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In early February, we were tasked by the White House to assess countries based on adherence to international laws on weapons use and humanitarian aid. Despite working on the report, we were removed before its release. When it came out on May 10th, it surprisingly acknowledged Israel's potential violation of international laws with US weapons but also stated that Israel is not impeding humanitarian aid. This was unexpected and contradictory to previous actions by the White House.

Speaker 0 recalls writing a resignation email. Speaker 1 states: "That report will haunt us. And it does, and it haunts me. The determination that Israel is not blocking humanitarian assistance is patently, demonstrably false." In April, Stacey Gilbert was asked for her input on a Biden administration report on whether Israel was committing war crimes in Gaza. "I was shocked to see that it said in very clear terms, it is our determination that Israel is not blocking humanitarian assistance." The subject matter experts were removed, and the report was moved up to a higher level. "We were told you will see the report when it is released publicly." And after reading, she said: "I wasn't sure I read that correctly. I read it again, and I sent an email then that I would resign as a result of that."

The dialogue centers on casualties in Gaza and the broader human impact of the conflict. One participant states that the government has admitted 70,000 people were killed, a figure they had not previously disclosed. From their perspective, there are 70,000 killed, with many of the victims described as children and women, explicitly noting that they are labeled as terrorists according to Israeli categories. When asked what percentage of the dead are women and children, the speaker confirms that there are statistics out there, but asserts that the vast majority are women and children. The discussion then turns to access and movement: is it possible to know who can go to Gaza? Over the last couple of years in Gaza, the question is raised about what happened and whether there will ever be a clear answer. The speaker believes that people will ultimately know in one way or another, but emphasizes that the catastrophe there is unparalleled and cannot be healed. The sheer scale of destruction and death is described as heartbreak, with the speaker stating that there are no words to convey the impact. They anticipate that at some point, people will understand who did what, why it happened, and how it came to be, but for now the bottom line is that there are people who are suffering and dying as a direct result of violence, which they describe as devastating. The exchange concludes with a question about the speaker’s treatment in Israel, to which no explicit answer is provided in the transcript. Throughout, the emphasis remains on the human toll of the violence in Gaza, the stated casualty figures and demographic composition, the ongoing questions about accountability and causation, and the lasting, devastating impact on civilians. The dialogue underscores a sense of unresolved inquiry about access and movement into Gaza in the context of a catastrophe, while foregrounding the personal experience of suffering and loss wrought by the conflict.

Hamas reportedly murdered six hostages, including American Hirsch Gilbert-Poland, in cold blood in tunnels under Rafa. The hostages were allegedly shot in the head before a potential rescue by the Israeli Defense Forces. According to the speaker, these hostages were discovered in tunnels under Rafa, the same location that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris allegedly pressured Israel not to enter for months, using arms embargoes. Kamala Harris stated that a major military operation in Rafa would be a huge mistake because she studied the maps and determined there was nowhere for the people to go. The speaker claims that the Biden-Harris administration should not have pressured Israel to restrain its response, but instead allowed Israel to win from the outset. They allege that for 11 months, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have put more pressure on Israel than on Hamas, Iran, and Iran's other terror proxies.

Speaker says 'Fact is now Bibi and the Israeli hard right government has a mandate' I gotta be careful the way I say this. 'To they're gonna try to ethnically cleanse Gaza.' They say 'They're talking about basically removing 2,500,000 people from that.' 'And honestly, they have a mandate to go seek justice and revenge.' They add: 'the idea that they need to have a true truce or a peace treaty, that's more after you see women and children be burned alive and dragged to the streets.' But there are some serious questions here, Patrick. And let me tell you, my pattern recognition over the last five years has become pretty sharp. 'COVID, Maui fires, you know, Epstein.' 'When I see a story and it doesn't click, we're our guts are usually right.'

The speaker acknowledges that the Israeli government and the US are part of the problem. They mention that in 2000, the Israeli government offered a Palestinian state, but it was turned down by Arafat and the PLO. There were also unsuccessful attempts to bring Palestinians and Israelis together during the speaker's time as Secretary of State. The speaker highlights that Israel left Gaza in 2005, but Hamas destroyed the infrastructure left behind and caused harm to Palestinians. They believe it is important to dislodge Hamas and work towards a two-state solution.

The administration is aware of reports that Israeli forces fired on Palestinians seeking aid from the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. The Red Cross reported that 20 people arrived at their hospital with gunshot wounds and died. The administration is investigating the veracity of these reports, stating they don't take Hamas' word as truth. The speaker criticized the BBC for initially reporting Israeli tanks and gunfire killed dozens, then retracting the story after reviewing footage and finding no evidence. The speaker stated they will look into reports before confirming them or taking action and suggested journalists do the same to reduce misinformation.

Nora Erakat, a human rights attorney and associate professor at Rutgers University, discusses the recent visit of US Secretary of State Antony Blinken to the region. She criticizes Blinken's tour as a failure, stating that the US has given Israel the green light to attack the Palestinian population. Erakat argues that this is not a war against Hamas, but a genocidal campaign targeting the Palestinian people. She accuses Israel of violating the genocide convention and claims that the US is on the brink of causing a regional war. Israel denies these accusations.

The discussion centers on whether Netanyahu's government is in serious trouble and what recent developments suggest about Israeli politics and the Gaza situation. - Protests and public sentiment in Israel: Proponents point to large weekly protests in Tel Aviv against Netanyahu, noting claims of “massive protests” that have drawn thousands, with some saying a quarter of a million previously. The speakers emphasize that demonstrations before October 7 indicated substantial opposition to Netanyahu, including calls for a commission of inquiry into corruption and judicial overreach. They also acknowledge a shift after October 7, with Netanyahu attempting to build a coalition and currently holding about 65 of 120 seats, suggesting he remains in power. One speaker asserts that protests are used politically, while acknowledging their scale in the center of Israel. - Netanyahu’s political standing and coalition: The speakers describe Netanyahu as facing multiple felony charges related to corruption and note his history of coalition-building with smaller parties. They argue that war and conflict are used domestically to unite the population and distract from corruption allegations. They suggest Netanyahu’s government is the most extreme right-wing in Israel’s history, with two cabinet ministers having felony convictions for anti-Arab hate crimes and holding key security and finance roles. The prognosis offered is that Netanyahu is not likely to be removed from power soon, potentially leading through 2030. - Funds to Hamas via Qatar before October 7: A new report from the Tel Aviv newspaper Idiot “Iranath” states that Israel asked Qatar to increase funds transferred to Hamas in Gaza less than a month before October 7. The claim is that Netanyahu-era officials knew the money would enable Hamas to divert funds to arms and military preparedness, and that Hamas was exploiting Qatar’s civilian aid to strengthen its military capabilities. The discussion emphasizes that Israel funds Hamas indirectly through Qatar, and that nothing entering Gaza happens without Israeli knowledge or approval. - Stand-down orders and the October 7 attack: The conversation discusses Israeli stand-down orders and the protests among IDF soldiers about the events of October 7. There is an assertion that some young women in IDF outposts were put at risk, with questions about what the government knew and whether it allowed certain actions. The speakers describe a view that the Israeli military and political leadership may have been complicit or negligent regarding operations on October 7, including claims about attempted obfuscation of investigations and the Hannibal directive. - CIA, John Kiriakou, and past U.S. behavior: The dialogue references CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou, noting his exposure of the Bush torture program and contrasting U.S. actions with Israeli policies. John Kiriakou comments on his experiences in the Middle East, including an anecdote about discussions in Riyadh in 1991 regarding Gaza’s infrastructure, and he asserts that Netanyahu’s government is deeply integrated with actions surrounding Hamas. - Prospects for accountability and investigations: The speakers express strong doubt about a credible investigation into October 7, arguing that Israel is in “survival mode” and that Netanyahu will not be imprisoned. They describe proposed commission arrangements as potentially whitewashing, with Netanyahu seeking to appoint some members himself, and they predict that the investigation is unlikely to be thorough or independent. - Summary stance: The discussion presents Netanyahu as politically resilient despite corruption charges, with a broad right-wing coalition and ongoing protests. It underscores the interconnections between Israeli funding structures for Hamas through Qatar, the alleged stand-downs surrounding October 7, and perceived obstacles to a transparent, independent accountability process.

The speaker was asked why not blame Hamas for the atrocities. They explained their mission was to gather information, not assign blame. The speaker acknowledged the frustration of the people of Israel and emphasized the need for the government to provide access for further investigation.

From a firsthand account about the whistleblower within ODNI who worked for then, Obama's DNI, James Clapper, about how he refused to go along with this. "As a result, he was sidelined and cut out of this." "He was the cyber guy in the director, in the director of national intelligence, James Clapper's, team." "He was sidelined because he wouldn't play along with the lie that they were creating, and he did blow the whistle." "He raised this through the ICIG." "He raised this, tried to raise this with multiple members of congress, including senator Warner." "He never got calls back." "They were not interested in what he had to say and what he had experienced." "He even tried then to go and report this to the Department of Justice, under, president Biden and was refused." "No action." "They were not interested in taking action in this."

Shahid Gureshi, a State Department press officer since September who covers Israeli-Palestinian affairs, says three events on Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday built up to aggravate radical ideologues at the State Department and in Embassy Jerusalem, leading to his firing: the killing of Anas and colleagues; the line about forced displacement; and the Judea and Samaria line. He alleges senior officials like Milstein in Embassy Jerusalem and others in the secretary’s office "combined to get me fired" by week’s end. Regarding condolences for journalists killed in an Israeli airstrike, he says "we can't provide condolences because Israel has claimed we don't know" and criticizes relying on Israelis for intelligence. Milstein, "the senior adviser to Mike Huckabee, The US ambassador to Israel," is described as influential and as editing his briefing docs with late "surprise morning edits." He plans to speak out on policy and language, aiming to flag radical changes and guardrails.

The speaker criticizes the US for using its veto power to prevent an immediate ceasefire in conflict zones. They question the validity of Israel's claims about hospitals being used as shields, citing previous unverified instances. They highlight the lack of foreign journalists in the region due to Israel's restrictions. The speaker urges journalists to challenge Israel's narrative and demand evidence. They emphasize the need for a diplomatic solution and condemn the loss of Palestinian lives. The speaker concludes by stating that genocide is never acceptable and calls for greater scrutiny. The transcript ends with gratitude towards Nora Erakat, a human rights attorney.

In a discussion about a Biden administration report on Gaza, Speaker 1 recounts Her resignation over what she perceived as amisleading conclusion. She says, "I said that report will haunt us. And it does, and it haunts me. The determination that Israel is not blocking humanitarian assistance is patently, demonstrably false." In April, Stacey Gilbert was asked for her input on the administration’s report regarding whether Israel was committing war crimes in Gaza. Speaker 0 notes that Gilbert was asked for input, and Gilbert confirms she advised that the conclusion was not the case. She states, "The subject matter experts were removed, and the report was moved up to a higher level. We were told you will see the report when it is released publicly." When the report was released, it "just doesn't include what you had to say?" Gilbert responds, "I wasn't sure I read that correctly. I read it again and I sent an email then that I would resign as a result of that." Overall, the exchange highlights Gilbert’s claim that the report claimed Israel was not blocking humanitarian assistance, despite her advice to the contrary, the removal of subject matter experts, the report being elevated, and her subsequent decision to consider resigning after the public release did not reflect her input.

In 2008, an AP staffer says he was the first to erase information from a story due to threats from Hamas. The detail removed stated that Hamas fighters dressed as civilians were being counted as civilians in the death toll. The staffer says he suggested an editor's note about complying with Hamas censorship but was overruled. Since then, the AP and other organizations allegedly collaborate with Hamas censorship in Gaza, focusing on civilian casualties while obscuring militant deaths and Hamas's military strategy. Casualty numbers are reportedly provided by the Hamas-controlled Gaza Health Ministry, shaping the narrative. The speaker claims the press has become an amplifier for Hamas's ideology. All reporters in Gaza are Palestinian, and they allegedly either identify with, are intimidated by, or belong to Hamas. The speaker suggests this dynamic results in biased reporting that portrays Israel negatively.