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There are rumors of three popes: the white pope, the black pope, and the gray pope. The white pope leads the Vatican church, the black pope leads the society of Jesuits, and the gray pope, also known as Pepe Orsini, is part of a powerful bloodline called the black nobility. This family has been controlling the world for centuries, even dating back to Babylonian times. They currently head the Illuminati and have influence over the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers. However, this information is not widely known.

The Vatican, specifically the Knights of Malta, is seen as the most powerful evil organization. Members of this group founded the CIA and major banks in America. Throughout history, European kings and rulers were appointed by the pope under the divine right of kings, claiming their rule was ordained by God through the pope's endorsement.

The speaker believes the Vatican is the most serious evil organization on Earth. They claim the Knights of Malta, who were all Catholic, founded the CIA. They allege that founders and current leaders of banking establishments like Bank of America and Union Bank are Knights of Malta and Catholic Masons. The speaker states that European kings and rulers ruled by divine right, which they attribute to the Pope. They claim the Pope appoints families to rule over different nations because the Pope represents God and designates certain families as holy, thus giving them the right to rule by divine right.

The deep state is above governments. It essentially consists of the Rothschilds and the Vatican (including both the black pope and the white pope), as well as the Chabad Jews. They use the Freemasons and the Knights of Malta at the highest levels as their fixers, and they use World Banks as their managers. Most governments have two parties that are elected by 30% of the public. The other 70% of the public is disenfranchised. The politicians and the military leaders and the bankers at the national level are the best of the servant class. They comprise the shadow government, but they are not the deep state. They are the servants of the deep state.

- Speaker 0 expresses humility before the Knights of Malta, describing the order as ancient and its history as a calling that prompts gratitude rather than pride. - Speaker 1 asserts that the Vatican is the “most serious evil organization on the face of the earth” and connects the Knights of Malta to the founders of the CIA in America, noting that six founders were Catholics and members of the Knights of Malta; he claims that banking families and institutions in the U.S. (Bank of America, Union Bank in California) were started and are run by Knights of Malta, Catholic Masons, and that European rulers rule by “divine right” granted by the Pope. - Speaker 2 expands on this by describing the Pope as representing God, and claims the Pope designates certain families to rule in France, Germany, and Britain, with the Pope’s authority underpinning “divine right.” - Speaker 2 notes Archbishop Edward Cardinal Egan of New York as a knight of Malta heading all three tongues of the Knights of Malta in the United States, overseen by Jesuits of Fordham University, mentioning Avery Cardinal Dulles (son of John Foster Dulles) as a knight of Malta who, as a Jesuit, allegedly oversaw Cardinal Egan in a conspiracy to bring down the World Trade Center and bomb the Pentagon, with George J. Tennant as a central figure who allegedly received the presidential Medal of Freedom. - Speaker 3 claims the deep state is above governments, consisting of the Rothschilds and the Vatican (including both the Black Pope and the White Pope) as well as Chabad Jews, using Freemasons and the Knights of Malta as fixers, with World Banks as their managers. - Speaker 4 describes the Knights of Malta as a Christian Masonic degree emphasizing Christian virtues, noting their diplomatic immunity and the ability to import/export goods without customs, and that they cannot be arrested or charged by law enforcement. - Speaker 5 supports this, saying members carry diplomatic passports, and that the order began as citizens of the United States of America. - Speaker 6 discusses the Templars creating banking and usury, contrasting with other claims about Jewish bankers, and asserts the Rothschilds are “keepers of the Vatican treasury,” wearing Maltese crosses, and that Rome needed Jewish bankers to be the bankers, with the Maltese cross as a symbol tied to the Vatican and Rome. - Speaker 7 points to Epstein in a claimed image bowing before Pope John Paul II, describing the Maltese cross as an insignia of a knight of the Catholic Church and tying it to Nazi-era symbols; they also connect Adolf Hitler to Jesuit influence and the funding of the Third Reich, naming Franz von Papen as a knight of Malta. - Speaker 8 references the Rothschilds again, the Vatican’s connection to World War II and the Jesuits, and asserts that the Third Reich and Holocaust were birthed by Rome and the Jesuits; mentions the connection between Napoleon’s campaigns and Jesuit guidance, and alleges the Knights of Malta, Teutonic Knights, and other Catholic orders influenced 20th-century events. - Speaker 9 claims the papacy is a military operation, with archbishops and cardinals as military officers under the Jesuit general and the papal guard; notes that the FCC leadership includes a Knight of Malta on the board and that Jesuit influence pervades U.S. institutions. - Speaker 11 asserts that P2 Freemasonry is tied to Opus Dei and the Knights of Malta, describes P2 as promoting right-wing death squads and drug cartels, and alleges Vatican CIA involvement, with the Vatican owning the Watergate Hotel and the CIA conducting dirty work there to remove Nixon. - Speaker 12 and others interject on love and marriage while reinforcing the overarching conspiracy framework, including references to the Knights of Malta, the Jesuits, the Crown, and various symbols linked to Catholic power, while claiming decades of hidden influence over global events.

The Bush regime was front for the Vatican. The most important enemy this country has today. The founding fathers came from Europe. Twenty five hundred years Rome under the Caesars of Rome and then after the fall of the Caesars in the fourth century and with the coming of the Vatican in the fifth century. All of Europe has been dominated for over two thousand five hundred years by Rome and Europe has dominated the world for two thousand five hundred years. You better start looking at the Holy father, and you better start finding out the connection between the Vatican and the Nazi party of Adolf.

The Vatican is believed to have significant influence globally as the largest stockholder and property owner not subject to taxes. There is mention of a secretive organization called the solidarity, a 2000-year-old club meeting in the Vatican catacombs. The Vatican is seen as a powerful entity controlling much of the world's affairs.

The Orsini family, also known as the Maxima family, are the most powerful Illuminati group, surpassing the Colonna and Faranesi families. They have roots in Babylon and Egypt, with the Rothschilds and Rockefellers being branches of the Orsini family. The Gray Pope, Pepe Orsini, is the highest authority, above the Black and White Popes, controlling world affairs. The existence of three popes, each with varying degrees of power, is a well-kept secret.

I believe the Vatican is the most serious evil organization on Earth. The Knights of Malta, a Catholic organization, were instrumental in founding the CIA. Key figures in major American banks like Bank of America and Union Bank are also Knights of Malta, belonging to Catholic Masonry. Historically, European kings and rulers governed by the divine right of kings. This concept stems from the Pope, who, as God's representative, designates certain families to rule over nations like the French, Germans, and British. The Pope's blessing deems these families holy, thus granting them the authority to rule by divine right.

Freemasonry and the Illuminati are forms of satanic worship. Freemasons have infiltrated the church and placed their own people in leadership positions. These individuals appear as lambs on the outside but are vicious wolves on the inside. Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the only role model to follow.

The speaker contends that the Vatican is the most serious evil organization on earth. They claim the Knights of Malta founded the CIA in America, and that the six men who founded the CIA were Catholics and members of the Knights of Malta. They allege that banking fraternities in America, including Bank of America and Union Bank in California, were founded by and are run by Knights of Malta, described as Catholic Masonry. The speaker asserts that all the kings and rulers in Europe ruled by the divine right, called the divine right of kings. They ask who represents divine to give the king the right, answering that the pope represents God. The pope, they say, appoints certain families to be over the French, the Germans, and the British. Therefore, by divine right, because the pope represents God, the pope says that this family is holy and that they should rule, and thus they could now say they rule by divine right.

The speaker, Peter, asks if the Jesuit order is connected to and controlled by the Illuminati or Freemasonry, or if it is an arm of the Catholic Church. The other speaker explains that long ago in Spain, a branch of the Illuminati called the Ilumbrados existed. The head of the Ilumbrados, Ignatius Loyola, was arrested by the inquisition but managed to get an audience with the pope. After this, Loyola was granted permission to start a new order called the Society of Jesus, or the Jesuit order. The Jesuits, also known as the Black Pope, have significant power and are associated with Marxism and liberation theology. They are not in competition with the Illuminati, but rather are the Illuminati.

Greg Ziemanski hosts an hour-long discussion with Svali, a former member of the Illuminati’s family/Order who says she was born into the group and trained for over thirty years. The conversation covers her induction, training, the organization’s structure, activities, money flows, mind-control methods, and her eventual escape. - Induction and early training - Svali was born in Germany and raised in the United States within a wealthy family that was part of the group. From infancy, children undergo intensive training and indoctrination. By the time she was a teenager, she was a youth leader; at 22 she became the youngest member of a leadership council in San Diego County, and later head trainer. - At age 12, she was taken to Germany for what was described as a sealing ceremony in the Vatican. In the Vatican’s basement there is a large circular chamber with 13 catacombs; mummies are displayed beside a central table on which a large gold pentagram sits. A young child was placed on the table and drugged; the ceremony involved a Latin liturgy, and the “sacrifice” was performed to seal the oath. Afterward, she and others swore allegiance before a ring-wearing priest in scarlet who declared the oath “to the new world order until my death.” The event induced terror; she and the other participants remained silent and controlled during the proceedings. - She recalls that adults as well as children participate in these ceremonies; the church sometimes brings in adults to swear allegiance as well. - Aftermath and structure - Following the induction, Svali and the other initiates were told to forget certain aspects and were told of the consequences should they break the oath. The ceremony left a lasting impression of darkness and oppression in the room. - Svali describes the Illuminati as a single group with multiple branches of learning, not separate groups: sciences, military, government leadership, scholarship, and spiritual learning. Individuals are profiled from infancy, and often concentrate in one or two branches based on aptitude. She says she was heavily involved in sciences and some spiritual work, with extensive training in mind and behavioral programming. - The Illuminati is said to be international, with Rome as the spiritual heart. Europe is organized into 12 “fathers,” each representing a country; Americans view the U.S. as a mission field. The administrative power base is in Alexandria, Virginia; the West Coast power base is around San Diego. The organization is described as a multinational structure akin to a large corporation, with regional councils, subregions, and local “sister groups” in major cities. - Goals, infiltration, and money - The group’s stated overarching goal is to rule the world, achieved through infiltration behind the scenes in media, education, government, and finance. Svali asserts that they have already infiltrated at high levels across these sectors in Europe and the U.S. - The Illuminati allegedly owns and controls substantial media outlets and uses marriages within the wealthy networks to secure loyalty and power. They allegedly fund themselves through both illicit activities (gun running, white slavery, prostitution, pornography, laundering) and legitimate means (quiet investments, acquiring controlling interests in banks and financial institutions over time). - A recurring theme is “two-tier” life: members hold a public role and, at night or in private, perform the group’s duties. Some members’ daytime persona is benign or philanthropic, while their night activities serve the organization’s aims. - Mind control and programming - Svali describes a long process of programming that begins in early childhood and continues through adulthood. Training includes hypnosis, medications for short states, coded cues, and trauma-based techniques to install obedience and loyalty to the group. Positive reinforcement (praise, affection) follows after correct responses; negative reinforcement (shocks, punishment) reinforces behaviors. One goal is to create fragmentation of personality to permit compartmentalized behavior (for example, a family-oriented public persona and a separate, covert operational role). - The programming aims to instill loyalty as the primary directive and to suppress questioning of orders. The process includes tuning up or updating programming as needed and can include elaborate rituals to “heal” or stabilize programming after use. Svali mentions the ability to program children as young as eight to perform complex tasks, including sensitive or dangerous roles. - She notes that passive programming via media can influence non-members, pointing to the effects of cartoons and films as disseminating occult or occult-coded messages. - Personal arc and leaving the group - Over time, Svali becomes disillusioned as she sees the methods used and their toll on others. She becomes a Christian, which sharpens her questioning of the group’s aims and methods. She ultimately escapes by relocating to another state, leaving behind her husband and children (who eventually also leave with her help), though she faces custody disputes and other forms of pressure, including threats and public attacks. - She recounts a long legal battle to gain custody and safety for her children, including a four-year period of supervised visitation. Her husband eventually agrees to leave the group and to separate from it. - Since leaving, she has faced reprisals and cautions against speaking too openly; she emphasizes that prayer and public awareness are critical, but she stresses that leaving the group is dangerous and often costly due to financial and familial ties. - Current message - Svali advocates public awareness and prayer, urging people to recognize that such a group exists, to understand its influence, and to support actions that counter its reach. She stresses that the problem spans high levels of government, media, and finance and notes that while she is glad to share her story, she does so under ongoing personal risk.

The speaker asserts that “The Bush regime was front for the Vatican” and that “The most important enemy this country has today, people will never understand it, but the biggest enemy that this nation today has is the Vatican.” They question the origin of the nation’s founders, asking, “What do you think the founding fathers … where did they come from?” and answer, “they came from Europe.” The speaker traces history back to “twenty five hundred years Rome under the Caesars of Rome,” stating that “after the fall of the Caesars in the fourth century and with the coming of the Vatican in the fifth century,” Europe has been dominated for that same span. The claim is then made that “All of Europe has been dominated for over two thousand five hundred years by Rome and Europe has dominated the world for two thousand five hundred years.” The speaker urges listeners to “start looking at the Holy father, and you better start finding out the connection between the Vatican and the Nazi party of Adolf,” tying the Vatican to broader historical influence and power. The overarching assertion is that “The Bush regime was front for the Vatican,” and that the Vatican represents “the most important enemy this country has today.”

The speaker claims that the Vatican is the most serious evil organization today, citing the Knights of Malta as the group that produced the six men who founded the CIA, all Catholics and members of the Knights of Malta. They assert that banking leaders in America who founded and now run the banking establishment are Knights of Malta, describing them as Catholic Masonry. The speaker discusses the divine right of kings, saying the pope represents God and “appoints” certain families to rule over the French, Germans, and British. By this logic, the pope designates who is holy and who should rule, enabling those families to claim divine right.

Speaker 0: The most serious evil organization on the face of the earth today is the Vatican. You’re talking the Knights of Malta, which gave us the six men who founded the CIA in America, all Catholics, members of the Knights of Malta. When you begin to look at the banking fraternities in America, like Bank of America and Union Bank in California, all of these people who founded these banks and today are running the banking establishment are all Knights of Malta, Catholic Masonry. All the kings and rulers in Europe ruled by the divine right. It’s called the divine right of kings. What are you talking about? Who represents divine to give the king the right? The pope. The pope appoints certain families to be over the French. The pope appoints certain people to be over the Germans and over the British. And so by divine right, why? Because the pope represents God. And the Pope says that this family is holy and that they should rule, and therefore they could now say they rule by divine right.

Central banks of every country in the world are under the control of the Rothschilds, the Vatican, and the Chabad Jews. The leaders of these central banks are handpicked and approved by the Rothschilds. The same is true of most bankers. They are not elected. They are selected on merit. They're selected on the basis of being loyal to the deep state. The deep state is above governments. The deep state essentially consists of the Rothschilds and the Vatican, including both the black pope and the white pope, as well as the Chabad Jews. They use the Freemasons and the Knights of Malta at the highest levels as their fixers, and they use world banks as their managers.

When students graduate from university, they are gradually indoctrinated. The mortarboard is a symbol of masonry. All universities and colleges in the Western world operate under the Vatican. Sending children to college means sending them to a Jesuit Catholic dominated ancient Roman Empire system where they will be indoctrinated into a system of religion, politics, and theology. Popes were often homosexuals, murderers, and offspring of bankers. The Vatican system was a banking system. The uniform commercial code is based on the old Vatican canon law. The church, government, and politics are interconnected, and secret societies have been manipulating them from day one.

The Swiss Guard in Rome symbolizes the Knights Templar protecting the Pope, who is the head of international banking. If you were to fly over the Vatican, you could easily spot the British flag, also known as the Union Jack flag. We've been double-crossed by British banking fraternities, specifically the Reichs Templars. Switzerland is a key location with the Reichs Templar cross, which is the origin of organizations like the American Red Cross. The Red Cross, displaying the cross of Saint George, is a Masonic Knights Templar organization that operates behind enemy lines. They can access these areas because they are part of the enemy.

The speaker argues that the Vatican is the most serious evil organization today. They claim that the Knights of Malta are connected to the six men who founded the CIA in America, asserting that those six founders were Catholics and members of the Knights of Malta. The speaker then asserts that in the United States banking sector, prominent institutions such as Bank of America and Union Bank in California were founded by people who are “knights of Malta, Catholic Masonry,” and that the individuals who currently run the banking establishment are also knights of Malta. They claim that all the kings and rulers in Europe are ruled by the divine right, described as the divine right of kings. The speaker asks, what represents the divine to grant the king the right? The pope. According to the speaker, the pope appoints certain families to be over the French, and the pope appoints certain people to be over the Germans and over the British. This leads to the assertion that, by divine right, the pope represents God and designates which families are holy and should rule, thereby granting them the authority to rule by divine right. The underlying implication is that these papal appointments and the concept of divine right legitimize centralized or hereditary rule across Europe, linking religious authority directly to political power.

The speaker discusses the power dynamics of various families and organizations. They claim that the Orsini family, also known as the Rothschilds, are the most powerful and have connections to ancient bloodlines. They mention the Colonna and Farnese families as well. The speaker also suggests that the Jesuits are the top authority, with the Jewish Sanhedrin in collaboration with them. They assert that the Pentagon is owned by the Farnese family and discuss the influence of the Jesuits in various countries and organizations. The speaker concludes by stating that the Jesuits play both sides and co-opt grassroots movements.

The speaker asserts that today the most serious evil organization on the face of the earth is the Vatican. The argument then centers on the Knights of Malta, claiming that the six men who founded the CIA in America were all Catholics and members of the Knights of Malta. The speaker further contends that when examining banking fraternities in America, such as the Bank of America and Union Bank in California, the founders and current leaders of these banks, who are running the banking establishment today, are all Knights of Malta, described as Catholic Masonry. From there, the talk expands to a broader claim about European governance, stating that all the kings and rulers in Europe ruled by the divine right, referred to as the divine right of kings. The speaker then questions what represents divine to grant the king the right to rule, answering that the pope holds that role. The pope, according to the claim, appoints certain families to be over the French, and the pope appoints certain people to be over the Germans and over the British. The concept of divine right is then tied directly to the pope, with the assertion that the pope represents God. Because the pope represents God, he is said to be able to declare that a particular family is holy and should rule. Consequently, the speaker argues, this church authority could then claim that they rule by divine right. The overall narrative connects the Vatican, the Knights of Malta, and Catholic Masonry to influential administrative and governmental power structures, including the founding of the CIA and the leadership of major banks, and frames this as evidence of a global governance dynamic justified by divine right under papal authority.

The Vatican is viewed as a significant evil organization, closely linked to influential groups like the Knights of Malta, who were instrumental in founding the CIA. Many prominent banking institutions in America, such as Bank of America and Union Bank, have ties to Knights of Malta and Catholic Masonry. Historically, European kings ruled by the "divine right of kings," a concept that granted authority through the pope, who appointed certain families to power. This divine right implies that the pope, representing God, designates holy families to rule, legitimizing their authority.

"The Bush regime was front for the Vatican." "The most important enemy this country has today, people will never understand it, but the biggest enemy that this nation today has is the Vatican." "What do you think the founding fathers, whatever we call them, the founding fathers, where did they come from?" "They came from Europe." "Well, twenty five hundred years Rome under the Caesars of Rome and then after the fall of the Caesars in the fourth century and with the coming of the Vatican in the fifth century." "All of Europe has been dominated for over two thousand five hundred years by Rome and Europe has dominated the world for two thousand five hundred years." "You better start looking at the Holy father, and you better start finding out the connection between the Vatican and the Nazi party of Adolf The Bush regime was front for the Vatican. The Bush regime was front for the Vatican. The most important enemy this country has today."

The speaker believes the Vatican is the most serious evil organization on Earth. The Knights of Malta gave us the six men who founded the CIA, who were all Catholics. The founders and current leaders of banking fraternities in America, such as Bank of America and Union Bank, are all Knights of Malta and Catholic Masons. All kings and rulers in Europe ruled by the divine right of kings. The Pope represents divine authority and appoints families to rule over different nations. The Pope says certain families are holy and should rule, therefore they rule by divine right.