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Free Palestine is a cult. What we're seeing with the Free Palestine Movement is that it is radicalizing people on both the far right and the far left, which is something that we don't see very often. I suspect we're going to be seeing it more because of the advent of social media and the internet. Free Palestine has never really been about Palestine. It's an anti Western movement. You need to be really careful if your kids are consuming this type of content. It's really misleading, but it's very convincing. On the outside, it is a very convincing movement to make people believe that Israel is evil and Palestinians are honorable and fighting for justice. I'm not saying that Palestinians are all bad people. And if you're starting to feel anti American sentiments or thinking that maybe you should go out and murder some strangers to free Palestine, seek help. Seriously, seek help.

In recent days, many Democrats and progressives have been awakened to the issue of antisemitism on the left. It is surprising that some people are more shocked by the dehumanizing language used by world leaders to describe Hamas than by the actions carried out by Hamas itself.

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 discuss a historic shift in American public opinion regarding the Israel-Palestine conflict. - Speaker 1 notes that public opinion on who voters sympathize with shifted dramatically in the wake of the current war. In October 2023, Americans favored Israel by 48 points; now, they favor the Palestinians by 1 point. He says he reviewed polls since the question began in the 1980s and that this is the first time Palestinians lead on this question, marking a historic shift away from the Israeli position toward the Palestinians. - He emphasizes that the shift was led by Democrats, moving from Democrats favoring Israel by 26 points to Palestinians by 46 points, describing it as a roughly 70-point swing and stating that, for the first time ever, more Americans sympathize with the Palestinians over the Israelis. - Speaker 0 adds that the shift is “a first that I have seen in my lifetime” and credits independent media and journalists reporting from Gaza for bringing images to social media, including images of civilians and alleged Israeli actions. He asserts that without on-the-ground reporting, people wouldn’t have seen certain images, asserts that journalists were killed by the IDF, and claims those images contributed to waking people up. - He contends that APAC is panicking, citing a new ad and a rebranding as “America first,” and argues Israel has lost the media war and the narrative, including some conservative and evangelical support (referencing Charlie Kirk’s base). - Speaker 1 details a parallel shift within the Republican Party, noting a significant age-based divide. Among Republicans over 50, they sympathize with Israel by 66 points; among those under 50, they sympathize with the Palestinians by 25 points. This creates about a 40-point gap, with younger Republicans leaning more toward the Palestinians than older Republicans. - Speaker 0 adds that Israel has hired pro-Israel influencers—paid about $7,000 per post—targeting the youth to reel back pro-Israel sentiment in the conservative youth vote. He notes these influencers were primarily young, implying a deliberate strategy to mobilize younger voters, while older voters are less in need of such outreach. - The speakers conclude that this combination of media exposure, shifts in party and demographic alignments, and targeted influencer campaigns constitutes a broad, historic realignment in American attitudes toward the conflict.

The discussion centers on a leaked document detailing private international focus groups and surveys funded by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) to test messaging for Israel after the war and to regain international legitimacy. The project included 15 focus groups (six in the United States, three in the United Kingdom, Germany, and France each), plus quantitative testing with 8,050 interviews (3,250 in the US, 1,200 in the UK, Germany, France, and Spain) as a baseline, and animatic testing with 5,600 interviews (4,000 in the US and 1,600 in the UK and Europe) to test specific messages, tone, and delivery. The aim is to determine how to shift global perceptions of Israel and avoid further isolation. The document, attributed to the Stagwell Group (Mark Penn’s firm) and the MFA, shows substantial investment in audience research, including focus groups and telephone interviews, to identify levers that could move public opinion from current baseline views toward greater international legitimacy for Israel. A striking takeaway cited is a recommendation to ramp up Islamophobia in messaging, arguing that when Israel is compared to Iran or Hamas, people tend to prefer Israel. The research also surveyed European attitudes toward Muslim immigrants and found underlying hostility in parts of Europe, which the MFA’s messaging strategy suggests Israel should lean into by contrasting itself with Hamas and Iran as standing up against a perceived threat. Key findings highlighted include: - International attitudes toward Israel are consistently worse in Europe (UK, France, Spain) than in the US, with Spain showing particularly negative views. Most Europeans support the Palestinians, except in Germany where support for Israel is stronger, though they recoil against both Hamas and Iran. - When Israel is compared to Hamas or Iran, Israel polls relatively better; when asked to choose between Palestinians and Israelis, Palestinians generally win, especially among younger cohorts. - The juxtaposition Israelis versus Palestinians is more favorable to Israel in the US than in Europe. In Europe (UK, France, Spain) there is greater favorability toward the Palestinians, while Germany and the US show more favorability toward Israel. - Youth attitudes show a shift: Gen Z in the UK and Germany are more likely to support Palestinians over Israel, with stark percentages (e.g., UK Gen Z 65-35, Germany Gen Z 63-37; in Spain, a near-universal tilt toward Palestinians). - Page-level cross-national comparisons show the most powerful countries (US, Germany) still leaning toward Israel, while the least powerful (Spain) lean toward the Palestinians. Gen Z across European countries shows increasing Palestinian support relative to older cohorts. - The document also notes misperceptions about casualty figures in Gaza: Spaniards 40,000; French 30,000; British 25,000; Germans and Americans 10,000. It also asks respondents whether those killed were mostly Hamas terrorists or civilians, with a majority in all regions believing civilians were mostly killed, including the US being the lowest but still majority civilian casualties believed. - If actual casualty numbers are higher than perceived, Israel believes attitudes could shift; the research tracks what people think about who was killed to anticipate messaging impact. Additional context: - The MFA’s Hasbara efforts have received substantial funding since October 7, fueling this extensive research program. - The document discusses potential post-war strategies, including the controversial idea of elevating ISIS-linked groups (Abu Shabab) to portray Hamas as more moderate, thereby arguing that no partners for peace exist and reshaping regional narratives—though this raises concerns about long-term consequences. - The discussion notes that the research was leaked and was originally intended to remain private, with the Commission of the Israeli MFA funding this line of propaganda-adjacent work. The conversation concludes with reflections on how the tone and content of messaging may evolve, acknowledging that some strategies may not move the US as much as other audiences, and noting the potential for a new chapter in the propaganda effort.

We have a generational issue with young people supporting Israel less. We need to address this quickly. The divide is not left vs. right but young vs. old. The language used by activists has shifted towards Iranian propaganda. We must act fast to counter this trend.

We have a generational issue with young people supporting Israel less. The next generation is influenced by Iranian propaganda, seen in groups like Students for Justice in Palestine. Their language changed quickly on October 8th, adopting anti-Israel rhetoric. This shift is concerning and needs attention. The focus should be on understanding why young people are swayed by Iran's influence.

I teach at Duke University and notice that many college students today view the world through a lens where those with less power are seen as being wronged and therefore right. This mindset leads them to automatically support the underdog, even without fully understanding the situation. After a recent event on October 7th, many young people quickly sided with Palestinians without considering the full context, sometimes even supporting Hamas.

The speaker discusses how the TikTok ban bill was introduced by a congressman who received significant contributions from Zionists, Google, and Palantir. They suggest a connection between the Israel lobby and the bill, as well as Zionists potentially buying TikTok. The speaker highlights censorship of pro-Palestine content on TikTok and the generational divide in support for Israel. They emphasize a "TikTok problem" for Zionists and the need to focus on the next generation. The speaker questions the government's narrative and suggests a focus on China.

"But October 7 in the Hamas raid in Southern Israel changed minds on this app. Explain how." "over 60% of the content that is pro Hamas, pro Palestine content, it's actually generated in Bangladesh, Malaysia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and then it is actually amplified in TikTok users' feeds in The United States." "the majority of the anti Israel content, it's actually generated and created overseas, and then the algorithm is tailored to push that content here in America." "it's not actually generated here in The United States. It's not a reflection of the sentiment here in The United States." "But think about the fact that in Israel, they have TikTok, and in Israel, they have manipulated the algorithm to show 90% of the sentiment is for pro Hamas in Israel." "Do you really think that Israelis after October 7 feel that that is the case?"

The TikTok ban is not about China but Israel, as seen through censorship of hashtags. Lawmakers claim China can suppress content and spy on users, but evidence suggests otherwise. Money from Israel lobbies influences votes on the bill. The ban threatens free speech and journalism on TikTok. Resistance grows stronger with oppression. The urgency to ban TikTok is due to Israel's influence and upcoming elections. The focus should be on uniting against this threat, not on left-right divides. Young people's support for Israel is not based on political affiliation. The need for action is urgent.

I teach at Duke University and observe that many college students today view the world through a lens where marginalized groups are always right. This mindset leads them to automatically support the underdog, even in complex situations like the conflict between Israel and Palestine. After October 7th, many young people quickly sided with Palestinians without fully understanding the situation, sometimes even supporting Hamas.

The speaker discusses how the TikTok ban bill was introduced by a congressman with significant contributions from Zionists and tech companies. They suggest a connection between the Israel lobby and efforts to buy TikTok. A clip from the ADL chief highlights a generational divide in support for Israel. Pro-Palestine content on TikTok is censored, indicating a bias. The speaker questions the government's narrative and emphasizes the importance of addressing the TikTok issue.

Polling indicates that support for Israel in the United States is divided by age, not political affiliation. Young people are expressing shockingly high levels of support for the Hamas massacre being justified. There is a Gen Z and TikTok problem that requires immediate attention from the Jewish community. Activist groups like Students for Justice in Palestine and Jewish Voice for Peace adopted Iranian propaganda-like language rapidly after October 8th, with toolkits referencing "Zionist entities." This shift suggests a deeper issue involving Iran's propaganda infiltrating American activism, differing from previous interactions with groups like NIAC. The focus should be on the younger generation and the influence of Iranian narratives.

"But I also wanna point out that we have a major, major, major generational problem." "All the polling I've seen, ADL's polling, ICC's polling, independent polling suggests this is not a left right gap, folks." "The issue in The United States' support for Israel is not left and right." "It is young and old." "The numbers of young people looking to cabazes, you know, massacre was justified as shockingly and terrifyingly high." "We really have a TikTok problem, a Gen Z problem that our community needs to put." "It's the wrong game." "Last week, I'll just say, we saw a dramatic change in the language of the activists here in America on October 8."

Students in universities, whether American or on student visas, expressing support for Hamas should face serious consequences. This support is not about aiding Palestinians but endorsing terrorism. Their student visas should be revoked, and measures like reinstating the travel ban should be considered. The rise of anti-Semitism in the country is alarming and distressing for the Jewish community. Many individuals, particularly young people, seem unaware that Hamas represents terrorism at its worst.

There is a generational divide in the US regarding support for Israel, with younger people showing high levels of support for actions like the Gaza massacre. The speaker emphasizes the need for the Asian community to address this issue quickly, as groups like Students for Justice in Palestine and Jewish Voices for Peace have shifted their language to align with Iranian propaganda. This change was observed on October 8th, with a rapid shift in messaging. The speaker calls for urgent action to address this issue.

- Speaker 1 argues that many people involved in certain activities are motivated by bounties and money, suggesting that some might be doing it for personal gain rather than ideological reasons. They say: “a lot of these people are just sacks of shit that are going for a bounty,” and imply that some individuals could be MK Ultra, calling it “kinda cooler” than being a mercenary for a bounty. - They discuss the idea that bounties are paid by various actors, mentioning “billionaires and shit” and suggesting that “this works both ways.” They imply that anti-Israel sentiment could also be tied to people being paid. - The conversation shifts to media manipulation, attributing influence to Larry Ellison as a “shadow president” who is allegedly buying up the media. They imply this is to control the narrative after a crisis, describing the media consolidation as a response to a failure to manage public perception. - The speakers claim that the reason for frantic media buying is a loss of the next generation of trauma-absorbing minds, alleging that on TikTok, “these psychopaths bragged about crimes they did to people.” They assert that young people (referred to as “Zoomies” or “the next generation”) in America and elsewhere were exposed to woke programming, which the oligarchs allegedly fear will backfire on them. - They claim that Israel has not had woke programming for the last twelve years, using that as a marker to identify who is involved in the propaganda, stating Israel lacks awareness of sensitivities around gender issues and that this helps identify participants in the propaganda. - The discussion moves to a broader media and censorship critique, with Speaker 1 predicting that Barry Weiss being put in charge will not go well, referencing a town hall as evidence of a poorly received event. - The conversation also touches on personal safety concerns related to speaking out, noting that talking about these topics can lead to danger, including the potential for being killed. They reference Charlie Kirk and a Pegasus hack incident as examples of such risks, and mention a Bohemian Grove reference in relation to Jimmy. - Overall, the dialogue weaves together themes of bounty-driven participation, MK Ultra speculation, media consolidation by influential figures, the perceived weaponization of woke politics, generational media influence via TikTok, and personal safety concerns for public commentators.