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This conversation centers on Israel, lobbying, and US policy. Speaker 0 says he’s been very pro Israel and defender of its right to defend itself, but has 'no skin whatsoever in defending any lobbyist group,' and has declined repeated invitations to go to Israel. He notes mounting pressure to stay aligned and that he’s not on Hamas’ side, though his views have shifted since 10/08/23. Speaker 1 explains APAC is 'not registered under FARA' and describes freshman trips to Israel, meetings with government members. He notes that '3.8, billion dollars in funding for Israel' is an annual decision, that Israel is 'less than 400,000,000,000 in debt,' and that Israelis have 'government funded health care' and 'government funded college.' He questions why the US funds this given its own economic strain, citing that 'we buy money from your defense contractors' and that Israel can buy from Israeli defense contractors.

The Israeli economy is reportedly in bad shape, with money leaving the country, decreased foreign investment, over 40,000 businesses closed, and one of the four major ports in Israel going bankrupt. Imports and exports have also decreased by almost 35% in the last year. Israel is surviving because the United States is a guarantor of Israeli debt. In the last thirteen months, there has been a 300 to 400% increase in the amount of debt Israel has issued, backed by the United States. This backing allows Israel to be isolated by the world, hurt themselves economically, overextend and exhaust their military, and cause political chaos because the United States will continue to back them financially.

Speaker 0: Were I a Jew, I would be a Zionist. And my father pointed out to me, I did not need to be a Jew to be a Zionist, for I am. Israel is essential to security of Jews worldwide. Speaker 1: That this is not theoretical. This is not just about things that happen on Twitter. Antisemitism kills. Hate kills. Speaker 2: I come before you not only as The United States Secretary of State, but also as a Jew. My grandfather, Maurice Blinken, fled pogroms in Russia. My stepfather, Samuel Pizar, survived concentration camps, Auschwitz, Dachau, Maidanic. Speaker 3: We have a common agenda to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons and preventing Iran's aggression, maintaining the security and prosperity of this region, and seeking to expand the circle of peace. Speaker 4: On October 7, Hamas terrorists murdered nearly 1,200 people, including over 40 Americans, and kidnapped hundreds of civilians. They perpetrated the deadliest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. Speaker 5: Holocaust. Holocaust. My grandfather fled Nazi Germany. Fled Nazi Germany. If we wanna create peace in the Middle East, resolve the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, we don't need boycotts. We need business. We don't need divestment. We need investment. We don't need sanctions. We need startups. We need startups. They met with several Israeli companies looking to expand into The United States. Speaker 1: Actual, literal, no shit, Jews will not replace us anti Semites as very fine people. Speaker 6: I support Israel's ability to defend itself. Speaker 7: It's about time we stop those of us who support as most of us do, Israel and this body for apologizing for our support for Israel. There's no apology to be made. None. It is the best $3,000,000,000 investment we make. $3,000,000,000 investment we make. Speaker 8: two of us were brought together by Apex Education Foundation for a mission to Israel. We hear the call of our Jewish brothers and sisters. Israel was this place I had always felt an, I don't know, unexplainable pull. Speaker 5: And the Jewish people have been the recipients of boycotts for hundreds, if not thousands of years. Speaker 6: So I just had a frank and constructive meeting with prime minister Netanyahu. I told him that I will always ensure that Israel is able to defend itself, including from Iran and Iran backed militias such as Hamas and Hezbollah. Speaker 3: Israelis do not need to be lectured about the importance of peace by foreign leaders. Speaker 9: Why does Israel need our help? We need to get out of their way. Speaker 6: I've said it many times, but it bears repeating. Israel has a right to defend itself. Speaker 2: The message that I bring to Israel is this. You may be strong enough on your own to defend yourself, but as long as America exists, you will never ever have to. We will always be there by your side. Speaker 1: He is a friend of the Jewish people by aligning not even with Israel, but with a certain kind of politics within Israel. And I just think that the American Jewish community are a lot smarter than that. Speaker 7: And even suggested breaking from the long standing US policies on settlements. Jerusalem. Jerusalem. Speaker 9: I was one of the few in congress that said it's none of our business, and Israel should take care of themselves. Speaker 8: Perhaps he does not know that I am the child of a holocaust survivor. Perhaps he does not know that my mother lost almost all her family at the hands of the Nazis. At the hands of the Nazis. Speaker 9: Israel has 200, 300 nuclear missiles, they can take care of themselves. Why should we commit? We don't even have a treaty with Israel. We don't even have a treaty with Israel. Speaker 7: Were there not an Israel, The United States Of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interest in the region. Speaker 9: Why why do we have this automatic commitment that we're gonna send our kids and send our money endlessly, to to Israel?

The speaker expresses shock at a graph comparing the money supply of the U.S. (red) and Israel (blue) over the past seven years, then over a broader period. The speaker claims Israel has printed so much money that it is now worthless, yet their economy is fine. The speaker suggests this is the reason Israel has to start bombing and killing people.

“If their government came out and said, we have a five year plan to decouple from USAID, would that help people's view of Israel if they said, hey, we want to be self reliant? Absolutely.” “We're now gonna decouple over the next five years and and basically transition.” “319,000,000,000 being sent to Israel over all these years, that's comparable to the amount we've sent to Ukraine.” “I believe Israel has a right to exist. I believe that they are the only state in that region with the right to exist.” “But why are we treating them differently than any other ally? Should we not be judging them, holding them to the same standard?” “Do you find it persuasive when the Israeli tourism board is bragging about how many gay pride parades they have in Tel Aviv?” “No.”

So right now, as we speak tonight, there are two THAAD missile batteries in Israel. That's one quarter of the world's total supply of THAAD missile batteries. They are American military personnel, and they are manning these batteries to protect Israel. And that shouldn't surprise you because since 10/07/2023, which is a little less than two years ago, The United States has spent at minimum $30,000,000,000 defending Israel. Israel is by far, no one comes close, the largest recipient of USAID over time and currently. They don't know how disproportionate our attention to Israel and our spending on Israel is relative to the rest of the world.

"it's not antisemitic to talk about this, and it's not antisemitic to question any foreign country's government secular government, including Israel." "We fund a lot of other countries' borders better than we fund our own." "it's over $800,000,000,000,000, actually, close to 900,000,000,000,000 is the total bill." "the 500,000,000 for Israel." "They already received $3,400,000,000 annually every single year through the State Department." "Taiwan for 500,000,000 and for Jordan for 500,000,000 as well." "There's 15,000,000 in there for AIDS prevention education activities." "America's broke. We're $37,000,000,000,000 in debt." "we just can't pay for the world anymore." "Not being an isolationist. That's actually being smart and serving the people that that pay for all of this stuff and have been chained into 37,000,000,000,000 in debt." "And that's not being mean to foreign people and foreign countries, but America's broke."

So right now, as we speak tonight, there are two THAAD missile batteries in Israel. That's one quarter of the world's total supply of THAAD missile batteries. The THAAD missile battery is an American made, very high-tech missile battery that takes incoming missiles out of the sky. And one quarter of the world's entire supply of these is in Israel right now manned by US troops, by Americans in uniform or not. Since 10/07/2023, which is a little less than two years ago, The United States has spent at minimum $30,000,000,000 defending Israel. So anyone who says, oh, it's just a drop in the bucket. It's totally insignificant is lying or doesn't know the numbers. We are spending our time, our money, and we're taking enormous risks on behalf of a country that geopolitically is not significant at all.

The speaker believes that the process of Israel's dissolution has already occurred. They mention a company registered in London with the name "State of Israel" and its correspondence address in the UK. The Knesset is identified as the beneficial owner of this company. The speaker claims that Israel's sovereignty has been taken away and it is now part of the collapsing Western Central Bank system. They connect this to the launch of hostilities in Gaza, where the Israeli Defense Force is preparing for a ground invasion. The speaker mentions that this provokes a larger response from Arab nations and Iranian interest groups. They also mention Israeli strikes in Lebanon and Syria. Turkish President Erdogan calls for the creation of an independent Palestinian state.

Speaker 0 argues that "Israel's our greatest ally. We should never ask anything of them." They echo: "Protecting Israel's most important thing. They're our only real ally." They question, "If they're our only real ally, why does Israel have a long history of transferring military technology, including American military technology to China? To China?" and ask, "Why is China running the Port Of Haifa, Israel's biggest port?" They claim "From Israel's perspective, we're not a close ally" and "The loyalty is not requited. It's one way." They say Netanyahu "has pushed it too far" and that "the governor of Israel, in particular, the prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, has pushed it too far." They add "I control Donald Trump. I control the United States Congress. I control The United States." They cite Trump on West Bank annexation: "No. I will not allow it. It's not gonna happen." and "I will not allow Israel to annex the West Bank." The speaker concludes "It's been enough. It's time to stop" and that "This is why Donald Trump has lost support over this Israel question."

The U.S. has contributed more to Israel's defense budget than Israel itself in the last three years. This year, the U.S. gave nearly $3.1 billion to Israel, making it the top recipient of American foreign aid. This occurs while many Americans struggle with finances, senior citizens can't afford medications, veterans are underserved, and schools are closing. Israel ranks among the top 30 richest countries, yet receives a large lump sum of aid upfront, allowing it to accumulate interest while the U.S. pays interest on the borrowed money. Additionally, the U.S. gives billions to Egypt and Jordan to discourage them from opposing Israeli policies, adding to the financial burden. With presidential elections approaching and promises to cut spending to address the $16 trillion debt, some argue the U.S. should prioritize its own needs.

Speaker argues the United States is Israel's last large ally besides the UK, with a large cost and limited perspective due to lies from the political class and media. They blame U.S. elected leaders for decades of misrepresentation. Citing Nikki Haley's 2023 Republican primary debate, the quote: "Last thing we need to do is to tell Israel what to do. The only thing we should be doing is supporting them and eliminating Hamas. It is not that Israel needs America. America needs Israel." The speaker contends this is inverted: "Israel could not survive without The United States." American backing funds Israeli wars and social services; "every dollar that goes to the Israeli military from The United States is a dollar that the nation of Israel can spend on its own people." Haley wasn't asked to explain, and questioning geopolitics is feared as antisemitic, leading to "a state of perpetual intimidation" and "We have not had an honest conversation about this ever."

"In the past three years, Americans have paid more for Israel's defense budget than Israelis themselves, according to the Israeli army's former chief of staff." "The United States gave nearly $3,100,000,000 to Israel this year, making it the number one contributor of American foreign aid." "And yet during this time, we're giving a huge amount of money to Israel." "Israel ranks among the top 30 richest countries in the world, while some of the poorest countries only see a fraction of that amount in USAID." "According to the Congressional Research Center, once dispersed, Israel's military aid is transferred to an interest bearing account with the Federal Reserve Bank." "This means Americans are paying interest on the billions of dollars given to Israel, while Israel accumulates interest on those same billions."

Joe Biden has received the most money from Israel in US history, both as a senator and during his presidential campaign in 2020. As a senator, he received over $4 million, and as a presidential candidate, he received almost $4 million. Another speaker believes that the $3 billion investment the US makes in Israel is justified and necessary for protecting American interests in the region.

Israel is facing deep trouble with no way out. They couldn't defeat Hamas in Gaza, are stuck there, and lack a military solution against Hezbollah. A war with Iran won't solve their problems. Internal issues, like reservists' misconduct, could lead to civil war. Israel heavily relies on the US for support, receiving $18 billion in 2024.

The discussion centers on how politicization of intelligence has manifested in different eras, comparing past and present administrations. Speaker 0 asks whether the politicized weapons claims about Iraq and the CIA’s statements in the 1990s can be compared to today’s politicization of intelligence under John Ratcliffe and Tulsi Gabbard as head of DNI, arguing it is much worse now because of the mediocrity of those in control of key agencies. Speaker 1 counters by recalling the 1980s, noting that there was significant politicization of the Soviet threat to justify Reagan’s defense buildup, and adds that this is why he testified against Robert Gates in 1991. He asserts that politicization is bad, and insists that the current situation is worse than in the past. Speaker 1 explains: “It’s Because I look at the people who are ahead of these groups. Come on. Let’s be serious.” He targets the leadership of the director of national intelligence, the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and the CIA, saying, “Have you ever seen a cabinet in The United States of such mediocrity, of such venality?” He emphasizes his background, stating, “I haven’t,” and that nothing compares to what is going on now, warning that “a lot of damage is being done to The United States and to the constitution of The United States and to the importance of separation of powers and the importance of rule of law and the importance of checks and balances. This is very serious stuff.” Speaker 0 attempts to steer toward historical figures like Robert Maxwell, but Speaker 1 dismisses that concern as off point, insisting he is making a point about Israel. The exchange then shifts to U.S. support for Israel, with Speaker 1 asserting that “Israel gets what it wants from The United States. It gets it from democratic presidents and from republican presidents.” He also criticizes Barack Obama for signing what he calls “that ten year $40,000,000,000 arms aid agreement,” arguing that Obama “never should have signed” it “because they treated Obama so shabbily in the first place.”

Speaker 0 argues that “they’re making hundreds of billions of dollars a year more,” and that this funding emboldens them to give their proxies “weapons, money, and the vigor to attack the Jewish state,” which he says is unacceptable in the international community. He sets the stage for a connection between large flows of money and aggressive action by those proxies. Speaker 1 responds by asserting that “the only reason that Hamas attacked Israel, the only reason they’ll able to is because of increased Iranian funding,” and adds that Hamas is funded “in part” by Iran but that Hamas also receives funding from various other sources. He names possible funders such as Iran and Qatar and questions who funds Iran, suggesting multiple sponsors. Speaker 0 presses the point with a direct question, “Who funds Iran?” prompting Speaker 1 to identify Qatar as a potential funder. Speaker 0 repeats and confirms, expressing uncertainty about specifics by saying, “Buffans? Okay. Who from Hamasi? Of course they do. Right?” Speaker 1 continues with uncertainty, noting that “they were transferring a whole lot of money to the Gaza Strip” and references the Gaza funding issue as a major scandal associated with Netanyahu, described as “one of the big scandals that Netanyahu was involved in,” tied to letting that money pass through to the Gaza Strip, though he adds “I don’t know this is supervision.” In the dialogue’s core, Speaker 0 posits a logical implication: “If Iran gets more money, that’s good for Hamas. Right? You agree on that? Come on.” Speaker 1 responds with a cautious “Broadly speaking,” and Speaker 0 presses further, urging Speaker 1 to concede one point, addressing him by name, Steven. Overall, the exchange centers on the linkage between international funding, particularly Iranian and Gulf-state money, to Hamas and its activities, with attention to the claim that large monetary flows empower proxies to threaten Israel, and with references to past allegations about the transfer of funds to Gaza and the political fallout surrounding those funds.

Israel's economy is in bad shape. We're seeing money leaving the country, a drop in foreign investment, businesses closing, and major ports facing bankruptcy. Imports and exports have decreased significantly in the last year. Despite these perilous economic indicators, Israel is surviving because the United States guarantees its debt. This backing has allowed Israel to increase its bond issuance substantially. Even with economic, military, and political instability, investors are buying these bonds because the US essentially cosigns them. This financial guarantee enables Israel to persist despite international isolation, economic self-harm, military overextension, and political chaos. The US backing is the key to understanding Israel's current actions.

Israel's massive money printing funds a military that outspends all others per resident. This money is used to buy technology and resources, but other countries holding Israeli shekels cannot easily use them. They cannot exchange them for dollars or gold, or use them to buy land in Israel. Iran is a target because it lacks a central bank and possesses the world's second-largest natural gas and crude oil reserves, and has recently achieved a milestone in rare earth element production. The speaker claims that due to money printing, GMOs, and variable interest rates, a million dollars from 1980 would be worth only 50 cents today. Artificially modified food and high compound interest rates further erode wealth.

Speaker 0: Do we need this connection with Israel? What is it? No one ever explains what it's for. I feel like. Right? That would help everybody have a much better understanding, you know, because it starts to feel like America is just a shell company, an LLC for Israel. That's what it starts to feel like a lot of times, you know? Do you feel like that that's realistic, or do you feel like that that's off base? Speaker 1: I would I wouldn't send them a dime. Like, that's my position. I don't think whatever we're getting isn't worth it.

The speaker asks how much support the U.S. gives to Israel. The response is approximately $3 billion a year in military assistance. It is asserted that this military assistance is the only assistance Israel receives from the U.S. There is a memorandum of understanding (MOU) for the $3 billion annual amount.

The video argues that Israel is effectively ruling the American government, presenting a connected web of history, money, politics, religion, and power to explain the relationship. It starts with the numbers: since World War II, the United States has given over $260,000,000,000 in aid to Israel, more than to any other country in the world. This aid is a pipeline of US taxpayer money into Israel’s military machine, totaling $3,800,000,000 each year (about $10,000,000 every day), funding fighter jets, bombs, tanks, and missile defense systems like the Iron Dome. The 2016 initiative under President Obama was a $38,000,000,000 package over ten years, guaranteed regardless of who sits in the White House, ensuring Israel’s access to next-generation military hardware while Americans debate domestic needs. A significant portion of this aid is required by law to be spent on American defense contractors such as Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and Raytheon, meaning Israel gets the weapons while U.S. taxpayers foot the bill. The F-35 stealth fighter jet, costing around $80,000,000 each, has been supplied to Israel, alongside the Iron Dome, which has received over $2,600,000,000 in US funding since 2000. Critics note this funding could have supported US infrastructure repair, which is described as costing trillions of dollars to fix. The video contrasts this with domestic needs, citing half a million Americans homeless and tens of millions without health insurance. The narrative expands to the political ecosystem: APAC (the American Israel Public Affairs Committee) is described as one of the most powerful foreign policy lobby groups in Washington, with annual conferences drawing thousands and presidents pledging loyalty on stage. In the 2022 midterms, pro-Israel groups allegedly poured over $30,000,000 into campaigns; APAC’s United Democracy Project is said to have spent millions to defeat candidates who criticized unconditional US support for Israel. It cites examples like Donna Edwards and Andy Levin as Democrats targeted for questioning U.S. policy toward Israel. The video asserts that the message is: step out of line, and you’re gone. Other organizations are named as part of the broader lobby, including Christians United for Israel led by John Hagee, and the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), with various PACs purportedly funneling millions into local elections. Together, these groups are characterized as shaping U.S. foreign policy more than think tanks, business lobbies, or grassroots movements, forming what scholars John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt have called the Israel lobby, which also influences media and academia through outlets and think tanks that frame Israel as America’s indispensable ally. A narrative layer is described: Israel is marketed as the only democracy in the Middle East, while Palestinians are often erased or portrayed as aggressors. The video notes presidential consistency from Reagan to Trump, and from Clinton to Biden, with the refrain that America stands with Israel. Religion compounds influence, with evangelical groups viewing Israel’s survival as biblical prophecy, and the 2018 move of the US embassy to Jerusalem is framed as a concession to evangelical voters. The implications are political: the contradiction of US defending democracy while backing a system described as apartheid and ongoing bombings. The video asks who is ruling whom, suggesting blind support fuels anti-American sentiment globally, and that the question extends beyond Palestine to America’s own future. It ends by questioning whose interests Washington is really serving—its people or someone else.