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Host: Epstein is Pizzagate. Ten years ago, Pizzagate was the top Twitter trend, with the claim that pedophile elites preyed on children deemed insane by many. I was the first mainstream reporter to dare present the facts around Pizzagate; my corporate career was destroyed, and others who suggested it were blacklisted or shadow banned. But just days ago, the largest dump of Epstein files revealed what some of us have been telling you for a decade: Pizzagate is real. Not that there’s a pizza parlor at the center of a child trafficking ring, but that child trafficking rings run by powerful people do exist. Tonight, I want to remind you of what I told you then and compare it to what we have learned.
Guest: Pizzagate became a major story when an armed man went to a DC-area pizza place to investigate for himself, firing a rifle at the floor. The media labeled the entire story a hoax or fake news. I spent the last month investigating. So what exactly is Pizzagate? The story known as Pizzagate did not begin with a rumor, nor was it created by Macedonian sheep farmers as CNN claimed. It began with WikiLeaks, authentic verified emails from John Podesta, the chairman of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. Those emails were real, and within them were communications that researchers and former law enforcement found unusual. A group of self-proclaimed pedophiles on 4chan and 8chan claimed Podesta was using their coded language. An urban dictionary entry from 2010 confirms that “cheese pizza” is a commonly coded term for child pornography.
Host: I want you to see these images. The triangle in the Besta Pizza logo was linked to a “boy lover” image, and Besta Pizza changed its logo after Pizzagate investigators pointed it out, removing the triangle.
Guest: Ten years ago I was dismissed as a dangerous conspiracy theorist for suggesting pedophiles and possibly elite pedophiles might use coded language, even though online pedophiles themselves acknowledged it. The new Epstein release mentions the word “pizza” 911 times in emails, often paired with “grape soda.” Examples include: “Well, this is better than a Chinese cookie. Let’s go for pizza and grape soda again.” “Mister Epstein would like to see the menu from the pizza place. Could you someone send it, please?” and a 2014 note: “Are you sitting? Jeffrey says he wants to go out to a pizza place with you.” The emails range around 2014, similar to the Podesta emails published by WikiLeaks, which started the Pizzagate saga.
Host: There was talk about the Podesta brothers; John Podesta’s email showed a close relationship with Dennis Hastert, who was sentenced to fifteen months for abusing boys. An email from John Podesta to his brother Tony, “last night was fun,” begins with “still in torture chamber.” A 2009 Epstein email asking “where are you? You okay? I love the torture video” gained attention.
Guest: The Epstein files show communications between elites—from a co-owner of an NFL team to billionaires like Elon Musk—described in coverage as a closer look at connections from Hollywood to Washington and beyond. CNN and other outlets allegedly suppressed discussion for a decade, conditioning the public to ignore the topic. There has been no public investigation by local police, the FBI, or others, raising the question of why no investigation has taken place. This is presented as evidence that the establishment protected and sustained this evil by avoiding honest engagement in 2016, choosing mockery over investigation, thereby creating the environment in which the mystery could thrive. Epstein is Pizzagate, and Pizzagate is bigger than Jeffrey Epstein alone.