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Congress members have "APAC people," essentially APAC babysitters, who are deeply embedded in APAC and have direct contact with the members. Some congressmen admit they will consult their "APAC guy" to influence ad campaigns. The speaker questions why this relationship is not public knowledge, suggesting it's not beneficial for congressmen to be seen as having a buddy system with a foreign country representative. The speaker also shares Thomas Massey's anti-war stance, highlighting his concerns about escalating tensions with Iran and the influence of the military-industrial complex. Massey points out that as soon as the US stopped spending $50 billion a year in Afghanistan, they started spending $50 billion in Ukraine. He suggests that Massey's anti-war position transcends specific conflicts or groups, aligning with a desire to stop people from dying, a sentiment the speaker associates with Donald Trump's campaign promises.

This conversation centers on Israel, lobbying, and US policy. Speaker 0 says he’s been very pro Israel and defender of its right to defend itself, but has 'no skin whatsoever in defending any lobbyist group,' and has declined repeated invitations to go to Israel. He notes mounting pressure to stay aligned and that he’s not on Hamas’ side, though his views have shifted since 10/08/23. Speaker 1 explains APAC is 'not registered under FARA' and describes freshman trips to Israel, meetings with government members. He notes that '3.8, billion dollars in funding for Israel' is an annual decision, that Israel is 'less than 400,000,000,000 in debt,' and that Israelis have 'government funded health care' and 'government funded college.' He questions why the US funds this given its own economic strain, citing that 'we buy money from your defense contractors' and that Israel can buy from Israeli defense contractors.

They're not registered. He explains Republicans tell him they'd vote with him but "would just take too much flack back home," and that "everybody but me has an APAC person"—an "APAC babysitter" embedded with a congressman. He notes four members said they'll talk to their APAC person to "dial those ads back." He asks why this isn't more widely known, saying "It doesn't benefit anybody. Why would they wanna tell their constituents that they've basically got a buddy system with somebody who's representing a foreign country?" He contends "it's the only country that does this" with an APAC liaison; "they pay for trips for congressmen and their spouses to go to Israel," describing the trip as "vacationy"—seeing the wall and the Dead Sea. The dialog contrasts love of Israel with "the government of Israel" and ends with "That's a completely different thing from taking orders from its government."

Many members of Congress have an APAC representative, akin to a babysitter, who communicates on behalf of APAC. This person is often a constituent but is closely tied to APAC. On the Republican side, it's common for members to have lunch with their APAC contacts, who have their personal cell numbers for direct communication. Some Congress members have mentioned consulting their "APAC guy" to influence ad campaigns. This relationship is not publicly acknowledged, as it doesn't benefit Congress members to reveal they have a connection with a foreign entity.

Speaker 2 notes that some members of Congress may be personally compromised and don’t want the truth to get out. Speaker 3 says: “You got powerful people, and they write the big checks” who “love their money” and protect it. He describes a honeypot tactic, noting Russians used it; overseas trips can lead to scandal, with a well-dressed man whispering, “There’s tapes out on you” before a key vote. He recalls a trip with Andy Biggs and being pressured after sleeping with someone abroad. He cites a Chinese prostitution ring busted in Washington, DC with a client list of “High ranking officials, in government, elected officials, and lobbyists,” whose story disappeared. He says these people are “employed by forces that want to control Congress” via spouses or employment agencies, “they employ them.” He concludes, “America's not buying that… 12% of the population votes, this is what you get.”

A reporter from the Stue Peters Network repeatedly asks members of congress whether they care more about the American people or Israel. One congressman says Israel is a strong ally and needs US support. The reporter asks if the US should continue funding Israel despite its links to 9/11 and the attack on the USS Liberty, and claims that APAC money is flowing into Congress. Another representative compares the question to asking if he loves his wife more than his daughter, stating they are different loves. He does not answer directly. One congressman states he cares more about the American people, making him the first to give that answer. The reporter asks if APAC should register as a foreign agent, claiming it is pumping hundreds of thousands of dollars into congressional candidates and promoting an Israel-first policy.

The discussion centers on the way lawmakers reference religion in foreign policy and whether that approach is effective. Speaker 0 asks the audience how many think a respected lawmaker like Ted Cruz uses the Bible to justify aid to Israel, even if he doesn’t know the verse, and whether that is the best approach. Speaker 1 responds by referencing Ted Cruz’s Genesis twelve three, and notes that many find that off-putting when contrasted with the New Testament, specifically Paul’s writings about the new flesh not being the same as the people in the old covenant. Speaker 1 asks, “Yes. Romans nine?” and agrees with the sentiment. Speaker 0 then asks Speaker 1 if they are Catholic, to which Speaker 1 replies that they are converting Catholic from Judaism, revealing that they are ethnically Jewish. The exchange confirms Speaker 1’s Jewish ethnicity. Speaker 0 brings up concerns about APAC, asking if Speaker 1 has concerns about APAC. Speaker 1 confirms that they do. Speaker 0 notes that some people tell them that criticizing APAC equates to being anti-Semitic, asking whether this is true. Speaker 1 calls that notion ridiculous and says it’s great to have concern for one’s country. The conversation shifts to APAC’s influence. Speaker 0 presents a characterization (as a possible summary of Speaker 1’s view) that APAC represents a form of prioritization that cuts in line, away from the American people. Speaker 0 asks whether this is a fair summary. Speaker 1 answers affirmatively, “100%.” Finally, they articulate the core idea: the public votes and are citizens, but a separate group is described as receiving higher priority for whatever reasons. Speaker 1’s agreement underscores a shared concern that APAC’s influence creates a prioritization that bypasses the ordinary American electorate.

Two speakers discuss U.S. policy on Israel, lobbying, and domestic politics. Speaker 0 says she’s pro-Israel and defender of Israel’s right to defend itself and of American Jews on campuses, but has no loyalty to any lobby group and has refused trips to Israel. She notes rising pressure to stay in a stance, saying, 'you're not allowed to' move off the lily pad. Speaker 1 explains APAC’s influence in Washington: 'APAC takes every single that they can, freshman, member of Congress, their first year... they take them on a very special trip to Israel' and that Israel receives '3.8 billion dollars in funding for Israel' annually, with an exception allowing purchases from Israeli defense contractors. He contrasts Israel’s economy with the U.S. debt and asks why Americans fund Israel. They emphasize America First, say 'any anti Israel people are welcome here,' and mention Judge McFadden's flag ruling about Israel.

APAC is ostensibly a group of Americans who lobby on behalf of Israel, and they're very effective. As a candidate, they wanted me to do homework for them on Israel. When I refused, they suggested I copy Rand Paul's paper. I may be the only Republican in Congress who hasn't done homework for them. They tried to get to me through churches, using organizations like Christians United for Israel to co-opt evangelicals. After I was elected, they ran ads against me, so I banned them from my office. This cycle, they spent $400,000 against me. I think they're afraid of one person speaking the truth. They've called me a bigot and an anti-Semite, which is disgusting. I'm not anti-Semitic, but I don't like APAC. They should be registered with FARA, like anyone lobbying for a foreign government. Many Republicans agree with me privately but fear the backlash. Everyone has an "APAC person" they talk to, which is crazy. No other country has this kind of influence.

Many members of Congress have an "APAC person," akin to a babysitter, who communicates on behalf of APAC. This person is often a constituent but is closely tied to APAC. On the Republican side, it's common for members to have lunch with their APAC contacts, who have direct access to them. Some members have mentioned consulting their "APAC guy" to influence advertising decisions. It's surprising that this arrangement isn't widely known, as it could be perceived negatively by constituents. Congress members likely keep this relationship private because it doesn't serve their interests to disclose that they have a close connection with a representative of a foreign entity.

The speaker states that the promise was to put America first, and believes there are still voices in the administration, such as J.D. Vance, Tulsi Gabbard, and RFK Junior, who could prevail. However, they were not persuasive in this case, but somebody was. The speaker claims that APAC, the Israeli lobby in congress, is very persuasive. The speaker observes that their colleagues' social media feeds all look the same, tweeting the same message about supporting Israel.

Speaker 1 stated that the Congress of the United States is like an Israeli occupied territory because of the influence of the pro-Israel lobby, which is one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington. They believe that the automatic votes for aid to Israel may not always be in the national interest of the United States. Speaker 1 also mentioned that members of Congress often vote in favor of powerful lobbies because they cannot withstand the pressure. When asked why they singled out the pro-Israel lobby, Speaker 1 explained that it was in response to a specific question about Israeli aid.

Republicans often feel pressured by APAC to vote a certain way, with each member having an "APAC person" influencing them. APAC arranges trips to Israel for congressmen, but not all have gone. Despite personal love for Israel, they differentiate between the people and the government. The speaker enjoys visiting Israel with family but emphasizes not taking orders from its government.

I can't believe I'm the only one without an APAC person! It's like having a babysitter who's constantly on you about APAC. Apparently every member has someone like this. On the Republican side, these APAC people have your cell number, and you're expected to have lunch with them when they're in DC. It's insane! Why haven't I heard about this before? Why would politicians want their constituents to know they've got a buddy system with someone representing a foreign country? Does any other country do this? They even pay for congressmen and their spouses to go to Israel. I wonder what happens on these trips? You know, you go see the wall.

Members of Congress on the Republican side have an "APAC person," described as an "APAC babysitter," who regularly communicates with them regarding APAC matters. These individuals are often constituents but are deeply involved with APAC. Members meet with them when they visit D.C., exchange cell numbers, and have ongoing conversations. Some members have said they would "talk to my APAC guy" to potentially influence ad campaigns. The speaker questions why this arrangement is not more widely known, suggesting that members of Congress may not want to publicize their relationships with individuals representing a foreign country, as it doesn't benefit them politically.

"Israel is the only country I know of that has some sort of incredible influence and control over nearly every single one of my colleagues." "Because APAC are Americans, therefore, they can legally donate to members of congress and senators." "Freshman, member of congress, or first year in congress, they take them on a very special trip to Israel in August." "That's Dems the and Republicans or just Republicans? They take both of them. Yes." "So they take them on this trip to Israel." "They wear the, kippah." "They and even though they're Christians. They're they're not Jewish, but yet they're adorning, Jewish attire, and they're at these Jewish, religious sites." "The Israeli government is secular." "This is not the biblical Israel." "It is the secular government of Israel."

Speaker 0: "I'm very pro Israel" and "defensive of their right to defend themselves," but "I have absolutely no skin whatsoever in defending any lobbyist group, including AIPAC" and asks, "what they do to get the loyalty of politicians." She refuses outreach to visit Israel, wanting to "cover this conflict from here" and insisting she is not "on Hamas" side. Speaker 1: "'APAC is not registered under FARA' and explains lobbying tactics: taking freshmen on 'a very special trip to Israel,' inviting 'influencers,' and that Israel receives '3.8 billion dollars in funding for Israel.' He notes 'Israel is the only democracy in The Middle East' and says Israel can 'use that money to buy from Israeli defense contractors' instead of American ones. He cites Judge McFadden on flag-burning and says, 'We don't have time to fund what you're doing.' Ad: 'text m k to the number 989898.'

The speaker describes meeting with prime minister Netanyahu as part of a Christian conservative Gen Z focus group, noting that Netanyahu listened attentively and heard their concerns. "APAC is not an Israeli organization. It has no ties whatsoever to the government of Israel. It's not foreign lobbying." "APAC, like, makes up less than 5% of the lobbying." "Israel is not offering to fund anybody. They're not trying to get involved in American political advocacy groups. That has never happened." "If you're about this, who you should be concerned about is Qatar because they are doing this." "Many of these protests slash riots that you see destroying our cities, a lot of that has foreign funding from Qatar." "Netanyahu's first address to congress was to say that they didn't want aid."

Speaker 0 asserts that they have never taken money from the Israel lobby and asks if Speaker 1 has. Speaker 1 clarifies that APAC raises a lot of money for him, but emphasizes that the fundraisers are individuals, not the PAC itself, meaning it’s a misnomer to say the PAC raises money. He describes APAC as an American lobby and explains that APAC stands for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. He admits APAC is not a “foreign lobby” and says its purpose is not effectively defined as a single objective. He states his own entry into Congress thirteen years ago with the goal of being the leading defender of Israel in the United States Senate and says he has worked every day to that end. He notes that APAC is sometimes more effective than he wishes and then characterizes APAC as “a fever swamp of terrified of APAC.” Speaker 0 challenges the idea that APAC lobbies on behalf of the Israeli government, insisting that APAC lobbies for a foreign government. Speaker 1 responds that APAC is not lobbying for a foreign government; it is lobbying for a strong US–Israel relationship and for America and Israel to be closely allied. Speaker 0 maintains that APAC is lobbying for the interests of another country and reiterates that it is not true that APAC has nothing to do with the government. Speaker 0 asks about how much contact APAC leaders have with the government of Israel, and Speaker 1 acknowledges some contact, suggesting that the government of Israel is often frustrated with APAC, and asks whether they talk. He compares the situation to lobbying for more US–Mexico trade, noting that one would talk to both sides. Speaker 0 accepts that there are many countries that lobby Washington, including Israel, and expresses familiarity with how lobbying works, including knowing Americans who lobby on behalf of foreign governments and even being related to some. The central question for Speaker 0 is not whether foreign governments lobby the United States, but why it isn’t admitted as a common practice. He states that it’s true that many countries lobby Washington, including Israel, and asks why they aren’t registered as foreign lobbies. Speaker 1 responds that they are not registered as such.

Members of Congress on the Republican side have an "APAC person," described as an "APAC babysitter" who constantly communicates with them on behalf of APAC. These individuals are often constituents but are deeply connected to APAC. Members meet with them in DC, exchange cell numbers, and have ongoing conversations. Four members of Congress have told the speaker they would consult their "APAC guy" to potentially influence ad campaigns. The speaker questions why this arrangement is not more widely known. The speaker believes congressmen conceal this relationship because it could be detrimental to reveal they have a close connection with someone representing a foreign country.

Checklist for Summary Approach: - Identify core topics: APAC and JPAC mentions, influence on political considerations, and the link to lobbying. - Preserve speaker attribution and the sequence of statements. - Retain key direct quotes that convey the main points and tone. - Exclude filler repetition where it does not alter the essential meaning, but note any recurring motifs (e.g., “it’s interesting”). - Highlight any surprising or unique points: first-time APAC mention, perceived decline of APAC in daily discourse. - Convey the overarching takeaway: the discussion ties APAC references to the concept of lobbying, without evaluating claims. - Translate or preserve language as in the transcript; ensure accuracy of claims. - Keep the summary within 369-462 words. Summary: Two speakers discuss APAC’s presence in political discourse and its relevance to lobbying. The exchange centers on whether APAC features in their considerations and in broader political calculations. Speaker 0 begins by noting, “Interesting. You're, like, the first to bring up APAC in yours, which is interesting.” This line recurs a bit later: “It’s interesting. I mean, it’s it’s interesting. I haven’t thought about APAC. And it’s interesting. You’re, like, the first to bring up APAC in yours, which is interesting.” The second speaker responds with a decisive political stance: “I will not vote for a candidate that takes $1 from APAC.” The dialogue then turns to the relevance of APAC in daily life. Speaker 0 questions the day-to-day significance, saying, “Why did I say that? Not not relevant to the my day to day life. Okay. Which is just interesting. Listen.” He continues, “It’s interesting you say that. JPAC perhaps more, but APAC less and less. Okay. Fair enough. Which is just interesting.” He explains what he finds interesting about the topic: “What’s interesting about it? That it’s just interesting as you bring up APAC that it hasn’t been part of I’m just reflecting quite openly and honestly. It hasn’t been part of the day to day.” He contrasts the two groups, noting that “JPAC perhaps more, but APAC less and less,” and concedes this point with, “Okay. Fair enough. Which is just interesting.” The conversation ends by clarifying the purpose of bringing up APAC in the first place. Speaker 1 states the underlying motive plainly: “The only reason why I ask is because with that, what I’m talking about is lobbying in and of itself.” Throughout, the speakers repeatedly return to the notion that APAC’s presence in discourse is novel or diminishing, and they link that observation to broader questions about how lobbying factors into political considerations, without making judgments about the claims themselves.

So, what's an APAC person? Think of them as your APAC babysitter, always in contact, deeply rooted in APAC. Most Republican members have someone like this. When they visit DC, you have lunch, exchange numbers, and stay in touch. I've personally heard members of Congress say, "I'll talk to my APAC guy" to potentially influence ad strategies. Why haven't you heard about this before? Well, it's not beneficial for a congressman to advertise a buddy system with someone representing a foreign country. They're not likely to publicize it.

The discussion centers on US support for Israel, with Speaker 0 stating that the US provides Israel with $3 billion annually in military aid, which benefits US national security through intelligence sharing, particularly from Mossad. Speaker 1 questions the cost of military actions to protect Israel and whether Israel spies on the US, including the president. Speaker 0 acknowledges that allies spy on each other and defends the alliance with Israel as beneficial for the US. The conversation shifts to AIPAC, with Speaker 1 questioning whether it lobbies on behalf of the Israeli government and why it isn't registered as a foreign lobby. Speaker 0 denies this, stating that AIPAC is an American lobby that promotes a strong US-Israeli relationship. Speaker 1 suggests AIPAC's goals are shaped by the Israeli government, while Speaker 0 denies coordination and accuses Speaker 1 of being obsessed with Israel. Speaker 1 denies being anti-Semitic and defends their right to question foreign influence on US politics.

A reporter from the Stue Peters Network repeatedly asks members of congress whether they care more about the American people or Israel. One congressman says Israel is a strong ally and needs US support, while another compares the question to asking if he loves his wife or daughter more. The reporter asks if the US should continue funding Israel despite alleged links to 9/11 and the attack on the USS Liberty, and suggests that APAC money influences congress. One congressman says he cares more about the American people, making him the first to give that answer. The reporter asks if APAC should register as a foreign agent.

Politicians have close ties with APAC, like a babysitter. They have lunch and conversations with APAC members who influence their decisions. Some congress members even ask their "APAC guy" to tone down ads. This buddy system is surprising and not widely known.