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The speaker recounts the depth of the evil involved in Jeffrey Epstein’s network as described by survivors during a press conference. They explain that 14-year-old girls were told by a high school friend to come to an old man’s house, give him a massage, and he would pay $200, with a swimming pool and other enticements presented. The massage would escalate to sexual acts, and Epstein would keep their phone numbers. Through the shame and coercion, the girls were compelled to show up at his beck and call whenever he wanted. The only way they could get out of performing sexual favors was to find another girl at their high school who would take their place. One survivor broke down in tears as she admitted that she faced a choice between finding a replacement girl or returning to perform the acts, and she chose to find another girl. The speaker notes that even after it was known that these were 15-year-old girls coerced by an adult man, people still said they were sex traffickers and trafficked these women. The speaker emphasizes the realization of how evil it is for someone to make others commit evil acts and then implicate them, which made it harder for the survivors to come forward. There is discussion of why the names of the victims aren’t released. Epstein’s abuse involved billionaires who could pay off authorities and judges. After girls reached the age of consent, Epstein would traffic them to his friends, arguing that some were prostitutes who were 18 or older and thus consenting. The speaker explains that when these men had money, they could pay off police departments, cause reports to disappear, or influence judges. Many of the girls came from less affluent families, and the money paid to the families ranged from $150,000 up to $500,000, while the girl often would not testify. The men would then use defamation lawsuits to bankrupt the survivors who spoke out or tried to contest their false allegations. The process itself functions as punishment, with survivors forced to go broke just to defend their names.

Yesterday, Attorney General Pam Bondi at the White House disclosed "the existence of tens of thousands of videos featuring little children." "There are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn." This was described as brand new information and the first public acknowledgment that videos of Epstein and his victims exist. Nine days earlier, Bondi had a similar conversation with a total stranger in a restaurant: "Do you know when the Epstein files are gonna get released? We hope soon after." "There are tens of thousands of videos. Yeah." "And it's all but little kids, so they have to go through every one." The report notes officials spoke of a "mountain of evidence" but not this, and asks why the detail was shared with a self-described nanny at brunch rather than the American people, and why it was held back. The public wants answers and accountability.

The conversation centers on the ongoing examination of Jeffrey Epstein’s files and what they reveal, with a focus on disturbing content, coded language, and the reliability of the material. - The speakers note the FBI’s earlier claim that there was no sex trafficking, calling that claim gaslighting given the scale of material now public. They emphasize the last four file dumps as “unbelievable” in their volume and in the disturbing, often coded language contained within. - They discuss how widespread Epstein’s influence appears to be, noting that Epstein’s activities touch many high-profile figures across politics and business. Names that repeatedly surface include former president Bill Clinton (clearly named in one journal entry) and former president Donald Trump (referenced repeatedly, sometimes with redactions that leave the identity ambiguous). Other figures mentioned include Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, and Ivanka Trump, among others. They point out that some references are explicit, while others are obfuscated or redacted. - A central feature of the material is the use of code words to describe sexual abuse and trafficking. The participants give several examples: - The journal of a 16-year-old Epstein trafficking victim uses coded language; words like “yucky,” “gross,” and other terms are interpreted by an attorney as code for sexual assault. The journal explicitly mentions Chelsea Clinton in one passage and references to Bill Clinton, with the implication of inappropriate acts. - “Pizza” is repeatedly identified as a common code word in emails and journals, linked by some to the broader Pizza Gate lore, and sometimes paired with “grape soda” or “beef jerky” as coded references. They note that “pizza” appears over 900 times in some files, and “grape soda” is mentioned in the context of sexual references or secret messages. - The reliability and credibility of victims’ accounts are discussed. The 16-year-old victim’s journals include extraordinary claims (for example, about having Epstein’s child), and the speakers acknowledge that some allegations are “out outrageous” and may be difficult to corroborate. They stress the need for more forensic verification to determine what is authentically attributable to the victim and what may be embellishment or misinterpretation. They mention claims that a baby allegedly connected to Ghislain Maxwell and Epstein existed, but note that there is no independent corroboration of a child, while other entries discuss the possibility of egg freezing and related issues. - Redactions are scrutinized. Some names are clearly identifiable (e.g., Clinton, Chelsea), while others (including a Trump-related item) are redacted or partially disclosed. The hosts suggest the redactions may reflect AI-assisted and manual redaction, with some omissions caused by the sheer volume of material and potential misses during processing. They acknowledge that some files were removed after the initial release due to redaction errors, which complicates interpretation. - The discussion moves to Epstein’s personal network and possible roles as a liaison or intelligence asset. They observe Epstein’s connections to Middle Eastern figures and governments, including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE, and speculate about possible associations with Mossad, Saudi intelligence, and other agencies. They discuss Epstein’s travel history, mentions of forged or fake passports, and the possibility that he might have contemplated operating outside the United States. - The material includes extensive photographic and video evidence. The speakers remark on the sheer number of images and videos, the presence of many well-known individuals in Epstein’s orbit, and body-language cues suggesting Epstein treated others as objects for his pleasure. They note that even after his 2008 conviction, Epstein remained photographed in public settings, implying ongoing power dynamics and influence. - The possibility that Epstein is alive is entertained, sparked by references to a possible escape plan and by discussion of questions around his death. They analyze a document scribbled in jail that the speaker interprets as an escape plan, including references to red notices, visas, banks, and “blackmail,” and discuss the idea that the death could have been staged or influenced by external actors. They contrast this with official accounts that describe Epstein’s death as suicide, while acknowledging inconsistencies in the DOJ and inspector general reports, and noting new observations such as delayed camera activity and reports of document shredding. - They conclude that the scope of material is enormous (tens of thousands to millions of pages, images, and videos), with three point something million released out of six point something million known to exist. They caution that the released files likely represent the tip of the iceberg and emphasize the value of collaboration among investigators, journalists, and researchers to parse the data. - Throughout, Epstein’s associates—including Maxwell and high-profile figures in politics and entertainment—are repeatedly examined in terms of possible roles, affiliations, and complicity, alongside broader questions about intent, corroboration, and the interpretation of coded language within the files.

Speaker 0 states that, after reviewing most of the files, there is no credible information indicating that Jeffrey Epstein trafficked the young women to anyone other than himself. They emphasize that if such information existed, they would have pursued a case yesterday. They reiterate that the information available is limited, and when asked if Epstein trafficked the women to anyone else, the answer is no one, based on the information in the case file.

Speaker 0 asks: You've seen most of the files. Who, if anyone, did Epstein traffic these young young women to besides himself? Speaker 1 answers: 'Himself, there is no credible information. None. If there were, I would bring the case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals.' He adds that 'the information we have, again, is limited.' Speaker 0 presses: 'So the answer is no one?' Speaker 1: 'For the information that we have.' Speaker 0 clarifies: 'In the files?' Speaker 1 confirms: 'In the case file.' Speaker 0: 'Okay. Now'

The speaker was asked whether they had communicated with a long list of people in relation to Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell. The responses were predominantly negative. Specifically, the named individuals were: Richard Khan, Darren N. Dyke, Sarah Kellen, Doug Band, Lawrence Summers, Huma Abedin, Noam Chomsky, Leslie Groff, Nadia Marcincova, John Luke Brunel, Alan Dershowitz, Kathy Rumler, Bill Richardson, George Mitchell, Andrew Mountbatten Windsor (formerly Prince Andrew), Peter Mandelson, Reid Hoffman, Karina Shuliak, Bill Gates, Eyud Barak, Woody Allen, Sandy Berger, Jess Staley, Paul Morris, Leon Black, Sultan Ahmed bin Salim (listed as Sultan Ahmed bin Souliam in the transcript), Leslie Wexner, Jack Kessler, Mark Middleton, Harvey Weinstein, Ellie de Rothschild, Ariane de Rothschild, Lynn Forster de Rothschild, and any other members of the de Rothschild family. Speaker 1's replies were mostly “No,” indicating no communication with these individuals regarding Epstein or Maxwell. The dialogue includes an exception: Huma Abedin. In preparation for the hearing, Speaker 1 acknowledged having talked to Huma Abedin about this topic, with the explicit question, “Have I ever talked to her about this in preparation for this hearing? I have.” Outside of that preparation conversation, Speaker 1 stated, “Not that I recall.” There is also a moment where Speaker 1 comments on familiarity with the list: “No. I don't know most of these people. Should I tell you that I don't know who they are or just tell you I never talked to them?” This reflects uncertainty about the identities of several individuals and a preference for simply answering that they never talked to them. Finally, the inquiry regarding the de Rothschild family elicited a uniform response of “No,” including a specific question about “Ellie de Rothschild,” “Ariane de Rothschild,” and “Lynn Forster de Rothschild,” followed by “Any other members of the de Rothschild family?” with the reply “No.”

Speaker 1 says that the real information about the Epstein files has not come out and that “there were only four Republicans, four of us that’s really fought to get them released,” who “signed the discharge petition, went against the White House,” and were “threatened,” with Donald Trump calling him a traitor and saying his friends would be hurt. He questions why anyone would vote for Republicans if the administration doesn’t release all the information, framing it as a line in the sand for many people. Speaker 0 asks why they think the Epstein files are being hidden. Speaker 1 responds that it’s because the hidden information would protect “some of the most rich, powerful people,” arguing that Epstein was “definitely some sort of part of the intelligence state” who was “working with Israel” and with the “former prime minister of Israel.” He asserts that these are “the dirty parts of government and the powers that be that they don’t want the American people to know about.” He concludes that, sadly, he doesn’t think the files will come out. Speaker 0 presses on whether Trump is in the Epstein files. Speaker 1 speculates that if someone is “living under blackmail” or “living under threat” and told not to release information, that fear could influence actions. He suggests that someone might be warned by threats to prevent disclosure, giving a hypothetical example: after standing on a rally stage, you could be shot in the ear and warned that “next time we won’t miss,” or that the bullet might be for someone you care about. He says he is “speculating,” but notes he has “a strong enough reason to speculate like that.”

Well, there's 33,000 pages that have been released. they've basically released everything except for the victim information, which, obviously, we don't release that. One thing to note that today when we're actually talking to some of the victims, one of the women stated that at 14 when Epstein started to victimize her, that she has no recollection of some of the stuff that was done to her. She's hoping to find that out so that she can actually bring to her therapist and continue the healing process in regards to the damage and the trauma that was caused to her. there's a lot of very wealthy bad people. It's actually scary to hear some of the stuff that was brought forward. the only way to collectively attack this is as a group and as a whole, meaning that Democrats and Republicans have to work work together and back up on more subpoenas because I think this is gonna be pretty hairy. Is there more information beyond these 33,000 pages? Well, there's gonna be names. The attorneys kept emphasizing we need to follow-up on the names. These girls are not just making this up. These are some of the wealthiest people probably in the world, and we'll start They told us not to because they don't want those people to start basically burning files. So I think this is going criminal investigation for sure. I know that some of the delay was due to redacting victim information, and so we'll see where it goes.

Attorney General Pam Bondi disclosed the existence of tens of thousands of videos featuring little children in relation to Jeffrey Epstein. This was the first time an official publicly acknowledged videos of Epstein and his victims. Nine days prior, the attorney general had a similar conversation with a stranger in a restaurant, stating there are tens of thousands of videos, all with little kids. A reporter sent the AG's office the text of the recording, questioning why this detail was not disclosed to the public but was instead told to a random stranger. The attorney general used almost the exact same language as she did with the stranger. Questions are raised as to why the information was shared with a stranger before the American people, and why this information was held back in the first place. It is questioned whether a government apparatus is still working behind the scenes to protect.

Speaker 0: You've seen most of the files. Who, if anyone, did Epstein traffic these young young women to besides himself? Speaker 1: Himself, there is no credible information. None. If there were, I would bring the case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals. And the in information we have, again, is limited. Speaker 0: So the answer is no one? Speaker 1: For the information that we have. Speaker 0: In the files? Speaker 1: In the case file. Speaker 0: Okay. Now

The transcript presents two contrasting points. First, it states that there is no credible information that he trafficked them to anyone else. Second, it notes that, according to victims who cooperated with the FBI in that investigation, documents in FBI possession, your possession, detail at least 20 men to whom Jeffrey Epstein trafficked victims. Among those named is mister Jess Staley, CEO of Barclays Bank, indicating that Epstein trafficked victims to him. The list also includes at least 19 other individuals, spanning a range of professions and high-profile positions. The described categories of people named in the documents include a Hollywood producer worth a few hundred million dollars, a royal prince, a high-profile individual in the music industry, a very prominent banker, a high-profile government official, a high-profile former politician, an owner of a car company in Italy, a rock star, and a magician. The enumeration further specifies that at least six billionaires are among those listed, including a billionaire from Canada. In summary, the transcript claims that while there is no credible information of trafficking to other parties, FBI-linked documents enumerate a network of at least 20 men connected to Epstein’s trafficking of victims, with Jess Staley explicitly identified as one of the recipients. The rest of the named individuals span diverse and prestigious sectors—entertainment, royalty, finance, government, politics, automotive business, music, magic, and extreme wealth—highlighting a broad and varied set of possible associations. The allegations are presented as claims from victims who cooperated with the FBI, and the list is described as detailing those individuals to whom Epstein trafficked victims.

Yesterday, Attorney General Pam Bondi disclosed at the White House what she called brand new information about Jeffrey Epstein: the existence of tens of thousands of videos featuring little children. "There are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn." Nine days earlier, Bondi had a similar exchange with a total stranger in a restaurant. "Do you know when the Epstein files are gonna get released? We hope soon after" and "There are tens and thousands of videos. Yeah. And it's all but little kids." A reporter later sent the AG's office the recording and asked why this detail wasn't disclosed to the public, noting it had been told to a random stranger at a restaurant. The public hesitated to publish, but the response suggests Americans want answers and accountability.

Are you aware that the report revealed children were exploited by someone posing as their aunt, who wasn't actually related? There are several incidents in that Florida report. I may recall some better than others, and I might dispute some, but I don't remember that specific case. What about the teenage girl living in a house with unknown men, lacking a private bedroom? Are you aware that sponsors used a Jacksonville strip club's address for a child? I don’t have the details of the Florida grand jury report in front of me, but I can review it and follow up with you.

Speaker: The speaker argues that we need to step back and examine the bigger picture of what was really going on with Epstein. According to the speaker, Epstein was “more than just a serial pedophile and a pervert. He was an incredibly powerful man,” who, in “multiple instances in the files that were just released,” was “talking about his work for Mossad, talking about his work for the Rothschilds.” The speaker emphasizes that this points to a broader pattern or operation, stating a need to “discuss the blackmail operation that was taking place” and asking, “which government that's a special ally of The United States put him up to it?” The speaker then questions the nature of U.S. alliances, asking, “do we really want to be allies with the country that kidnaps young girls, for rape just so they can have dirt on American politicians and control our foreign policy.” This line of inquiry is presented as the bigger underlying issue that, in the speaker’s view, has not been sufficiently discussed. The focus remains on connecting Epstein’s alleged activities to a broader blackmail or influence operation involving a foreign ally, and on the implications of such an alliance for U.S. political decision-making and foreign policy.

There is no client list detailing people Jeffrey Epstein trafficked. Instead, there is a redacted FBI affidavit from accusers accusing various people of improper sex. The speaker, as the former lawyer involved in investigations, knows the identities of those redacted, but claims none are public figures currently in office. Some were previously in office, and some are dead. The redactions are the result of court orders from two judges in Manhattan protecting alleged victims. Pam Bondi, the Justice Department, and Donald Trump are not responsible for these redactions, and the speaker is unaware of any undisclosed information they could release. The speaker claims the vast majority of names in the files are already public knowledge, appearing in articles and books. The speaker believes the media has not done enough to find the people already disclosed in the public record.

Speaker 0 pressed: 'Did you tell the attorney general that Donald Trump's name is in the Epstein files?' Speaker 1 responded: 'I have never spoken to president Trump about the Epstein files.' Speaker 1: 'The attorney general and I have had numerous discussions about the entirety of the Epstein files and the reviews conducted by our team.' Speaker 1: 'And we have released where president Trump's name is the files.' Speaker 1: 'During many conversations that the attorney general and I have had on the matter of Epstein, we have reviewed' Speaker 0: 'Question is simple.' Speaker 0: 'Who' Speaker 0: 'Did you tell the attorney general that Donald Trump's name is in the Epstein files? Yes or no?' Speaker 1: 'Why don't you try spelling it out' Speaker 0: 'Yes or no? Use' Speaker 0: 'the alphabet.' Speaker 0: 'Yes or no?' Speaker 1: 'No. A b c.' Speaker 0: 'Question has been asked and answered.' Speaker 0: 'You've not answered it, and we will take your evasiveness as a consciousness of guilt.'

The speaker asks if the listener has seen "this," referring to "him." The speaker then references an allegation that government officials are aiding in pedophilia, child abuse, and grooming. The speaker asks if this is like what Jeffrey Epstein did with clones. The speaker then asks, "Is that a yes? Is that a yes?"

James Palmer stated that all the Epstein files are missing. The speaker clarified that some files are missing. The FBI is reviewing tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn, involving hundreds of victims. No victim's information will be released due to the volume of material. The FBI is diligently reviewing the files. The speaker hasn't seen James Palmer's statement.

the victims themselves has have stated that this is a lot bigger than I think anyone anticipated. We are obviously being going to be requesting the SARS reports from treasury and also to following up on that. There's some very rich and powerful people that need to go to jail. But it is very much so possibility that Jeffrey Epstein was a intelligence asset working for our adversaries. But also to, I think the questions that we have is how much their own government know about it. And so there's more to follow, and I'm sure you'll be hearing from the chairman momentarily. Victims deserve praise for coming forward, including a woman who is as young as 14 years old when she was victimized multiple times by Jeffrey Epstein. The victims want information to be out there, but they don't want their personal information.

The speaker claims that if videos existed of someone committing felonies on an island, they would be released. They assert that there are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child pornography and hundreds of victims. The speaker states that no victim information will be released due to the volume of evidence. They claim the FBI is diligently going through this evidence.

The speaker references Brock Pierce, described as an Epstein client and alleged child abuser and as a cofounder of Tethr, and asks, “Who is friends with Epstein client and alleged child abuser, Tethr cofounder Brock Pierce.” They then say, “I don't know shit about Brock's history, and I've never met him. I don't know if he's an Epstein client. I don't know anything about these allegations, and I don't really care at this point because it doesn't affect my life at all.”

The speaker asks about the FBI's failure to investigate claims and the specific actions taken regarding the investigation of CSAM involvement. The other speaker acknowledges the interest in child sex exploitation and human trafficking. They mention working with prosecutors on the Epstein case but admit it has been a while since they reviewed it. The speaker emphasizes the importance of investigating the sex trafficking ring and obtaining the flight logs. They express the need for transparency and mention the redacted logs. The other speaker acknowledges the request for more information and promises to consult their team. The speaker highlights the lack of resolution in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial and the survivors' claims of a cover-up, urging the need for accountability.

Speaker 1 questions why House Republicans haven't released Jeffrey Epstein's Black Book, which is under the FBI director's control, to expose alleged pedophiles. When asked if he would declassify the Epstein files, Speaker 1 says he would, but expresses concern about potentially affecting people's lives if the information is phony. Speaker 0 says the issue is bigger than Epstein, 9/11, JFK, or RFK, and asks who is on the Epstein tapes and in the black books, questioning why this information has been hidden. Speaker 3 mentions Donald Trump has discussed the DOJ potentially releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Speaker 2 claims that the release is under review, following a directive by President Trump, stating that everything will come out to the public because Americans have a right to know.

In the discussion, Congressmen Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie were shown viewing the unredacted Epstein files on Capitol Hill, including material that had been previously redacted by the DOJ. The hosts question why large portions of the files were redacted and accuse Pam Bondi’s team of noncompliance with the Epstein Transparency Act. They suggest the move to foreground Bondi is a signal of political maneuvering to manage the release of the documents. Speaker 1 presents a Super Bowl ad urging the DOJ to release what the law requires, followed by a note that Epstein’s associate and alleged child sex trafficking figure Ghislain (Ghislaine) Maxwell appeared before Congress and invoked the Fifth Amendment when asked about the men who allegedly abused underage girls. Ro Khanna’s reaction is shared: Maxwell should not be in a cushy setting and should be sent back to maximum security. Speaker 2 emphasizes that, of the files released, the names of clients and coconspirators in the sex trafficking ring have not been disclosed, while victims’ names have been released. This is framed as either over-redaction or omission, with a claim that government names should not be redacted under the Transparency Act. Speaker 0 introduces Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, who explains her perspective. She notes the urgency of transparency and states that victims deserve the truth, accusing the DOJ of failing to comply with the Epstein Transparency Act and calling out a persistent “battle” over the release of files even after the 2025 law. Speaker 3 (Greene) describes the impact of the disclosures, noting that the files reveal “violence, possibly murder,” and that survivors’ testimonies are harrowing. She recounts facing personal and political backlash for pushing disclosure, arguing that the administration and many Republicans have shifted their positions since the revelations. She asserts that the released files show that “the DOJ breaking the law” through redactions of names of former presidents, secretaries of state, and government officials, while leaving victim information exposed. Speaker 4 asks Greene about the possibility that the information might point to a broader, deeper network. Greene responds by stating that the files include FBI forms about Epstein, implying a level of official involvement, and asserts that the Trump administration has not released the information; she claims President Trump referred to the Epstein issue as a “Democrat hoax” and that Pam Bondi, who works for Trump, controls the release. Greene suggests the “independent counsel” would be the American people themselves, explaining distrust toward political figures and the two-party system. She shares that she would not vote to support foreign aid or a central bank digital currency, and notes the chilling effect of the retaliation she and Massey have faced from party structures, including loss of campaign staff and suggestions of political blacklisting. Speaker 0 asks about potential accountability or a special counsel and whether there might be more significant revelations. Greene predicts limited accountability, arguing that the president has influence over DOJ and other agencies, and that the people are the true independent counsel. She laments the “uni-party” dynamic and predicts continued resistance to releasing the full Epstein files. Towards the end, Greene reiterates that she does not plan to run for higher office and reflects on the broader political environment, emphasizing that the public’s demand for transparency could drive change. The dialogue closes with Greene expressing willingness to return and discuss further.

Speakers honor the brave women who were victimized, insisting that no one should be above the law and that the government itself failed these women. They note there were hundreds, hundreds of women involved and that millions of girls are watching how society handles sexual abuse, while the government is keeping them from justice, healing, and peace. They urge action: the time to step up, the time to push to fight to ensure justice is now and today is why we are here, call for an official hearing on the books within our committee, and for the Department of Justice to hand over immediately all of the files within its custody, noting that some victims have not been able to access their own files. They conclude these women are still seeking justice and healing, not just regarding Epstein, but not just of Epstein, but of sexual assault across our country.