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Jim Rickards joins Julia for an in-person discussion that covers macro trends, political strategy, financial markets, gold, and the evolving role of the dollar and eurodollar system. Rickards argues Trump’s first year in the second term featured a deliberate “flood the zone” tactic, part of a playbook from Steve Bannon and others. He says the aim was to push a large number of initiatives daily, outpacing Democratic responses with a steady stream of actions and executive orders, while loyalty among staff was vetted through a detailed process. He highlights Project 2025, a Heritage Foundation initiative with over 200 contributors, as the playbook for post-2016 planning, with a cadre of loyalists in key positions (e.g., Kash Patel, Pam Bondi) and a strategy to act quickly, using an aggressive communications and policy cadence. He notes that while district court injunctions have blocked some moves, the administration has enjoyed success at the appellate and Supreme Court levels, where they have more favorable outcomes (roughly 50% reversal rate at appeals, 9 out of 10 at the Supreme Court). On the economy, Rickards rejects the notion of chaos and uncertainty, arguing the administration’s economic program is coherent and grounded in three pillars. First, debt dynamics: the national debt is around $39 trillion with a roughly $2 trillion annual deficit, and the critical metric is the debt-to-GDP ratio (about 125% currently). He emphasizes that debt can be rolled over rather than paid off, and the ratio can be reduced if nominal growth outpaces deficits. He recalls post-World War II and 1980’s bipartisan efforts that reduced the ratio from 114% to 30% over ~35 years, driven by nominal growth (including inflation), not by eliminating debt. The objective is to achieve deficits at or below 3% of GDP, nominal growth at or above 3% (real growth plus inflation), and a goal of increasing oil production to about 3,000,000 additional barrels per day to spur growth. He stresses this requires bipartisan cooperation and a unified budget strategy (budget reconciliation helps bypass the filibuster). Second, the “debASement trade” narrative is challenged. Rickards argues the Wall Street narrative that foreign holdings of treasuries imply a coming dollar debasement is false. He cites the Treasury Tick Report showing that foreign holders have not been dumping treasuries; rather, if anything, they are quietly managing maturities and facing a global dollar shortage, not a broad withdrawal from treasuries. He explains reserves are securities, not cash, and that central banks and sovereigns hold U.S. Treasuries to back their own banking systems, not to hoard cash. He also explains the eurodollar market—where banks lend to each other using dollars—as the driver of real money in the economy, with the Fed’s actions largely sterilized on its own balance sheet. Third, gold as an anchor and hedge: Rickards has long argued gold’s price path is a signal of dollar purchasing power relative to gold, with gold acting as a store of value in both inflationary and deflationary environments. He reiterates his case for gold moving toward 5,000 and potentially much higher, even to 10,000, 25,000, or higher under certain macro scenarios. He notes that central banks have shifted from net sellers to net buyers since 2010, with large accumulations by Russia, China, and others, providing a base support for gold. He emphasizes that the dollar’s value is better measured by weight in gold than by nominal price, arguing that a dollar collapse would be reflected in the gold price by a significant multiple. He contrasts the historical path from 35 in 1971 to 800 in 1980 as a 94% devaluation, suggesting a similar trajectory could yield extreme gold prices if the dollar continues to lose purchasing power. On gold’s drivers beyond inflation, Rickards discusses Russia’s gold holdings and sanctions. Russia’s central bank, led by Elvira Nabiullina, allocated 25% of reserves to gold, contributing to resilience despite sanctions and frozen assets. He notes the Russian ruble’s relative strength and argues the sanctions environment created incentives for nations to diversify into gold. He also points to military and defense spending as catalysts for gold and silver dynamics, with silver possibly outperforming gold due to its industrial uses and defense applications, even in a bear market. He highlights the global risk environment, including geopolitics and defense tech concerns, and asserts that gold’s role extends beyond simply hedging inflation. Toward the end, Rickards shares a bold and provocative forecast: a potential future shock could arise from unexpected political moves (examples include unilateral actions like seizing disputed territories or reconfiguring NATO), with a broader commentary that geopolitical shifts could alter alliance structures and economic arrangements. He emphasizes diversification across asset classes as prudent—stocks plus gold, treasury notes, and cash—to weather unforeseen events. In closing, Rickards reiterates that the key to resilience is a diversified portfolio and a practical, not token, approach to risk management. He and Julia thank the audience as the discussion wraps, underscoring the complexity and interconnectedness of macro policy, geopolitical risk, and financial markets.

Peter Schiff argues that the economic crisis ahead will be much bigger than 2008 and will center on a dollar and sovereign debt crisis. He says gold’s rise to and beyond $5,000 (and his longer-term view that it will go much higher) signals that the problems that previously led him to forecast $5,000 gold are now much larger. The core issue, he says, is not just a mortgage crisis but a loss of confidence in the United States’ ability to repay its debt and manage deficits and inflation. He contends that the problems were delayed for over a decade by policy “kicking the can down the road,” but have grown more severe, making the coming crisis broader and more damaging. On the dollar and U.S. debt, Schiff contends that the world is moving away from the U.S. dollar as a reserve currency. He notes foreign central banks are buyers of dollars, but argues the United States has alienated many nations and created incentives for diversification away from the dollar. He predicts gold will become the primary reserve asset for foreign central banks to replace U.S. treasuries. He emphasizes that the U.S. economy relies on the world supplying goods and saving money, and without that external support, the U.S. economy would not function as it currently does. Regarding housing and wealth creation, Schiff dismisses the idea that housing-price gains create true wealth if buyers cannot afford to purchase at inflated prices. He accuses former President Trump of aiming to sustain or enlarge a housing bubble through inflation, noting that the only way to keep home prices from falling would be higher inflation. He distinguishes between genuine wealth and artificial price levels created by monetary policy. Inflation is presented as a consequence of expanding money supply and credit. Schiff points to the dollar’s four-year low and a record low against the Swiss franc as signs that the dollar will depreciate further, leading to higher consumer prices in the U.S. He expects a protracted downturn accompanied by high inflation and higher interest rates, with the dollar at the epicenter of the crisis. On timing, Schiff believes the crisis will unfold differently from 2008 because the U.S. government cannot bail itself out in the same way. He foresees a dollar crisis that benefits other nations through a realignment of purchasing power: as the dollar weakens, prices rise in the U.S. while goods become relatively cheaper elsewhere. He foresees increased demand for gold and possibly other currencies as the dollar declines, with central banks more inclined to hold gold. Regarding policy distortions, Schiff argues that current fiscal and monetary policies distort markets beyond Keynesian ideals, with deficits seen as perpetual. He critiques GDP as an imperfect measure, noting that it includes expenditures many would rather avoid, such as disaster-related spending, health care costs, and crime prevention expenses, and excludes beneficial aspects like leisure time. On the political economy, he suggests that the U.S. debt problem will worsen as long as there is no political will to cut spending, predicting creditors will increasingly stop funding the U.S. debt. He cites Japan as a potential large seller of Treasuries, which would push interest rates higher. He says that if the dollar falls, Americans will lose purchasing power while the rest of the world gains access to cheaper goods, and global investment will shift away from the U.S. In summary, Schiff foresees a coming, substantial dollar and sovereign-debt crisis, with gold and other real assets serving as refuges as the U.S. economy confronts devaluation, rising prices, and a reconfiguration of global reserve currencies.

There is a possibility that multiple world reserve currencies can exist simultaneously. Many countries are becoming disillusioned with the US dollar as the reserve currency and are open to trying something else. One potential scenario is if countries realize that the US dollar will not remain the reserve currency forever. Similar to banks, smaller banks would not want to use a system built by their biggest competitors. Likewise, nations would prefer their currency to be the world reserve currency, but realistically, only a few countries could achieve this. Therefore, some countries might prefer a currency that nobody can control rather than one controlled by their rivals. The challenge lies in getting everyone to agree on an alternative.

The Japanese yen recently crashed past 150 to the dollar, a level the Bank of Japan was expected to defend, raising concerns of a potential global financial crisis. Japan's "zombie economy," supported by high public spending and zero interest rates, allows investors to earn significantly more in the US or Europe. This is causing capital flight from Japan, weakening the yen. The weaker yen has increased import prices, especially for energy and food, impacting Japanese consumers whose incomes have remained stagnant for 25 years. The Bank of Japan can't raise interest rates to strengthen the yen due to Japan's massive public debt, which is 267% of its GDP. Raising rates to US levels would make debt service unsustainable. Rising inflation may force the government and Bank of Japan to inject more money, potentially creating a cycle of further currency devaluation and rate increases. Japan's debt level could trigger a global debt crisis, dwarfing the crisis of 2008.

The financial situation in the United States is misunderstood. High taxes are often blamed, but they don't truly fund the government. Instead, the government relies on Treasury bonds, primarily purchased by the Federal Reserve, which prints money to buy them. This creates an illusion that taxes are necessary for funding. In reality, the government is financed by money printing, leading to a precarious bubble that could burst. If the public realizes this, confidence in the dollar could collapse, threatening Western civilization. Urgent policy changes are needed to prevent repeating past mistakes and to stabilize the economy before it's too late.

In 2011, economist Kyle Bass interviewed a senior member of the Obama administration about their plans for the US economy and trade deficit. When asked about US exports and wages, the official responded with just seven words: "We're just going to kill the dollar." This statement holds the key to understanding everything that has been happening domestically and globally. It renders all other questions irrelevant and provides an explanation for all economic matters. Take a moment to reflect on the implications of this statement.

The US dollar's position as the world's reserve currency is being questioned due to the use of sanctions as a foreign policy tool. This move is seen as a strategic mistake by US political leaders, as it weakens American power. The massive debt of $33 trillion is a clear indication of the consequences. Even US allies are reducing their dollar reserves, seeking ways to protect themselves. The imposition of restrictive measures on certain countries raises concerns and sends a signal to the world. It is important for the United States to understand the impact of these actions and the significance of the dollar for their own country.

Peter Schiff, CEO of Euro Pacific Asset Management and host of The Peter Schiff Show, discusses his critique of “Trump Trumponomics” and the ensuing sparring with Donald Trump. He argues that while oil prices are down, the overall price level is rising, noting that inflation is about 50% above the Fed’s target. He contends that Trump’s claim that prices are coming down is incorrect and notes that inflation is not only persistent but potentially understated by CPI methodology. Schiff asserts that Trump has not fixed the economy; in fact, he says Trump contributed to debt growth and deficits during his prior term, with COVID policy amplified spending. He compares Trumponomics to Bidenomics, stating both are characterized by large deficits, money printing, and efforts to inflate asset bubbles through monetary easing. The key difference, according to Schiff, is that Trump uses tariffs and more micromanagement of the economy, whereas Schiff advocates free-market capital allocation. When asked what he would advise a listening Trump, Schiff says the core remedy is massive reductions in government spending, entitlement reform (Social Security, Medicare), and defense cuts, along with removing tariffs. He suggests replacing current economic advisers and pushing the Fed toward higher interest rates and tighter policy rather than renewed QE or rate cuts. He argues for ending the bashing of the Fed and emphasizes non-dollar revenue and non-dollar assets as preferable to dollar-denominated holdings. Schiff predicts an imminent economic crisis, including a dollar crisis and sovereign debt crisis, with precious metals signaling the coming stress (gold around 4,300 and silver around 66 at the time of the discussion). He says the crisis will affect purchasing power and standards of living, with the dollar’s value deteriorating and long-term interest rates rising as lenders lose confidence. He explains that even if banks don’t fail, deposits may lose value, and the dollar’s purchasing power will fall dramatically. Discussing the likelihood and mechanics of a dollar crisis, Schiff argues that the dollar’s decline will be rapid once it accelerates, potentially around early 2026, with gold and silver strengthening as the dollar weakens. He stresses that the way inflation is measured is biased, designed to understate true inflation, and describes inflation as a tax that redistributes purchasing power from creditors to debtors. He notes that countries moving away from the dollar and into non-dollar assets will bring dollars back into the U.S., accelerating domestic price increases. Central banks shifting away from dollars toward gold will also contribute to this dynamic. On investment implications, Schiff emphasizes owning real assets (businesses with plant, equipment, and dividends) over paper assets (cash, bonds). He warns that inflation erodes the value of money and inflates asset prices, creating bubbles in tech, AI, housing, bonds, and even cryptocurrencies. He argues that gold and silver remain protective as inflation hedges, and suggests diversification into foreign stocks and non-dollar assets through Shift Gold and Europe Pacific Asset Management. He closes by pointing listeners to his platforms: Schiff Radio and The Peter Schiff Show, as well as his gold business (Schiff Gold) and European/foreign asset management (Europac) with five mutual funds, plus a free Shift Sovereign subscription.

Speaker 0 argues that losing the, the world standard dollar would be like losing a war, a major world war, and "We would not be the same country." The claim casts the dollar as a critical global benchmark whose disappearance would fundamentally change the United States, equating monetary dominance with the outcome of a major conflict and implying profound national implications. The statement underscores the perceived link between currency status and national power, suggesting that currency leadership shapes international influence and the country’s future trajectory. It frames the dollar's status as a strategic asset whose loss would amount to a strategic setback.

The discussion centers on the surge in gold and silver prices and the idea that this signals a broader financial crisis. The hosts note gold recently around $4,600 per ounce and silver near $92, with silver has seen renewed interest as a potential hedge amid financial stress. Analysts point to silver production at about 800 million ounces per year, and bank short positions in silver reportedly totaling about 4.4 billion ounces; the argument is that if silver continues to rise, it could strain the big U.S. banks that have underwritten these shorts. Peter Schiff, a silver and gold expert and economist, argues that the price movements reflect a coming financial crisis akin to the subprime mortgage crisis of 2007, but this time tied to U.S. sovereign credit and the dollar. He notes that gold and silver have risen substantially—gold has more than doubled and silver has nearly tripled in the past year—and frames this as a warning of a dollar crisis and a U.S. treasury crisis that could hit next year. He emphasizes that foreign central banks are buying gold instead of U.S. treasuries, signaling a shift away from the dollar as the global reserve currency, and predicts that this will lead to higher consumer prices and higher interest rates as the dollar’s buying power collapses. Referring to Venezuela’s experience, Schiff connects the issue to the broader dynamics of global currency demand, suggesting that the U.S. has used the dollar’s reserve status to sustain higher levels of spending, but that the world is moving away from the dollar. He forecasts a much weaker purchasing power for ordinary Americans, with prices rising sharply while wages may not keep pace. He provides a provocative example, suggesting that a hamburger could jump from about $15 to $30 or $50, illustrating the potential magnitude of inflation and the erosion of real income. On the silver short position for banks, Schiff says those who are shorting silver, especially those who do not own the metal, are in trouble and could face significant losses, though he does not claim this alone would bankrupt banks. He argues that banks also face deteriorating loan books and housing market pressures, with commercial real estate already down and residential prices still adjusted. He contends the banking system is in a precarious position, contributing to the Fed’s rate cuts and policy moves aimed at propping up banks. For individuals, Schiff argues that the dollar’s reserve status has enabled living beyond means, and as the dollar declines, imported goods will become much more expensive. He advises a shift away from paper assets toward real money such as gold and silver, and highlights mining stocks as potential opportunities, noting that costs for mining may be lower than a year ago while prices for metals rise. He asserts that junior mining stocks could outperform as the market recognizes their leverage to rising metal prices, and promotes diversification into gold and silver investments as a hedge against a dollar crisis.

The speaker discusses the impact of the global economy on the US dollar and its need to be backed by tangible assets. They mention that international financiers are gradually losing faith in the dollar as the world's reserve currency, leading to its depreciation. To maintain its status, the US is turning to its European colonies for tangible assets since they are losing their African and Latin American colonies. The speaker expresses concern about this surreal and submissive cycle.

The global financial system relies on the US dollar, and a rapidly rising dollar can destabilize markets. Despite the US printing dollars, global demand remains high for trade, debt servicing, and reserves. Countries need dollars to buy commodities like copper, oil, and soybeans, creating constant demand. The US benefits from this system, controlling access and settlement. A slowdown in other economies coupled with US growth can create a dollar shortage, raising its price and hurting countries needing dollars to pay for goods and debts. This leads to a "dollar milkshake" effect, forcing countries to devalue their currencies and causing capital to flow into the US as a safe haven. This can trigger sovereign bond and currency crises, with central banks unable to stop the momentum. The lack of alternatives to the dollar means the world is stuck with it, making the "dollar milkshake theory" a critical risk to monitor.

Larry Johnson and Glenn discuss the shifting dynamics of the US dollar, the international financial system, and the rise of competing powers. - Johnson recalls the 1965 term exorbitant privilege describing the US dollar’s reserve-currency advantages. In 1971, the US closed the gold window, ending fixed gold value for the dollar; the dollar later became backed by “our promise,” enabling the petrodollar system as oil purchases were conducted in dollars. The dollar’s dominance rested on predictability, a stable legal system, and non-abusive use of the dollar as an economic tool rather than a political weapon. - Trump-era sanctions expanded broadly, impacting friends and adversaries alike, and BRICS nations began moving away from the dollar. Russia’s disconnection from SWIFT after its 2022 actions is noted as a turning point that encouraged the BRICS’ development of alternative financial infrastructure, including China’s cross-border interbank payment system (CIPS). This shift accelerates the decline of the dollar’s dominance. - Nations like Russia and China (and India, Brazil) are unloading US Treasuries and increasing gold and silver holdings. This is tied to concerns about the dollar’s reliability and the reduced faith in paper promises. The BRICS countries reportedly plan a currency tied to gold, with components of their reserves backing individual BRICS currencies, signaling a structural move away from the dollar. - The paper-gold issue is central: for every ounce of real gold, there is a range of 20-to-1 to 100-to-1 in paper gold. This disparity can undermine trust in the paper promise and create a run on physical gold. The price gap between New York (lower) and Shanghai (higher) for gold demonstrates a market dislocation and growing demand for physical metal. - Glenn emphasizes that a unipolar dollar system allows the US to run large deficits via inflation, which acts as a hidden tax on global dollar holders. Weaponizing the dollar through sanctions challenges trust and accelerates decoupling, prompting other nations to seek alternatives to reduce exposure. - Johnson argues that the US is confronting a historic realignment: the Bretton Woods order is dissolving, the dollar’s international dominance is waning, and sanctions and coercive policies are provoking pushback. He highlights Japan as a major remaining dollar treasuries holder that is now offloading, further increasing dollar supply and depressing its value. - The geopolitical implications are significant. Johnson warns that potential US actions against Iran—given their strategic position and the Gulf oil supply—could trigger a severe global disruption, including a price surge in oil. He notes that such actions would complicate global stability and magnify inflationary pressures. - The discussion also covers NATO’s cohesion, Western attempts to shape global alignments, and how rapidly shifting leverage could undermine existing alliances. Johnson suggests that Russia’s strategic gains in the war in Ukraine, combined with Western missteps, may prompt a rapid reevaluation of settlements and borders, while also noting that Russia’s position has hardened. - On Venezuela, Johnson argues that the stated pretexts (drug trafficking, oil control) were questionable and points to economic motives, including revenue opportunities for political allies like Paul Singer, and to Greenland’s strategic interests as possible motivators for US actions. - Looking ahead, Johnson predicts hyperinflation for the United States as the dollar loses value globally, while gold and silver retain value. He asserts that the ruble and yuan may hold value better, and that a mass shift toward de-dollarization is likely to continue, potentially culminating in a new multipolar financial order. - Both speakers agree that trust and predictability are crucial; the current trajectory—threats, sanctions, and unilateral actions—undermines trust and accelerates the move toward alternative currencies and stronger physical-commodity holdings. The overall tone is that a pivotal, watershed moment is unfolding in the global monetary system.

The current system is broken and needs to be replaced. The value of the dollar should decline to account for the weak US economy, which will negatively impact the global economy. China will become the new driving force, replacing the US consumer. This will result in a gradual decline in the value of the dollar, which is the necessary adjustment.

The US dollar's dominance is being challenged by countries like Iran, Libya, and China who are bypassing it in trade. Gold is being used as an alternative currency, with countries like Germany and Venezuela repatriating their gold reserves. The Federal Reserve's increasing currency printing is seen as a threat to the dollar's stability. These actions are seen as accelerating the demise of the dollar standard, signaling a need for change soon.

Jeff and Mario discuss what a trade war, dollar dominance, gold, and de-dollarization mean for the US and the world. They emphasize that gold is a portfolio asset and a safe haven, not a monetary instrument intended to replace the dollar, and that gold’s strength comes from concerns about risky assets rather than inflation alone. Gold’s recent rally is explained as a response to macroeconomic downturn risks and questions around equities like Nvidia, rather than as an inflation hedge, with gold resuming strength as conditions signal downturns. Key points on the dollar and eurodollars: - The dollar remains dominant because there is no replacement for its functions; replacing the dollar system would be like recreating the internet from scratch. - The eurodollar system is a vast, opaque, ledger-based network of offshore US dollar balances that enables global money movement. It is not tied to physical dollars and operates as bank ledgers and interbank communication, making it hard to measure and control. - De-dollarization is described as a political narrative rather than a mechanical monetary shift; central banks sell dollar assets primarily to cope with dollar shortages and liquidity constraints, not to replace the dollar with gold. - The eurodollar system began partly to protect against asset seizure and to provide flexible settlement outside the US jurisdiction; it remains central to global finance and is resistant to rapid replacement. On dollar reserves and central banks: - The share of US dollars in official foreign reserves has declined from about 72% to 58%, but this is not considered a meaningful shift in reserve mechanics; the real impact is in settlements and the dominance of the dollar in 90% of FX settlements. - Yuan and other currencies have risen in FX settlements but do not displace the dollar; they compete to be on the other side of US dollar transactions. - The dollar’s dominance is maintained by the depth and liquidity of Treasury markets; gold serves as a store of value but is not liquid collateral in the same way as Treasuries. Gold, debt, and safety: - Central banks buy gold to diversify reserves and stabilize currencies (e.g., China as a reserve diversification tool and yuan stabilizer). Gold is a store of value, not a primary liquidity instrument. - US debt is criticized as a long-term restraint on growth, but the speaker argues that demand for safety and liquidity keeps demand for US Treasuries robust, preventing a collapse of the Treasury market despite rising deficits. - Gold’s surge is tied to deflationary pressures, banking fragility, and concerns about consumer and corporate credit risk. If collateral quality deteriorates and credit risk grows, demand for safe assets rises, pushing gold higher. On the US and global economies: - The US faces deteriorating credit conditions, with concerns about consumer and corporate credit and collateral issues (e.g., Tricolor, First Republic-like risks); this supports gold’s role as a safe haven. - China faces deflationary pressure, overproduction challenges, and difficulty stimulating domestic demand; this weakens its growth and complicates its role in global demand. - The US and China are in a global trade tension, with potential shifts in productivity and supply chains; the discussion suggests a move toward a multipolar world rather than a simple US decline. Alternative payment and currency developments: - Bitcoin is viewed as a store of value akin to a Nasdaq stock, not a widely usable currency; it could be a modernized version of gold but lacks practical liquidity at scale. - Stablecoins are expected to evolve toward genuine stable value systems, potentially maturing into independent stablecoins that do not rely solely on the dollar. Implications for Russia, Argentina, and other economies: - Russia’s economy remains resilient due to structural factors and, crucially, support from China; fears of quick collapse have not materialized as feared. - Argentina’s experience illustrates eurodollar system constraints; IMF support can be transient, and sustained relief requires more than policy fixes, as the eurodollar network ultimately governs outcomes. Future scenarios and conclusions: - If China and the US escalate, the eurodollar system would likely shrink to a rump, with greater demand for the eurodollar settlement; instability could rise as the system reallocates around non-cooperating powers. - The emergence of private digital currencies and evolving stablecoins could gradually replace some functions of the eurodollar, but a complete replacement would be slow and complex. - The overall outlook is for a more multipolar world, with the US economy continuing to face structural challenges but not a complete collapse; the eurodollar system would gradually adapt to new technologies and currencies, potentially enabling continued but transformed global monetary flows.

Peter Schiff and the hosts discuss how surging gold and silver prices relate to potential banking instability and a broader dollar crisis. Key points: - Silver production is about 800,000,000 ounces per year, while bank shorts on silver are claimed at 4,400,000,000 ounces according to some reports. The implication is that if silver continues to rise, the biggest banks in America could face severe coverage challenges for their short positions. The discussion notes that many banks are “barely covering their asses to stay afloat.” - Gold and silver price levels are highlighted: gold at about $4,600 per ounce after a bounce, and silver at about $92 per ounce. Peter Schiff, introduced as a silver and gold expert and economist, has authored The Real Crash, How to Save Yourself and Your Country, and America’s Coming Bankruptcy. The host mentions the book. - Peter Schiff’s perspective on timing and crisis: he says the 2013 book predicted the current situation and that gold and silver have risen significantly—gold up, silver up substantially. He believes the price moves signal a major warning of a financial or economic crisis, comparing it to the subprime warning before the 2008 crisis. He asserts this time the warning concerns the U.S. government sovereign credit and a potential dollar crisis and U.S. Treasury crisis, possibly unfolding next year. - Connection to global debt and the dollar: Schiff explains that much debt is sustainable because the U.S. dollar serves as the global reserve currency, enabling continued spending. He notes foreign central banks buying gold instead of U.S. Treasuries, moving out of dollars into gold, and cites U.S. intervention in oil-rich Venezuela as part of broader moves to keep oil prices down. He argues that the dollar’s reserve status is eroding, and a meaningful decline in the dollar relative to other currencies could soon impact consumer prices and interest rates, leading to higher costs for Americans. - Impact on the average person: Schiff asserts that the reserve currency status has long supported a standard of living that relies on importing goods paid for with dollars created “out of thin air.” As the dollar collapses and the world shifts away from the dollar, the dollars earned and saved by ordinary people will buy less, with price spikes across goods and services. He suggests a future scenario where prices rise dramatically while wages do not keep pace, giving an example of a hamburger potentially rising from $15 to $30 or $50, and services versus goods diverging in price movement. - Preparation and investment stance: Schiff emphasizes that gold and silver have performed well since the turn of the century, outperforming the Dow in real terms. He argues for moving wealth into real money rather than paper assets and notes, in general terms, opportunities in mining stocks as a hedge, including juniors and mid-tier producers. He references the broader strategy of diversifying out of U.S. stocks, bonds, and dollars to protect wealth during what he describes as a coming real crisis; he stresses focusing on real assets rather than relying on the dollar. - Final remarks: Schiff reiterates that the crisis is coming and that some Americans should consider protecting wealth through precious metals and mining opportunities, while the hosts acknowledge the outlook and thank him for the insights.

The speaker argues that using the dollar as a tool of foreign policy is one of the biggest strategic mistakes by the US political leadership, stating that the dollar is the cornerstone of US power and that printing more dollars leads to their wide dispersion worldwide. Inflation in the United States is described as minimal, about 3% to 3.4%, and the speaker asserts that the US will not stop printing. The debt of $33 trillion is said to indicate emission, and the dollar is described as the main weapon used by the United States to preserve its power globally. Once the political leadership decided to use the US dollar as a tool of political struggle, the speaker claims a blow was dealt to American power. The speaker avoids strong language but calls the strategy a stupid thing to do and a grave mistake, pointing to world events as evidence. The speaker notes that US allies are downsizing their dollar reserves, and asserts that these actions cause everyone to seek ways to protect themselves. They claim that US restrictive measures—such as placing restrictions on transactions and freezing assets—cause great concern and send a signal to the world. A historical point is made: until 2022, about 80% of Russian foreign trade transactions were conducted in US dollars and euros, with US dollars accounting for approximately 50% of Russia’s transactions with third countries; currently, the share is down to 13%. The speaker emphasizes that Russia did not ban the use of the US dollar; it was a decision by the United States to restrict transactions in US dollars. The speaker contends that the policy is foolish from the standpoint of US interests and taxpayers because it damages the US economy and undermines US power, and notes that transactions in Yuan accounted for about 3%. Today, 34% of transactions are in rubles, and a little over 34% in yuan. The speaker asks why the United States did this, offering “self conceit” as the guess, claiming the US probably thought it would lead to full collapse, but nothing collapsed. Additionally, the speaker states that other countries, including oil producers, are thinking of and already accepting payments for oil in yuan. The question is posed to the United States about whether anyone realizes what is happening and what they are doing, as the speaker suggests that the US is cutting itself off. Finally, the speaker asserts that all experts say this, and that anyone intelligent in the United States should understand what the dollar means for the US, but claims the US is “killing it with your own hand.”

High taxes in the U.S. are often blamed for financial issues, but the real problem lies in how the government is funded. While taxes are high, they don't truly finance the government. Instead, the government relies on treasury bonds, primarily purchased by the Federal Reserve, which prints money to buy them. This creates an illusion of funding through taxes, but in reality, the government is financed by money printed out of thin air. If people understood this, confidence in the dollar could collapse, leading to severe consequences for Western civilization. Urgent policy changes are needed to prevent a financial crisis similar to past mistakes. There’s still time to act before the situation worsens.

Mario and Jeff discuss what the current geopolitical and monetary environment means for gold, the US dollar, and the broader system that underpins global finance. - Gold and asset roles - Gold is a portfolio asset that does not compete with the dollar; it competes with the stock market and tends to rise when people are concerned about risky assets. It is a “safe haven store value” rather than a monetary instrument aimed at replacing the dollar. - Historically, gold did not reliably hedge inflation in 2021–2022 when the economy seemed to be recovering; in downturns, gold becomes more attractive as a store of value. Recent moves up in gold price over the last two months are viewed as pricing in multiple factors, including potential economic downturn and questionable macro conditions. - The dollar and de-dollarization - The eurodollar system is a vast, largely ledger-based network of US-dollar balances held offshore, allowing near-instantaneous movement of funds. It is not simply “the euro,” and it predates and outlived any single country’s policy. Replacing it would be like recreating the Internet from scratch. - De-dollarization discussions are driven more by political narratives than monetary mechanics. Central banks selling dollar assets during shortages is a liquidity management response, not a repudiation of the dollar. - The dollar’s dominance remains intact because there is no ready substitute meeting all its functions. Replacing the dollar would require replacing the entire set of dollar functions across global settlement, payments, and liquidity provisioning. - Bank reserves, reserves composition, and the size of the eurodollar market - The share of US dollars in foreign reserves has declined, but this is not seen as a meaningful signal about the system’s functionality or dominance; the real issue is the level of settlement and liquidity, which remains heavily dollar-based. - The eurodollar market is enormous and largely offshore, with little public reporting. It is described as a “black hole” that drives movements in the system and is extremely hard to measure precisely. - Current dynamics: debt, safety, and liquidity - The debt ceiling and growing US debt are acknowledged as concerns, but the view presented is that debt dynamics do not destabilize the Treasury market as long as demand for safety and liquidity remains high. In a depression-like environment, US Treasuries are still viewed as the safest and most liquid form of debt, which sustains their price and keeps yields relatively contained. - Gold is safe but not highly liquid as collateral; Treasuries provide liquidity. Central banks use gold to diversify reserves and stabilize currencies (e.g., yuan), but Treasuries remain central to collateral needs in a broad financial system. - China, the US, and global growth - China’s economy faces deflationary pressures, with ten consecutive quarters of deflation in the Chinese GDP deflator, raising questions about domestic demand. Attempts to stimulate have had limited success; overproduction and rebalancing efforts aim to reduce supply to match demand, potentially increasing unemployment and lowering investment. - The US faces a weakening labor market; recent job shedding and rising delinquencies in consumer and corporate credit markets heighten uncertainty about the credit system. This underpins gold’s appeal as a store of value. - China remains heavily dependent on the US consumer; despite decoupling rhetoric, demand for Chinese goods and the global supply chain ties keep the US-China relationship central to global dynamics. The prospect of a Chinese-led fourth industrial revolution (AI, quantum computing) is viewed skeptically as unlikely to overcome structural inefficiencies of a centralized planning model. - Gold, Bitcoin, and alternative systems - Bitcoin is described as a Nasdaq-stock-like store of value tied to tech equities; it is not seen as a robust currency or a wide-scale payment system based on liquidity. It could, in theory, be a superior version of gold someday, but today it behaves like other speculative assets. - The conversation weighs the potential for a shift away from the eurodollar toward private digital currencies or a mix of public-private digital currencies. The idea that a completely decentralized system could replace the eurodollar is acknowledged as a long-term possibility, but currently, stablecoins are evolving toward stand-alone viability rather than a wholesale replacement. - The broader arc and forecast - The trade war is seen as a redistribution of productive capacity rather than a definitive win for either side; macroeconomic outcomes in the 2020s are shaped by monetary conditions and the eurodollar system’s functioning more than by policy interventions alone. - The speakers foresee a future with multipolarity and a gradually evolving monetary regime, possibly moving from the eurodollar toward a suite of digital currencies—some private, some public—while gold remains a key store of value in times of systemic risk. - Argentina, Russia, and Europe - Argentina’s crisis is framed as an outcome of eurodollar malfunctioning; IMF interventions offer only temporary stabilization in the face of ongoing liquidity and deflationary pressures. - Russia remains integrated with global finance through channels like the eurodollar system, even after sanctions; the resilience of energy sectors and external support from partners like China helps it endure. - Europe is acknowledged as facing a difficult, depressing outlook, reinforcing the broader narrative of a challenging global macro environment. Overall, gold is framed as a prudent hedge within a complex, interconnected, and evolving eurodollar system, with no imminent replacement of the dollar in sight, while the path toward a multi-currency or digital-currency future remains uncertain and gradual.

Donald Trump’s second term is accelerating the US dollar’s downfall and could reshape the global monetary system in a manner reminiscent of Nixon’s 1971 move ending the Bretton Woods era, according to Guangzhou, chief economist at Bank of China’s investment arm. Trump’s aggressive tariffs rolled out in April are rattling global trade and finance to their core, with Guangzhou drawing a chilling parallel to the Nixon shock. The dollar’s grip on global reserves has fallen to a thirty-year low of 56.32% in Q2, down 1.47 percentage points. Nations are ditching US assets in droves, with net purchases plunging 94.4% to a mere $510,000,000, based on US Treasury data. Guangzhou notes that Trump’s war on the Fed’s independence is eroding confidence in US policy, making this meltdown dwarf the chaos of the 1970s. For China, this scenario presents prime timing to influence the currency landscape. Guangzhou urges Beijing to turbocharge the yuan’s global rise by expanding financial clout. The proposed path includes swinging open financial gates, syncing with international norms, unleashing innovative yuan tools, and supercharging Shanghai and Hong Kong as powerhouse hubs. As the dollar fades, the yuan could rise, potentially ushering in a multipolar currency showdown. If you’re craving razor-sharp geopolitical breakdowns like this, subscribe to New Rules Geopolitics to stay on top of global trends.

Jeff: Gold is not a monetary instrument the way people often think. It’s actually easy to understand once you move away from the idea that gold is tied to dollar inflation. Gold is simply a portfolio asset, a store of value, and the preeminent safe haven store value. Gold doesn’t compete with the dollar; it competes with the stock market or risky credit markets. The notion of “de-dollarization” largely comes from political context rather than monetary mechanics. Mario: So gold prices rising—how should we think about that trade? Jeff: Gold tends to go up when people are concerned about risky assets because it’s a safe haven. It performed poorly as an inflation hedge in 2021–2022 when the economy seemed to recover and policymakers seemed to have hit the right policy mix. Now, with conditions leaning toward an economic downturn and “Nvidia AI stocks” looking bubbly, gold has revived as a safe haven. The last two months reflect the factors I’ve cited being priced into the gold market. Mario: People talk about the death of the US dollar. Is gold not tied to that? Jeff: They’ve been talking about de-dollarization for twenty years. The dollar remains dominant because there is no replacement for its functions; replacing it would be like recreating the Internet from scratch. The Eurodollar system grew because it could meet many needs in a flexible way, including for asset-holders who want to keep things in US-dollar terms. If you’re trying to hide assets, you keep them in US-dollar terms, and there are places to do so. Mario: The dollar’s share of foreign reserves has fallen from 72% to 58% in recent years. Doesn’t that show a shift away from the dollar? Jeff: That drop isn’t necessarily meaningful for reserve mechanics. What matters is the level of settlement and payments, which are still 90% in US dollars. The yuan is rising in FX settlements, but it’s not replacing the dollar; it’s competing with other currencies on the other side of the dollar. The dollar is as dominant as ever, and there’s no easy replacement because you’d have to replace all its functions. Replacing the dollar network would be like recreating the Internet—massive, complex, and gradual. Mario: What about the Eurodollar market itself? How big is it? Jeff: Nobody knows. It’s offshore, regulatory offshore, with little reporting; it’s a black hole. Eurodollars are “numbers on a screen,” ledger money, not physical dollars. The Eurodollar system lets money move quickly worldwide through bank-ledger networks, integrating various ledgers. It’s the global settlement mechanism, and its size is effectively unknowable, yet it’s the currency the world uses. Mario: Why do central banks buy gold now, especially China? Jeff: Gold is a portfolio asset, a diversification tool. Central banks must diversify reserves; they still need some US Treasuries for the eurodollar system, but gold helps balance risk. In China’s case, gold supports yuan stability and diversifies reserves beyond US assets. Mario: What happens if a conflict with China disrupts the system? What replaces the dollar or the eurodollar plumbing? Jeff: It’s the great unknown. If there’s a real shooting war, China could be cut off by many, and the dollar system would shrink to those willing to participate. The eurodollar would strengthen as a settlement medium, though with a smaller global footprint. The idea of replacing the eurodollar with a Chinese-led system is unlikely; gold’s role in cross-border settlement remains limited, and gold alone isn’t a reliable settlement instrument. Mario: Is China building a “gold corridor” to decouple from the dollar? Jeff: The gold corridor theory reflects ongoing speculation. There have been many schemes—Petro-dollar, digital currencies, Belt and Road—that have not proven game-changing in defeating the dollar system. Gold in that context is not a robust settlement mechanism across geographies; the eurodollar system arose to move away from gold settlement. Mario: Why are people hoarding gold? How does the US debt situation affect the dollar’s safety? Jeff: US debt is a concern, but safety and liquidity demand still drives demand for government debt, not gold. Gold is safe but illiquid as collateral; liquidity is why Treasuries remain central. The debt grows, but the treasury market has remained robust because it’s the deepest market and the safest liquid asset. The larger risk lies in the federal government's expanding footprint and the potential debt trap, where stimulus doesn’t spur growth and leads to rising debt. Mario: What about Bitcoin as a store of value? And how about Russia? Jeff: Bitcoin behaves like a Nasdaq stock—more of a store of value tied to tech equities than a broad currency. It’s not likely to become a widespread medium of exchange. Russia remains connected to the US system; it’s less about the Russian economy collapsing and more about how energy and sanctions interact. The eurodollar system has kept Russia afloat through channels like the UAE, and it’s unlikely that Russia’s fate hinges on a single currency shift. Mario: Will the US empire fall or evolve into a multipolar world? Jeff: Likely a multipolar world, not a complete fall of the US empire. I’m long-term optimistic on the US and global economy. The eurodollar system could slowly be replaced by private digital currencies, with stablecoins evolving toward independence. The transition would be gradual, with multiple private digital currencies emerging, while the eurodollar would persist in a rump form if needed.