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I'm just tired of the Epstein conversation. These powerful people implicated in these files will never let them be released. I'm putting the Epstein files in the same category as the JFK files, things the American people will never see because the people involved are still in control. It's amazing how anything implicating Israel is never declassified. Look at JFK's assassination and his arguments with Israel's Prime Minister, Ben Gurion. JFK demanded AIPAC register as foreign agents, then he was shot, and we can't see those files either. With Epstein's apparent Mossad connections, it becomes too complicated to release files. Now, we're told phase one is coming, but they need to blackout victims' names. 250 names? I could do that in an hour. I'm just tired of the political back and forth and pretending. As soon as Israel might be involved, transparency goes out the window. Phase one was a nothing burger.

Epstein was building control files using sex entrapment and laundering money. $21 trillion disappeared from the Department of Defense (DOD) and Housing and Urban Development (HUD) while Epstein was operating. Rubin, who became Secretary of Treasury, took Epstein to the White House in 1994. After Rubin went to Treasury, money started disappearing and Epstein's wealth ballooned. Epstein was laundering money coming out of DOD. His relationships with Mossad and Israeli intelligence are relevant, as Mossad was taking over DOD while money went missing. Cybersecurity and IT in the Israeli constellation were active in government at that time. If the Epstein files are released, people will connect Epstein, Mossad, the growing power of Israel and APAC, and the location of pension fund money. The institution that laundered $20 trillion also ran Operation Warp Speed. If the Epstein files come out, people will connect too many dots, with dramatic ramifications for the financial system.

Speaker 1 says that the real information about the Epstein files has not come out and that “there were only four Republicans, four of us that’s really fought to get them released,” who “signed the discharge petition, went against the White House,” and were “threatened,” with Donald Trump calling him a traitor and saying his friends would be hurt. He questions why anyone would vote for Republicans if the administration doesn’t release all the information, framing it as a line in the sand for many people. Speaker 0 asks why they think the Epstein files are being hidden. Speaker 1 responds that it’s because the hidden information would protect “some of the most rich, powerful people,” arguing that Epstein was “definitely some sort of part of the intelligence state” who was “working with Israel” and with the “former prime minister of Israel.” He asserts that these are “the dirty parts of government and the powers that be that they don’t want the American people to know about.” He concludes that, sadly, he doesn’t think the files will come out. Speaker 0 presses on whether Trump is in the Epstein files. Speaker 1 speculates that if someone is “living under blackmail” or “living under threat” and told not to release information, that fear could influence actions. He suggests that someone might be warned by threats to prevent disclosure, giving a hypothetical example: after standing on a rally stage, you could be shot in the ear and warned that “next time we won’t miss,” or that the bullet might be for someone you care about. He says he is “speculating,” but notes he has “a strong enough reason to speculate like that.”

The speaker asserts that the effort to release the Epstein files came directly from President Trump. They acknowledge that many people may have a hard time with this claim, but state that it is the truth. The speaker also says that Trump fought the hardest to stop these files from being released.

The speaker claims the release of the Epstein files is a psyop orchestrated by Israel because Trump is not sufficiently pro-Israel. According to the speaker, the Times of Israel suggests the files resurfaced and are overwhelming Trump because he criticized Netanyahu. The speaker says that while Trump bombed Iranian nuclear sites, he didn't bomb them for a full week as he should have. The speaker alleges that despite Trump's actions for Israel, it's not enough, and the Epstein list will be a problem for him because he messed with Israel. The speaker states that the Times of Israel implies Trump is being threatened by old files because he occasionally criticizes Netanyahu and his administration isn't fully compliant with discrimination against Christians in Israel.

Congressman Massey says the Epstein files touch "two Americas. One America for the rich and powerful." Epstein allegedly "raping 13 and 14 year olds" boasted of knowing presidents and leaders, yet survivors were told "nothing could be done." He asks for the full release of the files, noting "there are people who have raised that issue who are very credible" and questioning possible involvement by foreign governments or intelligence services. He cites donor pressure and says he has faced "private messages saying this is gonna cost you financial support." Victims fear for safety and have seen the files through their lawyers; they are prepared to release their own list if needed. The files are stored at DOJ, FBI, CIA, and Treasury; "we want the release of all of them." He seeks two more Republican votes and calls this "a moral test" for the country.

Matt claims that Epstein was an operator for a foreign government, leveraging compromising situations to control behavior, a tactic used by multiple intelligence agencies. He believes the reluctance to reveal the truth about Epstein stems from the US government's similar practices. The conversation then shifts to hard drives found in Epstein's house marked as evidence, which have not been released. Matt posits a countervailing theory: releasing such materials without evidentiary review could set a dangerous precedent, allowing for politically motivated leaks and mischaracterizations of evidence. He then suggests that a foreign government, in concert with elements within the US government at a state-to-state level, was responsible for Epstein's death, possibly due to weapon systems and global deals at play. He admits this is just a theory.

I was once told by a reporter at Fox that Epstein was an intelligence asset for people in the Middle East. This person was absolutely sure that Epstein was either knowingly or unknowingly working as an intelligence asset. It's a mistake to assume that Epstein was the only one with access to the videotapes from his plane and island. The reason some people wanted the Epstein story to disappear is because many assume that Epstein was the only one who had damaging information on powerful people. According to my source, that is not the case. It makes sense that the blackmail story is more widespread than people know. I do not know which Middle Eastern countries were involved.

The speaker believes Jeffrey Epstein was connected to intelligence, as Vicki Ward reported, and that the DOJ was told to leave him alone in 2008. They claim there's been a cover-up and will publish a video detailing the exact documents the DOJ should seek and individuals to question. The speaker believes the Epstein intelligence connection hasn't been investigated due to the Pandora's box it opens. They think public outrage might force some disclosure. The speaker attributes the suppression of information to a combination of donors and national security officials with intersecting interests who have influence over the White House and executive branch agencies. They claim Trump World donors were involved in Epstein's network. If Epstein's intelligence ties are confirmed, every aspect of his career would be scrutinized to determine which intelligence agency was involved, triggering intense investigation into his dealings. This, combined with donor pressure, has created a power struggle for the White House.

So, the Epstein files aren't online yet. Instead, the White House gave binders of the first disclosure phase to mainstream conservative influencers. Hopefully, the PDFs will be available soon. My concern is with some of the chosen influencers, particularly the staunchly pro-Israel ones. Considering Epstein's ties to Israel, it's questionable to have them control the documents. Their online presence seems to heavily favor Israeli narratives. More importantly, remember that access is a form of control in politics. These influencers now have access to the administration, which may compromise their ability to report critically and unbiasedly. While I'm staying optimistic, I hope everyone involved, regardless of their perspectives, reports the facts honestly and ethically.

Speaker: The speaker argues that we need to step back and examine the bigger picture of what was really going on with Epstein. According to the speaker, Epstein was “more than just a serial pedophile and a pervert. He was an incredibly powerful man,” who, in “multiple instances in the files that were just released,” was “talking about his work for Mossad, talking about his work for the Rothschilds.” The speaker emphasizes that this points to a broader pattern or operation, stating a need to “discuss the blackmail operation that was taking place” and asking, “which government that's a special ally of The United States put him up to it?” The speaker then questions the nature of U.S. alliances, asking, “do we really want to be allies with the country that kidnaps young girls, for rape just so they can have dirt on American politicians and control our foreign policy.” This line of inquiry is presented as the bigger underlying issue that, in the speaker’s view, has not been sufficiently discussed. The focus remains on connecting Epstein’s alleged activities to a broader blackmail or influence operation involving a foreign ally, and on the implications of such an alliance for U.S. political decision-making and foreign policy.

Discussion centers on why Epstein files aren’t public and reluctance; Tucker Carlson is mentioned. Speaker 1 says the president views it as "this is all a trap" and that it "reminds him of Russiagate"; "He had nothing to do with Epstein," and transparency "would have helped the country" and "the administration a lot." The other host wonders why fear of exposure matters. Speaker 1 testifies, "I knew Epstein. He did creepy stuff at my club. I kicked him out." Epstein was "always around" with figures like "Ahud Barak is living there. He's got Stephen Hawking and he's got members of the British So Royal on that level," and "half the people on television hung out with Epstein." He notes Epstein had contact with Israeli, US, and "most critically British intelligence" and ends, "There's nothing bad that happens that doesn't have British intelligence involved in it, I have noticed a lot."

Powerful Epstein clients like Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, and Reid Hoffman, may have been worried about the list coming out. It's frustrating that the list isn't being released. Releasing insignificant information is pointless. The public will be frustrated if no one is prosecuted, especially since Ghislaine Maxwell is in jail for sex trafficking. It's insane not to name the clients. It's stunning they've held it back so long. Many things are common knowledge, but we lack proof. When Epstein's place was raided, there must have been a mountain of evidence. Who took possession of it? Where are the tapes? We need tech-savvy people. When they raided his home and the island, they must have gotten everything. If it wasn't there, where is it? It has to be uploaded somewhere, with a chain of custody and a mountain of evidence.

If the Epstein files reveal Israel's prime role in a blackmail ring involving child sex trafficking, would you release them? Exposing this could halt aid money and redefine our view of Israel, possibly seeing them as our greatest threat, surpassing even the Soviet Union's subversion during the Cold War. The core question is whether Cash Patel and Pam Bondi will risk exposing a foreign nation's espionage, even if it implicates a supposed ally. I'm addressing the question about whether to release these files head-on. I am not anti-semitic, I judge people individually. Publicly available information and logic point to Jeffrey Epstein working for Israel, supported by Zionist Jewish billionaires who have devoted their lives to furthering Israeli interests.

The transcript centers on a long-form discussion of the Epstein case, the alleged “deep state,” FOIA operations, and political maneuvering around Trump, with frequent calls to aggressively release and pursue Epstein-related documents and other investigations. The speakers assert that the FOIA department is being used to shield deep-state ties and that many federal offices are filled with anti-Trump figures who have prevented full disclosure. - Epstein files and the role of the deep state - The speakers claim the Epstein files are being selectively redacted by FOIA departments to conceal deep-state connections. They state that FOIA personnel are controlled by deep-state actors and that Epstein’s case involves a “fleet of aircraft” and operations linked to major power centers. They argue Epstein’s activities connect to money laundering, information laundering, and a broader set of deep-state assets and operations. - They propose a remedy: appoint Tom Fitton as special counsel on the Epstein files, arguing he “knows how FOIA really works,” understands key personnel, and has litigated Epstein-related cases for years. They assert this would restore public confidence and expedite the exposure of Democratic ties and other actors alleged to be involved. - They advocate for Trump to have executive-privilege-style powers to declassify and release Epstein materials, suggesting a broad interpretation of “Epstein file law” that would allow him to disclose or appoint an ombudsman with power to release materials at will. They emphasize the need to disclose Democratic ties and to hold press conferences when releasing documents, avoiding the use of fake documents or videos. - Specific figures and institutions named - Kash Patel is cited as saying there are “open files on a dozen plus coconspirators” and as someone who has noted alleged misdirections by those handling Epstein-related material. - Kyle Serafin and Phil Kennedy are mentioned as documenting a person at the FBI capacity who is “an anti-Trump advocate,” implying that deep-state appointments control FOIA and related processes. - Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss replacing FOIA and related personnel who are deeply implicated; they specifically name Tom Fitton as the ideal choice and entertain other high-profile figures like Tulsi Gabbard as potential custodians of the Epstein disclosures. - Tulsi Gabbard is described as being in charge of broader investigations tied to the Epstein files and other major political issues (elections, COVID-19, etc.). They also reference “Epstein files” intersecting with other investigations they attribute to the deep state. - Epstein, Maxwell, and allied networks - Epstein is described as deeply embedded with Western intelligence agencies (French, Israeli, UK, and US) and tied to Robert Maxwell, with Maxwell’s daughter linked to Epstein. Epstein is portrayed as having been “recruited by Bill Barr” and as a central figure in a long-running intelligence and blackmail operation. - The discussion links Epstein to Leslie Wexner (Victoria’s Secret founder) and a French talent agency, portraying these connections as part of a large, interconnected network involved in money laundering, arms trafficking, blackmail, and intelligence work. - The speakers insist that Epstein’s activities extended to the late 1990s and beyond, including alleged involvement in “Shutters” in Santa Monica and other high-profile cases, with a consistent pattern of using underage girls and blackmail to exert influence. - They emphasize a broader motive: exposing the “deep state” to vindicate Trump and indict deep-state actors who allegedly engaged in illicit operations, including foreign intelligence services and Western governments. - The broader political frame and potential indictments - The Epstein files are presented as a potential hinge for indicting a wide array of figures across political lines, including references to Comey, Mueller, Hillary Clinton-era actors, and other “rogue actors” who allegedly hindered investigations. - The conversation ties Epstein to broader themes: the 2020 election, COVID policies, and anti-Trump actions by the “deep state.” They contend that the Epstein disclosures could demonstrate the depth of state interference in political processes and media, making Democrats and their institutions targets of accountability. - They argue the Epstien files could show criminal activity by multiple national actors, including Israeli, UK, and French components, and could reveal coordinated efforts to derail Trump and manipulate media narratives. - The Candace Owens angle and related criticisms - A substantial portion of the dialogue critiques Candace Owens, alleging she is running a “CIA-style” operation that distracts from the true conspiracy around the deep state and Tarantifa, and that she manipulates narratives related to Tyler Robinson and Charlie Kirk. - They accuse Owens of shifting narratives, fabricating alibis, and promoting disinformation, calling her a “SIOP” (psychological operation) and alleging her behind-the-scenes connections to MI6 or other international actors through her husband (George Farmer) and other associates. - They recount multiple incidents where Owens purportedly changed stories about meetings, alibis, and involvement in various investigations, asserting she uses “receipts” selectively and inconsistently to support divergent claims. - The speakers allege that Owens’s public warfare against Trump and TP USA is part of a broader intelligence operation intended to disrupt conservative momentum, link to Royal/MI6 circles, and undermine investigations into the deep state and its networks. - Tyler Robinson case and media dynamics - They describe Tyler Robinson as a Middle American figure whose transformation into a political actor is portrayed as a product of online radicalization and Tarantifa-linked influences. They claim there was a concerted effort to spoon-feed disinformation about Robinson and Candace Owens’ involvement. - They argue this is part of a larger pattern of media manipulation and disinformation designed to distract from real conspiracies and to target Trump and conservative movements. - Strategy and messaging guidance - The speakers advocate for Trump to go on the offensive with Epstein, releasing comprehensive, verified documentation, and pushing accountability for “rogue actors” in the FBI, the DOJ, the CIA, and the NSA. - They stress the need for aggressive prosecution and the appointment of trusted figures to lead the Epstein disclosures, arguing that this could restore public confidence and pivot the political conversation toward accountability for the deep state. - They urge addressing the statute of limitations issues in COVID, January 6, and 2020 election-related cases before the window closes in early 2026, warning that delays by Bondi, Blanche, and others could jeopardize prosecutions and political support. - Promotional and logistical notes - The dialogue includes frequent mentions of promoting Alex Jones programs, products, and stores (alexjonesstore.com and infowarsstore.com) to fund operations, along with appeals to listeners to support the broadcasts financially and through purchases, framing financial support as essential to sustaining investigations, media efforts, and broader political action. In sum, the transcript presents an entangled, aggressively conspiratorial narrative: a claim that Epstein’s files illuminate a vast, deeply embedded deep-state apparatus spanning multiple nations and agencies; a call to appoint trusted figures (notably Tom Fitton) to supervise full disclosure; a push for Trump to declassify and publicly prosecute the implicated actors; a harsh critique of Candace Owens as part of a disinformation ecosystem; and a broader strategy to use Epstein, along with related investigations, to dismantle perceived institutional corruption while fueling political narratives and fundraising.

The speaker claims that if videos existed of someone committing felonies on an island, they would be released. They assert that there are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child pornography and hundreds of victims. The speaker states that no victim information will be released due to the volume of evidence. They claim the FBI is diligently going through this evidence.

The speaker claims to have compiled an Epstein client list using victims' testimonies, internal emails, court documents, settlements, financial records, and staff testimony, not a single "black book." This list was released publicly in 2019 but received little attention due to the speaker's prior cancellation for opposing Israel. The speaker asserts that Epstein was working for a foreign government, compromising powerful Americans. Contrary to popular belief, people *have* been prosecuted and companies have paid large settlements related to Epstein, but it's not publicized. Jean Luc Brunel, allegedly the number three man in the Epstein ring, was arrested but died in prison. The speaker believes the truth about Epstein is being ignored, similar to 9/11 conspiracy theories. They state that videos from Epstein's properties exist and that many pedophiles and human traffickers are being arrested, but the media is silent. The speaker shares pages from the list and urges someone with media reach to discuss the issue.

The speaker argues that pressure on Netanyahu to reveal real information could emerge if a real US-Iran deal is forming. They claim Netanyahu would sabotage such a deal by releasing Epstein material against US government officials, including Trump, introducing new material not previously public. The claim extends beyond Trump to other officials as well, with Howard Lutnick noting that there are additional officials involved. The overall point is that Netanyahu might undermine the negotiations by exposing sensitive material tied to multiple US officials.

The speaker expresses concern that the Epstein files have not been released despite orders from the president and attorney general. They fear the "deep state" may have shredded documents before the new administration could access them. They hope someone has a copy of the files, as Anna Paulina Luna's task force is frustrated by the lack of release. The speaker believes the "deep state" covers its tracks and wouldn't leave incriminating evidence. Their concern is whether the government was involved with Epstein, using videos to blackmail influential people. If the government knew about the crimes and did nothing, the speaker believes the American people would not be okay with it. They don't believe any cover-up would be out of affection for figures like the Clintons, but rather to protect the agencies involved.

The speaker discusses Epstein-related documents and the implications people draw from them. They claim: - The memo circulated with media suggesting Jeffrey Epstein worked for the KGB, and that Epstein might have had multiple passports, talked to Israeli politicians and Jewish businessmen, and repeatedly invokes his Jewish identity. - In an email with former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, Epstein says he’s totally not working for Mossad. - Former Mossad officer Ari Ben Menashe says Epstein was working for Mossad. - In documents, Mark Iverson states that Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell, and Jeffrey Epstein were working for Mossad; the speaker asserts that Robert Maxwell was not a Soviet spy. - British Foreign Office and Israeli whistleblowers say Epstein was working for Mossad, and he was given a hero’s burial in Israel, not in Russia. - In an actual email with Peter Thiel, Epstein says that he represents the Rothschild family. - The speaker poses questions: If a Russian passport proves he works for Russia, does boarding CIA planes prove he works for the United States? If he has a blackmail list on United Kingdom politicians, does that prove he works for the British? If he talks to Emmanuel Macron and prime minister Nicolas Sarkozy, does that prove he works for the French? The speaker concludes that, regardless, Epstein’s primary loyalties are with his people. - The speaker asserts that Zionists on Twitter claim the Epstein documents are a “nothingburger,” and urge continuing with other topics; they accuse those who disagreed of having low IQ and claim the documents reveal clear content with their own eyes. - Senator Bernie Sanders is described as saying this is a cautionary tale about wealth and power; the speaker counters by saying “your cousins” are helping orchestrate this, and that Sanders has repeatedly criticized Israel. - The speaker accuses proponents of diverting attention from the primary culprit and states that such attempts are not working on anyone.

Jeffrey Epstein was working on behalf of Intel Services, likely not American, and it's valid to question on whose behalf he operated. How did he go from a math teacher to owning multiple airplanes, a private island, and a large Manhattan house without a college degree? Epstein had direct connections to a foreign government, and while people avoid naming Israel, there's nothing wrong, hateful, antisemitic, or anti-Israel about asking if he worked for Mossad, running a blackmail operation. Everyone in Washington D.C. suspects this, but feels unable to voice it. The speaker believes open discussion is better than suppressed resentment and hate. The question of whether this happened has been posed to the Israeli government, who declined to answer. The speaker argues that as long as the U.S. sends Israel money, the U.S. has a right to know if Israel committed crimes on U.S. soil.

Transcript centers on truth and why Epstein files should be public. They note both parties avoid real reasons. Speaker 1 says the president views it as “all a trap” and that it “reminds him of Russiagate”—an attempt by Democrats to ensnare him in a fake scandal; “he's not... never did anything creepy,” the speaker says. The speaker argues transparency would have helped “the country” and “the administration,” giving it credibility. They speculate why disclosure is feared: “could it be that Trump was there and he just doesn't wanna jeopardize his presidency even putting it out there?” Epstein is described as “the center of New York society for... decades.” The claim: “I don't think having dinner at his house or even necessarily going to his island is proof of a crime.” Finally, they note “Epstein had contact with Israeli intelligence” and “British intelligence”—“probably scarier than Mossad and CIA.”

Discussion centers on why Epstein files should be public and why both parties avoid reasons. "It's all a trap," the host says, noting the president views the matter as a Democrat trap similar to "Russiagate." He claims the president "knew Epstein" and "he did creepy stuff at my club. I kicked him out." The speakers suggest transparency would have helped credibility. They describe Epstein's prominence in New York society, listing guests "Ehud Barak" and "members of the British So Royal," arguing that "having dinner with him" isn’t proof of crime. They question why intelligence agencies tolerate such associations, speculating "He clearly had contact with Israeli intelligence. He clearly had contact with US intelligence, and maybe most critically British intelligence," describing British intelligence as "probably a little scarier than Mossad and CIA" and noting "There's nothing bad that happens that doesn't have British intelligence involved in it, I have noticed."

Speaker 0: Do you agree with Candace Owens that the reason we are not going to see the client list is because Israel is implicated? Speaker 1: Israel is implicated. I’m just going to say that. Speaker 0: But what would Israel have to do with Epstein? Speaker 1: I mean, the former prime minister of Israel, he had Barack lived at Epstein's townhouse for years. I mean, the allegation is that Epstein was running a blackmail operation against powerful people where they would be videotaped having outside of marriage or illegally with underage women, that information will be used against them to get them to comply with whatever request that government wanted them to comply with. I think it's absolutely fair to ask to what extent was Epstein involved in a foreign intelligence operation on our show. This is our country. This country doesn't belong to any foreign country. Okay. This is our country. I was born here. I pay taxes here. So if some foreign country, I don't care if you claim it's our ally or not, is running an intel operation on my soil, I have a right to know what that was.