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Jordan Peterson announces his 2024 tour, promoting his upcoming book "We Who Wrestle with God." He discusses the themes of postmodernism, emphasizing that it often projects power dynamics onto narratives, suggesting that all stories are fundamentally about victimization and oppression. In conversation with Ben Shapiro, they explore the counter-Enlightenment, arguing that empiricism and rationality alone cannot orient us in the world; instead, narratives shaped by values are essential. Peterson posits that stories prioritize facts and values, making them central to human understanding. Shapiro agrees, noting that values frame our interpretation of data, and stories inherently convey these values. They discuss the implications of large language models, suggesting that AI can validate the symbolic meanings of narratives, countering the notion that interpretations are arbitrary. They critique postmodernism's victim-victimizer narrative, which they argue has evolved from Marxism into a more complex intersectional framework. Peterson highlights that while Marxism focused on economic oppression, postmodernism has broadened this to include various identities, often neglecting economic factors. They assert that the victim-victimizer narrative is a misreading of biblical stories, which instead emphasize moral agency and the potential for redemption. The conversation shifts to the role of elders in society, emphasizing their wisdom and the importance of intergenerational transmission of knowledge. They argue that modern society's neglect of this wisdom has led to fragmentation and a loss of shared values. Peterson and Shapiro contend that true societal change must come from the ground up, through personal responsibility and community building, rather than top-down political solutions. They express concern over the current political climate, where meaningful dialogue is stifled by fear of backlash and a lack of common ground. They advocate for returning to smaller, community-based discussions to foster understanding and rebuild societal fabric. The conversation concludes with a call to recognize the importance of individual actions and familial responsibilities in shaping a better future.

Global outrage erupts as a UN-backed panel concludes that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, a claim debated amid a flood of tactics and counterarguments. The hosts note that Israeli responses, they claim, rely on propaganda and even chat GPT to shape messaging, rather than engaging with the evidence. From Gaza City, reporters describe the destruction of iconic high-rise buildings, the proximity to the beach, and minutes-long evacuation warnings that force families to grab mattresses, blankets, and what they can carry before buildings collapse. They describe militants' use of unexploded ordnance. The aim is to render Gaza City uninhabitable, and the belief that Israel seeks to push Palestinians south or out of the region. The discussion covers displacement, the difficulty of finding host countries for millions of Palestinians, and talk of a flotilla and the port of Genoa being shut to impede humanitarian aid, despite international law concerns. Beyond battlefield details, they stress civil discourse across divides, arguing that sitting with those who disagree is essential.