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The global war on farming continues, with UK farmers facing a new inheritance tax law introduced by Keir Starmer. This law imposes a 20% tax on any farm assets exceeding £1,000,000, affecting even small family farms, which often rely on their land and equipment for wealth. Many farmers struggle financially, and this tax could threaten their ability to pass on their farms to their children. The inheritance tax is viewed as a government overreach, undermining family farming and small businesses. Reports of tragic consequences, such as a farmer's suicide, highlight the severe impact of these policies. The aim appears to be the elimination of family farms, leading to state-controlled agriculture, which would limit consumer choice. There is hope that UK farmers will unite and resist this trend, similar to farmers in the Netherlands, Germany, and France.

- The conversation opens with a discussion of escalating dynamics in the Ukraine conflict as a new year begins, focusing on how the rules of war have shifted over the past four years, including the depth of NATO involvement and when actions cross into direct war. The speakers note that political leadership has largely been exempt from the war, but Russia has had opportunities to strike Ukrainian leaders that have been avoided, raising questions about future targets and the diplomatic path. - Speaker 1 argues that the political leadership has indeed been outside the war, and that voices inside Russia are growing more critical. They challenge the Western portrayal of Vladimir Putin as a dictator, suggesting Putin has restrained destruction that could hit the West, and asserting that the West and Zelenskyy have grown comfortable with exemptions. They warn that continued escalation could lead to a nuclear conflict with Europe at risk due to its geographic compactness, citing the potential fallout from attacks on American nuclear bases and the broader geopolitical consequences. - The discussion moves to the potential consequences of Western strikes on energy infrastructure and frontline energy targets, including refineries and civilian vessels. The speakers examine how Russia might respond if its assets are attacked at sea or in the Black Sea, and the possibility of Russia forcing Ukraine to lose access to the Black Sea through strategic military actions. The analysis includes a few provocative specifics: British and European actors allegedly orchestrating or enabling attacks, the role of third-country-flagged ships, and the idea that reflagging to Russian flags could be treated as an act of war by Russia. - The dialogue delves into the operational dynamics of the Mediterranean and Black Sea theatres, noting incidents such as sunflowers and other oil cargo damage, the Caspian transit company's facilities, and the implications for Turkish oil revenue and Western economies. The speakers argue that Western powers are drawing in broader international actors and that the war could expand beyond Ukraine, potentially dragging in NATO ships and submarines in a conflict at sea. They warn that if escalation continues, it could trigger a broader, more destructive war in Europe. - The conversation shifts to the likely trajectory of the battlefield, with Speaker 1 offering a grim assessment: the Donbas front and the Zaporozhye region are nearing collapse for Ukrainian forces, with Russian forces dominating missile and drone capabilities and outmaneuvering on three axes. The analysis suggests that within two to three months, upper-river-front areas, including the Zaporozhzhia and surrounding Donbas fronts, could be fully compromised, leaving only a few large urban pockets. The absence of civilian protection and the encirclement of cities would accelerate Ukrainian withdrawals and surrender, while Russia could enhance pressure on remaining fronts, including Donbas and Sumy, Kharkiv, and Dnieper regions, as weather and terrain favor Russian movements. - The speakers discuss the impact of collapsing command posts and morale, likening the abandonment of Gudai Poia to a sign of impending broader collapse, with open terrain making Ukrainian forces vulnerable to rapid Russian breakthroughs. They suggest that strategic fortifications will be overwhelmed as the front line collapses and supply lines are severed, with a predicted sequence of encirclements and city sieges. - The US role is analyzed as both a negotiator and strategist, with the assertion that the United States has long led the proxy dimension of the conflict and continues to influence targeting and weapons delivery. The discussion questions the coherence of US policy under Trump versus Biden, arguing the conflict remains a US-led enterprise despite attempts to reframe or outsources it. The speakers describe the US as hedging its bets through ongoing military support, budgets, and intelligence cooperation, while insisting that Ukraine remains a core objective of US hegemony. - A critical examination of European Union leadership follows, with strong claims that the EU is increasingly tyrannical and undemocratic, sanctioning dissidents andSuppressing speech. The dialogue condemns the deplatforming of individuals and argues that the EU’s leadership has undermined diplomacy and negotiated peace, instead pushing toward a broader confrontation with Russia. The speakers suggest that several European countries and elites are pursuing escalating policies to maintain power, even at the risk of deepening European instability and economic collapse. - The conversation ends with reflections on broader historical patterns, invoking Kennan’s warnings about NATO expansion and the risk of Russian backlash, and noting the potential for the EU to fracture under pressure. The participants acknowledge the risk of a wider conflict that could redefine global power and economic structures, while expressing concern about censorship, deplatforming, and the erosion of diplomacy as barriers to resolving the crisis. They conclude with a cautious note to prepare for worst-case scenarios and hope for, but not rely on, better circumstances in the near term.

The speaker explains that the electricity market in Europe has favored the German system, which relies on gas, and disadvantaged the French system. This was not initially noticeable because gas prices were low. However, with the war in Ukraine and sanctions, gas prices started to rise. The speaker also mentions that the Americans wanted to promote their more expensive shale gas, which further contributed to the price increase. As a result, the French, who primarily rely on cheap nuclear energy, are now facing higher electricity prices and are stuck in this situation.

Nikolay Petro and Gwen were discussing the Munich Security Conference and the broader shift in global order. The core theme is the destruction or breakdown of the post–Cold War order as the world moves toward multipolarity, with the United States and Europe following diverging paths. - The transition to multipolarity is described as chaos and a vacuum of strategic thinking. From a European perspective, this is an unwanted transition into something unfamiliar, while the US debates a more pragmatic approach that may bypass traditional institutions to position itself favorably. The multipolar world would be more democratic, with more voices in actual discussion of each nation’s needs and contributions, in contrast to the hegemonic, rules-based order. - The concept of multipolarity presumes multiple poles of interest. Nations at the top of the old order feel uncomfortable; they had a lead dog (the United States) and knew where they were going. Now the lead dog may be wandering, and the rest are lost. There’s a push to engage voices from the global South, or the global majority, though the term “global South” is viewed as imprecise. - At Munich, Kaia Kallas and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz (Mertz) urged order to avoid chaos. Kallas favored restoring or preserving the structures of the past, arguing the European Union should reconnect with the US and dominate collectively as the political West. Mertz used aggressive language, saying Germany’s army must be the most powerful in Europe and that the war in Ukraine will end only when Russia is exhausted economically and militarily; he argued Europe imposed unheard-of losses on Russia. - In response, the US role in Munich was anticipated to feature Marco Rubio as the delegation head, signaling a security-focused agenda rather than deep internal European discourse. The discussion suggested the US may push a strategy of returning to or reshaping a hegemonic order, pressuring Europe to align with American priorities, and highlighting that the old order is over. - There is a perception of internal German political dynamics: the rise of the anti-establishment party (IFD) could challenge the current SPD/CSU coalition, potentially altering the German stance on Russia and Europe’s strategy toward Moscow. The possibility exists that internal German shifts could counter aggressive German policy toward Russia. - In Europe, there is a tension between those who want to sacrifice more national autonomy to please the US and those who advocate diversifying ties to avoid total dependence on Washington. In practice, EU policy has often mirrored US priorities, thereby delaying a truly autonomous European strategy. - The EU’s foreign policy structure remains weak due to political diversity among member states, the need for cooperation with national governments, and resistance to surrendering power to Brussels. There is no cohesive grand strategy within the EU, making it hard to present a unified vision in a multipolar world. The EU’s reliance on crisis-driven centralization contrasts with those internal contradictions. - Ukraine’s war exposed tensions in Europe’s cohesion. Initially, there was a rallying effect and unified front against Russia, aided by US support, aiming for a rapid Russian defeat. Now the EU’s rhetoric shifts toward seeking a ceasefire and preserving what remains of Ukraine, labeling victory in terms of saving Ukraine rather than expelling Russia. EU funding for Ukraine—about €90 billion over two years—may be insufficient, with Ukraine claiming higher needs. - The discussion suggested that European leadership’s view of Russia and Putin is unstable: some European circles believe Russia could collapse economically, while others see Russia’s leadership as capable of countermeasures. Reports of France reestablishing high-level political contacts with Russia were noted as part of this flux. - The conversation contrasted backward-looking US/EU visions with a forward-looking multipolar vision promoted by BRICS, especially Russia, which could be more promising due to its forward outlook. The EU, dominated by internal divisions, struggles to articulate an autonomous multipolar path, while the United States appears intent on reviving its dominant position and reshaping the international order, sometimes in ways that delay the shift to multipolarity. - Overall, the speakers highlighted a shared but backward-looking orientation between the EU and the US, versus a forward-looking, multipolar alternative; they also underscored the strategic vacuum, internal European divisions, and the continuing tug-of-war between attempting to restore past structures and embracing a new global arrangement.

As European economies decline, young people can't afford homes, and energy costs are much higher, leading to a declining standard of living and low birth rates, which is a sign of civilizational collapse. There's a lot of rage in Europe, and the Russia-Ukraine war serves as a relief valve for European leaders to blame Putin. The UK's response to fighting a new war against Russia is sad because Russia could easily defeat the UK. Turning the population's rage towards Russia distracts from domestic issues. Intelligence sources believe Ukrainians were behind the Nord Stream pipeline attack.

It's time for a policy reversal on Maastricht like on the euro. The single currency could lead to chaos, resentment, and massive transfers of money. Unemployment and migration would rise, fueling extremist parties. Creating a European Federation could worsen extremism. Politicians need to pay attention, stop endless summits, and see the growing disconnect between people and government. The European train can be stopped.

German farmers are protesting against the reduction of farming subsidies, which they believe will lead to the collectivization of their farms and the loss of their livelihoods. The protests also highlight concerns about high energy costs, competition from Ukrainian farms, and the allocation of funds to Ukraine instead of supporting local farmers. While some politicians propose higher produce prices to help farmers, this would only burden consumers. The protests have gained support from a wide range of people due to the broader issues they represent, such as the cost of living and migration. There are also concerns about far-right groups infiltrating the demonstrations. Similar protests have been observed in France and Romania.

Julien Ambert discusses the widespread impoverishment in France, with 20% of the population struggling to afford food. He mentions the devaluation of the currency, which negatively affects retirees. He argues that when the euro was strong against the dollar, retirees did not experience impoverishment. However, he criticizes the lack of individual freedom under the euro, as others decide what individuals can or cannot buy. He also mentions France's net contribution of €13 billion to the European Central Bank (ECB), which supports the French economy by lending money to French banks. He warns that if the ECB decides to suffocate France economically, the consequences would be dire. The conversation then moves on to the next topic.

The Dutch farmer protests are not anti-environmental, but a response to oppressive agricultural practices by companies like Monsanto and Bill Gates. Farmers use fertilizers due to financial pressure, not by choice. The Great Reset exploits green agendas to bankrupt farmers and seize their land. Support for farmers should come from the community, not globalist bodies, to make sustainable transitions together.

Richard Wolff and Glenn discuss Trump’s political project, the trajectory of US capitalism, and how Europe is adjusting to a perceived decline of Western hegemon. - Trump’s politics are, in Wolff’s view, more traditional Republican strategy than a wholesale break with the past. The core priority remains to “make money for the top one to 5%” of people—corporate executives and the employer class that the US census identifies as about 3% of the population. The first-term flagship was the 2017 tax cuts for corporations and wealthier individuals; in the second term, the “big beautiful tax bill” of April likewise serves the core financial base before other issues like immigration or tariffs. - Trump’s more radical or theatrical moves—anti-immigrant campaigns, ICE enforcement, heightened rhetoric toward immigrants, and provocative international actions—are political theater intended to mobilize the traditional Republican coalition and reassure the business constituency. This theater targets the mass voting blocs, while the core funders provide the money to sustain the spectacle. - The domestic political dynamic: while a sizable segment of his base remains supportive, there is growing election-time anxiety within the business coalition and among some voters who are unsettled by his handling of events, including the Epstein scandal. Still, his base numbers hover around 30–35%, giving him a platform to push ahead, though the broader economic critique remains largely taboo in US politics across parties. - The fundamental economic problem: US decline as a structural issue is not debated openly by Trump’s circle or rival parties; the decline persists as China continues to outpace the US in growth. Even with tariffs, China redirected exports to other markets, maintaining a large overall export footprint and signaling the limits of unilateral US pressure. - The “tribute economy” concept: Trump’s international approach can be read as trying to convert other countries into tributaries—using tariffs, coercive measures, and diplomacy to extract relative gains from others while protecting US interests. This aligns with a broader narrative Wolff attributes to a waning hegemon resorting to coercive leverage rather than genuine economic strategy. - Andrew Jackson frame vs. reality: Trump’s use of a Jacksonian nationalist rhetoric is a superficial political device, not a deep historical redefinition. The honest historical view is that Trump adopts a veneer of Jacksonianism to justify a broader, conventional Republican agenda oriented toward the business class, while the world has changed in ways that the Jacksonian frame cannot fully accommodate. - The European reaction: Europe faces a difficult, shrinking trajectory. Wolff argues Europeans are increasingly likely to become an adjunct to the United States, with growth constrained by dependence on outside high-tech powerhouses (the US and China), shrinking industry from auto to other sectors, and rising social strain as welfare states come under pressure. - European policy implications: leaders may resort to increased militarization and a stronger anti-Russia stance to justify repression and social control at home, even as Russia’s actual military threat is overstated as a rationale. Wolff foresees growing social fragmentation, a potential class split between ruling elites and the working/middle classes, and the risk that external threats become a justification for expanding state power and military spending. - A longer arc: Wolff suggests that the current European and American trajectories reflect a broader decline of liberal hegemonies post-World War II. The solution would not be to return to a full Cold War-style confrontation but to acknowledge new multipolar realities, diversify alliances, and address domestic social needs rather than pursuing an ever-expanding militarized security paradigm. - The Minneapolis example and domestic politics: events like the ICE deployment in Minneapolis reveal a troubling trend toward heavy-handed, performative state power that could backfire politically for Trump, especially as more Republicans question Epstein-related narratives and other scandal-driven headlines intensify. - In Europe, the declining empire dynamic suggests a potential return to earlier anti-establishment currents, but leaders face the dilemma of maintaining welfare states while contending with reduced imperial leverage. The conversation anticipates rising social tensions unless new economic strategies and political alignments emerge that recognize changing power structures.

Alex Kraner and Glenn discuss the geopolitical and economic fallout from Iran’s weekend strikes and the broader shifts in global risk, energy, and power blocs. - Oil and energy impact: Iran’s strikes targeted energy infrastructure, including Ras Tanura in Saudi Arabia, and crude prices jumped about 10% with Friday’s close around $73.50 and current levels near $80 per barrel. Prices could push higher if Hormuz traffic is disrupted or closed, given that one in five barrels of crude exports pass through the Hormuz gates. The potential for further oil disruptions is acknowledged, with the possibility of triple-digit or higher prices depending on how the conflict evolves. - Market dynamics and energy dependence: The guest notes a hockey-stick pattern in uptrends across markets when driven by large asset holders waking up to energy exposure, referencing shadow banking as a driver of rapid moves. He points to vast assets under management (approximately $220 trillion) among pension funds, hedge funds, endowments, and insurers that could push energy markets higher if they reallocate toward oil futures and energy-related assets. He emphasizes that energy is essential for broad economic activity, and a curtailed oil economy would slow economies globally. - European vulnerabilities: Europe faces a fragile energy security position, already dealing with an energy crisis and decreased reliance on Russian hydrocarbons. Disruptions to LNG supplies from Qatar or other sources could further threaten Europe, complicating efforts by Ursula von der Leyen and Christine Lagarde to manage inflation and debt. The panel highlights potential increased debt concerns in Europe, with Lagarde signaling uncertainty and the possibility of higher interest rates, and warns of a possible future resembling Weimar-era debt dynamics or systemic stress in European bonds. - Global geopolitics and blocs: The discussion suggests a risk of the world fracturing into two blocs, with BRICS controlling more diverse energy supplies and the West potentially losing its energy dominance. The US pivot to Asia could be undone as the United States becomes more entangled in Middle East conflicts. The guests anticipate renewed US engagement with traditional alliances (France, Britain, Germany) and a possible retraction from attempts to pursue multipolar integration with Russia and China. The possibility of a broader two-block, cold-war-like order is raised, with energy as a central question. - Iran and US diplomacy optics: The negotiations reportedly had Iran willing to concede to American proposals when the leadership was assassinated, prompting questions about US policy and timing. The attack is described as damaging to public opinion and diplomacy, with potential impeachment momentum for Trump discussed in light of his handling of the Iran situation. The geopolitical optics are characterized as highly damaging to US credibility and to the prospects of reaching future deals with Iran and other actors. - Middle East dynamics and US security commitments: The strikes impact the US-Israel relationship and the US-Gulf states’ security posture. Pentagon statements reportedly indicated no signs that Iran planned to attack the US first, raising questions about the strategic calculus of the strikes and the broader risk to regional stability. The conversation notes persistent supply chain and defense material challenges—including concerns about weapon stockpiles and the sustainability of military deployments in the region. - Long-range grim projections: The discussion concludes with caution about the potential long arc of decline for Western economic and political influence if current trajectories persist, contrasted with the rise of Eastern blocs. There is warning about a possible long-term, multi-decade period of geopolitical and economic restructuring, with energy security and debt dynamics at the core of those shifts. - Closing reflections: The speakers acknowledge the unpredictability of markets and geopolitics, refraining from definitive forecasts but underscoring how energy, debt, and alliance realignments will likely shape the coming period.

As winter approaches, an energy emergency is declared across Europe due to soaring energy prices. Since August, energy prices have skyrocketed by over 38%. In France, electricity prices have surpassed €1,000 per megawatt-hour on the wholesale market, compared to around €85 a year ago. The EU is seeking solutions to curb these price hikes, which it partly caused even before imposing sanctions on Russia. The European nuclear power plants, particularly in France, are in a state of advanced decay. Only 24 out of 56 EDF nuclear reactors were operational on September 1st. France, usually self-sufficient and an exporter, is now forced to rely on the European market, contributing to the price surge. The EU's blind and inappropriate sanctions against Russia, along with questionable energy agreements with Azerbaijan, further exacerbate the situation. Members of the Identity and Democracy group have proposed a resolution to protect fiscal sovereignty, European production chains, and implement a raw materials policy to reduce dependence on external suppliers. They also call for a reduction in VAT on electricity, gas, petrol, and oil to alleviate the burden on households and businesses. The European people should not bear the consequences of the EU's ideological decisions.

We are not in trouble because of a lack of energy or amateurs. We need to talk about things. These people are great, but they are inexperienced. Macron has been here for 6 years and didn't think about all this before. We are dependent now, whereas France used to be a leader in electricity. We had the strongest nuclear potential in the world and could export electricity. But now we are begging because we followed Germany's lead. This is not Europe, it's German Europe. The Franco-German relationship is a disaster for France. We need to break free from this imperialism.

We also recognize potential challenges in the relationship with The United States, and we are ready for that. When targeted, unfairly or arbitrarily, the European Union will respond firmly. This weekend, we witnessed how steep tariffs were imposed on Canada and Mexico. Those tariffs raise business costs. They harm workers and consumers. They create unnecessary economic disruption and drive inflation. We do not see much good coming out of this. At the same time, the European Union remains also steadfast in its multilateral commitments, be it from our development aid to our climate targets.

In this segment, the speaker argues against the idea that exiting the eurozone or the European Union would automatically sever access to the internal market, labeling such fears as fundamentally incorrect. The speaker references a position previously outlined in a Welt article from 2016, stating that every country within the EU should be allowed to leave the EU and automatically fall into the internal market, so that the free internal market continues to guarantee the fundamental freedoms between EU countries. The overarching objective presented is the creation of a European Economic Area, but the speaker rejects what is described as a “monstrous overbuild” currently practiced, characterized by tens of thousands of civil servants who are deemed unnecessary and overpaid, with a level of intrusion that is viewed as excessive. The speaker then shifts to a critique of the current leadership and policies, urging the removal of those in power within the EU framework, specifically naming Ursula von der Leyen and the policies associated with her tenure. The cited policy areas include a ban on combustion engines, CO2-related levies, heating laws, and building energy policy, among others. The demand is to “throw out” these people, as they are viewed as representative of an overreaching EU apparatus that the speaker does not support. The central message is that such a centralized and intrusive EU structure is unnecessary and undesirable. The text emphasizes the need for a free internal market among European nations, paired with the restoration of national sovereignty and secure borders. The speaker advocates for free exchange of goods and services among nations, suggesting that this approach would constitute real progress. The concluding sentiment reinforces a preference for smaller, less intrusive governance and a streamlined framework that prioritizes the free movement of goods and services within a European context, while maintaining secure borders and national autonomy. The overall call is for scrapping what is described as the EU apparatus, empowering nations to engage in open trade and cooperation without the perceived rigidity and overreach of the current EU system.

Several speakers present a cohesive, alarmist view of a global move toward centralized, technocratic governance: - A long-standing desire to control others is fueling a push toward globalization and centralization of power in unelected officials at supranational bodies. They claim the aim is to have all the world’s resources “in their pocket.” - The larger project is described as an attempt to collapse liberal democracy and replace it with a global technocracy. A “coup” is alleged, with the argument that rules could replace currency, creating a system of control without money. - The situation is likened to an inverted prison: people may seem free to roam, but “everything you want to access is behind lock and key.” The potential for social control is described as gigantic and potentially irreversible. - The plan reportedly includes commandeering land, reducing farming, radically changing the food we eat, transforming the electricity supply, and dictating how it is used, while replacing currency with a system of credits. All three strategies are said to be premised on a climate-crisis narrative centered on carbon dioxide. - One speaker disputes the climate-crisis premise, stating they do not think there is a climate crisis and that the government pushes a catastrophic story; another adds that no single science paper proves conclusively that humans control all or most of the climate. - Europe is criticized for a “mad dash towards net zero,” described as economic suicide that deliberately impoverishes ordinary people and de-industrializes Europe, raising questions about what is being saved if it’s being paved over. - A global war on agriculture is claimed, with many farms selling up and concerns about looming food shortages. There is a suggestion that shifting people from “real food” to “pharma food” would enable control through publicly traded stocks. - The speakers call the movement “the biggest public relations scam in the history of the world” and, more broadly, a blueprint and action plan. They warn that life on Earth will be radically changed and that everything will be monitored, with environmental consequences of every human action. - A chilling point is made that once a digital ID is in place, “it's game over for humanity,” and that the general population cannot fathom the psychopathy of the vision they describe. Overall, the discussion centers on a perceived coordinated effort to centralize power globally, erode traditional democracy, redefine currency, reshape agriculture and energy systems, and surveil all human activity under a climate-justified technocracy.

Farmers are expressing their frustration over the new inheritance tax, which will impose a 20% tax on farms valued over £1,000,000 starting in 2026. They argue this will force many to sell their farms to cover the tax, despite the government's claim that only a few farms will be affected. Protests are escalating, with farmers planning their first strike and a large demonstration in London next week. They intend to withhold meat and crops from supermarkets as a form of protest, warning that if their concerns are not addressed, further actions will follow.

Protesting farmers in France are causing major disruptions by blocking highways and threatening to blockade Paris. Despite the presence of 15,000 police officers and numerous arrests, the farmers are determined to continue their protests until their demands are met. The impact of the protests is already being felt, with food deliveries being severely affected and wholesale fruit and vegetable companies experiencing shortages. Concerns are growing that if the roadblocks persist, it could lead to difficulties in the food supply chain, affecting bakeries and stores in big cities like Paris. The farmers have garnered significant public support, with bakeries sending free croissants and baguettes to show solidarity.

The Dutch farmer protests are not anti-environmental, but a response to economic pressures and land grabs by corporations like Bill Gates and Monsanto. Farmers use fertilizers out of necessity, not choice. The Great Reset uses a green agenda to bankrupt farmers and seize their land. While supporting a green agenda, it is important for people to stand in solidarity with farmers, allowing them time to transition to more sustainable practices without globalist interference. Together, we can make decisions that benefit both farmers and the environment.

The atmosphere in the European Parliament is tense. Colleagues are realizing they are not serving the people's best interests. They feel the government is controlled by global elitists, not the people. People are no longer fooled by climate change narratives, and the truth is starting to come to light.

Russia joins EU providing energy resources. Now, clearly, this clearly, this didn't happen, but Russia attacked Ukraine, and we all know that Ukraine was one of the major suppliers of grain. And when this abrupt climate change occurs, we know that there will be food shortages, and also they are worse for rare earth minerals.

The speaker discusses the lack of coverage by mainstream media on the issue of farmers being forced to sell their land in the Netherlands for climate targets. They mention the World Economic Forum's involvement and the connection to the Great Reset. The speaker questions the credibility of the climate change agenda and the Green New Deal, claiming it is based on manipulated data. They highlight concerns about the impact on the agricultural sector and potential food shortages. The speaker also mentions protests in the Netherlands spreading to Germany and other parts of Europe. The transcript ends with a rhetorical question about whether people will be satisfied with the outcome.