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In January 2023, the speaker went to the Holy Land as a volunteer tour guide with their mother and a church group. The group was stopped by the IDF a half-mile from their destination. Soldiers with machine guns boarded the bus to check IDs. The speaker was told to stop recording to avoid arrest. The bus had to take a longer route. The bus driver said they were stopped because they were Palestinian and was rushing to avoid the Muslim Friday shutdown. At lunch, the electricity was shut off to the whole complex. A shopkeeper told the speaker that authorities often shut off the electricity to prevent them from making money from tourists. The speaker believes the electricity was shut off arbitrarily. The speaker feels that allowing young soldiers unchecked power leads to injustice. They found the Palestinian people they met to be kind, while many of the soldiers were hateful. The speaker's perspective on the conflict shifted after witnessing these events firsthand.

Charles (Speaker 0) and Mario (Speaker 1) discuss a wide range of intelligence topics, personal history, and contemporary covert operations, emphasizing experiences from the CIA and reflections on global security dynamics. Charles begins by outlining his background: growing up on a farm in Ohio, enlisting in the Navy as a law enforcement specialist at 17, studying East Asian languages and Mandarin, and eventually learning Persian. He joined the CIA in July 2001 as an operations officer, spending most of his career in the Middle East with stints in Europe and Asia, and leaving the CIA in 2019. Afterward, he worked at Tesla to set up an insider threat program and manage global information security investigations. He notes extensive experience with China, Russia, Israel, France, and South Korea, and emphasizes the prevalence of intellectual property theft and proprietary-systems concerns in the private sector, including the role of motivated individuals and cross-border actors seeking to commercialize advanced technology. The conversation turns to leadership targeting and decapitation concepts. Charles references how the Iraq War began with an attempted decapitation strike at Saddam, asking whether removing a center of gravity leadership could end a conflict decisively and whether that would be humane. He discusses Iran as a persistent factor across the region, arguing that Iran’s meddling contributed to problems in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, and Yemen, and that without Iranian involvement, upheaval might be less intense, though turmoil remains possible. Mario expresses fascination with intelligence capabilities, particularly related to Iran, Lebanon, Hezbollah, and Maduro, and asks about Charles’s CIA background and roles. Charles explains that his work involved recruiting individuals with access to foreign governments to commit espionage and provide secret information—“human operations.” He emphasizes the dramatic realism of espionage as two people engaging in a life-changing conversation, rather than high-action TV tropes. They discuss border crossings and the reality of intelligence work. Charles notes that the hardest border crossings were often returning to the United States, when travel appearances didn’t match and documents or identities could be scrutinized. He stresses the difference between romanticized espionage and the real tension of crossing borders with non-legitimate materials, relying on confidence, charisma, and interaction under stress. On private-sector and national-security crossover, Charles highlights the complexity of cyber threats and corporate espionage. He describes a Tesla case involving a Russian criminal organization attempting to install malware, with FBI involvement and the arrest of a Russian national. He explains that in cyber threats, the distinction between government-sponsored and private actors is often blurred, with organized crime sometimes acting as proxies for larger state agendas. He notes that entrepreneurial actors seek to accelerate development by acquiring others’ material, not building entire systems from scratch. He also comments on the blurry boundary between nation-states and private actors in tech espionage and the difficulty of attributing responsibility. The Mossad’s capabilities are analyzed in depth. Charles argues Mossad excels by focusing on high-impact targets within a narrow geopolitical scope (Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Iraq) and by strong locational intelligence—understanding where leaders live, work, and their access points. He emphasizes Mossad’s willingness to act decisively, using surrogates and superior technology for surveillance. He mentions the head of Mossad and a quote from his book about ubiquitous surveillance through devices like phones and watches. He notes the “pager operation” against Hezbollah as a case study in supply-chain manipulation and the use of compromised intermediaries, and he cautions that modern operations involve cyber manipulation and near-constant information-flow considerations. Both discuss real-world operations, including the 2010 Dubai operation targeting a Hamas logistics figure, and general lessons about operational security, noting that some details cannot be disclosed publicly. They reflect on the “gentleman’s rules of the game,” acknowledging that lethal operations and leadership-targeting can be controversial and legally complex; they discuss how different regimes and leaders are perceived and targeted. The Maduro operation is revisited. Charles describes gathering information through satellites, drones (including covert, stealth, and micro-drones), and human intelligence; he stresses determining a target’s pattern of life, where a leader lives, sleeps, moves, whom they meet, and what they eat. He notes that insider sources and the right informants are critical, and he discusses the balance between opportunities created by regime instability and the risk of compromised sources. He emphasizes that in times of turmoil, there is opportunistic recruitment, as some individuals see few options other than cooperating with outside powers. Privacy is a recurring theme. Charles asserts that privacy is not dead but requires effort to protect. He compares privacy to fitness, arguing that modern technologies make it easy to be public, but steps can be taken to reduce attack surfaces, including privacy consulting, careful metadata handling, and secure, layered security (physical security and cyber measures). He uses anecdotes about Strava revealing location data and a submarine commander whose Strava activity was linked to his demise, illustrating how personal data can reveal sensitive information. Towards the end, Mario and Charles discuss strategic ambiguity and unpredictability in political leadership, including Trump’s posture and international signaling. They touch on the potential paths for Iran if regime change occurs, debating the likelihood and consequences of upheaval, the role of Western policy, and how regional dynamics might shift if the mullahs and IRGC structures are altered. The conversation ends with mutual appreciation for the complexity of global security issues and the rapid pace of geopolitical change.

Speaker 0: "The whole country is a fortress." He says, "you cannot go 10 feet without running into a 19 year old with an AR 15 or an automatic machine gun that's an IDF soldier." The country is "surveilled." He adds, "The last nine months, Israel was on the brink of civil war," noting "hundreds of thousands of Israelis taking to the streets because Bibi Netanyahu was basically redefining the Israeli constitution." He says, "Netanyahu now has an emergency government and a mandate to lead." He asks, "Was there a stand down order? Was there a stand down order?" Speaker 1: "I'm so fucking glad that people found this clip again" after sharing it, saying he was "one of very few people" saying the same thing and facing backlash. He recalls finding "a clip from Charlie Kirk" that helped shift the narrative, though "the clip disappeared and I couldn't find it anymore." He notes "There was he was on Ben Shapiro not long ago talking about why we cannot criticize Israel." "That's my biggest interaction with Charlie Kirk" and that "there were a few of us" trying to push the message until "it started to get picked up."

The segment discusses a recent effort in which Israel hosted about 1,000 American Christian pastors who were invited to sign forms pledging to be ambassadors for Israel within their congregations, including receiving plaques and certificates. A crowdsourced list of these pastors, compiled by a popular X user known as Gen X Girl, shows a concentration in the American Southwest (California, Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Colorado) with denominations including evangelicals, Baptists, Methodists, and many nondenominational churches. The participants’ willingness to pledge allegiance to a world government is emphasized as a point of concern, with the claim that “their allegiance belongs to God and no foreign government.” Pastor Jay Chase Davis of The Well Church in Colorado (not on the list) comments that the event is “pretty wild” and offers two understandings. First, he suggests understanding Israel’s political instincts and the biblical reality of how Christians should think about nation-states, citizenship on earth, and citizenship in heaven. He notes that Americans naturally favor an “American first” attitude, but asserts that the political entities of Israel relate to America because America is the global superpower, and that evangelicals have been fed a “twisted” scriptural interpretation about Israel and God’s redemptive plan. He posits that Israel is courting evangelical support because evangelicals form a large voting block, and that these pastors are being brought over to become ambassadors who will defend Israel in various capacities. He asserts that some dispensationalist teachings have led to views that could imply salvation apart from Jesus, which he labels as heretical, and argues this makes evangelicals vulnerable to manipulation. Speaker 0 asks why Orthodox and Catholic pastors aren’t on the list and what doctrinal reasons would exclude participation, while Speaker 1 explains that the trip likely targeted a specific demographic (evangelicals) due to their historical theological training (often influenced by dispensationalism) and political leverage. He describes the goal as a tour with credentialing to defend Israel and align evangelical leaders with Israeli interests, noting susceptibility due to confusion about Israel’s modern political actions and salvation doctrines. Philip’s question raises concern about evangelizing Israelis during such visits, suggesting it would not be well received; Speaker 1 confirms mixed reception and expresses suspicion that the mission may be more about indoctrination and political outreach than evangelism. For viewers concerned about their church’s alignment, Speaker 1 advises asking questions, emailing pastors, and potentially seeking a different church if the church’s stance becomes incompatible with one’s beliefs. He recommends consulting historic confessions (e.g., Westminster Confession of Faith, London Baptist Confession 1689) and engaging with educational resources such as his podcast Full Proof Theology and his work with the Center for Baptist Leadership.

The transcript weaves together a compilation of statements and reporting surrounding the 9/11 attacks, Israeli involvement rumors, and related investigations. - Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly said September has been good for Israel, claiming, “we're benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon and the American struggle in Iraq.” - CNN reported (and later acknowledged as false) a tape in which Osama bin Laden told his mother that something big was about to happen; bin Laden had consistently denied involvement in 9/11 and claimed Zionists were behind the attacks. Reports from Japanese, Chinese, and Indian outlets claimed bin Laden was killed in Afghanistan in 2001 and buried in an unmarked grave by his own men. There are claims from the Muslim world and some European figures that Zionist extremists staged the 9/11 attacks to ignite terrorism. - A commentator asserted that the war has targeted Israel’s Muslim enemies and is being fought and paid for with American blood, lives, and tax dollars. - A speaker argued that bin Laden, regardless of who committed the attacks, comes back to the Middle East, and urged the United States to dismantle the entire “evil empire of terrorism,” warning that without doing so, the terror network could develop nuclear capabilities and threaten the United States and its allies. - Observers described a lack of apparent shock among certain people in connection with the events, noting unusual behavior or reactions. - Five men arrested in a van were later identified as Israeli, with some connections to Israeli intelligence; they were turned over to the FBI. National security databases showed some of the men had prior Israeli intelligence or counterterrorism experience, and one admitted serving in an Israeli army anti-terrorist unit and refused a lie detector test for an extended period. A speaker emphasized loyalty to country when discussing military service. - Fox News and others reported that up to 140 Israelis had been detained prior to September 11 in an ongoing, broad investigation into suspected espionage by Israelis in the United States. Government documents described hundreds of incidents across U.S. cities that investigators said could indicate organized intelligence gathering. The “country A” in a General Accounting Office document was said to be Israel, described as conducting aggressive espionage against the U.S. despite being an ally, with Israel possessing substantial resources to achieve its collection objectives. - Investigators questioned the possibility that some Israeli agents had advanced knowledge of the attacks, suggesting there is explosive but not necessarily conclusive evidence when aggregated. A recurring theme was the question of how such agents could have known, given the events. - Allegations of foreknowledge included claims that Israeli agents were forewarned and filmed the event on Israeli television. Some individuals detained or questioned described their presence in Israel as journalists or documenters. The broader question centered on whether Israelis gathered intelligence in advance and whether it was shared or withheld. - The transcript also recounts the failure to account for certain details (e.g., passport survivals, disappearance of voice recorders) as well as assertions that anthrax letters, later linked to a U.S. Army lab, were used to deflect blame toward Muslims. - Two accounts describe a white Chevy van linked to Urban Moving Systems, a moving company whose employees were alleged to have connections to Israeli intelligence. The FBI issued a nationwide alert about the van, and two suspects were reported in custody after explosives were found in a vehicle near the George Washington Bridge. CBS reported that two suspects were in FBI custody and that the truck contained enough explosives to damage the bridge, with some accounts noting a prior alert about a van on the way to destroy the bridge. - Overall, the material presents a network of claims and investigations involving alleged Israeli espionage, foreknowledge of 9/11, intelligence operations in the United States, and specific incidents surrounding the George Washington Bridge and related arrests.

The discussion opens with Speaker 0 noting that the first foreign visit by a New York City mayor is significant and asks where each candidate would go first. Speaker 1 (Cuomo) replies, “First visit, I would visit The Holy Land.” Speaker 2, addressing hostility and antisemitism in New York, adds, “Given the hostility and the antisemitism that has been shown in New York, I would go to Israel.” Speaker 0 then directs the question to Speaker 2 (Tilson). Tilson responds, “Yeah. I’d make my fourth trip to Israel followed by my fifth trip to Ukraine, two of our greatest allies fighting on the front lines of the global war on terror.” Speaker 0 moves to Speaker 3 (Mamdani), who says, “I would stay in New York City. My plans are to address New Yorkers across the five boroughs and focus on that.” Speaker 4 interjects with a follow-up to Mamdani: “Mister Mamdani, can I just jump in? Would you visit Israel… as mayor?” Mamdani answers that as mayor, “I'll be doing as the mayor, I'll be standing up for Jewish New Yorkers, I'll be meeting them wherever they are across the five boroughs, whether that's in their synagogues and temples or at their homes or at the subway platform because, ultimately, we need to focus on delivering on their concerns.” The conversation then covers a direct question: “And just yes or no, do you believe in a Jewish state of Israel?” Mamdani replies, “I believe Israel has the right to exist.” Speaker 4 counters, “Not Israel. State?” Mamdani responds, “Notice. As a state with equal rights.” Speaker 1 presses Mamdani further, noting, “He won't he won't say it has a right to exist. Does a Jewish state be very clear?” Speaker 2 adds, “Answer was no. He won't visit Israel.” Mamdani claims, “I I said that That's what he was trying to say. No. Unlike you, I answered unlike you, I answered the question directly. Alright.” The conversation then shifts to Speaker 5, who shares a personal rationale: “My my goal would be to take my first trip to Israel. My wife's life work in this area means a lot to our family, and it could coincide with my young son, Miles, bar mitzvah, if you'd like to have his bar mitzvah.” Speaker 2 interjects briefly, “Okay. But” before the excerpt ends.

And at that point, we were taken for another round of questioning, this time related to our allegedly being members of Mossad. The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event. Our purpose was to document the event. The five Israelis were detained for ten weeks and finally deported on immigration violations.

Governments slowed down the Internet due to security. To do interviews, the speaker went to a building belonging to Iranian States radio and television (IRIP). While waiting for an interview with Piers Morgan, the Zionist regime bombed the central IRIP building, killing people. The building the speaker was in was evacuated. A guard asked the speaker to leave, but the speaker insisted on staying because the interview was important and they were waiting backstage to participate in the discussion. The guard insisted the speaker leave, and the speaker raised their voice.

Speaker 1 recalls asking someone, presumably a friend, about something. The friend responded that he was Israeli and would do certain things for his country. Speaker 0 notes that this got the person into big trouble. Speaker 1 says he accepted the answer, almost.

Speaker 0 recalls a meeting with the queen, where she warned him to be cautious due to unknown forces in the country. Speaker 1 dismisses this as a commercial book's account, emphasizing the importance of police reports based on evidence. Speaker 0 believes the queen was referring to security forces. Speaker 1 points out that this is just one person's interpretation and cannot know the queen's thoughts.

I met a Jewish man on the subway, and we discussed the situation in Amsterdam and Israel's efforts to evacuate those under attack. He made a compelling point about the necessity of a Jewish homeland, emphasizing that it allows us to protect ourselves when needed. The recent attacks have highlighted the importance of Israel, demonstrating to the world why it is essential for Jewish safety and security.

The exchange centers on filming rights and the status of the location. Speaker 0 challenges whether they are allowed to film, asking, “Oh, turn off the camera? Yeah. Do I not have a right to have the camera? I’m not giving you permission to check my face.” They then inquire about authority, asking, “Are you a public servant? Or United Nations against the city. Okay. Does because this is my city, and so I have a right to film.” This line underscores Speaker 0’s insistence on their right to record within the space, coupled with a demand for clarity about the other party’s authority to restrict that right. Speaker 1 responds by questioning the premise of the filmed area, asking, “This is United Nations compound?” and clarifies the location’s status by confirming whether it is a compound. The conversation shifts to the status and sovereignty of the area, with Speaker 1 asserting control and jurisdiction over the space in question. A pivotal point in the dialogue arises when Speaker 1 provides a long claim about the compound’s ownership and territorial status. They state, “Since Sunday evening, we took over this compound. This is international territory.” They further elaborate the contrasting jurisdictions, stating, “When you step outside, it’s US. Here is international territory.” This statement frames the location as international territory within the compound, implying a distinct legal or political status compared to the surrounding area. Overall, the interaction is a brief confrontation over visual documentation and the governing authority of the space. Speaker 0 emphasizes the right to film and presses for clarity on who can permit or deny that right, while Speaker 1 asserts that the space is an international territory under their control since Sunday evening, differentiating it from the surrounding US jurisdiction. The dialogue highlights tensions between individual or press rights to film and a claimed change in sovereignty or control of a contested compound.

Speaker 0 describes concerns from June 2005 that Israel wasn’t preparing to attack Iran anytime soon, and that there was hurry to roll out a sequence of events as planned. The sequence described starts with Israel attacking Iran, with retaliation by either Iran or China after Iran is struck with a nuclear weapon. This leads to a limited nuclear exchange in the Middle East, followed by a ceasefire. He heard this being planned in the meeting and says it is being choreographed, “like the script for a movie.” In this rollout of the scenario, as the world looks on with horror, people will demand from their governments heavy controls over travel, over communication, over people who meet, and over people who protest in the streets. They want to prevent crazy bombers in airplanes and in shopping malls. Because people will be driven into fear, they will request, demand, and insist on heavy controls from their governments, which will be justified. This is where the martial law situation in Western countries is intended to come about. The speaker emphasizes that this is just the start of a much bigger and pretty horrifying story.

Speaker 0 urges everyone to make noise, stating that if anything happens to them, it will be another war crime added to Israel's list. Speaker 1 reports they are being intercepted, assures everyone present is safe and unwounded, and emphasizes that no one was wounded until the time they ordered their vote. Speaker 1 asks to raise the alarm.

Speaker 0: Of course, it was wedged between the two giant Israeli bodyguards the whole way. You want security, the Israelis know what they're doing. Exactly. So it was not the vacation I I I planned, but

Speaker says they’ve been in Israel many times; "The whole country's a fortress." They find the story hard to believe. "I've been to that Gaza border. You cannot go 10 feet without running into a 19 year old with an AR 15 or an automatic machine gun that is an IDF soldier. Right? The whole country is surveilled." He raises questions: "Was there a stand down order? Was there a stand down order? Six hours? I don't believe it." "Israel's the side of new side of New Jersey." He notes a helicopter ride from Jerusalem to the Gaza border is "forty five minutes. Six hours." "They're live streaming the killing of Jews."

During our time in Israel, we spoke to Palestinians, pollsters, Israeli Members of the Knesset, journalists, and people with various viewpoints. We discovered that the security wall is mostly a fence, with only 5% being an actual wall. Palestinians can enter Israel freely as long as they pass through airport-like security. However, Israelis are prohibited from entering certain areas of the West Bank due to safety concerns. We also observed a military hospital treating both Israelis and Syrians, including Syrian women who were victims of ISIS. This experience has led me to question the feasibility of a two-state solution and consider the importance of Israeli control in maintaining peace and security in the region.

Speaker 0: They say Israel is the only place where we're respected and protected. Speaker 1: I can attest to that. I went to Israel, spent two weeks there with the church, and we had an incredible time. We had only one incident where a small child spit on one of the pastors and immediately after, there was an adult that came by and said, "That's not a representation of who we are. You know, we love you guys." "You guys are always welcome here." And I have to say, no adults gave us any grief. We had no issues whatsoever in our experience there. It was actually an amazing

The speakers were questioned about allegedly being members of Mossad. They state they are from a country that experiences terror daily and their purpose was to document the event. The five Israelis were detained for ten weeks and finally deported on immigration violations.

The speaker states they did not trust Israelis, "not as far as I could throw them," and that the CIA doesn't allow Israelis into headquarters because they would bring gifts containing listening devices. According to the speaker, 100% of the gifts from Israelis had bugs in them, even at a safe house in Virginia. The speaker claims that 100% of their colleagues didn't trust Mossad. In contrast, the speaker trusted the British the most because their national interests are closely aligned.

Speaker A: The IDF trains American police officers and ICE officers in Israel? They train with US ICE, with US Homeland Security. NYPD. NYPD. And that's what's called through a SME program, subject matter exchange, where our police, etcetera, train with them. So, these National Guard soldiers that will soon be in or are in Chicago have trained with and trained with Israel habitually for years. So when you look at all of these pieces of who do we have operating on the streets of Portland and the streets of New York and on in DC and who's going into Chicago, all components and elements that have trained hand in hand with the IDF or the Israeli Ministry of the Interior Gendarmerie paramilitary police. Speaker B: That's absolutely amazing. I also That's not a coincidence. They do antisemitism training, not just physical training, but brainwash training, basically, for them too. Speaker A: When we entered Israel, they took us on the Hospa tour. They took us to Kibbutz B'Ari. They took us to the Nova Film Festival site, and they also took us to Sderot, which is the overlook just outside of Northern Gaza City in Beit Hanun. It's on the Israeli side of the border Right. That overlooks all of Gaza City. Mhmm. They've turned that into a spectacle. It's a picnic site. Really? You can go up there. There's vending machines. There's an area to park. There's an area where you can get your panoramic view with Gaza in the background, and if you time it just right, there might be a bomb that drops for your photo.

Speaker introduces more evidence: In this room there is a list. "This list in Arabic, in Arabic, this list says we are in an operation." "The operation against Israel started in the October 7." "This is a guardian list where every terrorist writes his name and every terrorist has his own shift, guarding the people that were here." These remarks frame the list as Arabic and as a guardian roster, suggesting organization among the individuals labeled as terrorists and their shifts guarding those present. These remarks emphasize that the list is described as "in Arabic" and linked to a broader operation against Israel, portraying the room as a place where combatants' names and shifts are recorded to "guard" people.

There are no terrorist attacks in Switzerland or America, unlike other places. Air travel is strict, as even small items like Swiss knives or nail clippers are not allowed. The speaker believes that bombs are not brought on planes by passengers, but rather by those with diplomatic passports or airport staff. They mention an incident in Italy where 80 people died in a terrorist attack, which was allegedly orchestrated by the Italian secret services.

The speaker details a security career with frontline work in Iraq and Afghanistan. They’ve provided security services to the president of the United States and other high-ranking members of the U.S. government, and they’ve protected diplomatic personnel, high-net-worth corporate clients, media personalities, investigative journalists, and the general public. They continue this work as a SWAT team leader and executive protection specialist, and have been repeatedly recognized for high-level professionalism, proficiency, and knowledge of security measures across those fields. The narration signals ongoing analysis of past events, suggesting the speaker is evaluating what happened within this security context in complex environments.