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Speaker notes that there is fear people want Trump to have done something gross with women, but 'I really don't believe wanna be clear. I do not believe that. Yeah. Not covering for Trump. I just don't think that's true.' They insist there is no indication, saying they've spoken to people 'close to Epstein, very close to Epstein, who've told me off camera, in private, no, it's not. Trump never did that shit.' The speaker adds, 'So I don't think it's about that.' They question why 'no one talking to Les Wexner?' and end with 'And' (truncated). The focus remains unclear.

I did not like Jeffrey Epstein and never wanted anything to do with him. While others associated with him, went to his island and other places, I never did. I have good taste. James Patterson, a member of Mar-a-Lago, confirmed that I threw Epstein out many years ago. I am not a fan of him. Also, those who came into the country illegally must be deported.

Speaker 0 says that more than a decade ago, President Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago and was one of the few prominent people reportedly willing to help law enforcement go after Epstein, who is described as a disgusting child abuser and sex trafficker. They say this is common knowledge.

Speaker addresses rumors that 'Trump did something gross with women' and says, 'I I really don't believe wanna be clear. I do not believe that. Yeah. Not covering for Trump. I just don't think that's true.' They assert they've seen no indication of it and have spoken to people, 'to be totally honest with you, close to Epstein, very close to Epstein, who've told me off camera, in private, no, it's not. Trump never did that shit.' The remarks emphasize that the issue isn't about that alleged conduct. The speaker then questions, 'But why is no one talking to Les Wexner?'

Speaker 1 says that the real information about the Epstein files has not come out and that “there were only four Republicans, four of us that’s really fought to get them released,” who “signed the discharge petition, went against the White House,” and were “threatened,” with Donald Trump calling him a traitor and saying his friends would be hurt. He questions why anyone would vote for Republicans if the administration doesn’t release all the information, framing it as a line in the sand for many people. Speaker 0 asks why they think the Epstein files are being hidden. Speaker 1 responds that it’s because the hidden information would protect “some of the most rich, powerful people,” arguing that Epstein was “definitely some sort of part of the intelligence state” who was “working with Israel” and with the “former prime minister of Israel.” He asserts that these are “the dirty parts of government and the powers that be that they don’t want the American people to know about.” He concludes that, sadly, he doesn’t think the files will come out. Speaker 0 presses on whether Trump is in the Epstein files. Speaker 1 speculates that if someone is “living under blackmail” or “living under threat” and told not to release information, that fear could influence actions. He suggests that someone might be warned by threats to prevent disclosure, giving a hypothetical example: after standing on a rally stage, you could be shot in the ear and warned that “next time we won’t miss,” or that the bullet might be for someone you care about. He says he is “speculating,” but notes he has “a strong enough reason to speculate like that.”

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss whether arrests will occur under Trump and how they might be framed. - Speaker 0 asks if arrests will happen under Trump and if figures like Bill Clinton or Obama will be arrested, suggesting that any arrests might be part of “dark handing the keys off to the light” and that the deep state would sacrifice some players. - Speaker 1 responds by outlining alleged close connections: Trump was one of Epstein’s closest friends; Howard Letnick was Epstein’s neighbor; the first lady was Epstein’s girlfriend. He argues that Epstein’s relationship to Israel and the Mossad, and the president’s loyalty to Israel, are significant, and contends that many would say this loyalty goes beyond the United States. He adds a dismissive remark that the other speaker is “smoking dope.” - Speaker 0 contends there will be arrests but believes they will be for optics to bolster support for Trump, implying the releases would be to energize followers and that “deep state players” will be sacrificed. - Speaker 1 refers to certain individuals as “chew toys,” naming Fauci and Gates, suggesting they are used as targets or distractions. He reiterates skepticism that any arrests have occurred so far, noting that Trump has been in power for a year and there hasn’t been an arrest. - The conversation touches on the speed of data-center-related actions and mentions “Stargate” as part of what Trump did, implying rapid actions or moves on day one.

The speaker asserts that the effort to release the Epstein files came directly from President Trump. They acknowledge that many people may have a hard time with this claim, but state that it is the truth. The speaker also says that Trump fought the hardest to stop these files from being released.

The speaker states he doesn't understand why his supporters are interested in the Jeffrey Epstein story, as Epstein has been dead for a long time and was never a big factor in his life. He claims he doesn't understand the interest or fascination, especially since credible information has been given. He compares the situation to the "Mueller witch hunt" and the "steel dossier," which he claims was all fake. He finds the Epstein case boring and doesn't understand why it continues to be discussed. He suggests that only "pretty bad people, including fake news" want to keep the story alive, but says that if there is credible information, "let them have it."

Speaker 0: "I don't understand why it's a hostile act. I talked to president Clinton... I'm sorry, president, Trump back in 2009 and several times after that. He didn't think that it was a hoax then. In fact, he helped me. He got on the phone. He told me things that were helping our investigation." Speaker 1: "The only thing... Trump is the only person who, in 02/2009, picked up the phone and said, let's just talk. I'll give you as much time as you want. I'll tell you what you need to know and was very helpful in the information that he gave and gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever, but had good information that checked out and that helped us. And then we didn't have to take a deposition of him." "So Do you know if there's any truth to James Patterson's claims that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar A Lago?" Speaker 0: "I've definitely heard that." Speaker 2: "Epstein was inappropriate with the member's daughter. I went to mister Trump and he threw him right out." Speaker 3: "So it's your understanding then that president Trump didn't know what Jeffrey Epstein was up to?" Speaker 0: "That is correct." Speaker 2: "Epstein liked stars... He loaned Clinton his plane at least on four occasions and it was, it had to do with the foundation." Speaker 4: "The pilot said Trump was on the plane; it was actually a trip from Mar A Lago to New York, not to the island." Speaker 0: "And our investigation wasn't looking into him, but he was helping us then. He didn't treat this as a hoax. I want transparency." Speaker 3: "Did anybody see or hear of the president himself doing anything inappropriate as it related to Jeffrey Epstein? No."

Epstein was banned from Mar-a-Lago by Trump after he flirted with someone's underage daughter. Trump made it clear that such behavior was not tolerated at his club. Epstein, a wealthy Palm Beach resident known for throwing parties, was a member at the time. However, once people discovered his true nature, they distanced themselves from him, including President Trump. Trump emphasized that he never associated with Epstein and took action to remove him from the club. This incident provides clear evidence that Trump was not involved in any illegal activities.

The speaker is unsure why their supporters are interested in the Jeffrey Epstein story, as Epstein is dead and was never a big factor. The speaker believes the credible information has been given. They contrast the Epstein case with the "Mueller witch hunt" and the Steele dossier, which they claim was all fake. The speaker finds the Epstein case boring and doesn't understand why it continues to be discussed. They suggest that only "pretty bad people, including fake news" want to keep it going. They state that if there is any credible information, it should be released.

I woke up yesterday and saw that Bruce Reinhart signed off on the warrant to search Trump's Mar-a-Lago. I host two podcasts on Jeffrey Epstein and remembered Reinhart was one of Epstein's lawyers. He previously worked for the Southern District of Florida, which prosecuted Epstein for the sex crime case in 2008. The victims felt like a huge injustice occurred with Epstein's sweetheart deal. They named Reinhart in their suit because they felt it was unfair that Epstein hired civil servants to represent him. There's no proof that Reinhart used inside Justice Department information, but he did switch to the other team. I am not saying there is a connection between Epstein and the raid, but Reinhart does have a history with Epstein.

There is no client list detailing people Jeffrey Epstein trafficked. Instead, there is a redacted FBI affidavit from accusers accusing various people of improper sex. The speaker, as the former lawyer involved in investigations, knows the identities of those redacted, but claims none are public figures currently in office. Some were previously in office, and some are dead. The redactions are the result of court orders from two judges in Manhattan protecting alleged victims. Pam Bondi, the Justice Department, and Donald Trump are not responsible for these redactions, and the speaker is unaware of any undisclosed information they could release. The speaker claims the vast majority of names in the files are already public knowledge, appearing in articles and books. The speaker believes the media has not done enough to find the people already disclosed in the public record.

Speaker 0 pressed: 'Did you tell the attorney general that Donald Trump's name is in the Epstein files?' Speaker 1 responded: 'I have never spoken to president Trump about the Epstein files.' Speaker 1: 'The attorney general and I have had numerous discussions about the entirety of the Epstein files and the reviews conducted by our team.' Speaker 1: 'And we have released where president Trump's name is the files.' Speaker 1: 'During many conversations that the attorney general and I have had on the matter of Epstein, we have reviewed' Speaker 0: 'Question is simple.' Speaker 0: 'Who' Speaker 0: 'Did you tell the attorney general that Donald Trump's name is in the Epstein files? Yes or no?' Speaker 1: 'Why don't you try spelling it out' Speaker 0: 'Yes or no? Use' Speaker 0: 'the alphabet.' Speaker 0: 'Yes or no?' Speaker 1: 'No. A b c.' Speaker 0: 'Question has been asked and answered.' Speaker 0: 'You've not answered it, and we will take your evasiveness as a consciousness of guilt.'

Derek, a lawyer representing victims of Jeffrey Epstein, thanks the interviewer for their support. The interviewer asks about allegations against President Trump, but the lawyer states that the case was dropped before going to court. The lawyer shares that in 2009, Trump cooperated with their investigation and provided helpful information, showing no indication of wrongdoing. The interviewer asks about James Patterson's claim that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago, to which the lawyer responds that he has heard the rumor but cannot confirm it.

The speaker states they had no involvement with "the disgusting stuff" and blocked the person in question from their club upon learning about it. They question why this person isn't publicly refuting the allegations. The speaker claims to know the contents of the files and asserts there is nothing incriminating about Donald Trump in them, "as far as I know."

Speaker 0 explains that Epstein’s legal problems began with police investigations into allegations that underage women were coming to Epstein’s house. Epstein allegedly believed that Trump was the first to inform the police about what was happening at Epstein’s house, and from that point they became bitter enemies. Speaker 1 asks if this is what Epstein is telling him. Speaker 0 confirms that this is the version he is relaying, as presented by “Oh, the hoax yesterday.” Speaker 2 clarifies that “the hoax” refers to Democrats using a narrative to attack him. He says Epstein has never said or suggested or implied that the hoax is real; he has talked to Epstein many times. He states that the whole thing comes across as a hoax, not that Epstein’s actions are a hoax. He explains that Epstein believes himself innocent, and that when he first heard the rumor, he kicked him out of Maribago. He adds that Epstein was an FBI informant trying to take this matter down. The president knows and has great sympathy for the women who have suffered harms; it’s detestable to him. He and the speaker have spoken as recently as twenty-four hours ago. What he is talking about, according to Speaker 2, are the Democrats who are pursuing this with impure motives. If they truly cared, he asks, why didn’t they act during the four years of the Biden administration when the Biden DOJ had all the records? They didn’t say a word about it, and now they pursue it for political purposes. Speaker 3 notes that our current president has had relationships with Epstein in the past, and mentions Katie Johnson and possibly other victims who have accused Trump of involvement in similar matters. In the speaker’s experience, Trump supporters will not listen to such claims. He admits the court of law isn’t present here. He asks if there is anything that can be said about the validity of those claims or whether more is known. Speaker 1 responds that he can say nothing at all. He states that the only thing he can say about President Trump is that in 2009, when he served subpoenas and gave notice to connected people that he wanted to talk to them, Trump was the only person who picked up the phone and said, “let’s just talk.” Trump offered as much time as needed, provided information that checked out, and helped him so they didn’t have to depose him. He adds that this occurred in 2009. Speaker 3 asks if there is any truth to James Patterson’s claims that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago. Speaker 1 confirms that he definitely heard that.

Bradley Edwards, attorney for Jeffrey Epstein's victims, was asked about allegations against Donald Trump. Edwards stated that in his experience, Trump supporters are unwilling to consider claims of Trump's involvement with Epstein. When asked about the validity of claims against Trump, Edwards said he can only say that Trump was the only person who, upon receiving notice of a subpoena in 2009, offered to talk and provide information. Edwards stated that Trump was helpful, provided good information, gave no indication of involvement in anything untoward, and a deposition was not needed. Regarding James Patterson's claim that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago, Edwards has heard that rumor, possibly involving a manager at Trump's club. The rumor alleges Epstein was attempting to pick up someone's daughter, but Edwards was unable to confirm it.

They if what people are saying they're afraid of is that Trump did something gross with women I I really don't believe wanna be clear. I do not believe that. Yeah. Not covering for Trump. I just don't think that's true. I've seen any indication of it, and I've talked to people, to be totally honest with you, close to Epstein, very close to Epstein, who've told me off camera, in private, no, it's not. Trump never did that shit. So I don't think it's about that. But why is no one talking to Les Wexner? And

The president questions why his supporters are so interested in the Epstein story and says he doesn’t understand the interest or fascination. Epstein is dead a long time and was never a big factor in life, and he doesn’t understand why the Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody. He states that credible information has been given, and mentions the Mueller witch hunt and the Steele dossier as fake, asserting that all that information was fake. He describes the Epstein case as pretty boring stuff, sorted but boring, and doesn’t understand why it keeps going. He adds that only pretty bad people, including fake news, want to keep something like that going, and that credible information should be let them have it.

The transcript captures a short, informal discussion about Donald Trump’s handling of the Epstein files and the broader question of whether presidents protect rich and powerful people at the expense of victims in sex-crime cases. The dialogue unfolds between Speaker 0 and Speaker 1, with a recent history/politics flavor and an on-the-record moment later in the exchange. Speaker 0 begins by asking Speaker 1 how Trump fought to avoid releasing the Epstein files, noting that Trump initially indicated a release but then reversed course. Speaker 1 responds noncommittally, suggesting that Trump “probably” had friends who were involved and that Trump “saved them” from trouble. The question is framed as whether this constitutes presidential conduct—protecting powerful people rather than victims. Speaker 0 presses further, asking if protecting rich and powerful people over sex-crime victims is appropriate for a president, and whether such behavior is common in presidential history. Speaker 1 counters by pointing to historical examples, stating that many presidents have favored their friends and families, adding that while JFK’s affairs were noted, he claims Kennedy “got caught,” implying possible crimes. Speaker 0 acknowledges Kennedy’s infidelity but questions whether there were crimes, while Speaker 1 reiterates the point that Kennedy “got caught,” and asserts that such behavior is not becoming of a United States president. The conversation shifts toward evaluating current leadership: Speaker 0 asks whether Speaker 1 agrees with Trump’s protection of powerful individuals at the expense of crime victims. Speaker 1 answers, “All depends on who the powerful people are,” suggesting a conditional view rather than a blanket condemnation or approval. The discussion then veers to the expectation that a president should serve all Americans, not just the wealthy, and Speaker 0 reiterates the moral question. Speaker 1, initially evasive about personal details, asserts that they are a state representative and holds a badge, claiming to work for their country. The exchange ends with a sense of irony in the narrator’s commentary: the “moral of the story” being that it’s acceptable for Donald Trump to protect rich and powerful men because he himself is rich and powerful, effectively equating protection of the powerful with personal parity. Overall, the transcript presents a back-and-forth debate about why presidents might shield powerful individuals, how historical precedents factor into current judgments, and whether leadership should be equally accountable to all segments of society, ending with a skeptical, wrap-up sentiment about the perceived fairness of such protections.

Of the thousands of lawyers that you could hire to help you through this process, why Marc's aid? Mark Zaid is a leading opponent of president Trump, notorious for his online activity that is very anti Trump. He was heavily involved in president Trump's first impeachment. and furthermore, he advised his clients to leave the country after president Trump won the twenty twenty four election. So I actually was not aware of of any of those, details associated with Mark Notorious for his anti Trump activity and involvement. And you hire you hired that guy. Mark Zaid and I have never spoken about politics. I never asked him about his politics. He has never asked me about my politics. So you're claiming to be naive about Mark Zaid's political activity as he sits behind you advising you for this hearing I have not had That's astonishing.

The speaker doesn't understand why supporters are interested in the Jeffrey Epstein story, as Epstein has been dead for a long time and was never a big factor. The speaker believes credible information has been given and references the Mueller investigation and steel dossier as examples of fake information. The speaker finds the Epstein case boring and doesn't understand why it continues to be discussed, suggesting only bad people and fake news want to keep it going. The speaker states that if there is credible information, it should be released. The speaker is then asked a question about AI.

Transcript centers on truth and why Epstein files should be public. They note both parties avoid real reasons. Speaker 1 says the president views it as “all a trap” and that it “reminds him of Russiagate”—an attempt by Democrats to ensnare him in a fake scandal; “he's not... never did anything creepy,” the speaker says. The speaker argues transparency would have helped “the country” and “the administration,” giving it credibility. They speculate why disclosure is feared: “could it be that Trump was there and he just doesn't wanna jeopardize his presidency even putting it out there?” Epstein is described as “the center of New York society for... decades.” The claim: “I don't think having dinner at his house or even necessarily going to his island is proof of a crime.” Finally, they note “Epstein had contact with Israeli intelligence” and “British intelligence”—“probably scarier than Mossad and CIA.”

Attorney Bradley Edwards, who represented victims of Jeffrey Epstein, mentioned that in 2009, President Trump was the only person who willingly cooperated when served subpoenas. Trump provided helpful information that indicated no involvement in any wrongdoing. There are claims that Trump expelled Epstein from Mar-a-Lago, as stated by James Patterson in his book. Complaints were made about Epstein's inappropriate behavior towards young women at Mar-a-Lago, leading Trump to remove him from the club. It is believed that Trump was unaware of Epstein's activities. Epstein had connections with various influential individuals, including lending his plane to Bill Clinton on multiple occasions. Edwards noted that Trump's involvement with Epstein was related to their foundation.