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My name is David Nelson, and I work for the IRS as a tax examining technician. I'm speaking out because our systems are incredibly outdated and not integrated, which handcuffs us. I'm not afraid of losing my career if it means I can help the American people and my colleagues at the IRS. We use a program called IDRS, dating back to the late 1960s. It significantly impacts our efficiency; it's absurd that the US tax system relies on such an old program. I've even created a solution as a hobby to improve things. Congress has been notified about this for years, and while the Inflation Reduction Act provided some funds, it was just a band-aid, not a real fix. I want to set an example for my children and do the right thing.

The Treasury's main payment system, PAM, handles about $5 trillion a year, roughly a billion dollars an hour. When we first looked at it, payments could be processed with no categorization or description – basically, untraceable blank checks. If this were a public company, it would be delisted, and the executives would be in jail. We recommended making payment categorization codes mandatory with some explanation required for each payment. This radical change is being implemented now, and I think it probably saves $100 billion a year. Where was that money going? It's hard to say what was waste and what was fraud. If the government sends money to someone who doesn't deserve it, is that waste, or fraud?

Doge aims to cut the deficit by $1 trillion by reducing waste and fraud, targeting a 15% reduction in federal spending. Astonishingly, billions are wasted routinely, like a billion-dollar charge for a simple online survey. The goal is to cut waste by $4 billion daily, and Doge publishes findings on doge.gov for transparency. A key project involves digitizing the government retirement process, currently a paper-based system housed in a mine with 400 million documents. The aim is to reduce processing time from months to days, offering civil servants a modern experience. Doge is also addressing IT issues, including outdated systems and cybersecurity vulnerabilities. For example, 40% of Social Security phone calls are from fraudsters attempting to steal benefits. Doge aims to improve the system, ensuring legitimate recipients receive their benefits. There are 15-20 million fraudulent social security numbers floating around. Other findings include 27 CIOs at NIH with 700 non-connected IT systems, overstaffing, and a single Treasury bank account for all federal payments, lacking proper oversight. There are 4.6 million government credit cards for 2.3 million employees. Small business loans have been given to those under 11 and over 120 years old.

Governments lack the incentive to adapt and improve because they can't fail like private sector organizations. The technology revolution has transformed private sector organizations, but government organizations have not fully adapted. Government financial systems are decades old. It is claimed that $2.3 trillion in transactions cannot be tracked. Information cannot be shared within a single building because it's stored on dozens of different, inaccessible, and incompatible technological systems.

Sam Korkos, a special advisor within the US Treasury, and Treasury Secretary Scott Vessant, discuss modernizing the IRS. Korkos is reviewing the IRS's modernization program, which is 30 years behind schedule and $15 billion over budget. The goal is to update the IRS's legacy infrastructure, which still uses old mainframes. Korkos says the IRS has talented software developers, but they haven't been empowered to make decisions. Vessant says entrenched interests and consultants have constricted themselves around the IRS, costing taxpayers unbelievable amounts of money. Korkos notes the IRS processes the same amount of data as a mid-sized bank, but with far more IT staff and a much larger budget, 80% of which goes to contractors and licenses. Vessant says his priorities for the IRS are collections, privacy, and customer service, none of which are being well served. Korkos has stopped work and cut about $1.5 billion from the modernization budget. He says the career staff has been cooperative. Vessant wants the American people to understand what is being done to make government work better, cheaper, faster, and with more privacy.

Speaker 0 recounts discovering a secret SCIF on campus, a secure facility with files nobody knew existed. An employee walked by a door, inquiries were made, the room was entered, and individuals were found working there with secret files on controversial topics. Those files have been turned over to attorneys and the speaker is pursuing what happened. The speaker notes that Customs and Border Protection (CBP) knows every traveler entering the country and every good that comes in, and they assess and collect tariffs. They highlight that information about travelers during COVID was with national labs under the speaker’s jurisdiction, and that scientists at those labs participated with the Wuhan lab. The speaker claims these scientists traveled back and forth between each other and worked on those experiments, describing this as eye-opening. Addressing Elon and his team, the speaker says they were extremely helpful since the speaker’s arrival in office, assisting in identifying a troubling issue: some of the speaker’s own department employees had downloaded software on the speaker’s phone and laptop to spy on them and record meetings. The speaker states that this had happened to several politicians and notes that bringing in technology experts helped reveal this software; without examining laptops and phones, the activity would still be ongoing. The speaker emphasizes a need to continue partnering with technology companies and experts to bring them in for assistance, as government work—especially within the department under the speaker’s jurisdiction—has been neglected and lagging behind what it should be. The speaker recalls that in the first four months, they couldn’t even email a PowerPoint from Department of Homeland Security servers if it was longer than six pages, illustrating what they view as backwards thinking that hindered national security. The speaker reflects on the concept of a deep state, admitting that they previously believed it existed but didn’t realize how severe it was. They describe daily efforts to uncover individuals who do not love America and who work within the Department and across the federal government. The overall message conveys uncovering secrecy, internal surveillance concerns, cross-agency connections involving CBP and national labs, collaboration with tech experts, and a strong critique of past departmental conduct and systemic protection failures.

As governor, I saw firsthand government waste, but what Elon is finding is stunning. One agency had 13,000 employees but 37,000 software licenses, many unused. With millions of federal employees and credit cards, the opportunities for fraud are immense. Shockingly, there are millions of dead people still in the Social Security system. We need to address the low-hanging fruit. Keep good employees but eliminate unnecessary positions. I was in a meeting where it was revealed there are more government credit cards than employees, and the number of people on Social Security rolls is incredible. Checks go out automatically, and nobody is checking. Contract officers retire, but the money keeps flowing. Even diligent companies struggle to stop improper payments. Agencies like USAID don't track appropriations. Basic changes are needed to ensure taxpayer dollars are spent wisely.

Doge aims to cut the federal deficit by $1 trillion by reducing waste and fraud, targeting a 15% spending reduction without affecting critical services. Astonishingly, billions are wasted routinely, like a billion-dollar charge for a simple online survey. Doge aims to cut $4 billion daily and publishes findings on doge.gov for transparency. The team found a mine in Pennsylvania housing 400 million paper retirement documents, a process from the 1950s they plan to digitize for faster processing. Government IT costs $100 billion, maintaining systems over 50 years old. Social Security faces fraud, with 40% of calls being from fraudsters trying to steal benefits. Doge aims to protect legitimate recipients and ensure website stability. There are 15-20 million potentially fraudulent Social Security numbers in the system. NIH has 27 centers with 700 IT systems that don't connect and 27 CIOs. The federal government has a one-way ratchet workforce, leading to duplicative functions like 40 communications offices at HHS. The IRS has 1,400 people provisioning laptops and cell phones, a task that could be done monthly by a fraction of that staff. Treasury uses one main bank account for all outgoing payments, lacking basic financial controls and auditability. There's $500 billion in fraud annually. Small business loans were given to those under 11 and over 120 years old due to systems not cross-referencing data. Fraudsters exploit the "alive" status in Social Security to claim benefits for dead people. Doge views its work as a patriotic duty to ensure America's solvency.

Speaker 0 recalls Speaker 1 saying they wanted the login for every computer. Speaker 0 didn't understand it at the time, but now realizes that accessing the computers is key to reforming the government. Speaker 1 states that the government is run by hundreds of computers. Even a presidential executive order must ultimately be implemented at a computer. To understand accounting and eliminate waste and fraud, one must analyze the computer database. Asking humans to ask other humans and contractors is inefficient. The only way to reconcile databases and eliminate waste and fraud is to examine the computers directly. Speaker 1 refers to this as "reprogramming the matrix" and says it involves understanding and reconciling computer databases to identify waste and fraud.

A basic search of the Social Security database revealed 20 million dead people marked as alive. While it's unclear if they're directly receiving Social Security payments, their "alive" status allows them to fraudulently obtain disability, unemployment, and fake medical payments. The fraud occurs because government databases don't communicate well. For example, the Treasury's main payments computer, PAM, handles $5 trillion in payments annually, roughly a billion dollars an hour. We discovered payments lacked categorization codes and descriptions, essentially untraceable blank checks. If a public company operated this way, it would be delisted, and executives would face imprisonment.

I'm David Nelson, a tax examining technician at the IRS. I'm speaking out because our systems are antiquated, specifically the Integrated Data Retrieval System (IDRS) from the 1960s. It drastically hurts our efficiency. The entire US tax system relies on this outdated, command-code driven program, similar to an older version of MS-DOS. I even created a solution in my free time to address this, but can't use it without permission. Congress has been aware of these issues for years, but the funding provided is just a band-aid, not a real fix. I'm risking my career because I want to help the American people and my colleagues at the IRS. I want to set an example for my kids. I'm doing what I can to protect others and do the right thing.

Doge aims to cut the federal deficit by $1 trillion by reducing waste and fraud, targeting a 15% reduction in federal spending. Astonishingly, billions are wasted casually, like a billion-dollar online survey. The goal is to cut $4 billion daily, and Doge publishes findings on its website for transparency. The retirement process involves a mine with 400 million paper documents, a system from the 1950s, which Doge plans to digitize for efficiency. Social Security systems are outdated, costing $100 billion, with critical systems over 50 years old. 40% of Social Security phone calls are from fraudsters stealing benefits, which Doge aims to prevent, ensuring legitimate recipients receive more money. NIH has 27 centers with 700 IT systems that don't connect, each with its own CIO. The federal government has 4.6 million credit cards for 2.3 million employees. Treasury uses one bank account for all federal payments, lacking basic financial controls, leading to $500 billion in annual fraud. Small business loans have been given to those under 11 and over 120 years old due to disconnected systems.

The speaker was asked to help fix retirement in the government and discovered that all paper documents for the retirement process are housed in a mine in Pennsylvania. This mine contains 22,000 filing cabinets stacked 10 high, holding 400 million pieces of paper. The retirement process, largely unchanged since the 1950s, involves physical paperwork and can take many months. Currently, the government can only process about 8,000 retirements a month, with processing times taking six to nine months, and calculations are often incorrect. The goal is to digitize the process, creating an online system that takes only a few days. The speaker believes civil servants are subjected to outdated processes and aims to provide a modern, user-friendly experience. The overhaul is expected to be completed in the next couple of months.

I work long hours until 4:45, waiting until age 57 to retire with a pension. Going back to the office on Mondays is tough. I have dental, but filling out forms is frustrating. I'm embarrassed about the price hikes on my rental in Ocean City. Cameras are required for today's meeting. I waste my life waiting for a verification code. It's hard to check my 401k and my fudge round supplier doesn't take Apple Pay anymore. My job could be done by one person. Living in the real world is harder than you think. I have healthcare, but it's scary. I only have a few weeks left to open and roll. The new boss just snaps his pen. They want us back on Tuesdays too. We're just like you.

Doge aims to cut the deficit by $1 trillion by reducing waste and fraud, targeting a 15% spending reduction without affecting critical services. Astonishingly, billions are wasted routinely, like a billion-dollar charge for a simple online survey. The goal is to cut $4 billion daily, and Doge publishes findings on doge.gov for transparency. A key project involves digitizing the government retirement process, currently a paper-based system housed in a mine with 400 million documents, aiming to reduce processing time from months to days. Social Security systems are outdated, costing $100 billion, with critical systems over 50 years old. 40% of Social Security phone calls are from fraudsters stealing benefits. Doge aims to protect legitimate recipients and ensure website stability. HHS has opportunities to improve biomedical research by directing more grant money to scientists and consolidating IT systems. Treasury is fixing financial operations, addressing $500 billion in annual fraud and hundreds of billions in improper payments. Previously, Treasury couldn't pass an audit due to a lack of payment verification. The federal government has 4.6 million credit cards for 2.3 million employees. Duplicative functions and overstaffing exist across agencies. Small business loans have been given to those under 11 or over 120 years old. Fraudsters exploit the fact that computer systems don't communicate with each other.

Speaker 0 visited a mine used for storing physical media, specifically filing cabinets dating back to the 1960s, containing retirement paperwork. The speaker questions why paper is still used in 2025, showing an example of a retiree's case folder, which is compiled by hand and moved through the mine. Speaker 1 adds that the retirement process can take over six months due to the manual compilation and storage of paper documents, with calculations also done by hand. Speaker 0 states that the paperwork is extensive and difficult to process. They are implementing modern software to bring the retirement process online, and currently have 25 retirees going through an entirely online retirement process for the first time.

I work long hours until 4:45, waiting until I'm 57 to retire with a pension. Going back to the office on Mondays is tough. I have dental coverage, but filling out forms is frustrating. I'm embarrassed about the price hikes on my rental in Ocean City. I waste my life away with verification codes and can't even check my 401k. My fudge round supplier doesn't take Apple Pay anymore. It's a shame. I wish I could wake up and not have to do my job. Health care is good, but I'm scared about the details. I have limited time to open and roll my pledge. They want us back on Tuesdays too. It's exhausting. We're just like you.

Our government needs new incentives for bureaucracy to adapt and improve since they can't fail like individuals can. The technology revolution has changed private organizations, but our government is lagging behind. Our financial systems are outdated, unable to track trillions of dollars in transactions, and information sharing is hindered by incompatible technological systems.

We're streamlining the federal bureaucracy, aiming to reduce the workforce. We found a surprising bottleneck: the retirement process. Currently, the maximum number of retirements per month is capped at 10,000 due to a completely manual, paper-based system. The paperwork is stored in a 1950s-era limestone mine, and the speed of the mine shaft elevator limits processing. This antiquated system employs thousands of people whose efforts could be far better utilized elsewhere. The situation is absurd; we need to modernize this process immediately. Imagine the increased efficiency and contribution to the country's goods and services if these employees were redeployed.

The speakers discuss the government's outdated paper-based retirement process, which involves storing physical files in a mine. One speaker recounts visiting the mine filled with filing cabinets from the 1960s, emphasizing its security and climate control, but questioning the continued use of paper in 2025. The process requires compiling retirement papers by hand, moving them on carts, and can take over six months, with calculations also done manually. They are implementing a new online retirement process, with 25 retirees currently using it. They mention cases of single retirees having entire pallets or shopping carts of documents. They want to free up the thousands of people who are carrying paper into a mine. They compare the government's technology to the "Flintstones" era. The conversation shifts to the postal service, which is legally required to have a balanced budget but has been losing money since 2007 due to additional regulations. The postal service lost $9.5 billion last year. They believe they can modernize it and help them become profitable.

Our financial systems are outdated, hindering our progress. It is estimated that $2.3 trillion in transactions cannot be tracked. Additionally, we face challenges in sharing information within this building due to incompatible and inaccessible technological systems.

Doge aims to cut the federal deficit by $1 trillion by reducing waste and fraud, targeting a 15% reduction in federal spending. Astonishingly, billions are wasted routinely, such as a billion-dollar charge for a simple online survey. Doge aims to cut $4 billion daily and publishes findings on doge.gov for transparency. The team found a mine in Pennsylvania housing 400 million paper retirement documents, a process dating back to the 1950s. The goal is to digitize it for faster processing. Government IT costs $100 billion, maintaining systems over 50 years old. Social Security faces fraud, with 40% of calls being from fraudsters trying to steal benefits. Doge aims to protect legitimate recipients and ensure the website stays online. There are 15-20 million potentially fraudulent Social Security numbers. NIH has 27 centers with 700 IT systems that don't connect. The Treasury uses one main bank account for all outgoing payments, lacking proper oversight. There are 4.6 million government credit cards for 2.3 million employees. Small business loans were given to those under 11 and over 120 years old. Fraudsters exploit system gaps, like claiming benefits for dead people. Doge views its work as a patriotic duty to ensure America's solvency.

Governments need to find incentives for bureaucracy to adapt and improve, unlike individuals or businesses that can fail and die. The technology revolution has transformed organizations in the private sector, but not the government. Our financial systems are outdated, with an estimated $2.3 trillion in untrackable transactions. Additionally, information cannot be shared within this building due to incompatible and inaccessible technological systems.

I'm David Nelson, a tax examining technician at the IRS. I'm blowing the whistle on our outdated systems like the Integrated Data Retrieval System (IDRS) from the 1960s. It's command code driven, like MS-DOS but older, and it severely hinders our efficiency. I've even created a potential solution in my free time, a centralized inventory system to replace IDRS, but there are many approvals to get through to use it. Congress knows about these issues, but the "fixes" have been mere band-aids. IRS employees are generally discouraged from speaking out, but I'm not afraid to lose my job. I want to set an example for my kids, to show them the importance of doing the right thing, even when it's scary. My job is to ensure a fair and just tax system for the American people.