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The speaker asserts that certain actions were deliberate and denies using hand signals on that day, noting that no hand signals were used except the general ones, and that while some people, like Frank Turk, were “messing with him because he adjusted his hat,” such incidents were part of a broader pattern where “everybody’s subject to that.” The point is that there is manipulation and opposition, and the speaker acknowledges that there are things larger than individuals that are in operations, even if he is not a conspiracy theorist. A central theme is the First Amendment and its intended purpose. The speaker explains that the First Amendment is important because “a voice is in arms for people that don't have arms,” allowing a collective or single voice to challenge a powerful hierarchy. It should be used as a shield to protect speech. However, with modern media and social media, the right has, in his view, been weaponized as a sword of public opinion. People can put out “a bunch of lies” and claim the First Amendment, asserting whatever they want, and it no longer functions solely as protection but can be a tool to push false narratives. He criticizes the proliferation of misinformation—examples like “Palm gun, exploding microphone, hand signals” are cited as items that may be false or sensationalized—and emphasizes that truth is not required for public opinion to take hold. The speaker suggests a return to consequences for false statements, advocating a more immediate response similar to the past: “put those people in the way back machine” to 1985, when if someone said something untrue about you or your family and others heard it, there would be an immediate consequence (a split lip), not a lawsuit several years later. This, he implies, would instill a level of respect and deter repeat offenses. He argues that sometimes people need to be punished in the moment to maintain accountability, even as he acknowledges the desire to balance free speech with consequences. Overall, the speaker weaves together a defense of the First Amendment, a critique of today’s information environment, and a provocative call for a return to quicker, tangible consequences for false or harmful statements, framed within a belief that larger forces operate beyond individual actions.

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I tweeted "Free Palestine" and within ten minutes, the NBA commissioner called, telling me to stop. Agents and people associated with my foundation were telling me to take it down, warning me about potential repercussions in Texas. I was confused, asking what I did wrong. Essentially, I went against the norm and said something people didn't like. I realized I needed to stand by my beliefs. In the league, there's pressure to stay silent, because saying too much could cost you your job. Many former players are in that position, so you feel like you constantly have to hold your tongue.

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As an entertainer, I stayed silent for a long time to avoid splitting my audience. But watching the chaos at the border, the economy, and Trump's family pushed me to speak up. When there was an attempt on Trump's life, I couldn't stay quiet anymore. It was a business decision to stay silent before, but now I'm on board.

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Speaker 0 shared a personal experience of posting a pro-Trump video on their social media. They received a call from a sponsor asking them to take it down, but they refused and told them to go away. Speaker 1 mentioned that many people fear losing their jobs if they don't vote for certain individuals, especially in Hollywood. Speaker 0 emphasized the importance of standing up for oneself and not allowing others to dictate their voting choices.

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The speaker, a former sports commentator, shares how his life changed after questioning the media's portrayal of COVID-19. He faced backlash on social media but also gained a large following. He lost his job at Sky Sports due to his views and became concerned about athletes collapsing during games. He contacted football associations and wrote a letter expressing his concerns, which gained support from many former footballers. Eventually, the FA informed him that professional footballers in England were no longer encouraged to get vaccinated. This news brought him a sense of relief and a feeling of a small victory in a larger battle.

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The speaker tweeted "free Palestine" while playing for the Houston Rockets and claims they were kicked out of the NBA as a result. They received a call from the NBA commissioner less than ten minutes after the tweet, and people working with their foundation urged them to erase it. The speaker questioned what they did that was so bad, but felt it was because they went against the grain. They decided to stand on what they believe, despite the risk of not getting another job. The speaker reached a point where they couldn't trust anyone, leading to a period of silence. However, they realized that either they speak their mind, or others will speak for them, and they chose to speak.

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Speaker 0 discusses the value of open debate and denouncing tactics used by some to shut down discussion. He references Charlie Kirk’s public life and the speech he asked him to deliver earlier this year, noting that Kirk died for the belief in the importance of debate. He explains that, in the months leading up to his final days, Kirk devoted effort to arguing about the event and the speech, and that he faced immense pressure from donors to remove him from Turning Point’s roster. The speaker asserts that Kirk stood firm in his belief that people should be able to debate, and that if you have something valid to say or are telling the truth, you should be able to explain it calmly and in detail to people who disagree, rather than resorting to silencing or questioning motives. He criticizes the tendency to label questions as indicative of evil or to accuse others of motives, noting how “shut up racist” has become a prevailing, harmful reaction. He states that this phrase was the number one reason he voted for Donald Trump. He emphasizes that if he were a racist or bigot, he would acknowledge it, noting that in America one is allowed to be whatever kind of person one wants, but he is opposed to racism and bigotry. He argues that the style of debate that obstructs the other side from talking by quickly appealing to motive is corrosive, and he questions the usefulness of such questioning practices. The speaker insists he’s grown tired of that approach and believes they’ve reached the end of it. He states clearly that he will not play by those rules, and he will express his views regardless of others’ disapproval, as long as he has the opportunity to speak. He reiterates that if someone doesn’t like his views, that’s fine, but he intends to express them openly. In closing, he reiterates his commitment to speaking his mind and not engaging in the silencing tactics he condemns.

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I got into a fight with Mike Mac. Every time somebody says anything about Israel, he had a meltdown, and it was during Mandy's space. I wasn't even the one that said it, but whatever. We get into this fight, and he just kept saying shit like, if you're gonna have the badge by your name, then you need to, you know, whatever, or you should create an alt account to say whatever. And so, I responded publicly via post, I snipped what he had said in that space, and I was like, first of all, let's get this shit clear. my only condition is that none of my speech will ever waver. Right? Like, there's not gonna be any censorship of my speech or any steering of narratives. That that was my only condition. And so, anyway, when I responded with that, later on, I think it was that night or the night after, whatever. It was right around that time, that's when they said that he called the meeting and was like, we need to pull out of the political conversations because it's having a bad effect on, you know, our long term success. He's launching this product, this this in fact based whatever thing, and he didn't want the political volatility to, you know, impact his brand. And he was like, so it's up to you. I'm still not trying to censor you. I'm giving you the option. Do you want to stay or go? You know? And I said, well, I'm not gonna not be able to participate in these political mean, that's what I do. Like, what else am I gonna do? Fucking sit in little painting spaces? I mean and I didn't say that, but, like, you know, I'm thinking that. So, anyway, I'd said, you know, so I you know, I'm gonna continue to participate. So that's when that happened. That's why I pulled out. But it wasn't like they they still never told me what to say and not to say. He was saying this is what we changing directions, you know, for the for the long term success of his business. He didn't tell me that I needed to change anything. He's just saying, are you with it or not type thing.

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Hide and seek has always involved accountability to someone, whether it's fans or employers. I've longed for someone with similar views who isn't beholden to anyone, and then Trump emerged. The frustration from others stems from people like me who had to issue public apologies to keep our jobs. When the Braves asked me to apologize, I felt it was necessary to maintain my position. I didn't write the apology myself; someone else did. This situation is reminiscent of Ozzie Guillen's experience with the Marlins, where he faced backlash for his comments. Apologies often stem from contractual obligations and the pressure to conform to societal expectations.

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People reacted strongly, demanding action, but the speaker says they have sacrificed for two years, facing ostracization, harassment, and threats. The speaker states that while others lived normal lives, they risked everything. The speaker emphasizes that nobody got hurt on their watch, and the allegation concerns something from six years ago that was hidden from them. The speaker also claims the alleged victim wasn't even harmed.

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He recounts a sequence in which five children testified about an incident involving Jamal. He references Judge Nicklin, who he says stated that “the five kids just made up that they were attacked by Jamal.” He emphasizes that these five children had previously spoken about the matter before his involvement. He explains that, as a journalist, he interviewed them and “repeated it,” and then asserts that the group used bankruptcy through the legal system to try to intimidate him. When bankruptcy leverage did not achieve the desired effect, he says they targeted his family’s home. He describes the home being boxed in, live streamed, and people sent to the residence, with threats to kill his kids. He notes that the fallout over those years left him bitter about what happened and that he remained “all in anyway,” framing this as something he did in response to the situation. He says he carried that weapon, calling it a weapon, while he sat there for three years thinking he had a film that “absolutely annihilates them.” He claims the film reached 53,000,000 views, arguing that the public had an interest in knowing the truth about the story. He asserts that the courts did not allow him to fight public interest through legal channels. He states that he has been through the court system and claims to have been imprisoned unjustly, unlawfully, and that he watched people celebrate it. He acknowledges personal flaws by saying, “And I’m not perfect,” and notes that if one follows his life, he has been in some bad places over those three years.

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I was just fired from my job. After six years building the diversity, equity and inclusion department from scratch at Microsoft, I lose my job because a random person reports my posts to my employer and takes my job and security away for a thought, for an opinion. Somebody screenshot all of my TikToks. I made some stupid comments about Charlie Kirk on the day that he was shot, I said some things on blue sky and on threads, and I deleted them when it was requested by my employer. 'and you talk about freedom of speech like you care about it.' 'I felt joy that day.' 'I can't help that. So I don't deserve a job?' 'Fired You from my fucking job.' 'Now I have nothing but this website. I have nothing anymore.'

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Everyone is eager to hear your story, especially regarding the 2024 election. You have firsthand experience, which gives you authority on the matter. Can you share what's causing you to lose sleep? I received a text from a lawyer who previously tried to remove me from the ballot ten years ago. He threatened to send a cease and desist if I don’t stop speaking out. This has caused me significant anxiety. Courage is about facing fear, so I'm trying to push through it. It's concerning that individuals within the system are legally threatening you. I reached out to him to clarify what I said that was untrue, and we discussed it. Ultimately, everything I stated was accurate; he just didn't want it presented in a clear way.

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I tweeted "Free Palestine" and within ten minutes the NBA commissioner called, telling me to delete it. My agents and foundation people echoed the sentiment, warning me about the repercussions. I was confused, wondering what I'd done wrong, but it was simply because I went against the grain. I had to stand my ground and not retract my statement. Being in the league puts you in a precarious position. Speak out too much, say the wrong thing, and you might find yourself out of a job. That fear of losing opportunities silences a lot of players.

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I tweeted "Free Palestine" and within ten minutes, the NBA commissioner called, telling me to stop. Agents and people connected to my foundation told me to take it down, warning of the consequences. I was confused, asking what I did wrong, but it was clear, I went against the grain, and some didn't like what I said. Now, I have to stand firm in my beliefs. In the league, there's pressure to stay silent, to avoid saying anything that might cost you your job. So many players out of the league face this. It forces you to hold your tongue.

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Speaker 1 explains that they were not fired by Mark Zuckerberg, but faced continuous attacks from the media and tech industry. They were put on leave for six months after making a $9,000 political donation supporting Trump. The speaker believes that if Trump had lost, the attacks would have been dismissed, but his victory made it unbearable. They acknowledge a direct connection between the donation and being pushed out of the company. Other Facebook employees fear speaking out or supporting any politician due to what happened to the speaker. The speaker advises right-leaning founders to keep their political leanings private to avoid being terminated by the mob, focusing instead on building and creating value.

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The speaker explains he is trying to navigate possible collaboration with federal authorities while maintaining personal integrity. He says he has a statement that is “completely true” that he’s “never been in contact with any federal authority,” and he’s torn about how to start working with DHS to address threats he faces as a national figure. He claims “the Yemenis, a million of them came out into the streets” and that they want to kill him, with a fatwa on his head. He asserts he would need DHS to make a statement that “the Houthis and their fatwa that they placed on my head will not be stood,” and that “American citizens exercising our rights will not be, you know, subject to to Muslim murder, rituals.” He describes hundreds of thousands of death threats in his DMs and says, to deal with them, he would need to walk into an FBI building and give them a printout, but he “don’t fucking trust the FBI.” He accuses the FBI of having “destroyed my life,” pointing to past raids on his and others’ homes and references to the Mar-a-Lago search, stating he is trying to figure out how to navigate this situation without claiming contact with Harmeet or making contacts he “don’t want to.” He notes that when he and others exercised their rights in Dearborn, he views it as a civil rights hate crime, saying “the Muslim oppression of Christians in Dearborn” was a civil rights hate violation and that “they punched me in the face because I’m white” and “they punched me in the face because I’m Christian, not for anything else.” Harmony Dillon is described as wanting to prosecute this as a hate crime, with others subjected to spit, food thrown, assaults, pepper spray, etc. He mentions the Trump administration’s purported interest in bringing these people to justice, but he expresses a wish not to feed into it, citing personal integrity and caution. He questions whether the rank-and-file FBI officer’s motives are aligned with his interests, contrasting a year ago with a “grandma that walked through the capital” to now a Muslim who punched a Christian, implying hypocrisy or moral decline. He asserts there are “deep state embedded figures in the DOJ, in the FBI, in DHS,” who were involved in actions like the raid on Mar-a-Lago and other “schemes.” He says he needs assurance that these agencies have “our best interest” and that they are not “deep state shills.” Ultimately, he states he has refused to make contact because it’s “too risky” and he cannot be associated with people he deems “un American.”

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The speaker states that they tweeted "free Palestine" while playing for the Houston Rockets and were subsequently kicked out of the league. They received a call from the NBA commissioner less than ten minutes after the tweet, urging them to take it down. The speaker questions what they did that was so bad, suggesting the issue was going against the grain. They decided to stand on their beliefs, despite the risk of losing their job. This led to a period where they felt they couldn't trust anyone, choosing to say and do nothing. However, this created a new problem, as others began speaking for them. The speaker resolved to speak their mind, regardless of the consequences.

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The speaker always wanted to broadcast in their hometown. However, they became bothered by the media's direction, even before George Floyd, due to moral and ethical concerns. After George Floyd's death, mandates required that half of interviewees had to be non-white or from a protected class. CBS News allegedly prohibited using the term "riots" in reporting. The speaker feels blessed to be on the other side now. The other speaker believes the net effect was the death of many people and the destruction of an American city. They are bothered that it's been memory-holed and no one has been held accountable.

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One speaker describes a person who was “one of the only people… to go to the president whom he loved” and notes that the president “loved him in a real way.” This person, who truly cared for his country, went to the Oval Office to tell the president that while Iran is really bad, “a war with Iran is not… something that could really hurt our country.” It was an unpopular position, and he “didn’t need to express it,” yet he did, without pursuing some hostile agenda. He was for doing the right and wise and difficult thing and spoke that truth when he faced the president. The speaker adds that this person “took massive, massive abuse from his own donors.” The donors had different views and expressed them intensely, but the person “loved his donors,” and he confronted them by presenting his own stance: “look, I understand your perspective. This is my perspective, and we're gonna do what we think is the right thing, the wise thing.” Another point emphasizes that he was “the voice of young people.” The speaker asserts that there are “no young people in the country anymore supporting this war and wanting Israel to continue its bombing campaign,” stating that this reflects the truth of the polls. He was in touch with young people and, even when his own opinion differed from theirs, felt he owed it to them “to bring their message to the sitting president of The United States.” The speaker concludes with a somber note, stating that the situation has been, in his view, snuffed out, “as he has been, unfortunately.”

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Speaker 0: At some point, many people will hate you for what you've done. Despite preaching inclusivity, they won't include you. The majority still holds power, and we allow it because we take sides in arguments. No one will understand our perspective.

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I recently drove through my old neighborhood in Los Angeles. Doctor Dre used to come by my house, he lived down the street. My family has been here since 1962. Growing up here was tough, out of all the kids I knew, at least 13 are dead before 21. Politicians only care about those who give them money, I don't donate because they have hidden agendas. I had hope for Obama, but things didn't change much for the people I care about. Companies pledged money to Black Lives Matter, but it didn't improve the neighborhood. The NBA is full of slogans but lacks real action, like supporting the Big 3. I wouldn't be where I am if I stayed in my lane, I refuse to be controlled. I turned down $9 million for a movie because I wouldn't take the COVID vaccine. It wasn't ready, and I didn't feel safe. I know people injured by the vaccine, and I chose to stand on my convictions.

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During the Beijing Olympics, I reached out to various athletes, including Olympians, for support. They admired what I was doing but couldn't openly express it due to their endorsement deals and contracts. I asked them to imagine if their loved ones were suffering in concentration camps and whether they would stay silent. This often made them uncomfortable and they would leave the room.

The Megyn Kelly Show

Sage Steele Speaks Out About Her ESPN Exit, Being Stabbed in the Back, and Fighting For What's Right
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Megyn Kelly interviews former ESPN host Sage Steele, who recently settled a lawsuit against ESPN and Disney after alleging retaliation for her comments on the vaccine mandate and her biracial identity. Steele discusses her emotional journey following her departure from ESPN after 16.5 years, expressing gratitude for her supportive family and reflecting on her upbringing as a military brat. She shares her experiences of feeling overwhelmed and uncertain about her future but remains optimistic about new opportunities. Steele recounts her family background, highlighting her parents' interracial marriage during a time of societal controversy. She emphasizes the strength and love in her family, particularly her father's achievements as the first Black varsity football player at West Point. Steele discusses the importance of her upbringing in shaping her values and resilience, especially in the face of adversity. The conversation shifts to Steele's career at ESPN, where she faced challenges as a woman in a male-dominated industry. She expresses disappointment in the lack of support from female colleagues and the cutthroat nature of the workplace. Steele reflects on her early struggles at ESPN, including a difficult start that ultimately fueled her determination to succeed. Steele's controversial comments on Jay Cutler's podcast regarding the vaccine mandate and her biracial identity led to backlash and disciplinary actions from ESPN. She describes the emotional toll of being publicly criticized and the fear of returning to work after her suspension. Despite the challenges, Steele emphasizes the importance of standing up for her beliefs and the support she received from her family and friends. The discussion touches on the hypocrisy within ESPN regarding political speech, as other employees faced no repercussions for their outspoken views. Steele highlights the inconsistency in how different employees were treated and expresses her frustration with the company's response to her comments. Steele's lawsuit was ultimately settled, and she reflects on the importance of free speech and the need for consistency in corporate policies. She expresses hope for the future, considering new opportunities and the possibility of creating her own platform. The conversation concludes with a focus on the importance of surrounding oneself with supportive individuals and the potential for personal and professional growth.

The Dr. Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

Mean Tweets: An Apologia | Pageau and Hurwitz | EP 282
Guests: Pageau, Hurwitz
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In this podcast episode, Jordan Peterson discusses the complexities surrounding free speech, gender identity, and the consequences of social media interactions, particularly focusing on his past comments regarding Elliot Page and other contentious topics. He reflects on his 2016 videos criticizing Canada's Bill C-16, which he believes intruded on free speech and contributed to a psychogenic epidemic among vulnerable young women. Peterson shares the severe backlash he has faced, including investigations by the College of Psychologists of Ontario and a recent Twitter suspension for allegedly deadnaming Elliot Page. Peterson acknowledges the harshness of his tone on social media, particularly Twitter, where he feels compelled to express outrage over issues like gender identity and related medical interventions. He discusses the emotional toll of public criticism and the impact of social media on discourse, noting that it often fosters mob behavior and dehumanization. He emphasizes the need for a more constructive dialogue and reflects on feedback from colleagues who suggest that his approach may alienate potential allies. The conversation shifts to specific tweets that have drawn criticism, including his remarks about Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, a plus-sized model on the cover of Sports Illustrated, and Elliot Page's transition. Peterson argues that his comments were intended to critique broader societal trends rather than target individuals personally. He grapples with the implications of his words, recognizing the responsibility that comes with his platform and the potential harm caused by his statements. Throughout the discussion, Peterson is joined by Greg Hurwitz and Jonathan Pageau, who provide perspectives from the left and emphasize the importance of maintaining a respectful dialogue. They explore the nuances of identity politics, the role of social media in shaping public perception, and the challenges of navigating complex cultural issues without resorting to divisive rhetoric. Peterson ultimately expresses a desire to improve his communication style and engage in more thoughtful discussions, acknowledging the need for humility and responsibility in addressing sensitive topics. He concludes by thanking his guests for their willingness to engage in this difficult conversation, highlighting the importance of bridging divides and fostering understanding across differing viewpoints.
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