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Cutting taxes and spending is the solution. Eliminating agencies like the IRS, CIA, and FBI may seem drastic, but pre-9/11 intelligence failures demonstrate bureaucratic inefficiency, not a lack of funding. Increased spending hasn't solved the problem; intelligent interpretation of information is key. Expanding presidential power is concerning; sacrificing liberty for security leads to the loss of both. The push for national ID cards, warrantless searches, and secret prisons is un-American. We must use presidential power to restore order and protect our liberties.

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Every year, hundreds of thousands of searches of Americans' private communications are conducted without a warrant. This violates citizens' constitutional rights. The FBI claims they will fix the problem internally, but the number of illegal searches keeps increasing. It seems like the FBI only wants to avoid getting caught.

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The speaker, a former US congressman, believes that Congress needs to take action to reform the government. Currently, Congress either passes massive spending bills without reading them or relies on continuing resolutions to keep the government running. This lack of oversight allows administrative agencies like the DOJ and FBI to accumulate power without being held accountable. The speaker argues that these agencies should not be considered independent of the White House, as they report to the elected president. Congress has also failed to use its power of the purse to rein in these agencies. The speaker urges Congress to prioritize its duty to ensure constitutional accountability over concerns about government shutdowns or bad news cycles.

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Donald Trump could weaponize the Department of Justice against political opponents and turn the FBI into his personal police force. This is characterized as how dictatorships, not America, operate.

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Throughout history, the FBI has been used to spy on American citizens who disagreed with government policies, especially regarding foreign affairs. Both Democrats and Republicans have utilized the FBI for this purpose, including monitoring churches and other groups. While some investigations may have been beneficial, the FBI's extensive record-keeping raises concerns. The CIA, established in 1947, has a poor track record as well, being used by administrations for questionable purposes. It is suggested that the FBI's functions could be handled by state justice departments instead.

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As government expands, individual freedom diminishes. Over the years, freedoms have been eroded by increasing laws, regulations, and the growth of federal agencies, which currently number 428. It's hard to justify the need for so many agencies, especially as two new ones are created each year. Each agency contributes to the loss of personal freedom. To regain our freedoms, it's crucial to reverse this trend, which will lead to greater prosperity and personal happiness.

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FISA, originally meant for security, now allows unchecked surveillance on Americans, eroding privacy and rights. Secret courts enable abuse, turning FISA into a tool of oppression. Trump's campaign was targeted under FISA warrants, showing political weaponization. This misuse threatens democracy, highlighting the dangers of unchecked power and the need to reclaim lost liberties.

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A few years ago, it became clear that federal intelligence agencies were secretly working against Donald Trump's campaign, spying on him and leaking information to the media. This ongoing interference undermines democracy, as these agencies manipulate political power. The Republican Party should be fighting against this descent into totalitarianism, but instead, leaders like House Speaker Mike Johnson have pushed for the reauthorization of the FISA law, which allows warrantless surveillance of Americans. Despite some pushback from Congress, the threat of such surveillance remains. Johnson's priorities align with those of the Biden administration, focusing on Ukraine funding and expanding surveillance rather than addressing pressing issues like border security. This raises questions about the Republican Party's commitment to its constituents and the future of American democracy.

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Throughout history, institutions like the FBI have been used to spy on American citizens who disagreed with certain policies. Woodrow Wilson utilized the FBI during World War I to arrest those who opposed his foreign policy. Similarly, both Democrats and Republicans employed the FBI to monitor various groups, including churches, during the Vietnam era and Central American policy disagreements. While some investigations may have been beneficial, the FBI's surveillance on Americans who express dissent, particularly regarding foreign policy, raises concerns. It is worth considering whether the FBI's role in investigating crime could be fulfilled by state justice departments, without compromising civil liberties. The FBI is known to maintain extensive records on individuals.

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The first participant asks the second to identify who did each major event. For MLK Jr., the second participant says, “That was a CI operation because they considered him a dangerous communist. And but the FBI was bugging the, in churches where he was giving some of his speeches in churches. They were bugging the podiums and following him around. He was a top target, for elimination.” For JFK, the second participant states, “I think that was a CI hit. They they may have employed some mafia connections to carry it out because that was their mafia assassination program.” Concerning LBJ, the first participant notes, “LBJ was very involved in all that in Dallas. So,” and the second participant adds, “he an evil man.” The first participant affirms, “He was an evil man.” Turning to Pearl Harbor, the second participant claims, “They knew the attack was coming was coming. They knew where it was gonna happen in Pearl Harbor and when. And they they told no one, and they let it happen on purpose. That that's from the commander of the Pacific Fleet. I would say that's a pretty pretty credible witness.” He continues, “So, yeah, that that was a false admitted that. They admitted they had the and they heard it was gonna happen. And, you how know, else were you gonna get Americans to be on the side of this war that had nothing to do with us?” This leads to the discussion of 9/11. The second participant says, “My opinion. As a criminal investigator, as a former CI officer, nine eleven was not the act of a bunch of poorly flight trained terrorists that executed an unbelievably meticulous, piloting of those aircraft, even even pilots. There's there's pilots for nine eleven truth now, and they say, we could not have done that. Not possible.” He adds, “And then we go to the passport issue, and we go to the Tower 7, which was a controlled demolition.” The second participant further asserts, “You talk to any structural engineer, and and and I I have. And the fact I think George w Bush blacked out. I think it was 40 pages of the 09/11 report dealing with Saudi Arabia. So what wait a minute. This report was supposed to be for the American people on what happened, and you blacked all these pages out? What in the world?” He continues, “I do not think that it was a bunch of un poorly trained or untrained terrorists that did it. I think there was another source behind it. I think it was intentional, and I'm going just from a a criminal invest investigative perspective just looking at the evidence, what evidence we have, that that was an intentional act, And it would fall right into the MO that you and I are talking about.” He concludes that the event was “Horrible” and emphasizes that “the shadow government deep state or especially the CIA. It does not matter. Their pawns on their chessboard, they don't care that three thousand people were horribly killed that day, but it achieved the aim of gutting the US constitution, bringing in the horrific Patriot Act Mhmm. Giving the CIA unthinkable authority for secret prison prisons and torture beyond waterboarding and and secret renditions and all of that, the FBI, the ability to to, spy on Americans came out of the Patriot Act. So it was the perfect national security state, energizer that the Patriot Act was, and 70 of the congressmen and senators that read the Patriot Act didn't even read it. They just signed off on it without even reading the bill.”

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Nine eleven started as commercial insurance fraud. It was known in 1988 that the Twin Towers were condemned because they didn't wanna pay the $2,000,000,000 to dismantle the buildings the hard way. Controlled demolitions was forbidden. When that was briefed to Dick Cheney as secretary of defense, I believe he said, praise the lord. This is going to be a terrorism event that will give us a reason for invading Iraq and Afghanistan. And at that point, the nine eleven, which was planned and executed by the Zionists, which is not the Jews. When I say Zionists, I'm talking about what's called the red mafia. That's the Russians, Israelis, and Americans who are a criminal network that happens to control Benjamin Netanyahu. It does not control Donald Trump. People don't understand that Trump is biding his time. The NSA is not about solving problems or making America safe. It's about keeping the money moving. The second reason that the program was canceled was because it was starting to reveal all of the Americans who were complicit in nine eleven. The problem we have in The United States is that the intelligence community is all about spending a great deal of money doing very bad things. So let's say overall, there's about 300 things that the intelligence community should be reporting on. They don't. They report on two things, war and terrorism. And in both cases, they're the ones starting the wars and funding the terrorists.

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The FBI has expanded significantly, and its intelligence operations are problematic. I would close the Hoover building and reopen it as a museum, reallocating the 7,000 employees to focus on law enforcement across the country. They should be out there fighting crime instead of being tied to bureaucratic roles. The same applies to the Department of Justice; many are more focused on promotions and titles than on their duties. While it's essential to bring in qualified individuals, it's equally important to reduce the size of government.

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Yesterday's House vote wasn't directly on FISA or warrant requirements for surveilling Americans, but on bringing the issue before Congress, which failed. This is unfortunate because FISA will likely return without the warrant requirement. Section 702 of FISA has been chronically misused. A 2021 Inspector General report revealed roughly a third of 3.4 million database queries violated rules. There are a minimum of 10,000 people with access to this database, with many unknown entry points. No one has been held accountable. Problems disclosed in a 2017 FISA court report were supposedly addressed, but the 2021 Horowitz report showed problems have exponentially increased. I don't believe any reform can fix the structural problems with FISA. The intelligence community refuses warrants for surveilling Americans while Congress wants notification if they're surveilled, highlighting a broken system.

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The federal government claims to have foiled 17 terrorist plots in the past ten years. However, these plots were actually created and controlled by the government itself. Undercover agents targeted vulnerable individuals, often those with Muslim backgrounds, enticing them into participation. While no harm ever came to anyone, these individuals were convicted for crimes based on actions orchestrated by the government. This raises serious questions about the ethics and legality of such entrapment, the misuse of law enforcement resources, and the erosion of freedom when the government punishes thoughts rather than actions. We are left with a false sense of security, paying for a government that creates threats to then claim it is stopping them. This practice, far from keeping us safe, undermines the rule of law and limits our freedoms.

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This country is suffering under a government that is influenced by an anti-American faction, including universities, news media, corporate CEOs, and the bureaucracy. However, we have the ability to fight back. The truth is starting to emerge, especially with the FBI. The Durham report and the inspector general's report have exposed the corruption and politicization within the FBI. We need to break up the FBI and replace it with a more reasonable law enforcement system, removing the entire senior leadership. The investigations and actions taken by House Republicans are part of a counter offensive against the left. President Trump's non-establishment status is why they despise and fear him.

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We need to reduce government size, particularly within the FBI, which has expanded unnecessarily. The FBI's intel operations have caused significant issues, and I would repurpose the Hoover building into a museum while reallocating its 7,000 employees to focus on law enforcement, tackling crime directly. Government reform is essential, and collaboration with Congress is necessary to eliminate redundant positions. During my time as deputy DNI, we identified and cut unnecessary roles, which Congress appreciated as it saved money. Agencies often request more positions without justification, leading to unfilled roles and wasted budgets. It's a misconception that agencies can't return unused funds; they often spend unnecessarily to avoid returning money to Congress.

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The discussion centers on how politicization of intelligence has manifested in different eras, comparing past and present administrations. Speaker 0 asks whether the politicized weapons claims about Iraq and the CIA’s statements in the 1990s can be compared to today’s politicization of intelligence under John Ratcliffe and Tulsi Gabbard as head of DNI, arguing it is much worse now because of the mediocrity of those in control of key agencies. Speaker 1 counters by recalling the 1980s, noting that there was significant politicization of the Soviet threat to justify Reagan’s defense buildup, and adds that this is why he testified against Robert Gates in 1991. He asserts that politicization is bad, and insists that the current situation is worse than in the past. Speaker 1 explains: “It’s Because I look at the people who are ahead of these groups. Come on. Let’s be serious.” He targets the leadership of the director of national intelligence, the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and the CIA, saying, “Have you ever seen a cabinet in The United States of such mediocrity, of such venality?” He emphasizes his background, stating, “I haven’t,” and that nothing compares to what is going on now, warning that “a lot of damage is being done to The United States and to the constitution of The United States and to the importance of separation of powers and the importance of rule of law and the importance of checks and balances. This is very serious stuff.” Speaker 0 attempts to steer toward historical figures like Robert Maxwell, but Speaker 1 dismisses that concern as off point, insisting he is making a point about Israel. The exchange then shifts to U.S. support for Israel, with Speaker 1 asserting that “Israel gets what it wants from The United States. It gets it from democratic presidents and from republican presidents.” He also criticizes Barack Obama for signing what he calls “that ten year $40,000,000,000 arms aid agreement,” arguing that Obama “never should have signed” it “because they treated Obama so shabbily in the first place.”

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The Secret Service is refusing to cooperate, stonewalling efforts to uncover the facts. They have not testified or provided documents, which raises serious concerns. The director, Ron Rowe, should be removed for his inadequate response that endangered the president's life. This lack of transparency follows two assassination attempts and parallels the FBI's current stonewalling regarding drone incidents in New Jersey and elsewhere. It's time for accountability and a thorough overhaul of these agencies.

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This administration's talk about fighting waste, fraud, and abuse is a smokescreen. Their actions reveal a focus on promoting corruption. One of the first things they did was remove 17 inspector generals from federal departments and agencies. These are the people who fight corruption, with staffs dedicated to uncovering waste, self-dealing, bribery, and abuse. Last year alone, they saved us $93 billion. Meanwhile, people are being fired from important civil service positions, and this is not about eliminating waste, fraud, or abuse. It's a continuation of wiping out the anti-corruption infrastructure of the government.

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Speaker 0 recounts an argument with a friend during the Edward Snowden revelations about mass surveillance. He challenges the idea that “you can look at my shit. I’m not doing anything wrong. What do you care?” and questions who the so‑called perfect overseers are. He emphasizes that these are unelected bureaucrats who could have financial or power-based incentives to monitor, silence voices, or manipulate individuals by accessing emails and phone calls. Speaker 1 suggests that even if the current government is honorable, there is a risk that a future government could abuse surveillance. He warns that the next administration might come after people who dissent, like Joe Rogan, by digging through emails and targeting individuals for actions or statements they dislike. Speaker 0 recalls the debate around the NDAA during Obama’s presidency, describing it as the indefinite detention concept that did not require charging someone or timely trials. He notes the push for this provision and questions why it was pursued, implying it could be used to detain people indefinitely. Speaker 1 adds that they are concerned about who might wield power in future generations, asking “how many generations are we away from Hitler?” He argues that the founding fathers designed checks and balances precisely because they understood how corruption and tyranny can emerge when power concentrates. Speaker 0 asserts that eroding protections through measures like the Patriot Act, Patriot Act II, or the NDAA undermines the Constitution’s core idea, which is based on the belief that government must serve the people and that power corrupts. He emphasizes that those in power would act as tyrants if left unchecked, and warns that granting broad surveillance and detention powers threatens the “fabric” the country was created with. Speaker 1 and Speaker 0 together highlight a core concern: the risk of surveillance and detention powers being exploited by unscrupulous leaders in the future, undermining democratic principles and the safeguards designed to prevent tyranny. They stress the importance of checks and balances to prevent government overreach and the potential erosion of civil liberties in the face of expanding surveillance and security powers.

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We should question our trust in the FBI and DOJ regarding their ability to police themselves under FISA. They have consistently shown over the years that they cannot be trusted. Congress needs to address this issue and stop relying on the surveillance state to fix it, as it has proven ineffective. Trusting these agencies again would be unwise based on their track record.

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There’s a lack of empathy for regular people, but we can rely on the dedicated professionals in our intelligence agencies to protect our democracy and nation. These unsung heroes work quietly and will act to safeguard our institutions. The attorney general overseeing the FBI, CIA, and law enforcement won't allow anyone to dismantle these vital agencies. Such actions would only make us vulnerable to threats. If there were any risks, they would arise immediately if he were to take office, but he won't. Donald Trump will not be our next president.

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The RESTRICT Act is compared to the Patriot Act 2.0 for the Internet, as it would give unelected bureaucrats in the department of commerce unrestricted access to our personal data. This includes information from our computers, phones, security cameras, browsing history, and payment applications. The act eliminates transparency and criminalizes the use of VPNs, with severe penalties of up to 20 years in prison and hefty fines. Disturbingly, there is no opportunity to challenge this in court. This poses a direct threat to our constitutional rights, freedoms, and democracy. It is crucial that we prevent this from being passed.

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President Trump was almost jailed by his own Justice Department in his first term, due to figures like Jack Smith and Lisa Monaco. There should be a grand jury investigating the entire apparatus, as the problem is systemic, not just personnel-related. The FBI should be taken apart brick by brick, and its headquarters should be up for sale. The FBI's culture rewards corruption and cowardice in ethics and morality. The FBI has the best PR operation in Washington, D.C., making them untouchable, with no one in Congress willing to defang or cut their funding. Members of Congress are intimidated.

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Glenn Greenwald GOES OFF: Matt Walsh, ICE Face Scanning Protestors
Guests: Matt Walsh, Glenn Greenwald
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Glenn Greenwald joins the discussion to critique ICE and domestic surveillance practices, focusing on a Portland protest video where a speaker is told she is being placed in a database and labeled a domestic terrorist. The conversation expands to a broader critique of how U.S. authorities, after 9/11 and again under the Trump administration, have encouraged a centralized, data-driven security state that surveils citizens and keeps dossiers on political dissidents. The hosts and Greenwald argue that the expansion of surveillance powers—centralized databases, potential use of private contractors like Palantir, and the normalization of labeling protesters as terrorists—represents a constitutional and civil-liberties concern, not merely a security measure. They trace this pattern to post-9/11 policy shifts, court deference to the executive, and a reluctance in Congress to enact meaningful reform, framing it as part of a persistent cycle where emergencies justify encroachment on individual rights. The discussion also critiques how political actors on both sides of the aisle have justified expanded state power under the banner of national security, and how public tolerance for such overreach has shifted over decades. The hosts challenge consistency, noting past pro-Second Amendment rhetoric from right-wing figures contrasted with current gun-and-protest narratives that criticized armed demonstrators, highlighting perceived hypocrisy and the fragile balance between security and liberty.
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