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For years, I claimed that none of the 72 vaccines mandated for children underwent proper safety testing in placebo-controlled trials. When I confronted Fauci about this, he couldn't provide the study he claimed existed. After suing him, we received confirmation that no such study was ever conducted. The lack of liability and safety testing saves pharmaceutical companies significant costs, leading to a rush to add unnecessary vaccines to the schedule. This has resulted in a dramatic increase in chronic diseases among American children since 1989, including a rise in neurological disorders and autism, which has skyrocketed from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 34 today.

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It is claimed that ethical concerns prevent double-blind placebo trials for childhood vaccines already on the schedule that never underwent safety testing. The first step should be honesty about the clinical trial data underlying childhood vaccines. One proposed method involves comparing health outcomes of vaccinated versus unvaccinated individuals using existing datasets. If unvaccinated children are equally or less healthy than vaccinated children, this should be published to reassure parents. However, if vaccinated children are less healthy, the claim that these products cannot harm anyone should be reconsidered. It is asserted that comparative studies between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals have been conducted, but not published because they allegedly show that the unvaccinated are healthier. Publishing a study showing vaccinated individuals are healthier would have discredited Robert Kennedy Jr., but the fact that it wasn't published suggests a problem.

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Speaker 0 argues that the myth that vaccines are safe and necessary and that they eradicated childhood disease is false. He claims vaccines have never been tested for safety and that there are no placebo-controlled trials; in trials, the control group is given the immunogens that are in the vaccine, making the comparison deceptive. He emphasizes that vaccines typically contain a protein plus an accompanying substance—the adjuvant or immunogen—that stimulates an immune response, and that these adjuvants (such as aluminum or other substances) by themselves are dangerous. When the control group receives these adjuvants along with the experimental group, he says the side effects are similar, describing this as a “slight hand trick” and “extremely deceptive.” He notes that for the last forty years people have been shouting that there has not been a true placebo-controlled trial with saline. He then argues that if one looks at the history of all the childhood illnesses that vaccines target, they were almost all nearly eradicated before the introduction of the vaccine. He claims that the impression vaccines stop childhood illnesses is not true; almost all illnesses had reduced to extremely low levels due to sanitation and hygiene, development, and some antibiotics. Regarding the vaccines themselves, he states that the true data and history of these vaccines are “really horrible.” He mentions a history of lack of safety and relates it to sudden infant death syndrome, asserting that it “suddenly came out of nowhere as we suspended the schedule” and asks when death occurs. He asserts that sudden infant death syndrome is reproducible in that it occurs at two months, four months, and six months, and that most of those deaths occur within days to a couple of weeks of the vaccine. He concludes with a strong personal stance: if he had his young children today, he would not give them a single vaccine.

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The speaker asks if there has been a study comparing the health outcomes of children following the CDC vaccination schedule and those who are unvaccinated. The other speaker says they are not aware of such a study and suggests it may be considered bad malpractice not to vaccinate a child. They discuss the possibility of a retrospective study using the Vaccine Safety Datalink, but note the need to control for confounders. The speaker presents an exhibit showing higher rates of health conditions in vaccinated children and suggests the need for larger studies to confirm or refute these findings. The other speaker agrees.

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Robert Kennedy Jr. believes people should have true informed consent regarding vaccines, including known side effects and the limitations of safety trials. He claims that with each vaccine injection, individuals risk a multitude of potential side effects, and the cumulative effect of these risks from multiple vaccines has never been studied. He alleges that the NIH refuses to conduct a study comparing the health outcomes of fully vaccinated individuals versus unvaccinated individuals, despite having the data and resources to do so. He questions the motive behind this refusal, suggesting that the results would not support the current vaccine program. He implies that if vaccines demonstrably led to better health outcomes, that information would be widely publicized.

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Vaccine recommendations typically come from the Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices (an outside consulting committee at CDC) and VRBPAC (within FDA), which recommends vaccine licensure. These committees only adopted evidence-based medicine about twelve years ago. The speaker states that during their administration, they want safety studies prior to vaccine licensure and recommendation. They claim vaccines are exempt from pre-licensing safety testing, and the COVID vaccine was the only one tested in a full placebo trial. They assert that the other 76 shots children receive between birth and 18 have not been safety tested against a placebo, meaning the risk profile is not understood. The speaker intends to remedy this.

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The speaker claims that no double-blind, placebo-controlled safety trials have been conducted on any childhood vaccines currently on the market. The speaker states that they have searched for such trials and been unable to find any. According to the speaker, Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins allegedly admitted that placebo-controlled safety trials are not performed on childhood vaccines because it would be unethical to test products administered to children. The speaker challenges news agencies to provide evidence of a double-blind, placebo-controlled trial done prior to licensure for any childhood vaccine, asserting that it doesn't exist.

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None of the 72 vaccines for children have been tested against a placebo. The speaker sued HHS in 2016 to find placebo studies for vaccines, but none were found. The safety testing for the polio vaccine was only 48 hours, while the hepatitis b vaccines were tested for 4-5 days. This means that any adverse events occurring after that time period were not considered. Without placebo testing, the risk profile of current vaccines is unknown, and it cannot be determined if vaccines cause more harm than good. The speaker questions the ethics of mandating medical products with unknown risks for children.

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Five out of seven of the speaker's children have allergies, which they find surprising since they never knew anyone with a peanut allergy before. They claim that none of the 72 vaccines have ever been tested. In 2016, the speaker was asked by Donald Trump to serve on a vaccine state commission, where they questioned Dr. Fauci about the safety testing of vaccines. The speaker asked for evidence of one vaccine that had undergone safe testing, but Dr. Fauci was unable to provide it. The speaker and Aaron sued Dr. Fauci to obtain evidence of any safety testing done on vaccines, and after a year of resistance, they received a letter stating that no such studies exist.

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The speaker claims epidemiological studies are easily manipulated and that proper studies comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated groups are lacking, except for a CDC study in 1999. This CDC study, led by Thomas Verstraten, allegedly compared children who received the hepatitis vaccine within the first thirty days of life to those vaccinated later or not at all. The speaker asserts the study found a 1,135% elevated risk of autism in vaccinated children, which "shocked" researchers. The speaker alleges the CDC then kept the study secret and manipulated it through five iterations to bury the link.

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In 2016 and again in March 2017 at the White House, the speaker met with someone who considered forming a commission to investigate the potential negative effects of vaccines. This individual was being advised by Robert Kennedy, Jr., who claimed vaccines were causing harm. The speaker advised against this course of action, stating that it would be a mistake.

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Five out of seven of the speaker's children have allergies, and they question why this is the case when they never knew anyone with a peanut allergy before. They claim that none of the 72 vaccines have ever been tested. In 2016, the speaker was asked by Donald Trump to serve on a vaccine state commission, where they asked Dr. Fauci to show them one vaccine that had undergone a safety test. However, Dr. Fauci was unable to provide any evidence. The speaker and Aaron sued Dr. Fauci, demanding evidence of any safety testing done on vaccines, but after a year of stalling, they received a letter stating that no such studies exist.

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The speaker claims that no childhood vaccine has ever undergone a safety trial using a double-blind, placebo-based study. They assert that this type of study, involving a saline injection as a placebo, is the only way to determine the safety of a pharmaceutical product. Furthermore, the speaker states that there has never been a study comparing the health outcomes of children who receive the full schedule of 72 (or potentially up to 90) vaccines to those who receive none. Because of the lack of safety studies and comparative data, the speaker chooses not to inject themselves or their children with vaccines. They want evidence that vaccines are safe and make people healthier.

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Speaker 0 claimed that none of the 72 vaccines mandated for children has ever been safety tested in relicensing placebo-controlled trials. He said Fauci has been denying this for eight years and recounted a 2016 appointment by President Trump to run a vaccine safety commission, where he asked Fauci and Collins to meet with him with White House counsel. He stated that at that meeting Fauci said, “you say I’m lying,” and promised to send the study, but he never received it. He asserted that he sued Fauci and Aaron Siri, and after a year of stonewalling, government lawyers admitted on the courthouse steps that they never had any study, and provided a written acknowledgment. He pointed to a CHC website and his own website where the letter from HHS is posted. He claimed there is “no downstream liability” and “no front end safety testing,” which he said saves vaccine makers a quarter of a billion dollars. He further argued there is no marketing and advertising cost because the federal government orders 78,000,000 school kids to take that vaccine every year. He described a “gold rush” to add vaccines to the schedule, which he argued is unnecessary for most of them, and claimed many vaccines target diseases that are not even casually contagious. He contended that once a vaccine is on the recommended schedule, it becomes a billion-dollar-a-year business for the company. He asserted that NIH bears royalties in many cases. According to him, a set of vaccines expanded to 72 shots and 16 vaccines contributed to a dramatic increase in vaccine offerings. He linked this expansion to a broader push around vaccines, including the HPV vaccine. He also claimed that in 1989 there was an explosion of chronic disease in American children, including neurological diseases, ADD, ADHD, sleep disorders, language delays, ASD (autism), Tourette syndrome, tics, and narcolepsy. He stated that autism prevalence rose from one in ten thousand generations ago to one in thirty-four children today, citing CDC data. Overall, the summary repeats assertions about the lack of placebo-controlled safety testing, the admission of no study, financial and regulatory incentives to expand vaccine schedules, and a sharp rise in diagnosed neurological and developmental conditions beginning around 1989.

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Big problem with trusting the science is not the science part, it's who's behind the science part, primarily in the area of vaccines for children. Normally, when you study a drug, you compare it with a placebo, so that way you can truly test the side effects on something, but that is not how they test children's vaccines. This so called placebo control is not really a true placebo control because it's not inert. It's an active vaccine with something called an adjuvant. The big one that they've been using for a long time is aluminum. My question is, how can you really truly test the safety and effectiveness of something if you're looking at the relative safety of an active vaccine to another active vaccine with adjuvants. That just muddies the water to this whole safe and effective claim that you keep hearing over and over and over.

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The speaker discusses the issue of unvaccinated individuals and the lack of studies conducted by the government. They argue that giving the vaccine to everyone absolves the government of understanding its effects. However, they found studies in plain sight that compared vaccinated and unvaccinated children. Over 100 such studies are featured in the book, with very few coming from the federal government. The FDA claims it is not their job to conduct these studies, but the problem lies in the funding of studies by those who stand to profit from the products. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) should be evaluating the risks associated with vaccines, especially when given together, but they have been negligent in doing so. The speaker suggests that vaccines should undergo placebo-controlled trials like other drugs.

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"The myth of vaccines that, a, they are safe and, b, they are necessary and that they eradicated childhood disease, that is a myth." "They've never been tested for safety." "There are no placebo controlled trials." "They always put in the control group the immunogens that's in the vaccines." "That those adjuvants, whether it be aluminum or other substances, those by themselves are dangerous." "they refused to do a true placebo controlled trial like with saline." "they almost all were nearly eradicated before the introduction of the vaccine." "That is not true." "It's reproducible, occurs at two months, four months, and six months." "And most of those deaths are within either days to a couple of weeks of the vaccine."

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The speaker states they searched for years for a pre-licensing safety trial of the 72 vaccine doses effectively mandated for American children. They claim that every other medication requires a safety trial comparing health outcomes in a placebo group versus a vaccine group before FDA licensing. The speaker assumed this was also done for vaccines. They state they found out that vaccines were exempt from this requirement.

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I challenged the claim that I was dishonest about vaccine safety trials and asked for a single prelicensing placebo-controlled safety trial for any of the 72 vaccines required for American children. After searching, I was told they were in Bethesda, but I never received them. We then sued the HHS under the Freedom of Information Law. After a year, they confirmed they could not locate any prelicensing placebo-controlled safety trials for the mandated vaccines. These vaccines have zero liability. I am not anti-vaccine; I advocate for honesty and sound science. My efforts to remove mercury from fish were never labeled as anti-fish.

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I asked if they could provide a single prelicensing placebo-controlled safety trial for any of the 72 vaccines required for American children. After searching, they claimed the documents were in Bethesda, but I never received them. We then sued the HHS under the Freedom of Information Act. After a year, they acknowledged they could not locate any prelicensing safety trials for the mandated vaccines. These vaccines come with zero liability. I am not anti-vaccine; I believe in honesty and good science. I've spent 30 years advocating to remove mercury from fish, and no one ever labeled me as anti-fish.

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Speaker 1 states that no vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, have been properly tested. They claim that no childhood vaccine has undergone a placebo-controlled clinical trial of sufficient duration and power to assess its safety before being injected into millions of children in America. Speaker 1 asserts this is not an opinion, but can be verified by anyone reviewing package inserts and clinical trial documents on the FDA website.

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A law called Vika was passed in 1986, making it illegal to sue vaccine companies, regardless of recklessness or negligence. As a result, the number of mandated vaccines has increased from 3 to 79, none of which have been safety tested. The speaker claims that vaccines are exempt from pre-licensing safety testing, a claim that Anthony Fauci publicly denied. When President Trump appointed the speaker to run a vaccine safety commission, the speaker asked Fauci to provide safety studies on vaccines. Fauci claimed he left them in his office and never sent them. Subsequently, the speaker and Aaron Siri sued Fauci. After a year of stonewalling, HHS provided a letter stating that there has never been a pre-licensing safety study of any vaccine on the childhood schedule.

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Five out of seven of the speaker's children have allergies, which they find surprising since they never knew anyone with a peanut allergy before. They claim that none of the 72 vaccines have ever been tested. In 2016, the speaker was asked by Donald Trump to serve on a vaccine state commission, where they questioned Dr. Fauci about the safety testing of vaccines. The speaker asked for evidence of one vaccine that had undergone safe testing, but Dr. Fauci was unable to provide it. The speaker and Aaron sued Dr. Fauci to obtain studies on the re-licensing safety testing of vaccines, but after a year of stonewalling, they were informed that no such studies exist.

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For years, I claimed that none of the 72 vaccines mandated for children underwent safety testing in placebo-controlled trials. Despite Tony Fauci's denials, I challenged him to provide evidence. He admitted he didn't have it on hand and promised to send it, but I never received it. After suing him, his lawyers confirmed there was no such study. The lack of liability and safety testing allows pharmaceutical companies to profit significantly, as the government mandates vaccines for millions of children. This has led to a surge in unnecessary vaccines, contributing to a dramatic rise in chronic diseases among American children since 1989, including conditions like autism, which has increased from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 34.

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VACCINES: HONEST ANSWERS with Dr. Joel Warsh

Guests: Dr. Joel Gator Warsh

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The episode presents a wide‑ranging, data‑driven discussion about vaccines with Dr. Joel Warsh, a pediatrician and epidemiology trained clinician who authored a book aimed at balancing vaccine questions with evidence. The conversation centers on how vaccine safety is communicated, the medical community’s approach to risk, and why concerns persist among parents who notice rising autoimmune and allergic conditions, chronic illnesses, and debates over autism. Warsh stresses that vaccines are not anti‑vaccine; rather, the aim is open dialogue, rigorous safety review, and better public understanding of benefits versus harms. He notes that many questions get short shrift in public discourse, and he advocates transparency, nuance, and ongoing research rather than absolutist declarations about safety being “debunked.” The dialogue dives into core concepts of safety testing and trial design, explaining the difference between inert placebo controls and comparisons against other vaccines or existing vaccines. The guests discuss how safety signals are collected, the role of VAERS, and whether long‑term, large‑scale data can convincingly rule out rare adverse events. They debate the interpretation of data around autism, noting the scarcity of comprehensive, prospective studies across all vaccines beyond MMR and thimerosal and arguing that unanswered questions should prompt more research rather than definitive dismissals. A substantial portion is devoted to the ethical and societal questions of mandates, coercion, and herd immunity. The hosts explore how individual risk assessments intersect with the social contract to protect vulnerable populations, acknowledging that definitions of “safe” and “enough” vary widely. They discuss vaccine technologies—old versus new—and adjuvants, including aluminum and trace metals, as well as the development of mRNA vaccines, their testing history, and what “emergency use” really means. Throughout, the conversation emphasizes the importance of listening to skeptical voices, testing assumptions, and pursuing healthier, safer vaccines while avoiding vilification of dissenting views. The episode concludes with calls for more balanced media coverage and collaborative dialogue among scientists, clinicians, policymakers, and parents to restore trust and improve vaccine safety in practice.