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We have special relationships with our friends in the UK and some European allies. However, there have been infringements on free speech that affect not just the British, which is their business, but also American tech companies and citizens. This is something we'll discuss. We've had free speech for a long time in the UK, and it will continue. We wouldn't want to overreach with US citizens, and we don't. I'm very proud of our history of free speech in the UK.

Guy Mettin argues that Russophobia is rooted in religious and historical narratives that long predate modern geopolitics. He traces the irrational hostility toward Russia to deep-seated religious split dynamics, notably the Schism between Western Catholics and Eastern Orthodox in the eleventh century, and the way Catholic propaganda cast Byzantium’s Orthodox as schismatic, barbarian, and despotic. After Byzantium fell, Russia claimed the Orthodox heritage, which then fed a narrative of confrontation with Western Europe. In the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, Western powers weaponized this narrative to justify anti-Russian sentiment as Russia rose as a European power after Peter the Great and Catherine II. A key example is the forged “testament of Peter the Great,” which France’s Louis XV, Napoleon, Britain after Vienna 1815, and later U.S. circles used to cast Russia as aiming to conquer the West, justifying preemptive actions and fear-driven policy. He notes the testament’s repeated misuse by Napoleon, the British, and even post-Vienna propaganda that shaped decades of Russophobia, including cartoons and cultural depictions like Bram Stoker’s Dracula as a symbol of Russian aristocracy. He emphasizes that this phobia has two functions: the belief that Western security depends on opposing Russia, and the idea that failure to act against Russia invites invasion. This dual function persists in contemporary discourse, where European calls for more weapons to deter Russia echo the old premise that what happens on Russia’s borders determines Europe’s fate. He asserts that Russia has not historically aggressed against Western Europe in the way Western narratives claim; rather, invasions often originated from the West (Teutonic knights, Mongols, Poland, Sweden, Napoleonic France, Germany, Britain). Russia’s own incursions into Europe have been responses to aggression by others, such as Napoleon’s invasion or Hitler’s World War II actions. The discussion turns to how the West constructs an ethical framework in which liberal democracy and human rights are presented as universal ideals, and any actions by Russia are interpreted through that lens. This leads to a paradox: when European powers sanction Russian academics or journalists in the name of defending freedom of expression, it appears inconsistent with the First Amendment protections observed in the United States, while Europe pursues sanctions that curb scholarly debate. He cites specific cases: sanctions against Swiss journalist Xavier Meurice and Jacques Bou, and mentions the sanctioning of other researchers; he also highlights Thierry Breton’s sanctioning by the United States as an example of perceived contradictions in Western policy. He contrasts the greater freedom of opinion in the U.S. with growing European censorship and the suppression of discourse on topics such as NATO expansion and U.S. involvement in Ukraine. Mettin discusses how Western journalists and NGOs may be influenced or embedded within foreign policy aims. He recalls Udo Ulfkotte’s critique of the “corrupted journalist” ecosystem—NATO/N Atlantis-linked influence, seminars, and conferences designed to mold media narratives. He recounts personal experiences in Sarajevo during the 1990s, where journalists were invited by NATO and the UN and later found the narrative they were fed to be constructed. He argues that funding sources, such as Open Society foundations, can bias investigative journalism, leading to a loss of independence, as observed in his experience with the Consortium of International Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) under Soros-Open Society money. The conversation shifts to the global dimension of Russophobia. He notes a growing anti-Russian sentiment is not shared elsewhere; in parts of Africa, Asia, and Latin America, there are relatively more favorable or nuanced attitudes toward Russia, which gives him optimism that the anti-Russian stance in Europe may eventually wane. He suggests broadening analysis to Ukraine and Eastern Europe—Finland, the Baltic states, Poland, Romania, Moldova—to understand how resentment toward Soviet-era rule persists and morphs into modern attitudes toward Russia, even as the Soviet past fades. Towards the end, he mentions Orban in Hungary as an example of a leader who can separate past anti-Russian sentiment from a rational present-day policy, arguing for a more principled approach. He closes with an endorsement of discussing these issues openly and hopes that the hate of Russia will eventually diminish. He invites listeners to read his book, Russophobia, and thanks the interviewer, Maxime, for the dialogue.

Foreign governments are using their own laws to censor information for Americans, like the EU's Digital Services Act, which threatens companies with fines if they don't comply. We've requested communications between these foreign entities and tech companies to reveal this pressure. We're also sending letters to the UK, EU, and Brazil to put them on notice that we're watching their actions. It's unacceptable for foreign governments to undermine the First Amendment rights of Americans. We saw this with the Biden administration pressuring companies to censor, which thankfully has been stopped. Free speech is a core value of Western civilization, and we must protect it. We're aiming to safeguard the rights of Americans and help companies resist these shakedowns.

Muslims in Britain and Western Europe have more rights, including freedom of worship, than in any Islamic country. However, problems arise when failures of Islamic societies, such as intolerance of freedom of conscience, apostates, expression, minorities, and women, are imported into Britain. The call for a parallel legal system is considered monstrous, as no other group demands such a thing. The speaker asserts that Western Europe's laws are based on reason, while Islam's are based on revelation, creating a fundamental conflict. It is the Muslims of Europe who have let down Europe. Muslims must understand they have no right not to be offended and cannot justify violence or censorship because they dislike something. They should not demand more hate laws to defend Islam. A society where even the deepest feelings can be challenged is the only one worth living in. Islam has failed Europe and its own Muslims.

Some members of the media use their platforms to push their personal bias and agenda, controlling people's thoughts. This is dangerous.

Patrick Baab and the host discuss the perceived erosion of freedom of expression in Europe and the role of governments and institutions in pressuring speech. - Baab asserts that there is “no freedom of speech in the EU anymore,” citing a 160-page US Congress report published in February that allegedly finds the EU Commission created a system of complete censorship across the European Union. The report states the EU regime “pressured platforms in the Internet to suppress lawful speech, including speech that was true simply because it was politically inconvenient,” and that the Commission is transforming itself “into a censorship authority against democracy.” - The discussion moves to Jacques Baud (spelled Baud by Baab, sometimes Jacques Baud), a Swiss colonel and analyst who argued that the war in Ukraine had been provoked. Baab notes Baud was sanctioned by the EU, with consequences including travel bans, frozen assets, and limited monthly food funds (€500). Baud cannot travel to Switzerland; his bank accounts and property are frozen, and neighbors reportedly cook for him. Baab calls these measures extralegal, asserting they punish a person for an argument, not for crimes, and claims such sanctions illustrate a mechanism to suppress dissent. - Baab elaborates that Baud’s sanction is part of a broader pattern: “extralegal sanctions” against multiple individuals (Baud and 58 others) within and partly outside the EU, aimed at silencing those who challenge NATO or EU narratives. He argues this signals a “death of freedom” and a move to shut mouths through sanctions. - The host asks if the media’s shift toward propaganda is temporary or permanent. Baab responds that the transformation is structural: democracy in Europe is becoming anti-democratic and warmongering despotism. He cites Viktor Orban’s view that the EU intends to wage war against Russia, with propaganda and censorship as two sides of the same coin to close public debate. Baab says the war will be ugly, as Russia has warned it could escalate to nuclear conflict, and ties this to investments in Ukraine (Shell deal) that were lost when territories changed hands, implying economic motivations behind policy and casualties for profits. - The conversation turns to self-censorship. Baab describes widespread fear among journalists and academics; many refused to join a board intended to assist Baud, fearing repercussions. He cites a US Congress report alleging the EU manipulated eight elections, including Romania, Slovakia, and France. He also notes the EU Commission’s engagement with major platforms (Meta, Google, TikTok, X, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, Rumble, Reddit, OpenAI) to enforce content management under EU rules, threatening sanctions if not compliant. - Reputational attacks against critics are discussed. Baab shares experiences of smear campaigns, such as being misrepresented as a “Putin poll watcher” in Germany, and notes that state- and EU-funded NGOs sometimes amplify misinformation. He argues mainstream media generally ignores these issues, turning to “new media” and independent outlets as alternatives for information. - On Germany specifically, Baab identifies EU-level figures (German-origin leaders) who drive censorship: Ursula von der Leyen as EU Commission President (authorized COVID-19 disinformation monitoring), Vera Jorova (values and transparency), Thierry Breton (pressures on platforms), Prabhat Agarwal (Digital Services Act enforcement), and Renate Künast (translating DSA into practice). He says national governments decide sanctions but pass the burden to Brussels, creating a “kickback game.” He notes the German Bundestag extended EU sanctions into national law, punishing any helper of a sanctioned person with up to ten years’ imprisonment. - For optimism, Baab says Europe needs external help, such as the US Congress report, and citizens must seek alternative information sources and organize to defend democratic rights, including voting for different parties. He suggests that without broad public pushback, the propaganda system will persist. - The discussion closes with reflections on broader geopolitical dynamics, warnings about a multipolar world, and a dystopian vision of a Europe dominated by conflict and state control, with elites colluding with Western powers at the expense of ordinary citizens.

Australia recently passed a sweeping hate speech law with minimal debate, sparking widespread concerns about free speech. The law's justification centers on combating antisemitism, despite a lack of concrete evidence linking alleged attacks to perpetrators or clear motives. Critics argue the law is overly broad, potentially criminalizing religious teachings and silencing dissent. The shift from requiring intent to incite violence to merely being "reckless" raises serious concerns about potential misuse and arbitrary enforcement. The law carries mandatory jail sentences, even for unintentional breaches. This rapid passage and its implications for free speech are alarming, and similar legislation based on the IHRA definition of antisemitism is being considered globally, raising concerns about the erosion of fundamental rights in other countries, including the US. We urge you to pay attention to this pattern of events.

Citizens in the UK are being imprisoned for exposing crimes committed by Muslim migrants, which the government seeks to hide. In Romania, elections were suspended by bureaucrats in Brussels due to disapproval of the winning party. Wokeism's strategy is to discredit those who challenge these issues by labeling them. If you are white, you are labeled a racist; if male, a misogynist; if wealthy, a cruel capitalist; and if heterosexual, heteronormative or homophobic. They suppress dissent through force or legal means, masking their desire to eliminate criticism and freedom under the guise of diversity, democracy, and tolerance, all to maintain a system that benefits them.

Governments worldwide are using hate speech and misinformation as excuses to censor and control their political opponents. In Ireland, proposed hate speech laws could allow police to invade homes and seize electronics. In Canada, Trudeau's legislation could lead to life imprisonment for speech deemed offensive. The Biden administration is working with groups to censor content and individuals on social media. This focus on labeling content as extremist is dangerous, as it criminalizes speech and can lead to unjust suppression of protests. This trend towards censorship is totalitarian and reminiscent of the dystopian concept of precrime. The reasons behind these actions remain unclear. Translated: Governments globally are using hate speech and misinformation to justify censoring political opponents. Proposed laws in Ireland and Canada could lead to invasive measures and harsh penalties for speech. The Biden administration is collaborating with groups to censor content and individuals on social media. This trend is dangerous and can suppress protests unfairly. The motives behind these actions are uncertain.

In England, there is concern over government overreach with arrests for online speech deemed hateful. Comparing to Russia, England has arrested 4,000 people for thought crimes, while Russia has only 200 arrests. Retweeting offensive content can lead to arrest under laws against incitement to racial hatred. The subjective nature of what constitutes hate speech raises concerns about freedom of expression. The evolving definition of hate speech, such as deadnaming, shows a shift towards stricter enforcement and potential criminalization.

The transcript argues that hate speech laws are expanding globally and criticizes Australia’s proposed Combating Antisemitism, Hate, and Extremism Bill 2026 as exceptionally tyrannical. The speaker notes that after the Bondi terrorist attack, proposals to ban protests and ordinary Australians’ speech emerged, and claims that some groups will explicitly be unprotected, including Catholics and Christians. The report highlights how the bill defines public place so broadly as to include the Internet (posts, videos, tweets, memes, blogs) and states it is irrelevant whether hatred actually occurs or whether anyone felt fear. It asserts that speech is not a crime, yet the bill would criminalize speech that merely causes fear, with penalties of up to five years’ imprisonment. Key provisions highlighted include: - Prohibited speech can be punished even if no actual harm occurs. - A person is guilty of displaying a prohibited symbol unless they prove a religious, academic, or journalistic exemption; however, Christianity is not claimed to be protected. - The AFP minister can declare prohibited groups without procedural fairness, including relying on retroactive conduct, potentially punishing actions that occurred before the law existed. - The scope could extend to actions outside Australia, with penalties including up to seven years in prison for membership in a prohibited group and up to fifteen years for supporting, training, recruiting, or funding a banned group. - Although the bill claims religious protections, the joint committee hearing indicates that protections would be afforded to Jewish and Sikh Australians, but not to Catholics and, by extension, Christian Australians. A discussion between Speaker 1 and Speaker 2 suggests that while clearly protected categories may include Jews and Sikhs, being Catholic alone would not meet the protected criteria, though certain circumstances might bring some Catholics into protection if they form part of broader protected groups. The speakers argue that the legislation effectively excludes Christianity, the world’s largest religion and a religion emphasizing love, forgiveness, and praying for enemies. They reference prior parallels in Canada, where efforts to criminalize hate speech allegedly led to passages of the Bible being criminalized. They claim that, in practice, hate speech laws protect every other group while narrowing or excluding Christianity, and they suggest this pattern reflects a broader effort to suppress Christian voices in the West. The discussion touches on how the law could enable retroactive punishment, asking whether authorities might use AI to review old social media posts for politically unacceptable content from many years prior. It also references concerns about enforcement bias, suggesting that hate speech laws are enforced by those who tolerate violent zealots while suppressing peaceful religious expression. The speakers advocate for protecting freedom of religion and ensuring that protections apply to all beliefs, warning that if one religion is not protected, none are. They also cite remarks from US figures like Sarah B. Rogers suggesting that the issue is not simply to replicate European or UK approaches, but to maintain balanced protections while addressing concerns about restricting religious speech.

Power corrupts. “Power corrupts. We’ve seen that all across the world.” “Today’s misinformation is always tomorrow’s truth.” and “It’s always the government who wants to censor people who are critical of the government.” He contrasts US free speech with Europe’s clampdown, arguing that “When Elon bought Twitter, now it's a place where the first amendment and free speech are right where they need to be,” while Europe’s “Online Safety Act” and “EU’s Digital Services Act” aim to “shake down American tech companies,” a policy stance he says is “not how our First Amendment works.” He cites UK “12,183 arrests for offensive post online,” Heathrow detentions of a comedian, and Poland for “liking a video,” urging press transparency: “the answer to stupid speech, bad speech, and wrong speech is more speech,” and suggesting remedies: “highlight the facts out there, and you show how ridiculous it is,” plus trade talks and potential sanctions on Ofcom. He references the “disinformation governance board,” the “GARM” debate, and the spillover effect on American content.

Muslims in Britain and Western Europe have more rights, including freedom of worship, than in any Islamic country. However, problems arise when failures of Islamic societies, such as intolerance of freedom of conscience, apostates, expression, minorities, and women, are imported. The call for a parallel legal system is considered monstrous, as no other group demands such a thing. A fundamental problem exists between Western Europe, where laws are based on reason, and Islam, where laws are based on revelation. It is argued that Muslims in Europe have let down Europe. Muslims need to understand they have no right not to be offended and cannot justify violence or censorship because they dislike something. They cannot demand more hate laws to defend Islam. A society where even the deepest feelings can be challenged is the only one worth living in. Islam has failed Europe and its own Muslims.

Should the Judiciary Committee be concerned if European law results in the censorship of Americans? Absolutely, especially after recent events. I shared information this morning on X about a judicial ruling in Europe asserting their right to censor. We're seeing similar trends in Australia, where authorities believe they should censor the entire global Internet of disfavored information. This is very disturbing and really makes you question our alliance with Europe.

Looking at Europe today, I'm concerned about the erosion of freedoms. In Brussels, there's talk of shutting down social media during civil unrest to combat hateful content. In another country, police have raided homes over anti-feminist comments. Sweden convicted a Christian activist for Quran burnings after his friend's murder, with a judge stating free expression doesn't allow offending any group's beliefs. Most concerning is the UK, where conscience rights are threatened. Adam Smith Connor was charged for silently praying near an abortion clinic. He was found guilty under a new law criminalizing silent prayer within 200 meters of such facilities. Recently, the Scottish government warned citizens that even private prayer at home could be illegal, urging them to report suspected thought crimes. Free speech is in retreat across Europe.

Foreign governments are using acts like the Digital Services Act to censor information globally, pressuring companies to take down content and threatening fines if they don't comply. We've requested communications between the EU, UK, and Brazil with these companies to see what pressure has been applied. We're sending letters to the UK, EU, and Brazilian Supreme Court, putting them on notice that we're monitoring their actions. It's one thing to censor their own citizens, but impacting the First Amendment rights of Americans is a problem, especially when companies are pressured with fines. We saw this when the Biden administration pressured companies to censor, which they later regretted. Free speech is essential, and we must protect it for Americans, especially against foreign interference.

Innovation and creativity cannot be forced, much like thoughts and beliefs. Looking at Europe, it's concerning to see actions like EU commissars threatening to shut down social media for "hateful content," police raids for "anti-feminist" comments, and the conviction of a Christian activist for Quran burnings. Even more alarming is the UK, where a man was charged for silently praying near an abortion clinic, and Scotland warned citizens that private prayer within their homes could be illegal. Free speech is retreating across Europe. Ironically, the loudest voices for censorship sometimes come from my own country. The prior administration bullied social media companies to censor "misinformation," like the lab leak theory of the coronavirus. In Washington, under Donald Trump's leadership, we will defend your right to speak freely, even if we disagree with your views.

Every country faces challenges to the rule of law. The choices we make matter for our own country and our neighbors. Thriving countries have transparent institutions where citizens' voices are heard and the court system is fair. Corruption is like a cancer that erodes faith in democracy, weakens a nation, and acts as a form of tyranny. When politicians can be bought, courts manipulated, and media used for propaganda, society becomes susceptible to manipulation and loses control of its own destiny.

Looking at Europe today, it's concerning to see what's happened to some Cold War winners. In Brussels, EU commissars threaten to shut down social media for "hateful content." In this country, police raid citizens for anti-feminist comments online. Sweden convicted a Christian activist for Koran burnings after his friend's murder, with a judge stating free expression doesn't allow offending certain groups. Most concerning is the UK, where conscience rights are declining, endangering religious Britons' liberties. Adam Smith Conner, an army veteran, was charged for silently praying near an abortion clinic and was found guilty of breaking the government's buffer zones law, which criminalizes silent prayer near abortion facilities. In Scotland, letters were sent warning citizens that even private prayer at home could break the law. Free speech is in retreat across Europe.

The UK plans to imprison citizens for up to 15 years for viewing what the government labels as far-right propaganda online. This raises significant questions about the control over online algorithms and the consequences of inadvertently encountering such content. Who defines what constitutes far-right propaganda? Given current standards, even posts by figures like JK Rowling could be classified this way. Concerns also arise about the enforcement of these laws, reminiscent of existing social media regulations on hate speech and misinformation. The situation seems to be escalating rapidly, prompting a call for awareness and support from those observing these developments.

Global media reporting is often synchronized. Biased and false news has become all too common on social media. More alarming, some media outlets publish these same fake stories without checking

Two years ago, we were labeled as bought-off journalists for questioning digital censorship. I was shocked to see my party seemingly endorse censorship. John Kerry even lamented that the First Amendment hinders the government's ability to control information and build consensus, essentially complaining that people choose their own news sources. Building consensus isn't the media's job; it's our job to make governing hard, and many of our allies have already embraced draconian speech laws. The EU's Digital Services Act is the most comprehensive censorship law in a Western democracy. USAID is funding organizations that promote unified messaging and discourage diverse opinions, spending millions of dollars to transform the free press into a consensus machine. You've taken taxpayer money to tell people they're wrong about what they can see, you sold us out.

Censorship has always been done by those who aren't the good guys. They've been silencing arguments for a long time, claiming it's for the greater good. They use virtue as a weapon, always in the pursuit of tyranny. Anyone trying to silence one side of an argument, be it about COVID-19, immigration, or anything else, is evil and seeks to control people's minds.