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Social media platforms must apply the same rules consistently. There needs to be accountability for these sites, as they communicate directly with millions without sufficient oversight or regulation. This lack of responsibility must change.

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Doxing, which includes revealing someone's pseudonym, will result in temporary suspensions. Permanent suspensions are rare. It doesn't matter who you are, doxing is not acceptable. Revealing identities can have serious consequences, inhibiting public dialogue. Professors have been suspended for simply liking a post on social media. This shows the need for anonymous posting to allow people to freely express themselves, especially if it means risking their jobs.

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Wikipedians writing articles aren't focused on finding the truth, but on the best of what we can know right now. After seven years, the speaker believes this approach is valuable. For tricky disagreements, seeking the truth and convincing others of it might not be the best starting point. Our reverence for the truth may have become a distraction preventing consensus and progress.

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Social media sites must be held responsible and understand their power. They speak directly to millions of people without oversight or regulation, and this has to stop. The same rule has to apply across platforms; there can't be one rule for Facebook and another for Twitter.

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"There is a reliable sources group essentially that debates it." "There are PR firms, just for example, that do nothing but edit articles on Wikipedia in order to be able to insert desired factoids according to how people pay them, essentially." "It's called paid editing." "There are 833 administrators as they're called." "16 bureaucrats who can name the cops." "Only nine, fourteen point five percent are named." "85% of the most powerful accounts on Wikipedia on the editorial side are anonymous." "They can libel people with impunity as they do you." "There is no legal recourse because they are anonymous." "The Wikimedia Foundation enjoys section two thirty immunity, which means it can't be sued in The United States."

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Larry Sanger explains Wikipedia’s origin with Jimmy Wales, stating "I coined the name Wikipedia" and that he drafted policies like "the neutrality policy" to "summarize knowledge fairly and without bias." He notes the project later aligned with center-left media, and the "neutral point of view" now "discourages giving equal validity to, minority view, fringe theory, or extraordinary claims." Conservatives were pushed out; "85% of the most powerful accounts on Wikipedia are anonymous" and "the Wikimedia Foundation enjoys section two thirty immunity." The "perennial sources page" blacklist blocks Breitbart, Daily Caller, Epic Times, Fox News, New York Post, The Federalist. Sanger’s nine theses: 1 end decision making by consensus; 2 enable competing articles; 3 abolish source blacklists; 4 revive the original neutrality policy; 5 repeal ignore all rules; 6 reveal who Wikipedia's leaders are; 7 let the public rate articles; 8 end indefinite blocking; 9 adopt a legislative process.

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Section 230 protects Wikipedia from lawsuits. Lawyers have stated that a suit against Wikipedia, even in a case of a damaging entry, would be instantly dismissed because of this section. While this is currently true, it is not the case in the third, fourth, and fifth circuits. Judges reflexively dismiss such cases based on established case law, turning Section 230 into immunity from suit, which it is not. According to Speaker 1, the ninth circuit won't allow a case to proceed to fix this. Speaker 1 believes Supreme Court intervention is needed. A judge stated that until the Supreme Court weighs in, lower courts cannot fix the issue in California, circumventing due process and First Amendment rights.

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Facebook and other platforms should measure and share the impact of misinformation, along with the audience it reaches. They should work with the public to create strong enforcement strategies that apply across all their properties. Transparency about rules is important, so people shouldn't be banned from one platform while allowed on others for spreading misinformation.

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Social media platforms should be held responsible for their power, as they directly address millions without oversight. The same rules must apply across platforms like Facebook and Twitter. There needs to be a responsibility placed on these sites to understand their reach and influence. The current lack of regulation on these platforms must end.

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Social media sites should be held responsible for their power, as they directly address millions without oversight or regulation, and this must end. There can't be one rule for Facebook and another for Twitter; the same rule must apply to both.

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Section 230, which granted internet platforms immunity as passive conduits, should be repealed. This perspective is based on the idea that platforms like Facebook, X, Instagram, and TikTok are not simply pass-throughs. Without moderation and monitoring, there is a loss of control, leading to social, psychological, and real-world harm.

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Wikipedia, the web-based encyclopedia, was founded on the idea of crowd-sourced, user-generated content. However, concerns have been raised about political bias in its editing process. While Wikipedia claims to be open to anyone editing, there is evidence of left-leaning bias among its administrators. Reliable sources on the left are deemed acceptable, while conservative outlets are often rejected. Examples of bias include downplaying violence by the Antifa movement and minimizing the atrocities of socialism and communism. Attempts to correct these biases are quickly reverted. Despite its popularity, many are skeptical of the political neutrality of Wikipedia and have stopped donating to the platform.

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Section 230, which granted internet platforms immunity as passive conduits, should be repealed. This perspective is based on the idea that platforms like Facebook, X, Instagram, and TikTok are not simply pass-throughs. Without moderation and monitoring, there is a loss of control, leading to social, psychological, and real-world harm.

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Wikipedia's model works well in contentious areas like politics and religion because contributors focus on the best of what we can know right now, not necessarily on "the truth." After working with Wikipedia contributors, the speaker believes that seeking the truth and convincing others of it might not be the right approach for tricky disagreements. Reverence for the truth may distract from finding common ground. The speaker is not saying the truth doesn't exist or isn't important, but that different people have different truths. Truth is often what happens when we merge facts about the world with our beliefs about the world. These differing truths are based on factors like background, upbringing, and how others perceive us.

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No one person should be trusted here. I don't have super voting shares and I don't want them. The board can fire me, which I think is important. Over time, the board should be democratized to include all of humanity. There are various ways to implement this.

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Free and open principles, originating from the open-source community, were initially seen as foundational. However, it's argued that this approach is limited in achieving broader goals. Despite good intentions, free and open models, particularly in Wikipedia, often replicate existing offline power structures. Wikipedia, it's claimed, reconstructed knowledge around the Western canon, leading to the exclusion of languages and communities. The emphasis on reliable sources and written tradition favors cultures with such traditions. Notability standards are said to reflect a Westernized construct, influencing whose voices are elevated. Therefore, radical openness allegedly failed to fulfill its intended potential.

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Goal of the day is to teach people how to edit in Wikipedia, which is the number one source of information today in the world. As a way of example, if someone searches the Gaza Flotilla, we wanna be there. We wanna be the the guys who influence what is written there, how it's written, and to ensure that it's balanced and Zionist in their nature. Three days after the US Congress action, the House Oversight Committee demanded Wikipedia turn over identifying info for users who may be spreading anti Israel content based on a report from our ADL. Screenshots show: "we seek your assistance in obtaining documents and communications regarding individuals or specific accounts serving as Wikipedia volunteer editors who violated Wikipedia platform policies as well as your own efforts to thwart intentional organized efforts to inject bias into important and sensitive topics." Also: "one recent report raised troubling questions about potentially systematic efforts to advance anti Semitic and anti Israel information in Wikipedia articles related to conflicts with the state of Israel." Records show identifying characteristics of accounts, IP addresses, registration dates, user activity logs for editors subject to ARBCOMM, analysis by Wikimedia Foundation, patterns of manipulation or bias related to antisemitism and conflicts with the state of Israel. Jen and Munis: "Many of the people on that committee claimed to be anti censorship during Biden's tenure. The brazen hypocrisy is almost unbearable." Squirrel: "the Israeli regime regime's propaganda complex has dedicated courses and entire teams focused on editing Wikipedia so that it reflects their genocidal worldview." A Nico Haus video argues this is "the exact same thing that Israel themselves have been doing for literal years." Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of the ADL, says that Wikipedia just isn't scientist enough for the ADL's life; "18 times more likely a small group of people to communicate in their group communications," tandem editing, and "30 or so people are able to manipulate articles on antisemitism, on Israel, on The Middle East." Naftali Bennett: "Wet'suftiyeh, in conjunction with my Israel, has arranged instruction day for wiki editors. The goal of the day is to teach people how to edit in Wikipedia, which is the number one source of information today in the world. As a way of example, if someone searches the Gaza Flotilla, we wanna be there. We wanna be the the guys who influence what is written there, how it's written, and to ensure that it's balanced and, Zionist in their nature." They claim Wikipedia protects Zionists and still omits key facts, such as regarding October 7 or the West Bank, and conclude with a pointed remark about genocide.

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"Goal of the day is to teach people how to edit in Wikipedia, which is the number one source of information today in the world." "The house oversight committee demanded Wikipedia turnover identifying info for users who may be spreading anti Israel content based on a report from who else? Our friends at the ADL." "one recent report raised troubling questions about potentially systematic efforts to advance anti Semitic and anti Israel information in Wikipedia articles related to conflicts with the state of Israel." "the Israeli regime regime's propaganda complex has dedicated courses and entire teams focused on editing Wikipedia so that it reflects their genocidal worldview." "Go to Wikipedia right now. Look up October 7 and see if there is any mention of the literal thousands of Palestinians who have been held hostage."

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Section 230, which granted internet platforms immunity as passive conduits, should be repealed. This perspective is based on the idea that platforms like Facebook, X, Instagram, and TikTok are not simply pass-throughs. Without moderation and monitoring, there is a loss of control, leading to social, psychological, and real-world harm.

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Speaker 0 argues that anonymity on social media stands in contrast to everyday norms in their countries, where masks on streets, unlicensed cars, IDs for packages, and names when purchasing hunting weapons are standard requirements. They point out that social networks currently allow people to roam freely without linking profiles to real identities, which they say enables misinformation, hate speech, and cyber harassment by facilitating bot activity and reducing accountability for actions. They contend that such an anomaly cannot continue. In a democracy, they claim, citizens have the right to privacy, but not the right to anonymity or impunity, because anonymity and impunity would undermine social coexistence. Based on this premise, they advocate for pushing forward the principle of pseudonymity as the functioning element of social media, and for forcing all platforms to link every user account to a European digital identity wallet. With this system, citizens would still be able to use nicknames if they choose, but in the case of a crime, public authorities would be able to connect those nicknames to real people and hold them responsible. The underlying assertion is that accountability is not an obstacle to freedom of speech, but rather an essential complement to it.

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- Grokopedia is introduced as a new alternative to Wikipedia, built on Elon Musk’s xAI model designed for deep understanding and reasoning, not just regurgitating text. - The program suggests Wikipedia has shifted left over time. It recounts how, ten years ago, Wikipedia was praised as a dream and as a replacement for traditional encyclopedias, with Britannica’s editor deriding encyclopedias as requiring paid researchers, while Wikipedia grew to become the world’s go-to resource and Britannica stopped printing books. - The speakers claim that, although Wikipedia allows anyone to edit, politics on the site is dominated by leftists. They point to examples of editors who advertise socialist views and display images of Che Guevara and Lenin. - They state that Wikipedia’s bias is evident in who counts as reliable or not, asserting that conservative media are deemed unreliable while outlets like CNN, MSNBC, Vox, Slate, The Nation, and Mother Jones are considered reliable. They claim Fox News is treated as unreliable, while Al Jazeera is considered generally reliable. - The narrative asserts bias in topic coverage and notability decisions. They mention a controversy over an article about a Ukrainian refugee that was deleted on the grounds it might not meet notability, contrasting it with other crimes that remained in Wikipedia. They also note a case where a suspect’s name was blacked out because he hadn’t been convicted, but another case (Kyle Rittenhouse) was named despite his status as a minor and not convicted. - The discussion includes claims that public pressure can sway Wikipedia at times (e.g., Irina Zerutsko’s article staying after outcry), but overall “nothing changes.” They describe a group of editors they call the “gang of forty,” who allegedly push propaganda in the Israel-Palestine conflict by removing mentions of terror attacks by Hezbollah and Hamas, and they describe a page titled “Donald Trump and Fascism” created just before a presidential election as interfering with elections. - They argue that Wikipedia presents a single worldview on major topics, excluding other perspectives, citing Fidel Castro’s successor Raul Castro as lacking the term “authoritarian” on his page, while other leaders have such labels applied. They also discuss government censorship and state-controlled outlets influencing Wikipedia’s content, noting that Chinese government censors flood the site and that China runs state propaganda outlets cited tens of thousands of times. - The COVID-19 lab-leak theory is discussed, with the speakers claiming that while evidence later emerged suggesting a lab origin, Wikipedia still claims “no evidence supporting laboratory involvement,” calling it a conspiracy theory. - Grokopedia is presented as offering an alternative where Grok lists investigations that affirm a lab-leak as the most probable origin, and the speaker says Grok is better than Wikipedia on their own page, which they claim contains mistakes and smears on the Wikipedia platform. - They mention other competing projects like Justopedia, founded by a veteran Wikipedia editor who wanted an alternative due to perceived left-wing bias; Scienceopedia and Justopedia are described as gaining momentum to provide more source variety. - The discussion closes with perspectives on governance of Wikipedia’s editorial direction: Catherine Mayer, head of the Wikimedia Foundation, is portrayed as evolving Wikipedia toward a woke and DEI ideology, with Maurer described as shaping critical years starting in 2016 and steering the foundation toward a social justice mission. - The speakers conclude with a call for dedicated, area-specific editors to enter and influence topics, suggesting that a few dozen committed editors could make a difference, though acknowledging the time required.

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Social media sites must be held responsible and understand their power. The speaker claims these sites speak directly to millions of people without oversight or regulation, and that "has to stop." The speaker asserts that the same rules must apply across platforms like Facebook and Twitter. Someone "has lost his privileges" and content "should be taken down."

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Why Is Wikipedia Broken? | Dr Larry Sanger | Modern Wisdom Podcast 118
Guests: Dr Larry Sanger
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Dr. Larry Sanger, co-founder of Wikipedia, discusses the platform's flawed decision-making process regarding disputed topics, emphasizing the lack of a formalized consensus. He coined the term "ex-founder" to describe his distancing from Wikipedia due to its ideological shifts and the rise of problematic contributors. Sanger recounts the origins of Wikipedia, initially intended to be a trustworthy encyclopedia through rigorous editorial processes, which ultimately failed due to low article production. He highlights his subsequent projects, including Citizendium, which required contributors to use real names and adhere to neutrality principles, and Everipedia, a blockchain-based encyclopedia allowing articles on any topic. Sanger advocates for a new model, the "encyclosphere," where multiple articles on the same topic can coexist, allowing diverse perspectives and fostering competition for the best content. He argues that this decentralized approach could empower individuals to contribute without the constraints of Wikipedia's policies. Sanger also expresses concerns about the ideological biases in current platforms and the need for transparency and neutrality in knowledge-sharing systems. He envisions a collaborative environment that respects diverse viewpoints while maintaining a commitment to factual accuracy.

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Wikipedia Co-Creator Reveals All: CIA Infiltration, Banning Conservatives, & How to Fix the Internet
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Controlling the narrative of the internet, Wikipedia looms as a modern steward of collective memory, and this interview with Larry Sanger traces how it came to shape what millions believe. Sanger explains that Jimmy Wales hired him to launch Nupedia, but a friend introduced Wikis, and the idea of open editing blossomed into Wikipedia. The project relaunched under wikipedia.com on January 15, 2001, and Sanger coined the name while shaping early policies, including a neutrality rule meant to summarize the consensus of reliable sources rather than publish original research. Over time, the neutrality framework evolved. NPOV requires representing all significant views from reliable sources, but critics note that it discourages minority or fringe views. Sanger describes how, in the early years, Wikipedia tried to be a neutral plane for diverse beliefs, yet from about 2012 onward the center-left establishment’s voice grew dominant as mainstream media itself shifted. Conservatives felt pushed out, and editors with ideological disagreements could be blocked or sidelined. The system also relies on paid editing, anonymity, and a 230 immunity shield that limits legal remedies for misconduct. Sanger enumerates the governance anatomy: 833 administrators, 16 bureaucrats, and 49 Czech users, with 15 members of an arbitration committee. He notes that 62 accounts wield key editorial power, yet only 14.5 percent are named, leaving 85 percent anonymous. He describes how the Wikimedia Foundation enjoys section 230 immunity, limiting liability, while anonymous editors can libel people with impunity. He cites the perennial sources blacklist, listing Breitbart, Fox News, NY Post, and others as non-citable, and explains the influence of Google in the early era, where Wikipedia pages fed into Google’s rankings and created a feedback loop that boosted its prominence. To address these dynamics, Sanger outlines nine theses proposing structural reform: end decision by consensus, enable competing articles, abolish source blacklists, revive original neutrality, repeal ignore all rules, reveal Wikipedia’s leaders, let the public rate articles, end indefinite blocking, and adopt a legislative process with an editorial assembly. He argues for a return to a genuine, pluralistic big-tent encyclopedia, the possibility of multiple viewpoints, and accountability through identifiable leadership and institutional reform. He also urges organized reform efforts by conservatives, libertarians, and affected communities to push for a constitutional convention within Wikipedia.

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Jimmy Wales on Systems and Incentives | Conversations with Tyler
Guests: Jimmy Wales
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In a conversation with Tyler Cowen, Jimmy Wales discusses the impact of contributions to Wikipedia, emphasizing that unique knowledge in obscure topics can yield significant returns. He notes that even stable articles like Shakespeare's "Hamlet" continue to evolve due to ongoing scholarship. Wales views Wikipedia as primarily an enlightenment project, advocating for a neutral and clear understanding of topics, contrasting it with the sensationalism of modern media. He identifies as a "mesopedian," valuing both knowledge and community processes. Wales highlights challenges in Wikipedia's bureaucratic nature, which can hinder new contributors. He acknowledges biases in articles, particularly in niche areas like Japanese anime, where enthusiasm can skew neutrality. Wales discusses the importance of Wikipedia's non-profit model, which avoids the pitfalls of ad-driven platforms that prioritize engagement over quality. He expresses optimism about Wikipedia's future, focusing on community health and the potential threats posed by technology shifts and legislative changes like Section 230. On the topic of paid editing, he distinguishes between acceptable contributions and those that advocate for specific interests. Wales critiques the right to be forgotten in Europe, arguing it undermines freedom of expression. He concludes by sharing his current projects, including WT.Social and a virtual Santa Claus initiative, reflecting his ongoing commitment to innovative social engagement.
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