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The speaker discusses the lack of communication between Putin and Biden, highlighting the importance of maintaining open lines of communication between countries. They emphasize the need for strong leadership in the White House to address this issue and suggest bringing in someone like Donald J. Trump to improve the situation.

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Speaker 0 accuses Speaker 1 of being a corrupt politician. Speaker 1 responds by mentioning that 50 former national intelligence officials and the heads of the CIA have dismissed the accusations as false. Speaker 0 dismisses this as another Russia hoax. Speaker 1 tries to steer the conversation back to the issue of race.

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The discussion centers on whether high-ranking Democrats abused their intelligence positions to convince Americans that Russia stole the 2016 election. One participant alleges a conspiracy led by Obama, claiming Democrats couldn't believe Trump won and wanted to delegitimize his presidency. Counterarguments emphasize that a bipartisan committee, including Marco Rubio, concluded Russia interfered, but didn't change votes. The conversation explores whether the issue is the intelligence community's conclusions or public belief. One participant defends Obama's actions, citing his transition with Trump. Another claims Obama was the architect of the Russian collusion narrative, feeding fake intelligence to the media. A counterpoint is made that Trump acted differently when Biden won. One person suggests the conversation is a distraction tactic employed by Donald Trump.

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TikTok has access to American data, allowing for population manipulation, as seen in China. There is concern about US intelligence agencies doing the same, but the speaker believes they are not. The mention of the Hunter Biden laptop as Russian disinformation before the 2020 election is dismissed as retired officials' claims. The FBI's involvement with the laptop is compared to TikTok's access to data.

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Speakers discuss the severity and novelty of threats to the United States’ political system, focusing on Russian interference and the digital domain. - All acknowledge that the country faced a cataclysmic disruption to its political system that is unlike prior experiences. Speaker 2 notes, as a Vietnam veteran, that fundamental institutions were jeopardized then but proved resilient, and expresses hope for a similar outcome now. - Speaker 1 emphasizes two points: (1) Vladimir Putin’s determination to shape political landscapes inside Russia and abroad, and (2) the consequential role of the digital domain, which allowed Russian intelligence to exploit and manipulate more effectively, culminating in the twenty sixteen election. - They note that Russian interference historically involved exploiting elections, but never with such aggression, directness, or multidimensional methods. The Internet and modern technology serve as a huge enabler for influencing opinion and undermining fundamental systems. - There is a discussion of whether this manipulation was unforeseen. Speaker 2 indicates it goes back to the Soviet era with attempts to influence elections, but the magnitude in twenty sixteen was unprecedented. The digital environment provides malefactors with more opportunities to attack and influence. - The panel explains active measures as fabricating or propagating stories (even patently false ones) to advance a narrative, color perceptions, and lend legitimacy to political actors. They note that the Russians focused on specific voter blocks in states like Wisconsin and Michigan, with estimates that 70,000–80,000 votes could have swung the election. - They discuss methods beyond information operations, including collecting information (e.g., DNC and DCCC email breaches) and money-related tactics: money laundering, disguising funding sources for political actions, and potential extortion or blackmail. They stress that collusion is a tool in the Russians’ kit and that they recruit or exploit individuals where openings exist. - Following the money is highlighted as essential across national security domains; FBI financial investigators and intelligence analysts play key roles, and there is confidence that Mueller and others will trace financial pathways to uncover motivations. - The distinction between cyber warfare and conventional warfare is acknowledged: there are no tanks or planes, but the cyber realm constitutes a war for democracy. A robust response is needed to strengthen the cyber environment, including proposals for a congressional independent commission to assess and strategize future protections, involving engineers, technologists, scientists, and private sector input. - They reflect on why the nation did not respond with the immediacy seen after physical attacks (e.g., 9/11). The lack of a physical rubble-like trigger makes cyber threats harder to mobilize a national response. Leadership issues are cited: when the White House diminishes the CIA, FBI, NSA, or intelligence and law enforcement, it undermines efforts to address the threat. - They recount briefings to the president-elect in January, noting high confidence levels in assessments that did not rely on the dossier; the bigger concern is a perceived indifference to the Russian threat and the denigration of security institutions. - They stress the importance of institutional integrity: the press, law enforcement, and intelligence are pillars of democracy, and denigration of these institutions undermines U.S. credibility abroad. They advocate for stronger checks and balances and reiterate their commitment to truthful reporting and protecting the country. - The speakers, experienced and apolitical, emphasize loyalty to the Constitution and the need for decisive leadership and sustained commitment to democratic institutions, despite political challenges. They conclude with a solemn commitment to safeguard the country and its democratic framework.

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The speakers discuss the objective of mitigating harmful misinformation that aims to weaken national security and delegitimize institutions, including democratic elections. Speaker 1 expresses concern about the potential censorship of speech that criticizes institutions, such as calling for a different president or questioning the actions of the Pentagon. Speaker 0 clarifies that the focus is on matters of national security that explicitly undermine American institutions, like content intended to suppress voting or delegitimize election results without evidence. Speaker 1 argues that this narrow focus still encompasses a wide range of speech. The creation of a center of excellence and a disinformation governance board is mentioned as potential measures.

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Voters, not Vladimir Putin, should decide who the American president is. The Russians offered, the campaign accepted, and the president used Russian help. The dossier alleges collusion and assistance. Vladimir Putin doesn't want one of the speakers to be president. Russia, China, and Iran have been involved in the election. Seventeen intelligence agencies have confirmed this. Fifty security officials who served in Republican administrations have said that Donald is unfit to be the commander in chief. The smear on Joe Biden comes from the Kremlin. The president is unwilling to confront Putin, even when Russia puts bounties on the heads of American soldiers in Afghanistan. There are several factors that contributed to the low to moderate confidence in the judgment.

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Vladimir Putin's interference in our past election is a topic we don't discuss often. However, it is important to acknowledge that he has meddled in various ways, such as funding political parties, candidates, and bribing government officials in different countries. This is his modus operandi, as he despises democracy, particularly in the West, and holds a strong animosity towards us. Looking ahead to 2024, it is crucial to address this issue and have more conversations about it.

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The speaker discusses whether the Russian campaign successfully divided the United States or if the divisions already existed and were exploited. They explain that Putin takes advantage of existing weaknesses and divisive narratives. They emphasize that the campaign to undermine democracy did not start or end with the 2016 election and that it extends beyond elections. The speaker believes that Putin's main objective is to weaken the US, but they also think that his primary audience is his own population. They mention the importance of the justice system and how Putin has been undermining public trust in it. The speaker has been raising awareness among judges about this campaign and has been working to defend against disinformation and cybersecurity threats.

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Speaker 0 asks if Americans should take a vaccine if it is released before or after the election. Speaker 1 says they would take it if public health professionals recommend it, but not if Donald Trump does. Speaker 0 then asks Vice President Pence about safeguards for presidential disability. Pence defends the Trump administration's handling of the pandemic and criticizes the swine flu response during Biden's vice presidency. He accuses the senator of undermining confidence in a vaccine. Speaker 0 interrupts and ends the conversation.

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The speaker accuses Russia of engaging in disinformation campaigns and planning false flag operations in Eastern Ukraine. When asked for evidence, the speaker refers to declassified intelligence information but does not provide specifics. The speaker emphasizes the need to deter Russia from carrying out these actions and states that making the information public serves this purpose. The other person questions the lack of concrete evidence and expresses skepticism. The speaker defends the credibility of the US government and stresses the importance of protecting sensitive sources and methods in declassifying information.

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Speaker 0 argues that sowing seeds of doubt about the legitimacy of our elections undermines democracy, calls it dangerous, and says it is work that benefits adversaries because democracy depends on people knowing that their vote matters and that those who occupy power were chosen by the people. Speaker 1 states that every intelligence agency in the federal government arrived at a consensus that the Russians hacked the DNC, and that the information released was the consequence of a decision by Russian intelligence and Russian officials at the highest levels; the CIA assesses that it was done purposefully to tilt the election toward a particular candidate, which is not a surprise, and this was helping the Trump campaign and hurting the Hillary campaign.

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Speaker 0 is being accused of spreading a Russian plan, but this claim is dismissed by both parties and former heads of the CIA. The accusation is considered garbage and not believed by anyone, including Speaker 0's friend Bernie.

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News alert discusses Tulsi Gabbard releasing a report alleging a conspiracy by a sitting president, Barack Obama, and U.S. intel agencies to undermine Donald Trump’s presidency and the 2016 election. The report claims there is irrefutable evidence that Obama and his national security team directed the creation of an intelligence community assessment they knew was false, promoting a narrative that Russia interfered in 2016 to help Trump win. Gabbard says she obtained a House Intelligence Committee report that had been locked away in a CIA vault for nearly a decade, and investigators spent over two thousand hours interviewing 20 CIA and FBI officials. The assertion is that the Obama administration doctored intelligence to imply Putin and Trump colluded to steal the election, with a highly unusual, rush-developed assessment produced a month after Trump’s victory. John Brennan allegedly handpicked five CIA analysts to write the assessment, who were siloed and not aware of each other’s work, with only one analyst in charge of drafting. The process was described as a rush job with no coordination with other intelligence agencies, essentially “home cooking” for Obama. The four key elements repeated in the assessment, forming the basis of the Russia hoax and the Mueller investigation, are: 1) that Vladimir Putin wanted Trump to win; 2) Putin took actions to help Trump win; 3) the Russians had blackmail on Trump (the Steele dossier); and 4) that the Russians tried colluding with the Trump campaign. The claim is that none of these were true, and there was no reliable intelligence to support them. Senior CIA officials allegedly refused to propagate these allegations, but were overruled by CIA Director Brennan and FBI Director Comey, who pressed for them despite lacking verifiable evidence. The report alleges the Obama administration cherry-picked intelligence, misquoted sources, did not corroborate claims, suppressed counter-evidence, and even used anonymous internet postings. Rank-and-file CIA personnel allegedly admitted that these actions violated tradecraft standards, with a pressure campaign emanating from political appointees, the CIA director, and Obama himself. Speaker 1 asserts that Donald Trump knows Russia helped him win in 2016. Speaker 2 suggests Putin’s preference for Trump came from his dislike of Hillary Clinton, who was running, while Speaker 3 states Russia sought to interfere systematically to advance Trump’s prospects. The conversation notes that at one point, 60% of Democrats believed Russia hacked voting machines to aid Trump, yet the report contends Russians aimed to create chaos and undermine faith in democracy, with solid intelligence indicating Putin had no clear preference between Clinton and Trump but had dirt on Clinton that was not released. The discussion questions why the dirt from the DNC emails and claims about Clinton’s health, including tranquilizers, were not leaked to aid Trump, and whether the information about Clinton’s health is credible. The panel suggests that if Russia sought to influence the election, more damning information would have been released. The speakers claim Obama and top intelligence leaders mischaracterized intelligence and relied on dubious sources to craft a narrative of Putin’s preference for Trump. They contend Obama continued pushing the hoax after the election, describing it as undermining democracy. Towards the end, there is mention of potential criminal implications, with references to referrals to the Department of Justice and FBI for investigation, including possible liability for Obama. A tester voices that Brennan may have committed perjury before Congress. A final note asserts that the CIA did not rely on the Steele dossier for the intelligence community assessment, countering a claim made in the discussion. The segment closes with a call for accountability.

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Voters in America should decide the president, not Vladimir Putin. The Russians offered, the campaign accepted, and the president used their help. The allegation is that they colluded. Putin doesn't want me to be president. Russia, China, and Iran have been involved in this election. 17 intelligence agencies confirmed it. Fifty former national security officials said Trump is unfit to be commander in chief. The smear on Joe Biden comes from the Kremlin. Trump is unwilling to confront Putin, who put bounties on American soldiers in Afghanistan. The confidence in this judgment is low to moderate due to various factors.

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The speaker discusses a recently released indictment and its implications with Director Clapper. Clapper states the indictment validates the intelligence community's assessment from January 2017, which outlined Russian objectives: sowing discord, undermining faith in the American political system, hurting Hillary Clinton, and helping Donald Trump. The speaker notes the President has known about this for a year but continues to call it a hoax. Clapper expresses concern over the lack of response to the Russian threat, stating the President is singular and different in this regard, which poses a peril to the country. He says the administration hasn't punished Russia or developed a government-wide defense strategy. The speaker suggests the President views any discussion about Russia as an attack on his legitimacy, a weakness foreign leaders can exploit. Clapper confirms this arose during the January 6th briefing, leading to attacks on the intelligence community. He notes the President's recent tweet focused on himself rather than the threat to the country and believes more indictments may follow.

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The speaker believes the Russian hack of the DNC contributed to an atmosphere focused on Hillary Clinton's emails and the Clinton Foundation, overshadowing policy debates and impacting the election. The speaker states that the CIA assessment that the hack was intended to improve Trump's chances shouldn't be surprising, as it was widely understood that the hack was helping the Trump campaign and hurting the Clinton campaign. While the president-elect has expressed admiration for Putin and a desire for cooperation, the speaker emphasizes that the consensus among intelligence agencies was that the Russian government was behind the DNC hack. The speaker notes that various agencies are still assessing the motivations behind the hack. The speaker highlights that the current information is based on CIA leaks, not an official document, and that agencies are still comparing notes. The speaker requested a report be issued before the 20th, so that unclassified aspects can be presented to the public and Congress.

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Speaker 0: We have a problem with the CIA and FBI in Washington. Speaker 1: What's your plan to start over and fix them? Speaker 0: They've gotten out of control, with weaponization and other issues. The people need to bring about change. We were making progress, but more needs to be done.

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The speaker accuses Russia of engaging in disinformation campaigns and prepositioning operatives for false flag operations in Ukraine. When pressed for evidence, the speaker mentions declassified intelligence but does not provide specifics. The speaker emphasizes deterrence and protecting sensitive sources and methods. The interviewer questions the lack of concrete evidence and expresses skepticism. The speaker defends the credibility of the US government and stresses the need for trust in the information provided. Translation: The speaker accuses Russia of engaging in disinformation campaigns and prepositioning operatives for false flag operations in Ukraine. When asked for evidence, the speaker mentions declassified intelligence but does not provide specifics. The speaker emphasizes deterrence and protecting sensitive sources and methods. The interviewer questions the lack of concrete evidence and expresses skepticism. The speaker defends the credibility of the US government and stresses the need for trust in the information provided.

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The speaker discusses the hacking of the DNC and mentions someone named Seth who allegedly provided information. However, the speaker does not reveal their sources. They believe that the files were not hacked by Russia but rather leaked from within the building. The speaker mentions Bill Binney, a former NSA officer, who supposedly demonstrated this. They also mention that lies about the hacking led to tensions with Russia. The speaker admits to initially dismissing the conspiracy theories surrounding the issue but later realized the truth. They express frustration with the lack of transparency and understanding surrounding certain actions and question the motives behind them.

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Putin was unhappy with Speaker 1 for raising concerns about the unfairness of Russia's 2011 parliamentary elections. Putin is paranoid about mass movements near Russia that could lead to democracy, closer ties with the EU, or NATO membership. The speaker believes Russia is still interfering with U.S. democracy by influencing opinions and election systems. She believes she was an obstacle to Russia's plans to undermine U.S. democracy and impose authoritarian control, and that Russia wanted to remove her to achieve other goals. Russia is still stirring up trouble and influencing people on social media, including efforts to undermine the Affordable Care Act to cause political disruption. Electing a president was only part of Russia's plan. Putin aims to undermine democracies using money, blackmail, and inducements to bend political and business leaders to his will. The speaker doesn't know if Trump is a witting or unwitting tool of Putin, but believes Putin is playing a long game to undermine democracies.

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The speaker is asked about a letter they signed regarding the Hunter Biden situation. They express concern about Russian interference and misinformation, stating that intelligence agencies have found evidence of Russia pushing disinformation. They believe that disinformation is involved in this case and emphasize the importance of not trusting the Russians. When asked if they have any regrets, they state that they do not regret not trusting the Russians.

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The speaker discusses the issue of vaccine disinformation and the need for platforms like Facebook to be more transparent about their algorithms and engagement. They emphasize the importance of holding these platforms accountable and demanding better. The conversation also touches on the spread of misinformation by Donald Trump and the similarities between misinformation about elections and blocking access to vaccines. The speaker suggests that self-policing across various groups, such as lawyers and state medical boards, is necessary. They mention the damage caused by false claims and express hope for investigations into profiteering off the pandemic.

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TikTok has access to American data, allowing for potential manipulation by the Chinese. The speaker doubts US intelligence agencies are doing the same. A mention of the Hunter Biden laptop controversy is dismissed as retired officials' opinions. The conversation shifts away from TikTok.

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Speaker 0: By a member of the Ukrainian parliament. Let's talk about the tape recording evidence. Speaker 1: We don't know. Yeah. We don't know much about it because it's floating around Ukraine, but we do know the general prosecutor of Ukraine, our equivalent of the attorney general, came on our show this morning and said the following. There's enough evidence for me to open up a criminal investigation into the illicit effort by a Ukrainian to try to influence the United States election in favor of Hillary Clinton. That's a profound statement coming from the top law enforcement official of Ukraine. Why is it important? There's a court in Ukraine that's already concluded that, Ukrainian officials leaked Paul Manafort's financial records to try to sway the US election. You haven't heard anything about that in the American press, but that ruling occurred recently. Then a parliamentary member comes out and says, I have a tape of these law enforcement officials saying they did it specifically to help Hillary Clinton. That becomes the foundation of the Ukrainian investigation. Speaker 0: You have talked to people that have heard this tape. Correct? Speaker 1: Well, the, the prosecutor himself has heard the tape and said it was important enough, good enough evidence to warrant opening the investigation. So the tape, the court ruling, the top prosecutor in Ukraine says there was a foreign power Speaker 0: Two separate issues here. Number one Speaker 1: Yes. Speaker 0: Did Ukrainian officials offered us evidence that, in fact, they were involved in election interference in 2016 to help Hillary Clinton's campaign? But why didn't anybody in in the media pursue the interference story? And I thought they cared about interference, but, obviously, only if it's Russian interference and Trump because we know they don't care about the dirty Russian dossier. Speaker 1: That's right. Keep in mind that just a few months ago, Sean, we reported on your on your show and inside the hill that Ukraine's embassy in Washington confirmed on the record that back in 2016, the Democratic National Committee trying to help Hillary Clinton get elected asked the Ukraine Embassy to help interfere in the election by doing two things, dig up dirt on Paul Manafort and have Ukraine's president make a kerfuffle here in Washington about Manafort and Trump when he came to visit. Now the Ukrainians say they they rebuffed that attempt, but Hillary Clinton's campaign, the DNC, made that request according to the, Ukraine embassy in
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