed some material from their site. The cameras not recording to the DVR was a known issue; a specific camera allegedly focused directly on Epstein’s housing area was reportedly not recording, yet a clip exists from that camera. Host: They’ve found sulfuric acid purchases. One line of thought is water treatment for a pool on Epstein’s island, but sulfuric acid could also be used to decompose bodies. There’s debate about whether Epstein would hire a water-treatment company or buy acid himself, and a tweet-inflamed exchange about its use in drugs. JP: There are claims that sulfuric acid could be for water treatment or for decomposing bodies; another theory is that it’s used for meth production. There’s also a claim that a hotel-ban on sulfuric acid purchases was posted, and Elon Musk and Roger Stone commented—Stone denying the “dead bodies” theory and saying it’s for drugs. Host: The discussion shifts to a hearing with Pam Bondi, which was described as unhelpful—she wouldn’t answer direct questions. This aligns with a broader frustration that the DOJ hasn’t followed up sufficiently on questions raised by leaked material. JP: The code-language topic: pizza and grape soda appear in emails that are redacted or ambiguous. A common interpretation is that pizza refers to girls and grape soda to something else, with other terms like cheese, pasta, and beef jerky appearing in the communications. Host: A DOJ intelligence bulletin maps code words used by pedophiles; “pizza” correlates with girl, “pasta” with little boy, “cheese” with little girl, and “beef jerky” appears in multiple messages. There’s a specific exchange: Jeremy Epstein’s people discuss a “torture” topic in an email chain, and others reference “torture videos” or “torture” in various contexts. JP: The interpretation of “torture” could be sexual in nature (role-playing) or something more explicit; there’s a push to see if the language is literal or coded. The difficulty is prosecutorial—coded language can be hard to prove in court, and people often plead plausible deniability. Host: There are examples like a discussion about “shrimp” and “white sharks” with references to Russian girls, and a separate exchange on “a baby” being bought, with Epstein replying in a way that avoids explicit commitment—further supporting the idea of evasion via coded or oblique language. JP: There’s a long thread involving a Harvard professor, a Nigerian-Portuguese contact, and an Israeli operation thread; Epstein’s reply, “I loved the torture video,” is read as a sexual or possibly role-playing reference, though another interpretation is that it’s about a non-literal, sexualized scenario. The doctor-patient or professional context is complicated by the presence of sexual tokens and “torture” terminology. Host: There’s also a notable exchange about “an aquarium full of girls” and “white sharks” with reference to Russian girls, and a line about a “king of Saudi” with possible high-level connections. The breadth of names—royal, political, academic—suggests a wide network, possibly used for blackmail, leverage, or influence. JP: A recurring theme is blackmail: Epstein’s network could have backed or driven blackmail operations. There are redacted or partially redacted files that could contain more explicit material, including a photo involving a public figure with a girl; even if the girl is over 18, the context remains incriminating and suspicious. Host: The possibility Epstein is alive remains a fringe theory, but there are inconsistent elements—the ear and nose differences in purported body images, the decoy body claim, and the press-release date discrepancy—that feed ongoing speculation about whether there was a replacement or manipulation of the body, or whether a genuine death occurred with unresolved questions remaining. JP: Overall, the files present a web of coded language, high-profile associations, and forensic ambiguities that keep fueling questions about Epstein’s death, the handling of evidence, and the breadth of possible blackmail networks tied to powerful individuals. Host: The conversation ends with a plan to revisit these threads, given the ongoing releases and the sheer volume of material, acknowledging that each new item tends to expand the mystery rather than resolve it.

Speaker 0 asks why Dan Bongino and Kesh Patel claimed it was a suicide, noting "we know the cover up happened." Speaker 1 says there is no evidence backing the suicide claim, "they've released no evidence that makes me believe that at all," and references a video they deem ridiculous; "I spent months on this story with Jeffrey Epstein's brother Mark, the only survivor in that family who believes he was murdered and has a lot of evidence that he was." They mention "there were 12 inmates in the secure part of the facility" and say they don't understand why others think it. About Dan, Speaker 1 says, "In Dan's case, just knowing him well, I can say I believe that he believed it. I don't believe it." They discuss honesty reducing suspicion and conspiracy theories. Speaker 1 shares a personal note: admitting you advocated a disaster liberated you; "salvation on this earth."

Speaker 0 suggests that if video evidence existed of someone committing felonies on an island, it would be public knowledge. Speaker 1 claims there are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child pornography, involving hundreds of victims. They state that no victim information will be released due to the sheer volume of material, which the FBI is currently processing.

The FBI released video footage from the investigation into Jeffrey Epstein's death, which Deputy Director Dan Bongino claimed clearly showed Epstein alone in his cell. However, video forensics experts suggest inconsistencies between the video, government officials' statements, and a DOJ Inspector General report. The video, from a camera monitoring the Special Housing Unit, captures a sliver of the staircase leading to Epstein's cell. It shows Epstein being escorted to his cell block at 7:49 PM, but the camera's limited view makes it impossible to confirm no one else used the stairs afterward. Experts noted a cursor appearing on screen at 11:21 PM, suggesting the video may have been screen-recorded and edited. Metadata analysis indicated the video was stitched together from two clips and saved multiple times. A minute of footage is missing at 11:58 PM, attributed by Pam Bondi to a nightly system reset, though the full, unedited footage has not been released. The video also raises questions about access to Epstein's unit. Despite claims that the unit was secured and required a key, the video appears to show someone entering without staff assistance. The video ends at 6:40 AM, after Thomas discovered Epstein and Noel called for help. The DOJ and FBI have not provided further clarification.

James Palmer stated that all the Epstein files are missing. The speaker clarified that some files are missing. The FBI is reviewing tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn, involving hundreds of victims. No victim's information will be released due to the volume of material. The FBI is diligently reviewing the files. The speaker hasn't seen James Palmer's statement.

Jeffrey Epstein's brother, Mark, believes that the evidence suggests Jeffrey did not commit suicide. Epstein was found unconscious in his jail cell in July with marks on his neck. The attorney for Epstein's cellmate requested video footage to prove his client saved Epstein's life, but the Metropolitan Correctional Center initially claimed they couldn't find it. They later announced they had the video, but now federal prosecutors say it no longer exists. Mark Epstein questions the suicide narrative, pointing out that the noose found in the cell doesn't show any cut marks and couldn't have supported Epstein's weight. He also mentions that Jeffrey frequently changed his will and that the recent change had nothing to do with his criminal case. A hearing with live testimony is being requested to determine what happened to the video.

The speaker claims that if videos existed of someone committing felonies on an island, they would be released. They assert that there are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child pornography and hundreds of victims. The speaker states that no victim information will be released due to the volume of evidence. They claim the FBI is diligently going through this evidence.

James Palmer stated that all the Epstein files are missing. The FBI is reviewing tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn, involving hundreds of victims. No victim information will be released due to the volume of material. The FBI is diligently going through the evidence.

John and Mario discuss the EpsteinFiles with a focus on who is behind the cover-up, the involvement of intelligence services, and the implications for justice and power. - Epstein as Mossad asset and broader intelligence links: - John reiterates his original conclusion that Epstein was a Mossad access agent and adds that he was actively seeking contact with the CIA, the FBI, the NSC, MI5/MI6, Germany, and even Vladimir Putin, aiming to burnish his credentials with intelligence communities. Epstein allegedly requested private meetings with Putin, which were arranged with others present, and there were FOIA requests by Epstein’s attorneys to confirm associations with the CIA and NSC, which reportedly went unanswered. - Mario notes Epstein’s access to the Skiff (a highly restricted, sealed room for classified discussions) and argues Epstein’s entry suggests closer ties to American intelligence, since only Five Eyes would have access to such a space. He contrasts this with a broader view that the “movers and shakers” in American culture and the billionaire/political classes drive the cover-up, as evidenced by congressional mandates to release documents and the DOJ’s involvement. - The discussion flags that the released files show Epstein’s attempts to connect with major intelligence actors, and hints at a possible broader Israeli involvement (Mossad) and questions about whether Israelis were spying on the CIA/NSC. - The scope of the release and accountability: - John emphasizes that Congress passed a law mandating release of these documents; the executive branch has not released all materials, with millions unreleased and only a fraction of available data being disclosed (debate around 2% of data released in some outlets). He criticizes the DOJ for surveillance-like behavior of congressional briefings (e.g., a DOJ official observing members while they review materials). He also notes the CIA/FBI/FIVE EYES redactions that obscure sources and methods, and argues that there should be little redaction since Epstein is deceased. - Mario adds that the files reveal extensive redactions and questions about what remains unreleased, comparing it to the torture report’s redactions, and suggests the redactions may be politically or strategically motivated. - Notable file threads and alleged illicit activities: - A Libyan assets subplot: An associate, Greg Brown, discusses identifying and recovering frozen Libyan assets (potentially 80+ billion dollars). The plan purportedly offered Epstein a percentage (10-25%) for recovery, with Libya’s reconstruction as a potential cost. Brown claimed connections with MI6 and Mossad to identify stolen assets, illustrating a pattern of opportunities for private actors to profit from geopolitical upheavals. - Ukraine 2014 dispatches: A tweet claimed that Epstein, in 2014, discussed opportunities arising from Ukraine upheaval, with the Rothschilds emailing Epstein to discuss asset management and Ukraine, implying Epstein represented the Rothschilds in exploring opportunities amid regime changes. - The role of wealth and elite involvement: Mario and John describe how Epstein’s financial power enabled him to operate at the intersection of intelligence and global finance; the “go-to” for large asset claims is a reality that would require serious governmental or intelligence ties. - Death of Epstein and questions surrounding it: - The panel discusses the widely accepted view that Epstein did not kill himself, citing multiple irregularities: the July 23 attempt, the deletion of relevant footage, Epstein’s removal from suicide watch against protocol, a mass-murderer cellmate, unmonitored calls, camera malfunctions, and a decoy body claim. They discuss the autopsy differences (ear shape, penis description) and an DOJ note dated a day earlier than the death as a potential anomaly. - John explains that in the federal system prison guards’ qualifications and camera reliability are problematic, and argues that the death raises serious questions about the suicide narrative, while acknowledging a lack of inside information to confirm any particular theory. They discuss a decoy body and the possibility that Epstein was secretly killed, with ongoing debates about whether he’s alive or dead. - They reference a note about an escape plan and a will being signed days before death, suggesting Epstein anticipated danger and attempted to plan escape, though this is balanced against the argument that prisoners often contemplate escape. - Victims, threats, and blackmail: - They recount death threats to Epstein’s victims, including threats in Hebrew and references to Mossad-like intimidation. John explains that Western intelligence rarely issues direct threats to civilians, whereas Mossad has historically used such tactics; Epstein’s circle included individuals who reportedly faced threats and harassment. - They discuss Epstein’s private security cameras and alleged blackmail operations, citing emails in which victims describe transactional sexual experiences and Epstein’s networks. They consider whether intelligence agencies exploited Epstein’s perversion to further strategic aims and whether those networks used blackmail to recruit or control powerful individuals (e.g., Prince Andrew, Les Wexner, etc.). - High-profile associations and potential redactions: - Fergie (Sarah Ferguson) is mentioned as having close ties with Epstein, including emails after his conviction and marriage-like language; Prince Andrew is highlighted as heavily implicated. They discuss whether these relationships were used for blackmail or influence, and whether such information remains usable as leverage. - The breadth of individuals implicated ranges from Trump to Clinton to business titans; John notes there is no direct evidence of crimes by Trump or Clinton in released materials, but the extent of connections complicates public perception. - Conclusion and ongoing questions: - The conversation closes with an agreement that Epstein’s death and the surrounding files reveal a web of intelligence connections, high-level influence, and potential blackmail, with substantial redactions and a continuing need for full disclosure to understand the full extent of involvement, high-level figures, and the truth behind Epstein’s death. They anticipate further file releases and ongoing analysis.

The discussion centers on the lack of transparency surrounding the Epstein case, focusing on the alleged client list and the circumstances of his death. Kash Patel questioned why the FBI was supposedly protecting a "pederist" by withholding the list. Tom Fenton suggests a reluctance to release names for political reasons, even non-incriminating ones. He highlights the FBI's denial of documents related to Pam Bondi's investigation. Molly Hemingway criticizes the FBI for prioritizing narrative management over transparency. A former inmate doubts Epstein's suicide, citing the cell's layout and constant surveillance. Fenton points out conflicting forensic investigations into Epstein's death and questions the release of inconclusive video footage. He notes the government's reluctance to release further documents, citing conspiracy theories. The speakers question whether Epstein acted alone, the extent of information shared, and the need for a clearer explanation of his associations and activities.