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Speaker 0 claims to have explosive, verifiable information that can publicly challenge the Zionist-occupied Trump administration to deny it if untrue. They urge Kash Patel to deny the claim if it is false, noting that the information is highly relevant. They credit Mel, who they say was early with the reporting, and say they had heard rumors but sought verifiable proof before going on the limb to assert authenticity. The core assertion is that there were 12 Israeli cell phones on the ground at Utah Valley University on the day Charlie Kirk was assassinated. The speaker clarifies that these were not VPNs routed through Israel, but 12 personal cell phone accounts opened in Israel. They claim these accounts were on the ground at Utah Valley University on September 10, the day Charlie Kirk was shot. The speaker states that the NSA knows this, Kash Patel knows this, and people in the current administration know that too, and are desperate to keep the information from the public. They question why the administration would want to suppress the information and why it would spook those at the top, suggesting that if there is nothing to hide, there would be nothing to hide. To anticipate counterarguments, the speaker plays devil’s advocate, noting that perhaps the cell phones belonged to exchange students or Israelis touring UVU that day, or that 12 American students had Israeli-based cell phones after returning from a summer abroad and wished to keep them running in Utah. They acknowledge they do not know the answer and express a desire to know, emphasizing the need to uncover why this information is being concealed and who those 12 Israeli cell phones belonged to. Throughout, the speaker refrains from evaluating the claims’ truth and simply presents the asserted facts and questions, urging accountability and transparency regarding the supposed Israeli cell phone presence and its connection to Charlie Kirk’s assassination. They close by reiterating their dislike of secrets, especially when they pertain to the public figure’s death.

About an hour ago I heard reports that Andrew Colvet, TP USA spokesperson, said he talked to the coroner and that Charlie was shot from the front in the left 30 yard six; "they found the bullet, which is even more insane." The bullet "come out over 2,000 feet per second" and "go right through things." The coroner reportedly said the bullet "went in and didn't go out the back" and was "found under the skin"—"That was a BB gun or something." They say it didn't go through the neck; "That that's official. I've now read the statement, not just the press report that got it wrong." He says no evidence of Israel involvement; crazy. He will call Andrew for an update; "Follow me right here Exit Road." Memorial and funeral tomorrow. "Pray for Charlie Kirk and his family and for Erica." "Get ready for more leftist terror attacks."

Speaker 0 says they spent the night compiling a timeline from every media outlet to show what the media is telling us and what evidence supports that. Key points: 08:23 sighting of a gray Dodge Challenger; 08:29 Robinson arrives at the university campus; 11:49 gait described as restricted; 11:52 on campus toward the Luce Center; 12:15 rifle drop wrapped in a towel, casings engraved; 12:33 shot fired at Charlie Kirk; 12:39 FBI arrives. Reward announced at 10:45; manhunt with 7,000 leads, 11,000 by Sept 12. Discord messages referenced; "limp no longer visible, suggesting that it was faked or a disguise." The speaker alleges Turning Point employees tampered with a crime scene and asks why CCTV footage hasn't been released, inviting viewers to audit the footage.

After Charlie Kirk was shot, the speaker notes the arrest of a little old man named George Zinn in DC and anchors on July 20 as pivotal, with coincidences around that date. He cites searches for Tempanogos Regional Hospital in Utah, questions about whether Kirk had an autopsy, and Utah medical examiner Deidra Amaro; an IP address originating in Israel is said to have accessed Amaro’s name and Utah figures Bo Mason (appointed July 17) and Matab Syed, later replaced by Robert Bowles. The speaker highlights a Bombardier Global 6,500 with tail number November1098Lima that flew near Orem at 204 feet on the day of Kirk's death and again 25 minutes later; Israel-origin IPs also searched Hunter Kozak and several Surgeons at Tempanogos Regional Hospital (examples include Steven Neelman, Robert Patterson). He urges investigators to check VPNs and IP tracks.

- "Charlie Kirk wearing a bulletproof vest." - "I have from a confirmed source." - "Carly Carly Trik arrived. He was hit in the chest, which is what we saw right here." - "The bullet ricocheted up and went into the neck." - "There was no side shooter, guys." - "The main shooter came from the front, and I don't think it was that Tyler dude." - "I think that Tyler dude is a patsy." - "So first, he drives and drops this gun off in the woods." - "Then he drives and parks his car on campus." - "Then he walks back to the woods to get the gun, then he puts the gun in his pants." - "Then he walks to campus, climbs on the roof, changes his outfit, then takes the shot." - "Then he jumps off the roof with a 24 inch barrel secured to his leg." - "I think there is somebody much farther back than that." - "Some people are saying he made ninety minutes." - "Definitely didn't feel a thing." - "This is what we call slop."

Charlie Kirk was taken to Tempanogos Regional Hospital. “Psycho District Of Columbia.” “Here's where, again, on September, right there, you see the searches for Timpanogos Regional Hospital, people looking for where they could try to occur.” “This spike of interest in Timpanogos Regional Hospital out of BC, and then no interest for two solid months before the shooting.” “the July 20 anchor date.” “the day before, somebody in the District Of Columbia says, we should really make sure we know what the Tempanogos Regional Hospital is.” “I thought, I wonder who the medical examiner is in Utah.” “Deidra Amaro.” “06/30/2025. In Israel.” “an IP address originating in Israel decided they were very interested in Deidre Amaro.” The speaker then cites researching “the surgeons at the Orem branch of Tampanoagos Regional Hospital,” listing “Steven Neelman,” “Robert Patterson, MD,” “Lee Trotter,” “Lee Patterson,” “Brian Gill,” and “Richard Rasmussen.” “If I'm the FBI, I might ask, is this related to an assassination where they rushed the body there, and there was a surgeon that declared Charlie Kirk a Superman and claims he found the bullet, and then signed the death certificate, and there was a watchdog.”

The speaker notes “the hospital where they took Charlie Kirk,” Tempanogos Regional Hospital, with a campus in Orem, Utah, and observes a spike in searches for “Tempanogos Regional Hospital” from BC around July 16, 2025, with a “07/20 anchor date” and the day before the shooting when someone said, “we should really make sure we know what the Tempanogos Regional Hospital is.” They emphasize they are “reporting the facts” and not drawing conclusions. They question the Utah medical examiner, saying the name is “Deidre Amaro” (or Deidra Amaro) and note, “an IP address originating in Israel decided they were very interested in Deidre Amaro,” with activity on 06/30/2025 in Israel, calling it strange and “not a common search.” They list surgeons at the Orem branch of Tempanogos Regional Hospital—“Steven Neelman,” “Robert Patterson, MD,” “Lee Trotter,” “Lee Patterson,” “Brian Gill,” “Richard Rasmussen”—searched around July 19–22, 2025, all from an “IP address originating in Israel.” The TalkingPointsUSA spokesperson claimed they spoke to the surgeon but didn’t give the name, and the speaker asks if the same IP looked up all surgeons, suggesting FBI/Utah State Police involvement and wondering if the searches relate to an assassination where a surgeon “declared Charlie Kirk a Superman and signed the death certificate.”

Speaker 1 argues there are several issues with Brian Harpel’s narrative. First, a records request found 20 911 calls related to Charlie Kirk’s death and the Utah Valley University shooting; none of the calls came from Brian Harpold or anyone on his security staff. 911 does not have any record of their call, which is presented as problem number one. Second, the question is who could have called 911 if the five men in the car describe their actions during the drive to the hospital. Brian Harpole had dropped his phone at UVU, and Frank Turick’s phone was stuck on FaceTime the whole time, according to him. The listener is invited to determine who possibly made the 911 call, when it was made, and why Harpole would claim a call was made if it did not occur. Speaker 2 recounts the drive to the hospital: they ran toward the security team, got into the SUV with Justin driving, Dan in the front with GPS, Rick to the left holding Charlie’s head, and Brian at Charlie’s feet. Charlie is described as so large that the door wouldn’t close, prompting commands to “go, go, go.” The group heads to the hospital, driving without lights or sirens, breaking intersections, and beeping the horn. An ambulance is described as approaching from the venue; they decide to continue. Justin is praised as a trained driver, using exact directions for turns. Rick and the speaker are in the back; Charlie’s left leg is down in the door, preventing the door from closing. The speaker is on their knees doing medical care with Rick and Charlie’s life in danger, shouting and performing CPR. Speaker 3 adds details: they open the back door, drag Charlie in, Justin drives 60–100 mph, Charlie’s tallness prevents the door from closing, and they continue driving. The speaker describes continuing medical care in the car, including stopping to perform CPR, and the door not closing because of Charlie’s size. They reach the hospital, put Charlie on a gurney, and wheel him inside. The staff are described as unaware of their arrival, since they had called 911 but arrived in bloodied condition. The speaker notes his phone came out during unloading, and that he had been FaceTiming his wife and later Spencer during the event. He explains that he left the phone in his back pocket once the shooting occurred. Speaker 1 concludes: Turick’s phone was stuck on FaceTime and did not make any calls; Rick Cutler was praying and cradling Charlie’s head, and holding Harpole to keep him from flying out of the SUV while tending to Charlie. Brian Harpole did not make any call and did not use his own phone since it was left at UVU. Justin, the driver, drove aggressively through intersections, while Dan Flood directed from the passenger seat. The question remains whether any 911 calls were made during the high-speed conveyance, given 911 calls last 30 seconds to 2 minutes, and whether anyone had a free moment to place a call. The speaker questions if a 911 call was made at all, and why Harpole would misremember a 911 call if none occurred. The hospital’s lack of notification suggests the 911 call may not have been successful, or may not have been made, and the speaker commits to continuing the investigation, asking for input on what happened to the missing 911 call.

Speaker cites a "confirmed source" and says, "This is a message that I was sent on x" and that "his friend's dad is a surgeon at the hospital" while noting "Carly Carly Trik arrived." He states, "Charlie Kirk wearing a bulletproof vest" and that "he was hit in the chest, which is what we saw right here. It caved in part of his chest. The bullet ricocheted up and went into the neck." He adds, "There was no side shooter, guys. The main shooter we're looking at came from the front," and, "I don't think it was that Tyler dude... I think that Tyler dude is a patsy." He recounts an FBI timeline: "First, he drives and drops this gun off in the woods... then he drives and parks his car on campus... climbs on the roof, changes his outfit, then takes the shot..." He questions, "Why wouldn't he have done that in the first place?" He also asserts, "when you cut your finger... you put it above your heart, it stops bleeding," and that "the neck is above elevated above his heart" as "they carried that body to the hospital." He concludes, "the dude on the roof is a patsy."

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 address a viral video about Charlie’s chief of staff, Mikey, and explain why they are discussing it. - The video in question attacks Mikey, Charlie’s chief of staff, claiming based on a few seconds of clips that he allegedly has a nonchalant or calm reaction to Charlie’s murder. They describe this as a “extremely disgusting attack.” - Speaker 1 recounts what happened: they were at the scene when a shooting occurred. The loud crack is heard; they turn and see Charlie has been shot. They realize there is a shooter on the scene. They decide to get out of there rather than be shot, noting Charlie had a security team that leapt into action to get Charlie out. - Speaker 0 notes their own actions: he, too, considered getting into the car, but decided against it. He was ahead of Mikey as they left. He recalls a moment where he paused to assess the situation, then saw Mikey, who was profoundly freaked out. Mikey’s lip was quivering, and he said, “I need to call Erica,” then took his phone and began calling Erica. Speaker 0 also called his own mom, saying there had been a shooting and that he was okay. - They describe Mikey’s later actions: after the initial shock, Mikey took charge like a “general directing a battle,” coordinating hospital transport and information flow, and directing people where to go. When they learned Charlie had died, Mikey told them, “now none of you can say anything that you've heard because it is Erica is not going to hear about this from anyone except me.” - Speaker 2 asks if Mikey could be involved in a conspiracy to murder Charlie. Speaker 1 responds that such accusations are vile and describes how some people online fuel such narratives, comparing the mindset to getting a “high” from dangerous or provocative content. - The speakers emphasize Mikey’s heroic actions: Mikey was distressed but stepped up to direct people and communicate with Erica and others. Speaker 0 notes that he, too, was traumatized after learning of Charlie’s death and rushed to be with Erica and the team. - They address the specific allegation that Mikey was on the phone immediately during the incident; they state he was not on the phone but was taking social videos to share with their group chats. He would send updates to Charlie’s social media during the event while the crowd was changing, then, overwhelmed by the noise and shock, he put his fingers in his ears but his phone remained in his hand as he moved away. - They describe the scene as a cordoned-off area with a narrow gap that people used to exit, where Mikey walked briskly or ran as he processed the trauma and continued to direct actions. They reiterate Mikey “turned into a general on a field marshaling the troops.” - Speaker 1 closes by urging readers who propagate narratives attacking Mikey to reconsider, stating that such narratives are bad and gross and a choice that shouldn’t be made.

Speaker questions why a medic near Charlie when he was shot isn't seen: "there was a medic walking behind the tent, had to have been five feet from Charlie the second that he got shot? Why didn't we see a medic running around that tent to render aid to Charlie, or did we? Did I miss this? Did somebody else see a medic carrying a big bag of medical supplies and coming over and rendering aid to Charlie, or did we just see dudes jumping over a railing, grabbing some shit, doing some handoffs, and taking off?" "Pretty weird. Check this video out. Let me know what you guys think." The discussion shifts to "Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last ten years? Too many." "Ten years? That. Counting or not counting gang violence. Great."

This footage proved very difficult to track down. Aaron also has a Chicago number. Neither of them are students of UVU. One of them said he was a student at BYU, which is Brigham Young University. The metadata begins at 12:22 and goes into 12:23, the very minute that Charlie gets shot. I watched him sprint back after taking the shot. I saw this with my own two eyes. the gun that the FBI found was not the gun that he saw. the assassin may have used a 10 or 20 round magazine only expecting to shoot once or twice.

New footage shows Turning Point’s chief of staff Mikey McCoy immediately plugging his ears, turning around, and walking away slowly right after Charlie Kirk was shot. While others around him run for cover, Mikey appears to be on a cell phone, prompting questions about whom he was talking to. Pastor Rob McCoy, Mikey’s father, claims Mikey called him right after Charlie Kirk was shot. He says, “son, Charlie's been shot in the neck. Please call every pastor and pray,” and notes Mikey had blood on him but “had wits about him” and was directing people as he walked away. Pastor Rob McCoy also claims Mikey is covered in blood, which he says contrasts with Mikey quickly turning and walking away without looking underneath the tent to see if Charlie was okay. According to James Lee’s investigation, citing the New York Times, Mikey McCoy called Erica Kirk. The Times reports that Erica Kirk was in her mother's hospital room at 11:23 AM local time in Phoenix when she saw the number of Michael McCoy appear on her phone, and she recalled hearing the words “he's been shot” before Mister McCoy screamed them. Official records indicate Charlie Kirk was shot at 12:23 PM Mountain Time, which is 11:23 in Phoenix. If the New York Times is accurate, the only person Mikey could have been on the phone with is Erica Kirk. The transcript frames the question: Who was Mikey McCoy really talking to, and why did he walk away so calmly immediately after his friend was shot?

Colin of Project Constitution sits down with Tyler (the interviewer’s name in the transcript isn’t consistently labeled; the speaker identifying themselves as “Speaker 1”) to discuss an in-depth, ongoing investigation into Charlie Kirk’s assassination and related events. The conversation covers timeline疑s, weapon analysis, hospital logistics, key individuals (notably Erica Kirk, Tyler Boyer, Terrrell Farnsworth, Candace Owens), and alleged foreign and domestic entanglements, with a focus on unfiltered details the team has uncovered. Key points and claims from the discussion: - Initial reaction and approach to Charlie Kirk’s assassination - The team initially accepted the FBI’s narrative but began seeing inconsistencies as reports alternated about suspect custody. Within days after the shooting, the crime scene was reportedly destroyed and the grass replaced with pavers at the university where Kirk spoke. - Video analysis reportedly shows the ground position of the shooter that the FBI cropped out, leading to questions about whether the shooter’s location and the weapon’s origin were accurately represented. - Weapon and ballistics questions - The team raised red flags about the reported firearm: a 30-odd-six was described, but ballistic experts argued that such a round would likely have killed or severely injured the target differently, prompting the theory that the weapon claim did not match the injuries observed. - The investigative team posits the use of an explosion intended to mimic past assassination patterns (e.g., MLK-era examples) and argues the actual kill injuries do not align with a 30-odd-six. - The team’s conclusion, based on crime scene photos, argues the presence of black shards and shards consistent with a microphone (a Rode wireless mic) that shattered on impact; burn marks on Charlie Kirk, and similar black shard traces observed in Candace Owens’ released SUV photos are cited as corroborating evidence. - They propose that an explosion occurred in proximity to the event, with a separate high-powered rifle shot possibly emitted by a drone—suggesting a drone sniper may have fired, not a ground-based shooter, and that the supersonic crack and potential muzzle flash were not from a conventional rifle fire but from a bullet transitioning from supersonic to subsonic speeds, creating a pressure cone. - Hospital choice and post-event handling - Charlie was taken to Tipanogos Hospital rather than a closer facility. Officials reportedly claimed this was to access a higher-grade trauma center, but the timeline questions why the closer hospital wasn’t used and how the decision was made in real time. - A witness (a landscaper at Tipanogos) described the sequence of events: an SUV delivering Charlie Kirk to the hospital, then a second SUV with Mikey McCoy entering through a doctor entrance and leaving, raising questions about who was picked up and where those individuals went afterward. - The FBI reportedly confiscated hospital security camera footage, which the team views as suspicious in a non-crime-scene context. - Candace Owens’ show highlighted an allegation that a surgeon attempted to access the body before Erica Kirk could see it; the surgeon allegedly faced FBI resistance to re-enter the patient area. There is a contested claim about “Superman neck” and whether the surgeon ever stated such language. - Erica Kirk: background, ties, and credibility - Erica is described as potentially military-trained and highly prepared; the team explored her past, tying her to Liberty University’s Falkirk Center and alleged trafficking connections, and to Romanian networks. They assert a pattern of deception—multiple inconsistent stories about how Erica and Charlie met, and extensive past relationships with multiple former partners. - They accuse Erica of deleting past social media and press content, pressuring photographers, and hiding past associations. - The team claims Erica has ties to a broader “Mormon Mafia” network tied to Mitt Romney, with connections to Utah and Arizona. They assert ties to CIA and other security entities, and claim involvement in trafficking and political influence networks. - Tyler Boyer, Terrell Farnsworth, and family/political entanglements - Tyler Boyer is described as deeply connected to the “Mormon Mafia” and as someone who previously ran Turning Point, with shell companies enabling political and charitable activities. The interview alleges he conducted surveillance on Colin and has conflicts of interest in Charlie Kirk’s case. - Terrell Farnsworth and his family connections are described as deeply entrenched in the network; Farnsworth’s stepfather reportedly held a senior position at Duncan Aviation, connected to alleged assassination logistics; Michael Burke (Farnsworth cousin) is identified as a top prosecutor connected to Tyler Robertson’s defense. - The discussion highlights a potential conflict of interest: Farnsworth’s cousin is the defense attorney for Tyler Robertson, creating a potential conflict, given Farnsworth’s role in the case and as a witness who allegedly handled the crime scene (removing SD cards and contaminating evidence). - Investigative aims and future directions - The team seeks a complete timeline that identifies every participant’s role and actions, both to present to the public and to pursue potential legal recourse. - They propose a documentary or comprehensive public analysis to expose alleged lies and inconsistencies and to push for accountability, either through court proceedings or public discourse. - They anticipate possible outcomes for Tyler Robertson’s case (conviction via public opinion, or a plea deal) and suggest the possibility of deeper CIA involvement in the radicalization and online manipulation processes surrounding the case. - They emphasize the risk to investigators and supporters, including concerns about surveillance, shadow banning, and potential threats or actions against prominent figures involved in the investigation. - Closing sentiment - Colin reiterates the importance of citizen journalism and collaboration with Candace Owens, Sam Parker, Baron Coleman, and others in pursuing truth and accountability. The interview ends with a pledge to continue the investigation and to keep the public informed as new information emerges.

The speakers recount the moments surrounding Charlie Kirk being shot and highlight the behavior of Mikey McCoy, Charlie Kelley’s chief of staff. The account begins with a father describing his son’s roles: Justin is the chief financial officer, and Mikey is the chief of staff. He recalls the instant Charlie was shot: “Charlie’s been shot in the neck. Please call every pastor and pray.” He notes that Charlie was directing at the time, with blood all over him. Speaker 1 focuses on Mikey’s actions during the incident. He notes that Mikey is still there, phone in hand, texting, talking, then putting the phone away. He points to the person Charlie is arguing with, Hunter Kozak, and emphasizes what the video shows about Mikey: he seems to see Charlie get hit and “simply walks away.” Mikey later reappears on the other side of the tent, not running but walking. The account questions whether Mikey might be on the phone, though it isn’t certain. Security guards are described as doing their part, while Mikey is shown “walking, like getting far away from everything.” The narrative suggests Mikey turned his back on the incident after it happened. Speaker 2 names Mikey McCoy, Charlie Kirk’s chief of staff and friend, describing what he did or did not do during the morning. The speaker asserts that Mikey “spent the whole morning dutifully and loyally by Charlie’s side filming everything,” but then “abandoned Charlie in the very instant Charlie was killed.” The key questions posed are whether Charlie was actually dead, whether he needed help, and whether Mikey rushed to aid him or instead got his camera out. The speaker concludes that, according to the account, “Mikey McCoy didn't care about Charlie Kirk at all and just left him behind.” In summary, the described sequence presents Mikey McCoy as being present with Charlie prior to the shooting, then engaging in texting and moving away, appearing on the far side of the tent, and ultimately turning his back on Charlie after the incident, with the claim that he abandoned him as Charlie passed. The recounting is reinforced by a second speaker who reiterates that Mikey did not assist Charlie and appeared to prioritize other actions over Charlie’s welfare.

Speaker 0: "Oh, I don't need TMZ's cameras. There's nothing I love more than a good investigation, and I'm coming to you guys with the receipts." They report "Trump has said Charlie Kirk has died" and, "as we were reporting the assassination of Charlie Kirk." They say people in the back room were "watching a car chase" and "laughing, they were clapping, and you could hear it out here." Exhibit A–D are referenced: "the alleged car chase that they were watching"; "the giant clocks around their office"; "don't worry. You won't have to do the math because I've done it for you"; "Time stamp... one zero seven and fifteen seconds in the afternoon... with the time stamp on their video of three hours forty two minutes and five seconds." "For 03:00 in Utah time, which is two 02:00 Pacific." Exhibit D: "the cheering starting at exactly four hours seventeen minutes and fifteen second mark, which is a difference of thirty five minutes and ten seconds." "01:43." They conclude, "they were not laughing. They were not reacting that way about Charlie Kirk's assassination. They were not. They would not work here if they did."

- The footage that we saw of the front of Charlie's neck, was that an entry or an exit wound? - Why wasn't there any blood spatter on the white banner behind Charlie? - Why wasn't this handled like a regular crime scene? - Why was the security taking down a camera that was posted up behind Charlie during the shooting? Who took that camera down? Where is that footage? - For multiple decoys in this incident, it almost seems like there's a patsy because you remember that older guy who was taken into custody. His name turned out to be George Zinn. - Netanyahu is acting incredibly suspicious. - He somehow tweeted at the exact same time as Donald Trump to announce that Charlie Kirk was killed. - He was home in his casket within forty eight hours of being killed. Everything was very swift. - What does the hospital have to say? What do the surgeons at the hospital have to say?

"the time stamp is 12:44. Charlie Kirk was shot at 12:23." "So roughly about twenty minutes after that, he pulls in here, sits in the car park for a bit, and then drives out and then drives out of the car park and towards UVU." "This white car was parked up front closer to the camera as as we can see, and we can play this again." "the officer apparently did not have his body cam footage on." "Prosecution has a weak spot because that the messages, the the trans boyfriend messages, they don't have time stamps." "the gun that they showed initially, the picture New York Post published this. FBI never published a gun before that, right?" "This is not even the rifle." "composite stock on it." "There is enough camera footage now, somebody was telling me, and enough to for them to do, like, a ballistic sound. Acoustic forensics." "it sounds like a muffled, not like a 30 out six." "weak reload." "double DHT." "they're tainting the jury pool basically."

"Charlie was brought dead to the hospital." "Charlie was being shot from on top." "No, it didn't go through." "It went down his spine, exploded in his heart. Fragments went in there, which makes sense." "That's what happens." "So this is ballistics." "I'm a ballistics expert." "Now understand. He's being shot from above." "But, absolutely, there's no way you get shot with 30 on six. It doesn't go through." "He shot from up high. He goes down and explodes." "His memorial's tomorrow in Arizona. We'll be covering it live." "I read a press report that got it wrong." "Let ballistic experts know we'll break it all down, but that's the facts as we know them right now." "God bless you all. God bless Charlie Kirk."

The conversation centers on a controversial, conspiratorial claim that Charlie Kirk’s death was not caused by a rifle shot but by an exploding lavalier microphone containing a shaped charge, a military-style operation allegedly planned and executed with broad involvement and cover-up elements. Key points and assertions heard in the exchange: - The speakers reject the official narrative of a lone shooter, Tyler Robinson, and insist Charlie Kirk was killed by an exploding microphone rather than a 30-06 rifle shot. They describe the supposed weapon as a Rode lavalier microphone whose battery and circuit board were propelled by an internal shaped charge, causing a neck wound and brain damage. - They argue that evidence at the scene—shrapnel, the microphone’s shattered front, a battery and circuit board ejecting from the wound, and a distinctive neck injury pattern—cannot be reconciled with a rifle entry wound. They claim blood on the scene came from Charlie Kirk’s brain, not from the heart or circulatory system, and that the blood’s appearance and pooling indicate immediate brain trauma rather than post-injury bleeding. - There is repeated emphasis on the “shirt deformation,” necklace snapping, and the presence of gas/plume around the collar as indications of a gas-expulsion event consistent with a high-energy explosion near the microphone, not a ballistic impact. - John Bray (Speaker 1) provides technical demonstrations and plans to reproduce the neck wound and shirt deformation via simulations and physical reconstructions. He discusses mapping movement with AI to show that the most intense movement centers around the microphone, and he argues that only a high-energy explosive could generate the observed energy transfer and rapid tissue response. - Bray describes reconstructing the microphone internals in CAD, evaluating the possibility of a shaped charge, and reconfiguring the microphone case to fit a charge without compromising microphone function. He mentions needing access to high-energy explosives and discusses potential sources, such as oil-and-gas fracture practices that employ shaped charges. - The discussion includes descriptions of how the battery and circuit board allegedly exited the neck wound, and how the neck wound’s rectangular shape and delayed bleeding could be explained by a blunt-force impact from a blast, with the battery briefly plugging the wound before exiting. - Bray asserts that the presence of shrapnel from the microphone in the SUV and on clothing, plus the trajectory of a magnetic clasp across the body, supports a single-source energy event around the microphone rather than a rifle shot. He claims the trajectory and timing make rifle-based explanations untenable. - The host and Bray discuss the roles of various people connected to Turning Point USA and alleged participants in a larger conspiracy. They mention Fort Huachuca and UVU as places linked to pre-event planning, and reference meetings and conversations involving high-profile figures and politicians. - There is extensive talk about the public reception and challenges to their theory, including the difficulty of reproducing the exact trauma and wound dynamics, and the claim that mainstream or official narratives suppress or ignore the “truth” they see in the evidence. - Bray mentions ongoing work to replicate the neck wound within about 30 days and notes that reproducing the full explosive event is more complex, requiring careful selection and sourcing of appropriate high-energy materials. He emphasizes that even without replicating the exact explosion, reproducing the neck wound and shirt movement would be strong evidence against the rifle narrative. - The discussion veers into related political and media insinuations, including references to Epstein, the “pedophile cabal,” and Trump as an FBI informant, which are used to reinforce a sense of systemic conspiracy and media distrust. They propose public-facing dissemination of their findings and invite support, including promoting Bray’s work and related self-sufficiency projects. - Toward the end, the speakers discuss the possibility that Tyler Robinson may have been recruited or used as a patsy, with Bray suggesting he might have been promised online notoriety or other incentives, while insisting that Robinson is not the sole killer and that the microphone theory better accounts for the observed evidence. Overall, the transcript presents a tightly woven narrative that disputes the official account of Charlie Kirk’s death, contending that a high-energy explosive integrated into a microphone caused the fatal injury and that the visible physical effects—shirt movement, neck wound, collar gas, shrapnel, and blood patterns—are inconsistent with a gunshot wound. It foregrounds technical schematics, CAD reconstructions, and AI-based motion analysis as the basis for proving the claim, while describing a broader, conspiratorial project to expose a supposed government-orchestrated cover-up.

The speaker tracks online searches about Charlie Kirk’s hospitalization at Tempanogos Regional Hospital, noting a spike around July 20 and a District Of Columbia query the day before: "we should really make sure we know what the Tempanogos Regional Hospital is. We really should make sure we know the day before he gets shot." They question whether an autopsy was performed, asking, "I wonder who the medical examiner is in Utah" and citing "Deidra Amaro" as the Utah medical examiner. An IP address from Israel looked up "Deidre Amaro" on 06/30/2025. The search expands to surgeons at the Orem branch: "Steven Neelman," "Robert Patterson, MD," "Lee Trotter," "Lee Patterson," "Brian Gill," "Richard Rasmussen"—all with Israel-origin IPs around July 19-22. They speculate about VPNs and ask if this relates to "an assassination where they rushed the body there, and there was a surgeon that declared Charlie Kirk a Superman and claims he found the bullet, and then signed the death certificate, and there was a watchdog." "I'm not drawing conclusions tonight."

- I recognized an individual and 'have taken down the cameras minute four after Charlie was shot? The back camera of all the ones when you take the front camera.' - 'I've never seen that. He's never been behind me at an event. He's never been lingering around me at an event.' - I asked about 'his presence behind Charlie' and 'the mysterious phone call ... minute three after Charlie was assassinated.' - He told me explicitly that 'they were trying something new that day. Like, it was something new. Charlie's super ambitious. And on the AV thing, they were trying something new, and they wanted to be able to feed it back instantly to Arizona.' - 'None of it makes sense to me because these events are typically livestreamed. But again, something new. Okay?'

Discussion centers on claims about the Charlie Kirk assassination, including a side shot. The presenter says "there's now a shooter on the roof" and an eyewitness states the shooter was "wearing tactical gear" and described "the exact type of weapon... a two two three round." A bystander video shows "somebody on the roof" and the eyewitness asserts the shooter was "highly trained, like a highly trained assassin" and that the footage's metadata "begins at 12:22 and goes into 12/23, the very minute that Charlie gets shot." The speaker adds the shooter "looked like a foreign agent" and "not jeans." Another claim: "the FBI's official story is false" with video of an "entry and exit wound," though another participant says "it's not blood splatter. That's literally his necklace getting snapped off and flying over the back of his neck." The discussion concludes with "Cash should resign."