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“the biggest problem in our culture is to deny that there is a demonic realm, pretend like there isn't.” They list hallmarks: “Disorder, distraction, chaos, violence, hate, division.” They argue Satan would go after Hollywood to “influence … producers to create films … with an underlying message … normalization of immoral activity.” They point to Friends as an example with “an ugly sexual ethic” that could lead to casual sex, and say Hollywood products open us up to the occult. They argue subversion targets leaders and children: pastors’ scandals, teachers, “libraries doing children's readings of and drag shows to little kids” to capture minds young. They discuss why evil persists; “If you believe in Jesus, you gotta believe in angels. You gotta believe in demons. You gotta believe in heaven. You gotta believe in hell.” They cite: “forty percent of Americans have had an experience that they can only attribute to a miracle of God,” and the rest may know someone who has. They propose to notice distractions; “you will experience the supernatural” in “forty eight hours.”

Challenging scientism, the talk argues that "supernatural experiences are a feature of everyone's life" and that reality includes what science can't measure. Lee Strobel, a Chicago Tribune journalist turned pastor, investigates miracles, near-death experiences, mystical dreams, angels, and demons with empirical scrutiny. Angels are "created by God before humankind was created" and may appear; cases range from John G. Paton to guardian-angel discussions. Demons are "fallen angels" with limited power; exorcisms occur and Christians are protected by the Holy Spirit ("greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world"). Miracles are "a temporary exception to the ordinary course of nature for the purpose of showing that God has acted in history," with peer‑reviewed studies in Mozambique and Brazil and healings like Barbara’s MS cure and gastroparesis reversal. Near-death experiences and deathbed visions are cited as evidence of the soul and afterlife, featuring life reviews and angelic encounters. The takeaway urges grounding belief in scripture while remaining open to the supernatural.

Faith is the most important thing. 'we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities and darkness and spirits, that there's a spiritual war here.' Those anchored to faith see what's going on; those not anchored 'lose their mind.' 'Only a demonic enterprise would do such a thing.' 'Only a demonic enterprise would say that Easter and Pentecost are not essential, but race rioting and burning down a Wendy's is a central activity.' 'God created the heavens and the earth, and then he separated and he made sense. He made order out of chaos.' 'The distinction between male and female. The distinction between man and nature. The distinction between the holy and the profane. The distinction between good and evil. The distinction between infant and adults.' Satan's goal is to blur and destroy those distinctions, for order comes from them and without them Western civilization faces chaos.

I believe in God, a supernatural being who created and sustains the universe. Christianity and science are not contradictory; in fact, Christianity gave me my subject as a scientist. The atheist argument that we must choose between God and science is flawed. God is not a scientific explanation, but rather a different kind of explanation. The fine-tuning of the fundamental forces of nature points to a supernatural plan. Reason and morality cannot be explained without the existence of God. The existence of Jesus Christ and his resurrection provide evidence for the existence and nature of God. Ultimately, God is not a theory, but a person whom I have come to know and trust.

I was involved in a cult that attacked Christians. I channeled demons who wanted to cause chaos. At 16, I met Satan himself, and our cult started specifically targeting Christians, including clergy. However, we couldn't harm Christians who were actively praying for protection. This made me angry and curious about the power Christians had to nullify demons. The Lord's prayer provides perfect protection, and nothing can get through. I find comfort in knowing that Satan is defeated and has no power. I wish more people understood this.

Lee Strombold introduces the interview after noting, "So you've written a book. I don't do a lot of book interviews, but couldn't resist this one." The discussion centers on "Seeing the supernatural, investigating angels, demons, mystical dreams, near death encounters, and other mysteries of the unseen world." The host says, "I think a lot of us sense or know on some level, in fact, I think everybody knows on some level that there is a world that science can't measure or quantify." They add: "You know, that there's there's stuff that we can't explain." "Yeah. But it's it's no less real for our inability to explain it." The host concludes, "So let's let's go through the list."

Jorge Pabon, known on air as JP, reveals his identity on national television after decades in shadow. He describes a career in the United States Army focused on special classified UFO and space programs, including work related to moon bases and underground ocean bases. He states his full name, rank, and service details, sharing documents (redacted in parts) to verify his background: he was a 91 Juliet quartermaster of chemical repairs, dealing with water purification, and he also served as a translator in the Army. He explains he knew three languages (Spanish, Portuguese, and another) and that he was a paratrooper attached to the 7th Special Forces Group, though not a Green Beret. He clarifies his rank as E-4 during that period. Discharge and disclosures: Pabon left the Army in August of the previous year. He signed non-disclosure agreements, with certain restrictions remaining; he has received a “green light” to talk about some topics from contacts connected to Washington, though the channels and specifics are not fully disclosed. He notes growing calls for disclosure, including videos and officers’ testimonies, and he anticipates more soldiers like him coming forward in documentaries about their experiences. Prior encounters and witnesses: Before enlisting, Pabon was approached by individuals in tactical gear who urged him to take photographs of unusual aircraft (including TR-3B-type triangular craft). He was repeatedly approached by “white hats” who told him when to look up and photograph ships. He faced two opposing forces: one encouraging disclosure and another urging secrecy or intimidation; at times he and his family were pressured or harassed as a consequence of his disclosures. He states that hundreds of thousands of soldiers worldwide have seen similar phenomena and that others in his network are cautious about coming forward due to security and spiritual implications. UFO sightings and military projects: Pabon describes a range of experiences, including a significant pre-military sightings period with cigar-shaped craft observed in Tampa and Orlando, often near helicopters. He sent photographs to Dr. Michael E. Sala and other outlets; the Tampa Bay Times and others discussed his work without naming him. He recalls being approached by both supporters and suppressors of disclosure, with some encounters including armed individuals in tactical gear who questioned or escorted him. Underwater arcs and extraterrestrial bases: A central claim is the existence of massive, ancient arc ships—underwater “arcs” or cities—scattered around the world, including near Bermuda, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, near India, and Antarctica. He describes arcs as immense, city-like structures with multiple levels, capable of movement between air and water, and reportedly housing diverse personnel from multiple nations and even other species. He asserts the arcs are ancient, far more advanced than current human technology, and contain departments for different regions (e.g., Pacific arcs). These bases purportedly facilitate collaboration among humans and various extraterrestrial groups, including Nordics and other beings. Transportation and operations: Missions to arcs involve multi-branch and international collaboration, with personnel from the Army, Navy, and other services, sometimes deployed via Osprey, Black Hawk, or C-130 aircraft, to water-adjacent sites where ships lower into the water and reveal arc facilities. He describes landing on a navy-type ship that houses arcs and can extend underwater; ducts and elevators move personnel to arc interiors with unfamiliar materials and technologies. He emphasizes that the arcs are self-contained bases with the ability to move rapidly underwater. Beings and contact: Pabon reports encounters with Nordics, “ant people” (ant-like beings with large eyes and distinctive hair-like projections), and occasional gray entities observed at distance. He claims some beings can change appearance to blend with humans. He suggests a hierarchical structure among ETs, with Nordics involved in training or coordinating certain activities with human forces, including pilots and Artemis Accord participants. He links interdimensional and spiritual dimensions to the phenomena, describing experiences of consciousness, presence, and a sense of ships as living or alive. Personal perspective and beliefs: He discusses the intersection of faith and ufology, noting his Christian background and the complexity of interpreting these experiences as spiritual or demonic, but maintaining openness to a broad spectrum of phenomena, including interdimensional aspects and ancient AI-like technologies. He mentions the Monroe Institute and gateway experiences as contextual references for understanding interdimensional communication. He asserts a belief that the United States has access to advanced technologies—potentially borrowed through collaboration with Nordics and other groups—and that global cooperation among nations is part of these programs. Locations and additional claims: In addition to Puerto Rico, Bermuda, and Atlantic sites, Pabon mentions Antarctica as a locus of high technology and space-relevant radio-frequency systems. He references Alabama as a site where Nordics allegedly trained pilots connected to Artemis Accord activities. He recounts Brazil as an early personal contact point where an arc allegedly appeared near Cardos Novas, leading to a transformative personal experience. He claims a Brazilian arc has been publicly recognized as the Arc of Brazil. Closing perspective: The interview underscores a belief that disclosure may occur in phases, with multiple arcs and interactions across nations and a variety of ET groups. Pabon emphasizes the personal risks he and his family have faced, the complexity of the network surrounding disclosure, and his hope that public exposure will advance understanding of these phenomena.

Lee Strobel argues that the West has a “religion” of scientism, denying the reality of supernatural experiences. He blends journalism and empiricism to explore miracles, near-death experiences, mystical dreams, and angels/demons. He cites cases: John G. Paton’s island incident with warriors and white-clad figures; his own vision at age 12; repeated theme that some experiences point to heaven and salvation by grace. He discusses angels as God's messengers, guardian possibilities, and warnings against praying to them, preferring prayers to God. Demons, fallen angels, Satan’s activity, exorcisms, and possession vs oppression; a psychiatrist witness (Richard Gallagher) with cases of levitation, languages, and attacks. He reviews miracles documented in peer-reviewed journals (blindness to sight, MS healing Barbara), and scientifically studied miracles in Mozambique and Brazil. Near-death experiences and deathbed visions show life review, encounters with angels, and evidence of the soul. He argues for humility before the supernatural and personal spiritual readiness.

We have lost contact with the divine, whether you call it spirit, anima mundi, or the holy spirit. Many people only understand the material world, so the divine communicates through physical manifestations. This includes experiences like UFO sightings, which provide tangible evidence that resonates with our understanding. While some individuals may have spiritual revelations, most rely on empirical proof. The appearance of these phenomena in the physical realm captures the attention of those who typically dismiss spiritual experiences, as it aligns with their need for concrete evidence. This communication from the spirit world speaks to us in a language we recognize: the physical.

Dan Duvall returns to the deep end conversation, weaving together time travel lore, dark esoteric systems, and practical ministry aims. The discussion touches on government-grade mind control, ancient and modern occult practices, and a vision for how believers might respond with deliverance and deprogramming. Key points and claims from the transcript: - Montauk chair and time travel with children - Dan recounts two Montauk survivors who independently drew the same depiction of a Montauk chair. The chair’s function, as described by these sources, involved activating a child’s psychic power to interface with the chair, open a portal or jump gate, and send people through timelines with coordinates. The adults who traveled allegedly returned with their minds “snapped,” while children were preferred for their pliability. - The claimed outcomes included access to timelines around events such as the cross in Jesus’ time and alternate histories (e.g., Germany’s victory in World War II). The survivor testimonies point to a physically seeded, technologically described process with spiritual overtones. - Epigenetic memories and deep memory layers - The discussion shifts to encounters with epigenetic memories or memories from before embodiment. Dan emphasizes experiences drawn from video game imagery (Assassin’s Creed) as a framework for discussing deep, generational memory and the persistence of dark activity in human bloodlines, including Genesis 6-type incursions. - The theme recurs: the infiltration of human bloodlines by dark forces never stopped, and there are claims of underground activity related to sacred sites (Temple Mount) and “Nephilim mothers” who birth hybrids through ritual, with a later council of thirteen in subterranean spaces. - Temple Mount, underground realms, and portals - Dan describes deep underground work beneath the Temple Mount as a nexus for ley lines and “portal access points” to multiple places, including a Babylonian/underground realm. There is mention of a Nephilim hybrid council and the possibility of travel to Hollow Earth and other astral/portal realms, with physical and spiritual dimensions interacting. - He ties these underground operations to mind control programs (MKUltra and related projects), asserting that such programming crafts responses in politicians and public figures to enable a broader “beast kingdom.” - Epstein, Mengele, and Kabbalah - The Epstein files are discussed as evidence of a broader plan: genetic augmentation, designer babies, and connections to Kabbalah and the Illuminati. He describes Epstein as “Mengele two point o,” a trainer and programmer who embodies these dark genetic and mind-control ambitions. - Dan references Svali (a pseudonymous former member of the Jesuit/Jewish occult networks) who described similar experiments and mind-control techniques, emphasizing the use of genetic augmentation, sex magic, and hybrid birth programs. - Kabbalah vs. Christian theology - A major recurring topic is Kabbalah as a powerful “new age consciousness operating system” that twists biblical concepts. Dan argues that Kabbalah reinterprets Genesis and other biblical texts through the lens of the Babylonian Talmud (Midrash), elevating the serpent (Nakash) to messianic status and promoting twin messiahs (Meshiach ben Yosef and Meshiach ben David), which undermines Christian doctrine of Jesus as the Messiah. - He contrasts Jacob’s ladder in the Bible with the Kabbalistic four-world structure, warning that Kabbalah’s ladder uses Merkabah mysticism and ascension protocols to reach universal consciousness, which Dan sees as a sorcery-based path that diverts from Christ. - Dissociation, mind control, and soul fragments - The conversation delves into dissociation and DID as outcomes of trauma and mind-control programming. Dan explains a dissociative continuum—from daydreaming to dissociative amnesia to full, alternate personalities—arguing that severe trauma in childhood leads to soul fragmentation and parts that can be accessed or “brought forward” in ministry. - He distinguishes trauma-based dissociation from past-life memories or epigenetic memory, though he allows for complex interactions among DNA memory, the human spirit, and preconception or astral experiences. He notes that trauma and ritual abuse can lead to parts with their own narratives and memory banks, sometimes accessible through deliverance or realm-based prayers. - The “beast system” and global governance - The beast system is described as a global governance project—two beasts from Revelation: the beast out of the sea (the antichrist figure) and the beast out of the earth (the false prophet). The goal is to control political, religious, monetary, and societal structures worldwide. - Dan points to historical and literary sources such as Leviathan (the book’s forerunner on massive governance) and discusses how mind control, the secret space program, and genetic engineering contribute to this overarching project. He suggests the beast system seeks to impose a centralized, global order in opposition to Christ’s kingdom. - Time, angels, and heavenly realities - A recurring thread is how spiritual realities intersect with time, memory, and the heavenly realm. Dan discusses the possibility that believers can operate “in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus” even while living in a temporal world, describing superposition and the notion that spiritual realities can coexist with earthly timelines. - He also reflects on angelic hierarchies, noting Michael’s armies, Leviathan, and the general organization of heaven and hellish governance. He suggests that God’s power ultimately prevails, even as darkness pursues a global dominion. - Practical and pastoral aims - A central aim is to scale deprogramming, inner healing, and deliverance ministries to address mind-control programming, SRA trauma, and other spiritual warfare needs. Dan emphasizes that many who have undergone such programming require deprogramming to participate effectively in God’s plans, including ministers, political figures, and Hollywood professionals. - He frames this as a mission to prepare a generation of “power players” who can counter the beast system with the power and authority of Jesus, while offering the hope that, no matter the darkness, God’s plan is superior. - Final exhortations - Dan concludes with a call to pursue extraordinary demonstration of sonship in Christ and to resist the lull of cynicism or despair. He urges believers to recognize the reality of spiritual warfare and to engage with deliverance and deprogramming as essential components of preparing for what he sees as an imminent clash between darkness and God’s kingdom. Throughout, the dialogue blends testimony, controversial claims about secret histories, and a theological framework that positions deliverance and deprogramming as critical responses to a perceived global spiritual drama.

Angels can be any species and are not the main characters. Archangels are angels that have never had a life on Earth, which is considered dark space. They can look like bright orbs and intervene to help us when needed. Angels are here to help us because they have always wanted to, not because they were assigned by God. They can have different jobs but can also choose to relax in heaven. Angels have a connection with the God source, which is needed to create things like atoms. Without this connection, atoms would become nothing.

Demons are invading Earth through people, as the Bible foretold. Ancient warnings are coming true. These interdimensional invaders are not human, despite mockery from the media. Everyone instinctively knows the truth.

I believe in the existence of angels and demons, and their influence is becoming more apparent to those who are aware. Demons are becoming bolder in our society, infiltrating various aspects of our lives. On the other hand, we are the angels, sentient beings with a direct connection to God. They try to suppress this knowledge through chemicals, fear, and other means. It's time to wake up and realize our power. By coming together and focusing on goodness, love, and compassion, we can manifest positive change. We must unite, regardless of our differences, to create a world without war and famine. We are here to fight and resist evil. Stay true to yourself and resist.