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Speaker 0 introduces a moment to hear what the crowd thinks, noting skepticism about whether there will be opportunity to see it. Speaker 1 says they don’t know who’s whispering to the speaker, likening it to Grima Wormtongue, and asserts that half the people from their movement aren’t on Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin’s team. They say: “We aren’t neocons. We aren’t war hawks. We want America first. And if you make me choose between America first and MAGA, it’s America first all day. That’s what MAGA was supposed to be. You were just the best vessel for it, bro. Don’t get it twisted.” Speaker 2 contends that despite Trump’s flaws, including insider trading, they’re glad he’s differentiating and saying “you’re not with me because I’m not with you.” They reject being associated with someone they describe as a “cool corrupt kid” and a “Jeffrey Epstein class table.” They claim Trump “wasn’t loyal to his original mission. He wasn’t loyal to America. He became a creature of Israel and Benjamin Netanyahu,” and that all “his never troubled enemies are now the courtiers with the madness of King Lear” telling him the lies they want to hear, and declare they are not one of those people. Speaker 3 argues that this proves multiple things, including that “the first thing, he shouldn’t be in office anymore. Implement the twenty fifth.” They say Trump isn’t loyal to this country or to anybody except “that little country in the Middle East.” They note it’s as if he does what he’s told, and compare him unfavorably to JFK for telling that country no. They ask, “How can you call them losers when you lose to Bibi Netanyahu in Israel every single day? When’s the last time you told them no to anything?” Speaker 0 shifts to a personal jab, saying Brigitte Macron is far more beautiful than Candace Owens, and asserts he’s been blind across the Internet. They reference reactions on Truth Social, noting “they’ve turned on you.” They catalog some responses: “You are way out of line.” They remind that many were once day ones, including Alex Jones, who had Trump on his show when “no media company would have you on.” They summarize: people are telling Trump to take a step back and “get back to America first.” Others say, “You are just going against everyone that fought for him to win just because of the Epstein files and being at war with Iran for Israel.” They quote: “We didn’t leave MAGA. MAGA left them. Clearly, you are insane. Time to resign, Donald or face the twenty fifth. You are mentally and emotionally unfit to be POTUS.” Additional insults follow: “You are so childish. Clearly, the truth has triggered you being one of your biggest supporters. I am done with you and your lies.” They claim Trump bent the knee to a monster, leaving a mess in the country, and, finally, describe a recurring social media pattern: “this was the most brutal and sadly a recurring response all across social media.” Speaker 0 adds that a tweet about Charlie suggested he would be on a list if they hadn’t killed him, asserting that “there is no truth and there is no loyalty within you.”

Speaker 0: I'm a never Trump guy. I never liked him. Just kidding. do you believe Donald Trump who always tells the truth? Speaker 1: I cannot stand Trump because I think he's a fraud. Well, think he's a total fraud that is exploiting these people who is a total fraud. Speaker 2: Like you said, I I agree with you on Trump because I don't think that he's the person I I I don't think he actually cares about folks. Speaker 0: Definitely there is definitely an element of Donald Trump support that has its basis in racism or xenophobia. I think there's a chance if Trump has a really good chance of winning that I might have to hold my nose and and vote for Hillary Clinton. I’m gonna vote third party because I can't stomach Trump. I think that he's noxious and is leading the white working class to a very dark place.

Speaker 0 accuses Speaker 1 of being a corrupt politician. Speaker 1 responds by mentioning that 50 former national intelligence officials and the heads of the CIA have dismissed the accusations as false. Speaker 0 dismisses this as another Russia hoax. Speaker 1 tries to steer the conversation back to the issue of race.

The speaker discusses the claim that Donald Trump is racist, recalling the "very fine people on both sides" comment. The speaker then shares a video that includes Trump saying he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists. The speaker notes the persistence of the "very fine people" narrative, even after Snopes debunked it in 2024. The speaker presents instances that appear to contradict the racism claim, including Trump's interactions with Jesse Jackson, Whoopi Goldberg, and Oprah, as well as stories of him giving loans to Black entrepreneurs in the 90s. The speaker shares an instance of someone claiming Trump has condemned white supremacy over 20 times, but the person they were speaking to was uninterested in seeing the evidence. The speaker then references Yuri Bezmenov's idea that demoralized people are unable to assess true information. The speaker concludes by suggesting that attacks on populist candidates ultimately threaten everyone, and asks viewers to share moments that changed their minds about Trump's alleged racism.

The speaker argues that “there is no way we are going to allow a con artist to take over the conservative movement,” claiming Donald Trump is a con artist and “all bluster, very little substance.” They say Trump is disgraceful for allegedly “pimp[ing] out our proud servicemen and women” to the Prince of Saudi Arabia, and therefore “unfit to serve as our commander in chief.” The speaker addresses Trump supporters directly, saying they do not know who they are or why they support him. They call Trump a “bully” and criticize him for feeding a narrative of anger, bitterness, and frustration. The speaker references Trump saying John McCain “isn’t a war hero,” and says McCain sought “his own five military deferments.” They claim the Constitution requires Congress’s express consent for going to war and frames Trump as unfit on that basis. The speaker asserts Trump has “no ideas of any substance” on important issues, including “the nuclear codes of the United States,” calling Trump “erratic.” They describe him as “race baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot.” They also claim “The military isn’t even gonna follow his orders,” noting that the Trump campaign “was forced to change their position” to try to change the law so “the military can operate within the law.” They further describe Trump as a “kook” and “crazy” and say that even if there are not many “outright Nazis,” there are “plenty of cowards and bootlickers.” They warn about the consequences of Trump encouraging wrongdoing, saying Trump says things like “Go ahead and kill the families… torture… go further than waterboarding,” and that it is “not clear” Trump will have anyone’s back if people follow or do not follow those orders. The speaker argues Trump is “oftentimes about Donald Trump,” contrasts competing claims using “Today, do you believe Donald Trump… Or do you believe that woman on that tape?” They say Trump “doesn’t represent my party” or “the values that the men and women who wear the uniform are fighting for.” They also allege Trump supporters were told “to basically beat up the people who are in the crowd and he’ll pay their legal fees.” The speaker claims there is “definitely” an element of Trump support based on “racism or xenophobia,” and says service members should not be treated as “prostitutes” or “pimp[ed].” They conclude by saying they “can’t stomach Trump,” calling him “noxious,” claiming he is leading the “white working class to a very dark place,” and stating that regardless of the election outcome, many on the right, in the media, and voters will have to explain and justify how they “fell into this trap” of supporting Trump.

Speaker 0 frames the Trump phenomenon as a 'transcendent belief system' and 'the belief system that offers you the answer to everything, the past, the present, the future,' with 'the end justifies the means belief system.' Speaker 1 argues the ruling belief system is 'grounded in racism' and 'presents an image of bringing the country back to a white majority and white power,' noting many bought in while others followed. He calls it a national-scale cult and says, for many MAGA supporters, 'make America great again' meant 'getting rid of the black and brown people.' He adds the country 'was founded on racism, has been built on racism, and nothing's ever really been done to sort of wipe that out of people's psyches.' To the MAGA crowd, 'they don't care what the price of eggs is.' He sees this as 'salvation' and that brutality and cruelty have accelerated this year.

Speaker 1 clarifies that he was not calling Trump supporters garbage, reading: "I refer to the hateful rhetoric about Puerto Rico spewed by Trump's supporter at his Madison Square Garden rally as garbage, which is the only word I can think of to describe it. His demonization of Latinos is unconscionable." "That's all I meant to say." "The comments the comments at the rally don't reflect who we are as a nation." "No." "He does not view Trump supporters or anybody who who supports Trump as garbage." He adds: "If the president has said this for more than three years now, he has said multiple times that he is a president for all. It doesn't matter if you live in a red state. It doesn't matter if you live in a blue state." "He believes that he's a president for all."

The speaker claims the president is determined to disregard experts and perpetuate a myth of America as a nation that treated people well and was founded solely on its own merits. They assert that America's independence is celebrated on stolen Native American land, overlooked by presidents who owned slaves or oversaw the desecration of native lands. The speaker suggests that Trump's "Make America Great Again" slogan resonates with white resentment, offering a sense of victimhood to those worried about America's browning. Instead of embracing a future that acknowledges America's true history, the speaker believes President Trump aligns himself with the myth of America.

Michelle: “We love you. I will see you tomorrow. Until then, have a great rest of your evening.” Speaker 1: “Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo. It’s going to be only America first. America first. The American people will come first once again.”

Speaker 0: Let me ask you tonight. Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist? Speaker 1: Yes. I do. Speaker 0: This is what kicking the shit out of fascism looks like. Speaker 2: Try to prevent the spread of the lawlessness and the fascist chaos that's been unleashed against us. Speaker 1: So when we say Donald Trump is a fascist, fascism, a huge component of fascism, is uniting racism, bigotry, a form of racist nationalism. Speaker 0: This is we are now living in a fascist dictatorship. Speaker 1: Mhmm. And we are worried about potential rise of fascism in this country. We're worried about our democracy falling to an authoritarian and potentially fascist form of government. Speaker 0: Not only to roll over to Donald Trump's will, but to roll over our democracy and allow him to take over this country as a fascist dictator. Speaker 1: When fascism isn't just coming, it's already here. Speaker 0: The former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, Mark Milley, said, no one has ever been more dangerous to this country than Donald Trump, and he is a fascist to his core.

Speaker 0: We already have a n-word mayor. We don't need any more n-word big shots. Speaker 1: Poor kids are just as bright and tall as white kids. Speaker 0: The first mainstream African American was clean and nice. Speaker 1: If you have a problem figuring out whether you're premier Trump and you ain't black. Speaker 0: A Black woman helped me stay sequestered by stocking shelves. Speaker 0: Our community is as diverse as the Bronx, Miami, and San Antonio. Speaker 1: The Latino community is incredibly diverse, unlike the African American community. Speaker 1: Cancel it, Miguel. That's how you play.

Speaker 0: Oppose white supremacists. Don't single out the press. Speaker 1: We already have a black mayor. No need for more black big shots. Speaker 0: Determine if you support Trump, you're not black. Can't go to a 711 without an Indian accent. Speaker 2: We used to joke about that, but he was a friend, mentor, and a great guy.

Speaker 0 questions Speaker 1, a mother of two daughters, about Trump's "grab them by the pussy" comment. Speaker 0 asks if that language makes Speaker 1 feel that Trump is not her guy. Speaker 1 responds that she would "rather be grabbed by the pussy than have a pussy for president" and that she is happy with that language, claiming everyone uses rude language behind closed doors. She then brings up Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. Speaker 0 reiterates she is talking about the current president-elect, not the past. Speaker 1 says she is not offended by Trump's comments from 8 years ago and tells Speaker 0 to deal with her own issues. Speaker 0 asks if anyone is remotely concerned about the nature of Trump. Speaker 1 responds that America needed someone with a strong lead who would stand up for white and black people, bring back jobs, allow Americans to have weapons, and ensure a conservative Supreme Court. She states that is why pollsters, broadcasters, commentators, and pundits were wrong.

Speaker 0 claims the Department of Government Efficiency found hundreds of billions in fraud, but Speaker 1 denies any fraud was found. Speaker 0 alleges Social Security is paying people over 220 years old, which Speaker 1 disputes. Speaker 1 criticizes Trump's anti-immigrant stance and calls Musk a "thug." Speaker 0 defends Trump, suggesting he might be the greatest president in modern American history. Speaker 1 calls Speaker 0 "deluded" for supporting Trump, characterizing Trump as rude, nasty, and racist. Speaker 0 accuses others of being in a cult, claiming they try to stop people from talking to those with different ideas. Speaker 0 says things got "hot" and troopers asked him to leave. Speaker 0 then shares the speech he planned to give, emphasizing that all are Americans with First Amendment rights and should unite to eliminate corruption.

Speaker 0 asks Speaker 1 if they believe white people should pay reparations, claiming Speaker 1 tweeted in January 2020, "Yes, the North. Yes. All of us. Yes. America. Yes. Our original collective sin and unpaid debt. Yes. Reparations. Yes. On this day." Speaker 1 denies the tweet referred to fiscal reparations. Speaker 1 states the tweet referenced owing much to those who came before. Speaker 0 calls this a bizarre framing of the tweet.

The discussion centers on the president's comments yesterday, referring to "Trump supporter as garbage." Speaker 0 asks two questions: "does he think less of Americans who support Trump than he does of those who do not?" and "why is he using that kind of rhetoric? How is that presidential?" Speaker 1 says: "So so a couple of things. Couple of things. So just to clarify, he was not calling Trump supporters garbage, which is why he put out this is why he wanted to make sure that we put out a statement that clarified what he meant and what he was trying to say."

Speaker 1: "Just because the other side... jokes about the bad things that happened to them, I don't think that makes it okay for us to turn around and do the same." Speaker 0: "No. We need to stop... the left just haven't cucked out enough." Speaker 0: "Trump is fucking insane because he has support from 90% of the conservatives in the Republican party who are entirely un American." Speaker 1: "One person is dead... a swing state voter." Speaker 1: "We don't know what the motivation of the shooter was." Speaker 1: "Just because there is fire burning doesn't give us leave to throw more wood on it." Speaker 0: "Donald Trump wanted absolute criminal immunity." Speaker 0: "Democracy only works when everybody participates." Speaker 1: "I reject this framing entirely."

The speaker defends the use of explicit language by saying that it is common behind closed doors and that real men use even ruder language. They argue that Trump's comments were made in a private conversation years ago and point out the scandals involving Bill Clinton. The other speaker tries to shift the focus to the future and expresses concern about the president-elect's behavior. The first speaker dismisses these concerns and emphasizes the need for a strong leader who will prioritize the interests of all Americans, including white people. They criticize the media and pollsters for underestimating Trump's support.

Speaker 0 states they are a proud American, but that doesn't mean they have to be proud of the "Cheeto" in charge. Speaker 1 repeats the sentiment, referring to the "Cheeto" in charge and telling them to "get off" the idea of "making America great." Speaker 0 questions if what is currently happening is "making America great," asking, "Are you serious?"

The speaker discusses the claim that Donald Trump is racist, recalling the "very fine people on both sides" comment. The speaker watched the full clip and noted Trump stated he wasn't referring to neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Despite this, the "very fine people" comment continues to be cited, even being mentioned by Kamala Harris in a recent debate and Snopes debunking it in 2024. The speaker presents evidence that counters the racism claim, including Trump's interactions with Jesse Jackson and Whoopi Goldberg, Oprah Winfrey's admiration, and Judge Joe Brown's account of Trump providing loans to Black entrepreneurs in the 90s. Walker Flock claimed Trump showed him how to increase his wealth. The speaker highlights the resistance to changing one's opinion, even when presented with evidence, referencing Yuri Bezmenov's idea that demoralized people are unable to assess true information. The speaker concludes by suggesting that attacks on populist candidates ultimately affect everyone, as rules broken to target them can later be used against others. The speaker asks viewers to share the moment their opinion of Trump changed.

- Speaker 0 asserts that drones are in the air all day and mentions Palantir as “keeping tabs of on everything that was happening,” suggesting Palantir’s involvement in Gaza. Speaker 1 confirms Palantir’s involvement in Gaza, noting a long-standing relationship with Israel that began in 2014 and significantly scaled up during the Gaza events starting in 2020. They describe the source as biased and imply the article’s phrasing is questionable, but acknowledge the basic fact of Palantir’s use in Israel, including a mention that it’s “even on palantir.com.” - The discussion shifts to perceptions of bias in reporting. Speaker 2 notes that when Jamie mentions an article, Joe Rogan quickly labels it “a very biased article and that no one should trust it,” arguing that Palantir’s technology being used in Israel is a well-known fact. This is presented as something Joe Rogan “plays super dumb to,” influenced by fear of Peter Thiel, according to Speaker 2. - There is a critique of Joe Rogan’s appearance or demeanor, with Speaker 0 making a flippant remark and Speaker 1 and Speaker 2 continuing the thread about Joe’s attitude toward the information and his handlers. - The conversation revisits Joe Rogan’s relationship with his “handlers,” with Speaker 2 suggesting Joe’s handlers have been upset with him, possibly due to a recent Dave Smith podcast in which Rogan appeared anti-MAGA, calling MAGA supporters “a bunch of dorks,” and criticizing the Trump administration’s immigration policy while praising Obama-era deportations. Speaker 2 recounts that JD Vance said he would text Rogan to tell him he was wrong, indicating tension or pressure from political allies. - Speaker 1 quotes/digests a broader concept: “America is great. Make America greater, I’m down. But make America great again and then it becomes a movement of a bunch of fucking dorks,” noting that many participants are “dorks” and “real genuine patriots,” and that the idea of making America great is good, but the inclusivity of the team leads to problems. - Speaker 3 challenges a claim: Rogan roasted the Trump administration and suggested that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are better at deporting people than Rogan, claiming this is almost an exact quote, and questions whether MAGA is “full of dorks.” The group contemplates whether the audience includes many dorks, but asserts a distinction between dorks and genuine patriots. - The dialogue concludes with Speaker 2 asserting that there are people in the government with direct contact to Joe Rogan who push their agenda, implying Rogan might be under pressure to align with certain positions. This is presented alongside the idea that Joe is “skating on extremely thin ice” with these figures, and that Theo’s critique of the administration contributed to tensions. Joe’s response is characterized as telling Theo to “chill out and stop talk.”

Speaker 0 claims most people in the country voted for Trump and that he won the popular vote. Speaker 1 disputes this, stating it was a slim majority of voters and that too few people voted. Speaker 0 says those who cared about issues voted for Trump to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse. Speaker 1 counters that lots of voters were purged from voter rolls before the election. Speaker 0 accuses Speaker 1 of election denial. Speaker 1 accuses the "narcissist in that building" of gaslighting.

Speaker 0: Talking boys wants to give Trump a chance and believes the anti-Trump movement should stop. Speaker 1: Running for president is a cool idea and I can't wait for the inauguration. Speaker 2: This year, the American people are fed up and saying enough is enough. We won't tolerate this behavior anymore. Speaker 0: We need to say enough is enough. Speaker 2: We must stop this now. A new world order is needed. Speaker 1: President Trump's foreign policy means a new world order. Speaker 2: Can we skinny dip at Camp David? A new world order can be created.

Four years ago, we lost our way and our purpose. Speaking the truth was labeled as hate speech, and our values were shamed. We surrendered our borders, paychecks, and courage, while patriotism was deemed toxic. Society has shifted, and we question if America can recover. But we can, because we've done it before. When we fall, we rise again. We fight for what we believe in. I'm Donald Trump, and I approve this message.

Speaker 0: I loathe Donald Trump. Speaker 0: Everything we care about is under siege by a racist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic president. Speaker 0: Donald Trump is a convicted felon, an adjudicated rapist, and a congenital liar. He's a racist, sexist, misogynistic, narcissist. Speaker 1: When Pritzker calls Trump antidemocratic and authoritarian, he's effectively calling more than 70,000,000 Americans the same thing. Speaker 0: Illinois Democrats have done more in the last five years to push back on the wave of authoritarian, antidemocratic, MAGA Republican nonsense than in any other place in the country. Speaker 1: Not even an assassination attempt has tempered governor Pritzker. Speaker 0: I am very pleased that he remains relatively unharmed, but it's still true that Donald Trump is a convicted felon, an adjudicated rapist, has been a, congenital liar, and is unfit for the office of president of The United States. Speaker 1: Pritzker's vitriol has become extreme.