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Katie, who studied at Stanford Law School with Sam's parents, shares an interesting story. Despite never meeting in person until recently, they had a connection through their shared mentors. Sam, possibly the first person in the crypto industry that Katie ever met, was known to her since childhood.

I met Dave at a party, but he introduced himself as Darla. Reluctantly, I stayed and Darla took me backstage. We had a great time at a party and took many photos. Darla opened up about her journey, and I realized she was still the same person. I had changed, not her. I thanked Darla for bringing me back.

Mae describes her mom as mean, saying “There is nothing wrong with her. She is mean” and that her mom “yells at people for no reason.” When asked what else her mom does, Mae confirms, “Yeah. I’m pretty sure she does that.” The group discusses how Mae’s mom’s yelling affected others; Speaker 1 recalls living with Mae’s mom and feeling hurt and worried for Nate, noting they tried to deescalate and make Mae’s mom happy so she wouldn’t be mean, while not disagreeing with Mae’s point about the behavior being mean. Mae challenges the idea that her mom is just problematic, suggesting the others are influenced by their feelings, saying, “That’s because she manipulated you because you like her.” Speaker 1 emphasizes their own experience, acknowledging manipulation and lies that led to jail for Nate, but also expressing concern about Nate’s wellbeing and sharing the belief that Mae’s mom’s behavior is harmful. The conversation reveals Mae’s focus on her mother’s hurtful actions and her caution about potential consequences for those around them. During a birthday moment, Nate’s perspective stands out. Speaker 2 explains that Mae wanted to celebrate Nate’s eleventh birthday but Mae says she did not like that day because she was being selfish and not kind, though Speaker 2 counters that Nate’s birthday was celebrated and that Mae’s care for Candice was central to the event. Speaker 1 compliments Nate as “the kindest kid on Earth” and acknowledges the sentiment as sweet. Mae describes her aim to “take care of Candice on my birthday without any thought that it’s my birthday at all. Just take care of Candice.” Speaker 2 remarks that Mae’s generosity was very sweet, and Speaker 1 praises Nate’s goodness. A brief check-in about breakfast follows, with Candice and Nate involved; Mae notes there were two bags, both the same, and expresses concern that Candice cannot eat much because “Mom just throws it away,” urging Nate to eat. Despite the tensions, the group calls for finishing the meal, with caregivers emphasizing that they must leave. The conversation ends with a farewell and a reminder that “love wins” as they provide a hug and prepare to go. In a separate reminiscence, Mitch says he met on 12/31/2022 as a nutritional director in Oregon, not Washington, and recounts the ex-wife narrative of Lynne allegedly abusing their son and the son’s eating disorder, highlighting that Mitch played into that narrative. Mitch notes he had worked for a school district and, while he later reflects, “I don’t believe that there was any abuse from Lynne.”

Nothing is by mistake. Nothing. I will never forget the time I was in Israel with my mother on a pilgrimage. I stood in the ticket line and saw a guy who looked very familiar in the snake of the ticket line. I told my mom, this guy looks so familiar. And as a typical mother, she said, go and say hi. No. We were late for our flight and I'm not going to come off like a crazy person with a that's just weird. That ended up being Charlie. Nothing is by coincidence. Now did I did we know that that no. Not until we were like three months into our relationship and looking at time stamps seeing that both of us were in Israel at the same time. But nothing is by coincidence.

Nothing is by mistake. Nothing. I was in Israel with my husband on a pilgrimage, standing in the ticket line, when I saw a guy who looked very familiar. I told my mom, this guy looks so familiar. And as a typical mother, she said, go and say hi. No. We were late for our flight and I'm not going to come off like a crazy person with a that's just weird. That ended up being Charlie. Nothing is by coincidence. Now did I did we know that that no. Not until we were like three months into our relationship and looking at time stamps seeing that both of us were in Israel at the same time. But nothing is by coincidence.

The speaker shares that the first images that had a strong impact on them were of trans women in pornography. These performers inspired them because they became desirable and it made the speaker believe that if they could be desirable, they could also be loved. The speaker believes that this struggle for love is something that trans people often face. The interviewer acknowledges the speaker's answer as excellent.

John and the speaker, who are brothers and co-founders, attended startup school in October 2009. They had previously sold apps in the App Store easily. They contrasted this ease with the difficulty of conducting transactions or commerce on the broader internet. Walking home from dinner, John suggested building a prototype, downplaying the difficulty of starting a billion-dollar company. Almost a decade later, they reflect on this journey. They were initially unsure how seriously.

Interviewer: This decision to follow your conscience, give us a little backstory. How did that happen? Guest: Without getting too much into detail, I did a long-form podcast with Tucker, laying out the entire politics of the issue. After serving twenty years, mostly deployed to the Middle East, fighting the wars over there, and seeing how our country had been lied to and brought down the wrong path in those wars, and that we were getting sucked into another one and that the American people didn't have the full story and our country did not have a vital national interest in this current fight. I said, hey, in good conscience, I can't do this because that was a promise I made to myself probably twenty plus years ago when I was deployed to Iraq. Once I realized after my first couple deployments that we weren't there for the reasons that our government told us we were there for, I said if it's ever my turn, if I'm ever an adult in this situation, I ever have a position of responsibility, I will not, in good conscience, send young men and women off to die on foreign battlefields. Interviewer: So we're Catholics here, baptized Catholic. We saw just on Sunday... Does it help you to have other members of your faith community or religious leaders speaking up on your behalf? Guest: It's been huge. I didn't think when I submitted my resignation it would get the traction or attention that you talked about. Having support from friends, family, but really, I’ve been asked a couple times, was it a hard decision to make? It wasn't made lightly. I put a lot of thought into it, and I had been thinking about it for quite some time. But having faith, I think I heard God's voice, that I was exactly where I was supposed to be and it was my time to take action, which made taking the action incredibly easy and liberating, making me feel like I was in the right spot. Interviewer: Do you have hope for America? And if you do, why so? Guest: I have a great deal of hope for America. This is a very exciting moment. The fact that we're seeing people who speak out on behalf of their faith or who are willing to speak truth to power, and that the people who support them can have a voice because of technology, which can be used for a lot of bad, but in connecting like-minded people and getting our word out, that technology is a very powerful weapon. The young people—the young men and women—there are plenty in this room; I was overwhelmed by the young folks who came up to shake my hand. I have hope for the next generation. As we head into this midterm season and as the war progresses in the next few weeks, the most important thing is to be on our knees and pray, but once we're up from our knees, we need to take action. Our leaders will hear us if we all speak out. We're at a critical juncture in the war in Iran; we must let our leaders hear that we do not support this war, that there is no vital national security interest, that we want to bring our troops home and work toward peace in that region, and that we do not want twenty plus more years of bloodletting. Heading into this next election cycle, demand from everyone, from every political party, go to your representatives, and say I will not vote for you if you are going to vote for the continuation of these wars overseas. If our country is attacked, we will attack; if there's an imminent attack, we will attack; if there's an actual threat, we will attack and fight that. However, we cannot continue to go down this path. We have to make that clear to our leaders. That's what gives me hope.

They met at the Turning Point USA office opening in August 2018, where Erica learned they might hire her. A random DM from the Hamptons led to a NYC meeting; "Charlie Kirk DM'd you," and they planned to meet at Bill's Burgers. The encounter quickly shifted from hiring to dating: "I quickly pivoted away from wanting to hire her to wanting to date her." He told her, "I'm not gonna hire you. It's like, I okay," and gave her an ultimatum: "You have until tomorrow night when I take you out for dinner, and then you can give me your answer at dinner tomorrow night." The first date ended, I remember correctly, just telling her I need to see her again very soon. The couple dated, including a Hawaii trip, and she later described dating as fun and loyal. In November, during a Proclaim Streetwear shoot, "No idea that when I turned around that he was already on one knee." He proposed; "It was by far the most beautiful emotion filled moment that I had ever experienced."

Speaker 0 describes a life filled with noise, chaos, and longing for something steady. When the other person enters, they bring a calm that quiets the loud parts and accepts him as he is, without performance or pretense. This person doesn’t try to tame the storm inside him; instead, they sit with him, offer water, and wait for his show to pass, becoming “the calm in the chaos” he has needed. He acknowledges that many have noticed the other person’s presence, but he wants the version of them when no one is watching—tired, real, and genuine. He admires the way they move through a room with effortless grace, not because they try too hard but because they are simply themselves. Speaker 1 adds that they want to see the real person behind the surface—the details often overlooked, the small moments that reveal character. They express a desire to be the one who sees the real you, not the loud, attention-seeking version. They emphasize honesty over loudness, stating they’re not aiming to be flashy but true. Speaker 0 continues, noting they don’t require the other to entertain or impress; he’s convinced by the authenticity and by the undressing of layers and roles. He seeks quiet moments over highlight reels, wanting to feel the version of the other person when they’re human and real. He describes the attraction found in natural presence rather than forced performance. Speaker 1 echoes that sentiment, observing that others fall over themselves to be seen, while they see the woman the crowd rarely notices. They are not trying to be loud but to be true, and they want to know the details of the other person—their coffee, their shoes, their thoughts, the dreams they’ve been afraid to chase. They express a willingness to listen and learn, offering to carry some of the burdens and to be present without pressing for next steps. The conversation moves toward a deliberate, unhurried pace. They reject the chase for drama and emphasize choosing each other with clarity, intent, and patience. They prefer a healthy rhythm, space, and the idea that the best things grow slowly. They refuse to rush toward a conclusion or a rushed future, choosing instead to savor the moment and build a foundation “no rush, just enjoy the ride.” Throughout, both speakers reaffirm that the other person is the steady presence in their lives—the calm in the chaos, the healing and the home they had been seeking. They aim to be present, to learn every detail, and to nurture a connection that lasts beyond the moment. Excavation Pro. Pro. Pro.