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Marjorie Taylor Greene said she found the situation in a building that was “basically empty” and questioned whether members of Congress own real estate and rent to the federal government in Washington, DC. She claimed the answer was “Yeah,” and argued this should have been the beginning of addressing corruption. She emphasized she would be different and would be on the front end, aiming to eliminate corruption that has infiltrated committee systems. She acknowledged politics’ current back-and-forth dynamics but said the goal is to reduce that tension and focus on reform. Speaker 1 asked Greene, as Doge chairman, to continue the work on what appears to be a massive scandal: big federal buildings owned by members of Congress and leased back to the federal government—private buildings owned by members of Congress leased to the government—describing it as “the snake eating its tail” and “the tip of the iceberg.” Greene described the broader problem as a frustration with the system and warned against a “shotgun approach,” saying they must not be neutralized and must focus on a few targets. She identified the first focus as the IRS, noting that the big complaint with the IRS, besides “stealing your money,” is that you can’t ever reach them and that their technology is not intermingled. Speaker 1 referenced Greene’s statements about government duplication. Greene said she found through government duplication a chart that “my staff has uncovered basically over a trillion dollars of just simple duplication within these departments that nobody is willing to tackle.” She reiterated the plan to tackle this issue, even if it’s not “sexy,” and to “tackle it,” showing it to the American public, with the hope they will back efforts when changing the structure of government. Greene reiterated that the aim is to focus on a few issues, start with IRS problems, and address the broader duplication and inefficiencies uncovered by her staff. She expressed a determination to reveal these findings to the public and pursue structural changes in government.

My name is David Nelson, and I work for the IRS as a tax examining technician. I'm speaking out because our systems are incredibly outdated and not integrated, which handcuffs us. I'm not afraid of losing my career if it means I can help the American people and my colleagues at the IRS. We use a program called IDRS, dating back to the late 1960s. It significantly impacts our efficiency; it's absurd that the US tax system relies on such an old program. I've even created a solution as a hobby to improve things. Congress has been notified about this for years, and while the Inflation Reduction Act provided some funds, it was just a band-aid, not a real fix. I want to set an example for my children and do the right thing.

So, we're from the Department of Government Efficiency, and we're here because we have no idea what you guys actually do around here. Where's the gold, where's the money going and how many 50-year-olds are you paying every month? All the funds are allocated, but what exactly are they allocated for? Also, why do 50,000 federal employees owe $1.5 billion in taxes? After an audit of the IRS, we found you owe $50 million. What about your chief of the flat office navigation team getting paid $20,000,000 a year to find the edge of the office? I want to see every receipt. If I find out even one cent went to funding secret IRS strip clubs, I'll throw you in the deepest, darkest prison cell in America! Ultimately, we're going to fire some people, abolish the IRS, and turn IRS workers into ICE workers.

There's support for clearing government waste on both sides, but also concern about the access Musk and Doge staffers have to sensitive data, especially given Musk's investments with China. As a congressman, I can say that the IRS has been a nightmare. When I write letters of concern for my constituents, it takes up to six months to get a response. The IRS has hundreds of groups with access to sensitive information, yet there were no complaints. Now that Elon Musk is involved and potentially making changes, suddenly everyone is upset. If you have nothing to hide, you have no reason to be asking questions. Congressmen will be in trouble when this paper trail leads back to them.

An individual stated they have not heard from the IRS after speaking out, but prior to doing so, they heard that people within the IRS were nervous about their plans to speak publicly, as it is strongly discouraged. They describe the IRS's IDRS system as antiquated and question who benefits from it remaining an analog system from the 1960s. They ask anyone with information about why the system hasn't been updated to contact them, suggesting this reason is why changes haven't occurred. They express hope for future changes.

Sam Korkos, a special advisor within the US Treasury, and Treasury Secretary Scott Vessant, discuss modernizing the IRS. Korkos is reviewing the IRS's modernization program, which is 30 years behind schedule and $15 billion over budget. The goal is to update the IRS's legacy infrastructure, which still uses old mainframes. Korkos says the IRS has talented software developers, but they haven't been empowered to make decisions. Vessant says entrenched interests and consultants have constricted themselves around the IRS, costing taxpayers unbelievable amounts of money. Korkos notes the IRS processes the same amount of data as a mid-sized bank, but with far more IT staff and a much larger budget, 80% of which goes to contractors and licenses. Vessant says his priorities for the IRS are collections, privacy, and customer service, none of which are being well served. Korkos has stopped work and cut about $1.5 billion from the modernization budget. He says the career staff has been cooperative. Vessant wants the American people to understand what is being done to make government work better, cheaper, faster, and with more privacy.

Speaker 0: There is no law. And to date, nobody has been able to show that there is a law for the average American citizen working day in and day out to pay an income tax. Speaker 1: But We, The People Foundation for Constitutional Education put a full page ad in The USA Today on 07/07/2000. And within the body of that ad was a $50,000 challenge for anyone that could show the law. And to me, $50,000 is a lot of money. So I went after that and did the research based on the fact that I thought, let's put this baby to bed. I'm hearing all these rumors. You know, I'm gonna kill two birds with one stone. I'll answer these people's questions they're asking me, and then I win this $50,000. And, you know, based on the research that I did throughout the year 2000 and that I'm still doing, I have not found that law. I've asked congress. We've asked a lot of people in the IRS, IRS commissioners, helpers. They can't answer because if they answer, the American people are gonna know that this whole thing is a fraud. Speaker 2: There is no law. There is no law that requires the average American worker in the private sector to pay a direct unapportioned tax on their labor and compensation for services. There is no law. Speaker 3: I really expected that, of course, there's a law that you can point to in the law book, the code, that requires you to file a tax return. Of course, there is. I mean, I don't know what it is right then as we as he was speaking to me, but sure. So, naively, I agreed to go off and research it and get back to him. Three and a half months later, I was at that point where I couldn't find the statute that clearly made a person liable, at least not me and, most people I know. And I had no no choice in my mind except to to resign. Speaker 4: I had to leave the IRS because I presented, evidence that I had accumulated indicating that the agency was violating the law and violating people's rights. And I asked the agency for a response to my sincere concerns, and the answer I got was that they would not respond to my concerns and that they would, provide me with the paperwork necessary to tender my resignation. Speaker 5: You can look through the statutes and look for the law that requires you to pay. And when you do that, you can't identify a law that requires the average person in America who earns a wage and works in private business to pay an income tax. Speaker 2: American citizens, along with the foundation, have been asking the IRS to specifically provide them with the the underlying legal foundation upon which they administer and enforce the personal income tax laws in our country. Speaker 3: At the national level, when people would attempt to contact somebody of a much higher authority, say the cons the commissioner, same kind of thing. They wouldn't get they would get answers that were in effect non answers. Speaker 6: You have to understand that an agency which will unlawfully impose a tax that doesn't exist it's not gonna care. If we, the people, don't know what our rights are, they're not gonna tell us. Speaker 4: If Americans just learned that the IRS was actually knowingly deceiving them, that that enough that would be enough for them to rise up and put a stop to it. Speaker 7: 100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the federal debt. All individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government. People have been told, you know, that you need this income tax system to fund government, is absolutely ridiculous. I mean, my question is, well, if that's true, how did we fund government from 1776 to 1913? Speaker 8: The main purpose of the income tax is not to raise revenue, but to redistribute wealth and to control society. And a lot Speaker 9: of people might say, well, gee, if there wasn't an income tax, what would happen to education? They don't understand that education is paid for, for the most part, out of state and local taxes, your property tax. People might say, well, how are we going to build and maintain our highways if there's no money coming into the government? We need our highways. There is a tax on every gallon of gasoline that people buy. Proceeds from the income tax do not pay for highway construction. Speaker 10: I believe that in both spirit and substance, our tax system has come to be un American. Death and taxes may be inevitable, but unjust taxes

I'm an American citizen, born here, 37 years old, and have paid taxes my whole life. I've put a lot of money into this country and always have to pay at the end of the year. I've never had any government assistance, food stamps, or any help from the government ever. I've paid tens of thousands of dollars in taxes, and they've never helped me. People here illegally are getting all that money that I paid in, that I can't have. It was taken from me from my hard work, out of my pocket, without my permission. Now they're giving it away to people who didn't earn it.

The IRS has been using AI to access American citizens' bank accounts without warrants. They claim to have access to everyone's accounts and are willing to go after small taxpayers. Jim Jordan and I demanded answers from the IRS. We need a new administration to protect our civil rights from this lawless surveillance.

There's support for clearing government waste on both sides of the aisle, but also concern about the access Musk and Doge staffers have to sensitive data, especially given Musk's investments with China and billions from the government. When PayPal was owned by Elon Musk, there were no security breaches. The IRS is a nightmare, with folks not back to work years after COVID. As a Congressman, it takes me up to six months to get a response regarding constituent concerns. The IRS has hundreds of groups with access to sensitive data. People are only complaining now that Elon Musk is involved. The only reason to ask questions is if you're doing something crooked. Congressmen will have red faces when this paper trail leads back to them. People are pitching a fit because Musk is making needed changes.

There's massive fraud in this country, including foreign nationals using fake social security numbers and identities to steal billions in taxpayer benefits. By clamping down on this fraud in our tax and entitlement systems, we could save over a trillion dollars. Doge are subordinate staffers of the federal government and political appointees that serve and answer to the president. They will analyze and assess for signs and symptoms of fraud and how IT systems are failing to detect it. We need to protect the integrity of these systems that Americans rely on. We are restoring neutrality, ethics, and accountability to the IRS to identify large-scale fraud, unfair politicization, and unfair targeting. We want to ensure confidence in the IRS and that no dollars are being stolen from the American people.

Yes, other IRS employees have reached out about coming forward as whistleblowers. They are closely watching my case, and how I am treated will influence their willingness to take risks. The personal cost of coming forward has been significant; I've lost relationships and faced debilitating depression. I'm not wealthy and live paycheck to paycheck, struggling against a powerful system that can wear me down. The IRS feels like a smothering force, hoping I will quit or be terminated. My career feels over due to how the IRS and the Department of Justice are treating me.

The speaker was asked to help fix retirement in the government and discovered that all paper documents for the retirement process are housed in a mine in Pennsylvania. This mine contains 22,000 filing cabinets stacked 10 high, holding 400 million pieces of paper. The retirement process, largely unchanged since the 1950s, involves physical paperwork and can take many months. Currently, the government can only process about 8,000 retirements a month, with processing times taking six to nine months, and calculations are often incorrect. The goal is to digitize the process, creating an online system that takes only a few days. The speaker believes civil servants are subjected to outdated processes and aims to provide a modern, user-friendly experience. The overhaul is expected to be completed in the next couple of months.

IRS employee David Nelson is blowing the whistle on the agency's outdated systems, specifically the Integrated Data Retrieval System (IDRS) which dates back to the 1960s. Nelson states the system is command code driven, similar to MS DOS but older, and hinders efficiency. He claims the IRS could be substantially smaller with updated programs and a centralized inventory system. Nelson created a solution as a hobby to reform the IRS, automating tasks to improve efficiency. He says that copying taxpayer information into letters is currently a manual process. While Congress has been notified and funds allocated, Nelson believes the changes are just a "band-aid" and don't fix the core problem. He says IRS employees are generally told not to report system deficiencies. Nelson is motivated by a desire to help the American people and set an example for his children. He acknowledges the risk to his career but feels compelled to do the right thing. He says everyone at the IRS knows about the problems, but the American people do not. Nelson also discussed his disability and his children's support.

I work at the Treasury, reviewing investments into the US for national security risks. Recently, Doge gained access to the Treasury to cut waste, but I think we're an easy target. People I know have worked for the government for years and don't do much. Doge shouldn't have access to the Treasury due to national security risks. It's weird because no one knows what they want to do with the system or why they need access to random people's tax information. Giving people this kind of access creates vulnerabilities. They could misuse the information or give it to another country. Elon's actions feel like government-sanctioned harassment. Everyone in my office is worried about getting fired. Some people care more about money than the country.

I want to assure every tax payer that the IRS will not be sifting through records randomly. We are performing a basic anti-fraud review to prevent large scale theft of taxpayer benefits. We pay billions in child tax credits to illegal aliens, so we are implementing systematic reforms. The IRS has been weaponized against Americans for years, engaging in politically based audits and leaking taxpayer information. We are restoring neutrality, ethics, and security controls. One of our major projects involves upgrading IT systems to protect taxpayer information from theft by criminals or foreign governments.

I consider myself a humble tech support, and that’s almost a literal description of the work the Doge team is doing to help fix government computer systems. Many of these systems are extremely old and don't communicate, and the software doesn't work. The overall goal is to help address the enormous deficit. We simply cannot sustain $2,000,000,000,000 deficits. The interest on the national debt now exceeds the Defense Department spending. If this continues, the country will become de facto bankrupt. It's not an optional thing; it is essential. If we don't do this, America will go bankrupt. I'm confident that we can find a trillion dollars in savings.

I estimate that over $100 billion of taxpayer money is being wasted or stolen. I'm a former programmer who uses AI to search public databases for government waste, like exposing USAID. Elon Musk noticed my work and shared it, which I'm grateful for. I'm working on a project to analyze connections and relationships between people in the government. You start to notice that they're all working together; they know each other. I want to map those relationships and put it on my website. Both Democrats and Republicans are involved in this corruption. We even have sitting members of Congress who sit on the NGOs and vote in congress for money for themselves. It's a huge conflict of interest. Exposing these things is scary, but I feel called to do this work.

Our government needs new incentives for bureaucracy to adapt and improve since they can't fail like individuals can. The technology revolution has changed private organizations, but our government is lagging behind. Our financial systems are outdated, unable to track trillions of dollars in transactions, and information sharing is hindered by incompatible technological systems.

We're streamlining the federal bureaucracy, aiming to reduce the workforce. We found a surprising bottleneck: the retirement process. Currently, the maximum number of retirements per month is capped at 10,000 due to a completely manual, paper-based system. The paperwork is stored in a 1950s-era limestone mine, and the speed of the mine shaft elevator limits processing. This antiquated system employs thousands of people whose efforts could be far better utilized elsewhere. The situation is absurd; we need to modernize this process immediately. Imagine the increased efficiency and contribution to the country's goods and services if these employees were redeployed.

I'm Luke Savarin, a former officer with the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA). I'm here as a whistleblower to expose systemic failures and massive corruption within the agency. While working at CBSA, I uncovered the theft of over 400,000 travel documents, and identified individuals on terror watch lists receiving Canadian travel documents. Management dismissed my concerns and even directed me to falsify reports. I witnessed the destruction of foreign passports and the creation of false documents in federal databases. My reports were ignored, and I faced retaliation for speaking out. The core issue is corruption and lack of accountability at every level of the CBSA. A complete overhaul is needed, including an independent oversight committee and protection for whistleblowers. Without these changes, Canada's security will remain at risk. The Canadian public needs to demand action from their members of parliament to fix these issues.

Sam Korkos, a special advisor within the US Treasury, and Secretary Scott Bessent discuss modernizing the IRS. Korkos, also CEO of a software company, was brought in to review the IRS's modernization program, which is 30 years behind schedule and $15 billion over budget. The goal is to migrate the IRS's legacy infrastructure, similar to old banking systems, to a modern system. Bessent says entrenched interests are constricting the system, costing taxpayers. Korkos notes the IRS processes data equivalent to a mid-sized bank but with far more IT staff and a larger budget, with 80% going to contractors and licenses. Bessent wants to improve collections, privacy, and customer service. Korkos says he's cutting wasteful projects and has stopped $1.5 billion in spending. He says career staff have been cooperative. Bessent says the goal is government efficiency, not elimination, and wants the IRS to work better, cheaper, faster, and with more privacy. Korkos is committed to the project for six months.

IRS whistleblower David Nelson had his network access revoked without notice. Nelson emailed his supervisor, Carolyn Black, for instructions after receiving an IR Works incident ticket. Nelson claims he only shared public information and that Internal Revenue Manual 11.3.2 allows him to speak to the media, expressing personal opinions on matters of public concern, clarifying he doesn't represent the IRS. The IRS media relations person, Karen Connolly, stated she could not comment on personnel matters due to federal law. The speaker alleges there are 100,000 federal employees known to not pay taxes, and the treasury is allegedly not enforcing a $10 billion earned income tax credit. The speaker claims there is corruption within the IRS and people are afraid for their lives. The Citizen Journalism Foundation has a Federal Whistleblower Handbook. The Whistleblower Protection Act prohibits retaliation for protected disclosures. The speaker hopes more IRS whistleblowers will come forward.

I'm David Nelson, a tax examining technician at the IRS. I'm blowing the whistle on our outdated systems like the Integrated Data Retrieval System (IDRS) from the 1960s. It's command code driven, like MS-DOS but older, and it severely hinders our efficiency. I've even created a potential solution in my free time, a centralized inventory system to replace IDRS, but there are many approvals to get through to use it. Congress knows about these issues, but the "fixes" have been mere band-aids. IRS employees are generally discouraged from speaking out, but I'm not afraid to lose my job. I want to set an example for my kids, to show them the importance of doing the right thing, even when it's scary. My job is to ensure a fair and just tax system for the American people.