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A guest-led discussion centers on a Minnesota situation where federal immigration enforcement is alleged to be expanding under a Trump-era framework, even as a new agency head signals a shift toward closer local cooperation and a potential reduction in activity. Speakers described a press conference by Homeman detailing attempts to obtain jail release data and coordinate with local officials for enhanced “public safety,” while simultaneously portraying a scenario where victims would not be contacted. They also noted a historical pattern of street-level sweeps that disproportionately affect people without criminal records, discussing how these actions are framed as targeted and safety-driven, even as the public narrative emphasizes policy leverage and deterrence. The conversation then traced a tactical retreat—an end-to-end repositioning described as a drawdown—that could reflect political calculations rather than a complete policy reversal. Emphasis was placed on who leads the effort and how internal dynamics within the administration influence public messaging and action. Attention was also given to the broader political theater, including the relationship between the White House, Congress, and state actors, and how immigration enforcement intersects with funding, optics, and upcoming electoral considerations. The hosts considered how changes in enforcement strategy could reshape the balance of power, regional political considerations, and the ability to maintain leverage over policy outcomes in a polarized environment.

Megyn Kelly opens the show discussing the Trump 2024 campaign, focusing on immigration and border security. She highlights that in the first week of Trump's presidency, ICE arrested over 4,000 illegal immigrants, emphasizing the operations' focus on public safety and national security threats. Tom Homan, former acting director of ICE, joins the discussion, confirming the arrests and explaining that they are targeting individuals with serious criminal records, including murder and sexual offenses. Homan notes that many of these individuals are in sanctuary cities, complicating enforcement efforts. Homan asserts that the Biden administration had previously restricted ICE's operations, but under Trump, they have been empowered to act. He mentions that over 600,000 illegal aliens with criminal convictions are currently in the U.S., and the operations will expand to include those who have been ordered removed by federal judges. Homan expresses confidence that as they widen their focus, they will be able to apprehend more individuals. Kelly cites polling data showing that a significant majority of Americans support deporting illegal immigrants with criminal records, including a high percentage of Democrats. Homan responds to criticisms from sanctuary city officials, asserting that their claims about ICE operations are false and that the agency is focused on protecting communities, not creating fear. The conversation shifts to the challenges of addressing the broader illegal immigrant population, with Homan discussing potential strategies, including worksite enforcement and messaging to encourage self-deportation. He emphasizes the need for comprehensive government collaboration to effectively manage immigration enforcement. Kelly and Homan also discuss the role of the military in border security, with Homan stating that the open southern border poses a national security risk. He highlights the involvement of various law enforcement agencies in operations to combat drug trafficking and human smuggling. The discussion concludes with Homan expressing his commitment to securing the border and saving lives, reiterating that a secure border is essential for national safety. Kelly praises Homan's efforts and the importance of his work in the current political climate.

Tucker Carlson interviews Tom Homan, who discusses his role in the Trump administration and the goals set for immigration policy. Homan outlines three main objectives: securing the border, conducting a large-scale deportation operation, and locating over 300,000 missing children trafficked into the U.S. He emphasizes the significant increase in illegal immigration under the Biden administration, estimating at least 12.5 million encounters at the border, including known "gotaways." Homan criticizes Biden for intentionally unsecuring the border, suggesting that the administration sees potential political benefits from new voters. He believes that the influx of illegal immigrants dilutes the political power of American citizens, particularly affecting Black communities who feel neglected in favor of undocumented migrants receiving government assistance. The conversation shifts to the role of cartels, which Homan describes as powerful organizations involved in drug trafficking and human trafficking, operating with military-grade weapons and control over parts of the U.S. He calls for the designation of these cartels as terrorist organizations and stresses the need for a strong response from the U.S. government. Homan also addresses the issue of missing children, asserting that many are victims of trafficking due to inadequate vetting processes for sponsors. He expresses concern over the lack of proper immigration enforcement and the overwhelming humanitarian crisis at the border, which he believes has led to increased violence and exploitation. The discussion includes the need for cooperation with Mexico and other countries to address the border crisis effectively. Homan advocates for reinstating the "Remain in Mexico" policy and emphasizes the importance of detaining individuals with final orders of removal. He concludes by expressing his commitment to saving lives and securing the border, motivated by personal experiences witnessing the tragedies of illegal immigration.

Steven Miller defends President Trump’s immigration policies in a tense press gaggle, asserting that border crossings are down 95% and ICE is locking up 800 criminals. He calls the opposing approach dangerous, urging deportation of those who lack lawful status and saying the administration will use the full force of the federal government to remove them. He portrays critics as undermining sovereignty, describes a war against what he calls an invasion, and rejects calls for broad Amnesty, insisting that illegal aliens should be deported swiftly and that the policy is rooted in law and national security rather than politics. On due process, Miller argues those who lose asylum cases have waited years in the system and are 'fully adjudicated,' while criticizing administrations that release migrants into a 'non-detained docket.' He cites cases of deported women, the question of 'anchor babies' and automatic citizenship, and says migrants will have access to counsel only 'under current laws and court rulings.' He dismisses suggestions of blanket amnesty and defends the idea that if you are not lawfully in the U.S., you should go home, and he mocks limits on enforcement as 'catch and release' rhetoric. He frames the political fight as a democracy battle, claiming a 'war on democracy' and denouncing district court judges who block enforcement. He touts public support for mass deportation in polls and promises more beds and funding for ICE, arguing that the plan to deter illegal immigration will save money, noting estimates that a family can cost the state over a million dollars over a lifetime. He reiterates that the president will continue expanding deportations, with fines for those who stay and asset forfeiture where appropriate, insisting there is no room for tolerance toward illegal entry.

Tom Homan, former acting director of ICE and a veteran of over 40 years in law enforcement, discusses his journey from a small town in New York to overseeing U.S. immigration policy during the Trump administration. He emphasizes the importance of border security and the challenges faced under the Biden administration, which he believes has intentionally weakened border protections, leading to increased crime, drug trafficking, and human suffering. Homan recounts his childhood in a patriotic community and his early desire to serve in law enforcement, which led him to join the Border Patrol in 1984. He highlights the significant changes in immigration enforcement and border security during his tenure, particularly the implementation of policies like the "Remain in Mexico" program and the end of catch and release, which he credits for achieving the most secure border in U.S. history. He expresses frustration over the current administration's handling of border security, citing the rise in illegal crossings, drug overdoses, and human trafficking. Homan shares harrowing experiences from his career, including encounters with victims of cartel violence and the tragic deaths of migrants, which have fueled his commitment to border security. Homan criticizes sanctuary cities for obstructing immigration enforcement and argues that they endanger public safety. He believes that the Biden administration's policies have led to a humanitarian crisis, with hundreds of thousands of children going missing and being exploited by cartels. He stresses the need for a comprehensive approach to immigration that prioritizes public safety and national security. He also discusses the role of technology and military support in enhancing border security, mentioning the importance of collaboration between various law enforcement agencies. Homan advocates for a strong response to cartel violence and emphasizes the need for the U.S. to take a more proactive stance in combating organized crime. Throughout the interview, Homan underscores the dedication and sacrifices of Border Patrol and ICE agents, who he believes are often vilified by the media and political figures. He calls for recognition of their efforts and stresses that securing the border is essential for saving lives and protecting communities. Homan concludes by expressing hope for the future of U.S. immigration policy under a leadership that prioritizes safety and security.

Megyn Kelly opens the show with the shocking news of Pope Francis's death at age 88, following a long battle with health issues, including double pneumonia. Cardinal Kevin Frell announced the news, stating that the bishop of Rome had returned to the house of the father. Although the official cause of death has not been released, Pope Francis had been hospitalized for respiratory issues for over a month. His last public appearance was on Easter Sunday, where he greeted Vice President JD Vance. Pope Francis, elected in March 2013, was the first pope from Latin America and brought a progressive energy to the Catholic Church. He focused on global issues like climate change and poverty, while maintaining traditional stances on matters such as celibacy and abortion. His views on immigration often clashed with conservative perspectives, particularly during the Trump administration, where he criticized policies that prioritized building walls over bridges. In a letter to U.S. bishops, he expressed concern over mass deportations, highlighting the dignity of vulnerable families. Kelly reflects on the complexities of the Catholic Church's political involvement and the challenges faced by Pope Francis, emphasizing the tug-of-war between his messaging and the beliefs of conservative Catholics. Following his death, a public viewing is expected, leading to a conclave to elect his successor, which typically occurs 15 to 20 days after a pope's passing. The discussion shifts to illegal immigration, with Kelly expressing frustration over the Trump administration's struggles to deport undocumented immigrants. Recent polls indicate that a majority of Americans now support deporting all illegal immigrants, a significant increase from previous years. Kelly cites estimates suggesting there may be as many as 18 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S., complicating the deportation efforts. Kevin O'Leary joins the conversation, discussing the political implications of immigration policy and the challenges faced by the Trump administration. He notes that many illegal immigrants contribute to small businesses, raising questions about potential pathways to legal residency for those without criminal records. The conversation highlights the complexities of immigration reform and the political landscape surrounding it. The show then transitions to a discussion with David Zweig, author of *An Abundance of Caution*, who critiques the decision-making processes behind school closures during the COVID-19 pandemic. Zweig argues that the closures disproportionately harmed children, particularly those from lower socioeconomic backgrounds. He emphasizes the need for accountability and a historical record of the decisions made during the pandemic, pointing out the failures of public health officials and the media in addressing the needs of children. Zweig discusses the flawed models used to justify school closures and the lack of skepticism from the media, which failed to question the narratives presented by health authorities. He highlights the importance of evidence-based decision-making and the consequences of ignoring data, particularly regarding the impact on children's education and well-being. The conversation concludes with a reflection on the broader implications of the pandemic response, emphasizing the need for critical thinking and accountability in public health policy.