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Vaccines don't cause autism. The science is clear. Vaccines don't cause autism. Vaccines do not cause autism. I do not deny that we need to do more about autism, but it has nothing to do with vaccines. We have thoroughly debunked any association between autism and these vaccines. Robert, it is nearly consensus in the scientific community that there's no link there. To deny a mountain of scientific evidence, which has already taught us that the combination of measles, mumps, rubella, or MMR vaccine doesn't cause autism, Vimerosal, an ethylmercury containing preservative that wasn't a number of vaccines doesn't cause autism, and that too many vaccines given too soon, if you will, doesn't also cause autism. We know that the schedule is safe. Are there peer reviewed scientific reports that indicate a link between No. Between vaccines and autism? No. Not only is there not a peer reviewed work, this is probably the most studied public health issue involving children. Vaccines are really the one thing we have looked at as causing autism. The Institutes of Medicine, the Centers for Disease Control have repeatedly investigated this. Vaccines do not cause autism. We don't need more research. At some point, enough is enough. It's fine to continue to collect data, but at some point, you have to take note for an answer. We're not sure what causes autism, but we know that vaccines do not. Mountains of evidence. No, you know, this has been looked at extensively. Nothing's been more studied in the world than this connection between vaccines and autism. We'd heard it. We've heard it for decades. You know, actually almost a century now, if you want to get into it. This has been the battle cry of the pharmaceutical industry and every shill that works for them. But whether you know it or not all the way back in 2020 for those of you that were watching then we actually disproved this myth right then. Debunked it with a lawsuit where we went at the CDC and said really if the head of your page on the CDC website says vaccines plural meaning all vaccines do not cause us to do we have that original website. This is what it said: vaccines do not cause autism. There it is. All vaccines doesn't say one of them or two of them all vaccines by the plural s at the end of vaccines. If vaccines do not cause autism will you please provide us with all of the evidence and studies that show that vaccines don't cause autism. Send us that evidence. Well they didn't and we sued them and we went to court. Back in 2020, we won the case. Here it looks like in the document. They gave us the list. It's actually 20 studies. 20 total studies make up the entire list of what they look to when they say that these childhood vaccines, the five, and the cumulative effects of them given in the first six months of life, do not cause autism. The first one is an MMR study. The second one an MMR and a DTaP study. The next ones are MMR, these four are MMR and Thimerosal studies. Then the next all the way through to 20 are all just Thimerosal studies. Lastly, we have one antigen study. Of the 20 studies, the first MMR studies are not in the first six months of life; Thimerosal studies show none of the vaccines in the first six months of life had Thimerosal. There was only one study relevant to the first six months of life, the IOM review of the DTaP vaccine, and it said there are no studies that prove or disprove the association with autism. Therefore, that was the only one that was relevant to the first six months of life, and it proved that they had no answers. And so for everyone that's ever sent Mountain of Evidence, that's been a lie. We won in court. It's a lie. You can take that to the bank. And actually just months after winning that lawsuit, that was in May, by August they pulled down the statement vaccines do not cause autism. We celebrated it but five months later it went back up and we've been stuck there with this propaganda statement that have no basis in science up until last night when this happened to the website. Let's see the new page. Here it is. It now says autism and vaccines and right under that it has the key points. So we read those key points. The claim vaccines do not cause autism is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism, meaning those vaccines in the first six months of life. Meaning the IOM lawsuit that proved that. Studies supporting a link have been ignored by health authorities. HHS has launched a comprehensive assessment of the causes of autism, including investigations on plausible biologic mechanisms and potential causal links. It does have an explanatory statement I want to read right now. It says this about why you will still see it with an asterisk the header vaccines do not cause autism has not been completely removed due to an agreement with the chair of the U.S. Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee that it would remain on the CDC website. Apparently, this was that backroom deal that was made with Senator Cassidy, of course, when Robert Kennedy Jr. was up there. But now you can see on the page it is clear we are making the statement or it's being made by the CDC that this is not a scientific statement and so ultimately this is a massive change. I tweeted out about it today and to every parent of an autistic child that's been out there. For every one of you that did interviews, whether in the film Vaxxed or when we toured the nation and for everyone that's ever been gaslit, the days of gaslighting are over. We are now moving into science-based, evidence-based statements on the CDC website. It's a beautiful day.

The speaker claims that the evidence around vaccines and autism in the U.S. consists of two flawed and fraudulent CDC studies. One study allegedly showed a statistically significant effect of the MMR vaccine, with 67% more boys receiving the vaccine on time being diagnosed with autism compared to those who waited until age three. The speaker says a whistleblower, Dr. William Thompson, came forward with this information in 2013 and 2014. The speaker also alleges that the Verstraten study in 2003 is flawed and fraudulent, accusing them of cherry-picking information from the Vaccine Safety Datalink. The speaker asserts there is a significant gap in the science around vaccines and autism, stating that safety cannot be determined by looking at one vaccine or component in isolation.

The speaker questions the safety of 5,000 micrograms for children under six. They claim many vaccine trials use an aluminum adjuvant containing placebo or other aluminum-containing vaccines as the control group. The speaker argues that because the control group receives aluminum, the study is invalidated. They further claim that countries with less aggressive vaccine schedules do not have significant trends in autistic diagnoses. They state that the Amish community, which is largely unvaccinated, has extremely low rates of autism diagnoses.

Speaker 0 argues that to determine whether smoking causes lung cancer, you must compare smokers to non-smokers. They recount a sequence of flawed study designs that would falsely conclude no link: comparing two smokers with different consumption levels and finding the same cancer rates; comparing different cigarette brands among smokers and again finding no difference; comparing people in different towns who all smoke and finding no difference. The point is that all these comparisons fail because they do not include a non-smoker control group; thus they cannot establish causation. They then contrast this with vaccine studies, asserting that studies claiming vaccines don’t cause chronic diseases or autism do not compare vaccinated to unvaccinated children. Instead, such studies compare vaccinated children to other vaccinated children, with variations in vaccines received (e.g., MMR, DTaP, multiple vaccines in one visit) and with differing aluminum exposures (e.g., four milligrams vs two milligrams). They emphasize that these studies never examine the actual outcome of interest by comparing vaccinated against unvaccinated children. The speaker maintains that this flaw in vaccine studies mirrors the earlier tobacco example. The essential argument is that the only way to determine causation is to compare the exposure group (vaccinated children) to an appropriate control group (unvaccinated children). They reference the Henry Ford trial as an example of an unvaccinated-versus-vaccinated comparison, but note that no one has published or accessible data from it. They call for someone brave enough to conduct and publish a vaccinated-versus-unvaccinated study to settle the issue. Finally, they challenge proponents of vaccination to conduct such a study to prove their position, insisting that if vaccines are truly safe and non-causal for chronic diseases or autism, the study should be done and the data published to demonstrate that the claim is correct. The overall message is a insistence on direct, unambiguous vaccinated-versus-unvaccinated comparisons to establish causality, highlighting perceived gaps in current vaccine research and urging transparent data publication.

The speaker discusses the length of clinical trials needed to determine if vaccines cause autism in children under 18 months. They mention that autism is generally diagnosed within the first couple of years of life and is believed to be a prenatal event. The speaker also states that vaccine trials typically require a year of follow-up. When asked about the number of children needed in clinical trials to detect autism and the trial duration, the speaker cannot provide specific numbers. They agree that the trials may not have been designed to determine if vaccines cause autism and suggest that larger database studies are needed. The speaker emphasizes that they are not stating vaccines cause autism.

The speaker believes someone is serious about MAHA and concerned that vaccines cause autism, a claim he previously made but then stopped. Robert Kennedy also believes this and commissioned a study of existing data, specifically US government datasets like CMS, Medicare, and Medicaid. The study aims to detect a connection between the expansion of the vaccine schedule and the rise in autism. While a connection cannot be definitively stated, it seems likely to the speaker, and the president is reportedly concerned about it.

Speaker 0 argues that a critical missing piece in autism research is vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies, and notes there are six good studies to rely on. They claim these studies have been systematically suppressed and ignored by the mainstream media and the medical establishment. The summary of specific study claims is as follows: - Two studies by Gallier and Goodman show that the birth dose of the hepatitis B vaccine significantly increases autism risk. - Three studies by Anthony Mawson confirmed that vaccination increases the odds of developing autism by at least 4.2-fold. - Preterm birth coupled with vaccination increases the odds of neurodevelopmental disability by more than 12-fold compared to preterm birth without vaccination. - A study by Hooker and Miller published in 2021 found that vaccination increases autism risk five-fold. - Vaccination in the absence of breastfeeding increases autism risk 12.5-fold. - Vaccination in addition to cesarean birth increases autism risk 18.7-fold. The speaker states that after conducting a systematic review of a thousand studies, their belief is that the autism and chronic disease epidemics are primarily caused by toxicants, mostly from vaccines and about a dozen additional toxicants.

The speaker discusses the complexity of vaccines and the correlation with autism rates. They compare the number of vaccines in the US to other countries and question why certain vaccines are not widely used. They criticize limited studies on vaccine safety and call for more thorough research. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the details and not dismissing concerns about vaccine safety. The speaker expresses frustration with those who do not thoroughly investigate the issue. Ultimately, the focus is on finding ways to help children without causing unnecessary conflict.

Vaccines cause autism, according to the speaker. They claim that a graph showing the percentage of vaccinated children versus the age of their first vaccination indicates a link between the MMR vaccine and autism. The speaker also suggests that there is a significant increase in autism incidence among children who receive the vaccine between 12 and 18 months compared to those who receive it after three years. They argue that the CDC refuses to conduct a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study because the results would reveal a high risk. The speaker questions the credibility of a study used to dismiss the vaccine-autism connection and calls for changes in vaccination policies.

The speaker claims epidemiological studies are easily manipulated and that proper studies comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated groups are lacking, except for a CDC study in 1999. This CDC study, led by Thomas Verstraten, allegedly compared children who received the hepatitis vaccine within the first thirty days of life to those vaccinated later or not at all. The speaker asserts the study found a 1,135% elevated risk of autism in vaccinated children, which "shocked" researchers. The speaker alleges the CDC then kept the study secret and manipulated it through five iterations to bury the link.

The speakers discuss the need for careful preclinical studies before licensing vaccines. They mention that large studies covering different age groups are necessary, but these data often come out later after the vaccine has been used in thousands or millions of people. The conversation then focuses on whether DTaP or Tdap vaccines cause autism. The Institute of Medicine (IOM) concludes that the evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between these vaccines and autism. While there are no studies showing a link, one study by anti-vaccination figures is mentioned, but it lacks legitimacy. The speakers emphasize the absence of positive evidence and the importance of administering vaccines to children. They also mention that there are no complaints about DTaP causing leprosy. The IOM's scientific review was conducted due to complaints about vaccines causing autism. Despite the lack of conclusive evidence, the pediatrician is willing to tell parents that vaccines do not cause autism or leprosy because they prioritize the child's health. The IOM did not review whether DTaP causes sleep issues.

The speaker discusses the length of clinical trials needed to determine if vaccines cause autism in children under 18 months. They mention that autism is generally diagnosed within the first couple of years of life and is believed to be a prenatal event. The speaker also states that vaccine trials typically require a year of follow-up. When asked about the number of children needed in clinical trials to detect autism caused by vaccines, the speaker cannot provide an exact number but suggests that larger numbers are necessary for rare events like autism. They agree that the trials may not have been designed to determine if vaccines cause autism and that larger database studies are needed. The speaker also mentions the need for longer tracking of safety to assess autism risk.

Speaker 0 describes a study on the hepatitis B vaccine, stating it is loaded with mercury during the first thirty days of life and comparing infants who received it in that period to those who did not or who received it later. He claims that the relative risk of smoking a pack a day for twenty years leading to lung cancer is ten, with a figure of 11.35, and attributes this to Thimerosal. Speaker 1 asks if the claim is about Thimerosal, and Speaker 0 confirms, then recounts a story that motivated his involvement: a “secret meeting” held to avoid on-campus exposure to freedom of information requests. The meeting occurred at Simpson Wood, a remote Methodist retreat center on the Chattahoochee River in Norcross, Georgia. Over two days, 52 attendees included major vaccine companies, regulatory agencies (WHO, CDC, FDA, NIH, HHS), and leaders in academic vaccinology. Megan recorded the first day, and Speaker 0 says he obtained the transcripts in 2005, calling them horrific. He invites listeners to read them on the Children’s Health Events site to judge for themselves, arguing the transcripts reveal “panjarums of the American healthcare system” and that regulators claimed the science was bulletproof while suggesting vaccines cause autism. Speaker 1 notes that Speaker 0 has previously claimed the conference revealed that vaccines cause autism and that data should be buried, referencing a January 2011 Rolling Stone article and a Salon piece that later withdrew the article. He mentions an eighteen-month US Senate committee investigation that found allegations of CDC misconduct unsubstantiated and concluded there was no cover-up. Speaker 0 clarifies it was a two-year committee hearing led by Senator Burton at the Governmental Oversight Committee, and asserts that vaccines do cause autism, while encouraging listeners to research the science themselves rather than trust him or the organizations cited. Speaker 0 then attacks the credibility and funding of CDC, NIH, and the American Academy of Pediatrics, claiming they are “bought and paid for,” with statistics he cites: FDA is funded 45% by the pharmaceutical industry; the AAP allegedly gets 80% of its money from industry; and the CDC spends 4,900,000,000 of its 12,000,000,000 annual budget. Speaker 1 pushes back by noting that parents within these organizations vaccinate their own children against vaccines that include thimerosal, asking rhetorically whether they are willingly harming their children, and suggesting a broader government conspiracy. Speaker 0 then directs Speaker 1 to the movie Dopesick for further context, contrasting it with opioid prescriptions, and asserts that doctors treated patients and their own children with opioids because they believed FDA guidance. Overall, the dialogue centers on thimerosal in early vaccines, alleged hidden meetings and data suppression, controversial media coverage of vaccines-autism links, and critical claims about regulatory agency funding and conduct, culminating in comparisons to pharmaceutical and medical industry dynamics.

Autism is caused by vaccines, according to the speaker. The CDC's VirTrak study from 1989 showed a 1350% elevated risk for autism among children who received the hepatitis B vaccine in their first 30 days. A series of 13 studies were allegedly done by people paid by the CDC to create the illusion that vaccines don't cause autism. The chief scientist, Paul Thornsen, is a fugitive wanted by Interpol for stealing millions from the CDC that he claimed to use for the study. His study is considered fraudulent but has not been retracted. The speaker claims there are hundreds of studies linking autism and neurological injuries to vaccines, citing a book with 1,400 references and over 400 studies. The speaker believes the CDC is a dishonest organization owned by the pharmaceutical industry and promotes propaganda that vaccines don't cause autism.

The speaker states they would not give their children the measles, mumps vaccine, claiming that deaths from measles primarily occurred in the early 1900s and among malnourished children. They allege vitamin A is a cure for measles and that contracting measles can lead to greater resistance to cancers, allergies, and heart disease. Regarding an outbreak in Samoa, the speaker claims they did not convince people to avoid the measles vaccine, asserting a ban was already in place after deaths caused by a bad vaccine imported from Australia. They state that the neighboring island of Tonga, which did not use the vaccine, had no deaths. The speaker maintains that vaccines cause autism, citing a CDC study that showed an elevated risk of autism among children who received the hepatitis B vaccine. They allege that studies disproving this link were conducted by "biostitutes" paid by the CDC and that the lead scientist, Paul Thorensen, is a fugitive wanted for fraud. The speaker claims there are hundreds of studies linking autism and neurological injuries to vaccines and recommends their book with 1400 references and over 400 studies.

Designing a clinical trial for a vaccine given to children under 18 months to determine if it causes autism requires a long follow-up period. Autism is typically diagnosed within the first two years, and many theories suggest it is a prenatal condition. Vaccine trials usually have a follow-up period of about a year. The number of children needed in trials to detect autism is unclear, but larger sample sizes are necessary for rare events. The trials for vaccines like MMR were likely not designed to assess autism risk adequately. A longer follow-up period and larger sample sizes would be needed to capture enough cases. Ultimately, the trials did not sufficiently rule out a link between vaccines and autism.

Mainstream media claims that the link between autism and vaccines has been debunked through studies. However, these studies only examined the MMR vaccine and thimerosal. The Institute of Medicine stated that vaccines administered during the first six months of life have never been studied for a link to autism. The vaccines given in the first six months include DTaP, hep B, and pneumococcal. The only vaccine studied was DTaP, and the study showed a link to autism. However, the Institute of Medicine discounted the study because it was based on the CDC's VAERS system, which they deemed too unreliable for studying vaccine injury. They stated that the CDC's only surveillance system is inadequate for conducting reliable studies.

The speakers discuss the need for careful preclinical studies before licensing vaccines. They mention that large studies covering different age groups are necessary, but these data often come later after the vaccine has been used in thousands or millions of people. The conversation then focuses on whether DTaP or Tdap vaccines cause autism. The Institute of Medicine (IOM) concludes that the evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between these vaccines and autism. While there are no studies showing a link, one study by anti-vaccination figures is mentioned, but it lacks legitimacy. The speakers emphasize that there is no positive evidence to disprove the link. However, as a physician, one speaker states that vaccines do not cause autism and that they prioritize the health of the child over waiting for conclusive scientific evidence. The discussion also briefly mentions the possibility of DTaP causing leprosy, although there are no complaints about it. The IOM's review did not cover this topic.

Kendall asks for an explanation of the process by which the MMR vaccine causes autism, referencing the movie Vaxxed. Speaker 2 responds that they are currently researching those questions, as parents and physicians have reported children developing autism immediately after the MMR vaccine. The speaker claims studies that should have been done long ago were not. Instead, the speaker alleges that captured researchers at the CDC, mainly people who work for the pharmaceutical industry, produced bad epidemiological studies. The speaker asserts that these studies deliberately avoided comparing health outcomes in vaccinated versus unvaccinated groups. Speaker 0 states that this is one of the things they are studying now with gold standard science. Speaker 2 confirms they are doing gold standard science, which includes replication. They are allocating about 20% of their budget to replicating studies. Speaker 0 explains replication as an independent group repeating a study with the same parameters and data sets to achieve the same result. Speaker 2 agrees.

The speaker states they would not give their children the measles, mumps vaccine, claiming that measles was deadly in the early 1900s, but is now easily survivable, especially with Vitamin A. They claim studies show that contracting measles can make children healthier and more resistant to diseases later in life. The speaker denies causing a measles outbreak in Samoa, stating the Prime Minister had already banned the vaccine after deaths, and that people died from a bad vaccine imported from Australia, not measles. The speaker asserts that vaccines cause autism, citing a CDC study that showed an elevated risk of autism in children who received the hepatitis B vaccine within their first 30 days. They claim that studies disproving this link were fraudulent, conducted by "biostitutes" paid by the CDC, and that the lead scientist, Paul Thorensen, is a fugitive wanted for stealing money. The speaker claims there are hundreds of studies linking vaccines to autism and neurological injuries.

The speaker references a study linked in a functional nurse program about an autopsy on a four-month-old baby boy who died of SIDS, noting that the aluminum content in the baby's brain was far higher than expected and asking where that aluminum comes from. They discuss the hepatitis B vaccine in relation to newborns, and claim that babies receive many injections—by six years old “they go to the doctor so many times they get like 70 shots” and that all of these have aluminum, asserting that “90 and it’s toxic.” The speaker asserts a belief that humans are born with everything they need, emphasizing sunshine, healthy water, and food, and stating that fasting can help heal the body, while claiming that injecting babies with toxins is never the right or healthy choice. They state that babies are dying at an exponential rate from mothers getting the COVID vaccine, alleging that spike proteins cause clots and disruption, and that childhood shots contain neurotoxins, leading to the claim that every doctor visit poisons babies more. The speaker also notes that a recent release stated vaccines don’t cause autism, asserting that claim was never based on any evidence.

The speaker states that previous CDC studies on autism were epidemiological and designed to avoid finding a link. They claim the Institute of Medicine criticized the CDC's vaccine schedule decision-making, alleging the ASIP panel was captured by industry due to financial entanglements. The speaker says the Institute of Medicine recommended various studies, including animal models, which the CDC allegedly ignored, opting instead for manipulated epidemiological studies. They claim these studies didn't compare fully vaccinated to unvaccinated groups. According to the speaker, a 1999 CDC study led by Thomas Verstraten found an 1135% elevated autism risk in vaccinated children. They allege the CDC concealed and manipulated this study to bury the link by removing older children from the data and using other statistical tricks. The speaker asserts that over 100 external studies indicate a link between vaccines and autism.

The speaker states they would not give their children the measles, mumps vaccine, claiming that measles was only deadly in the early 1900s due to malnutrition. They allege vitamin A is now a cure and that contracting measles can make children healthier, more resistant to diseases like cancer and heart disease. Addressing an incident in Samoa, the speaker denies convincing people to avoid the measles vaccine, asserting a ban was already in place after deaths caused by a bad vaccine imported from Australia. They claim no one died from measles itself, but from the vaccine. The speaker maintains that vaccines cause autism, citing a CDC study that showed an elevated risk of autism in children who received the hepatitis B vaccine. They allege that studies disproving this link were fraudulent, conducted by "biostitutes" paid by the CDC, and that the lead scientist is now a fugitive wanted for embezzlement. The speaker claims there are hundreds of studies linking vaccines to autism and neurological injuries.

Exhibit 22 is an excerpt from the IOM's report discussing whether DTaP or TDaP cause autism. The IOM concluded that there is inadequate evidence to determine a causal relationship. Speaker 1 points out that there are no studies showing that vaccines cause autism, except for one study by Guyer and Guyer, who lack legitimacy. They emphasize the need for a proper study involving controlled administration of vaccines. Speaker 1, as a physician, cannot definitively say vaccines do not cause autism, but they believe they do not. Speaker 0 questions if it is appropriate to make that claim without scientific evidence. Speaker 1 argues that they prioritize the child's health and are willing to say vaccines do not cause autism. The IOM did not review if DTaP causes leprosy.