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It continued after that. When the church committee happened and Frank Church brought it out that MKUltra existed, well, the stuff hit the fan, and everybody started screaming, we need more of this. Well, Richard Helms, the director of the CIA, immediately destroyed 10,000 MKULTRA documents so that Congress couldn't see them and then threatened the CIA officers who were due to testify with prison if they violated their secrecy agreement. They tried that with me. So that's one of the means of control.
So MKULTRA, they said after the church committee, well, we don't do that anymore. It's been done away with. Victor Marchetti, who wrote CIA and the Cult of Intelligence, I don't know if you're aware of that book. He was the first real CIA whistleblower. He said they claimed MK Ultra stopped at 1973, but he said that's just a cover story.
It continued after that. He believes MK Ultra still exists, and one of the classic examples is Sirhan Sirhan, who was one of the shooters that killed Robert Kennedy senior. Sirhan Sirhan claimed he didn't remember anything about the event at all afterwards, and they went in there and tested him psychologically. And he was so programmable, they had him climbing his cell like a monkey. I have become friends because of our both of our kinds of disenchantment to say that with the CIA.
And Bobby met with Sirhan Sirhan. He said he did he had no idea of what he'd done at all. No memory of it at all. And the psychiatrists were so easy, it was so easy rather to program him that they had him climbing the cell, like I said, like a monkey. And he was, I'm convinced, an MK Ultra subject.
I'm absolutely convinced of this. I don't wanna speak for Bobby Kennedy Jr. We've become friends since, but I think he would probably agree with that as a classic case of it still existing. And why would
Why would they give up such a powerful weapon? You can mind control individuals who can carry out assassinations or pretend to be an assassin as a patsy and be caught while actual CIA agents are actually shooting and killing JFK or shooting and killing RFK in a kitchen in Los Angeles. So it's a very convenient