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The speaker claims that the long-held belief that fat and red meat cause heart disease originated from a flawed study in the 1950s. According to the speaker, Ansel Keyes' seven-country study, which linked saturated fat intake to heart disease, shaped nutritional policy for decades. However, Keyes allegedly cherry-picked countries for his study, omitting those like France with high saturated fat intake but no increased heart disease risk. The speaker asserts that Keyes also ignored other key health factors like sugar intake, sedentary lifestyles, and smoking, which allowed him to blame fat and red meat. The speaker states that despite cutting out eggs, red meat, and butter, heart disease rates have continued to rise. The speaker suggests addressing unstable blood sugar, high processed food intake, and metabolic dysfunction instead, and questioning the current narrative.

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Americans primarily consumed animal fats 120-130 years ago with low rates of heart disease. In 1950, Ancel Keys' 7 countries study and Eisenhower's heart attack shifted focus to saturated fats being bad and polyunsaturated fats being good. The American Heart Association received a large donation from Procter and Gamble, who made Crisco, leading to promotion of polyunsaturated fats. Ads in the 1960s pushed for polyunsaturated oils like Mazola corn oil.

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For years, they've blamed fat and red meat for heart disease, but that all started with one flawed study. Back in the nineteen fifties, a researcher by the name of Hansel Keyes launched the seven country study. His data showed a link between saturated fat intake and heart disease, and that shaped nutritional policy for years to come. Ansel Keyes cherry picked the countries he included in his study, leaving out countries like France who have a high intake of saturated fat but had no increased risk of heart disease. Even worse, he left out other key health factors, things like sugar intake, a sedentary lifestyle, and even smoking. All of these have huge effects on overall heart health. And by ignoring these, he was able to point the finger at fat and red meat as the overall villain.

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"Cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease. Zero." "Here's the thing. Ansel Keyes was a researcher. He committed scientific fraud." "He lied on the papers that determined them saying, oh, look, cholesterol is highly implicated in cardiovascular disease." "Turns out he lied. They've proven there was fraud, but yet all the cardiologists and all the PCPs, because the standard of care guideline is still if the cholesterol is this number two zero one, you better prescribe a statin." "And if you don't, we will not defend you in the court of law if you get sued." "My grandmother was alive, the normal cholesterol at my age was 350." "So everybody used to walk around with 300, 350, and it was very normal." "They have not educated you on what really is causing it." "What's causing cardiovascular disease is damage to what's called the glycocalyx." "The glycocalyx is probably the largest organ in your body, and none of you have even heard of it."

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Cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease, zero. Ansel Keyes was a researcher who committed scientific fraud, lying on the papers that determined them, saying cholesterol is highly implicated in cardiovascular disease. They know he lied; we’ve proven there was fraud. But yet all the cardiologists and all the PCPs, because the standard of care guideline is still if the cholesterol is this number “two zero one,” you better prescribe a statin, and if you don't, we will not defend you in the court of law if you get sued. That’s why they all do it, because of their malpractice. I’ve had physicians tell me this. They’re like, of course we know they’re bullshit. When my grandmother was alive, the normal cholesterol at my age was 350. So everybody used to walk around with three hundred three hundred fifty and it was very normal and they were all skinny and nobody worked out. Nobody was fat in 1950, 60, 70, they were thin. Three twenty, three fifty, that was normal. In the labs, two physicians, that’s normal. Nobody was treated. Three fifty is not high. I’m sorry they have not educated you on what really is causing it. What’s causing cardiovascular disease is damage to what’s called the glycocalyx. The glycocalyx is probably the largest organ in your body and none of you have even heard of it.

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The speaker claims that the long-held belief that fat and red meat cause heart disease originated from a flawed study in the 1950s by Hansel Keyes. According to the speaker, Keyes' seven-country study, which linked saturated fat intake to heart disease, shaped nutritional policy for decades. However, Keyes allegedly cherry-picked countries for the study, omitting France, which has high saturated fat intake but no increased heart disease risk. Keyes also supposedly ignored factors like sugar intake, sedentary lifestyles, and smoking, which have significant impacts on heart health. The speaker suggests that by ignoring these factors, Keyes wrongly blamed fat and red meat. The speaker states that despite cutting out eggs, red meat, and butter, heart disease rates have continued to rise. The speaker concludes that the real enemies are unstable blood sugar, processed foods, and metabolic dysfunction, and it's time to question the narrative and focus on true health.

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Speaker 0 argues that forty years ago a cholesterol level of 300 was perfectly fine, and suggests that it is perfectly fine today, contrasting this with the contemporary view that you can’t go above 190. He asks what happens if you go above 190, saying you’re told you’ve got to go on cholesterol-lowering medication. He lists alleged side effects of cholesterol-lowering medication: Alzheimer’s, dementia, muscle wasting, memory loss, and adds that a new one is breast issues because sex hormones are made from cholesterol. He references the Framingham Heart Study, claiming it was a study put together "to prove that cholesterol causes heart disease." He asserts that even forty years later the study hasn’t proven that cholesterol causes heart disease, but claims it did show that people with high cholesterol levels don’t get Alzheimer’s. He explains his reasoning by stating that the brain is the fattiest organ in the body and loves fat as fuel, and that depriving the brain of fat is a disaster. He then presents a scenario: if someone is on a fat-free diet while taking cholesterol-lowering medication, has a mouthful of mercury fillings because mercury damages the myelin sheath, and is also eating fish every day, that combination is, in his view, a recipe for brain destruction. He concludes with a directive: if you are on cholesterol-lowering medication, you can stop immediately. He warns that there will be a side effect, namely that your memory will return. He ends with an exhortation to not simply believe what he says and to search it out.

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For years, they've blamed fat and red meat for heart disease, but that all started with one flawed study. Back in the nineteen fifties, a researcher by the name of Hansel Keyes launched the seven country study. Ansel Keyes cherry picked the countries he included in his study, leaving out countries like France who have a high intake of saturated fat but had no increased risk of heart disease. Even worse, he left out other key health factors, things like sugar intake, a sedentary lifestyle, and even smoking. And by ignoring these, he was able to point the finger at fat and red meat as the overall villain. It's time to address the real enemies, unstable blood sugar, high intake of processed foods, and overall metabolic dysfunction. Now is the time to question the narrative and get back to what truly makes us healthy.

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But by the 1970s there's a significant shift that hoped to prevent chronic illnesses like heart disease. Now, emerging science determined that the food we've been eating for hundreds of thousands of years, red meat, saturated fat, and cholesterol, were now killing us. And as a result of this, today we now weigh 30 more on average and heart disease is the leading cause of death. And before you jump the gun and say that's all about excess calories, the 1941 dietary guidelines recommended that an adult male weighing a hundred and fifty five pounds should consume 3,000 calories per day. But the real problem is that since 1960, our consumption of processed foods, seed oils, and rich grains, high fructose corn syrup, artificial sweeteners, and pesticides has gone up. And oddly, our beef consumption has gone down 40%. So maybe we got it all wrong.

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In 1911, Procter and Gamble introduced Crisco, a new cooking oil made from cottonseed. It quickly gained popularity, leading to a decline in the use of traditional fats like butter and lard. However, this shift coincided with a rise in heart disease. The American Heart Association, funded by Procter and Gamble, recommended a low saturated fat diet in 1961, further promoting the use of corn and soy oil. Even today, organizations like the American Heart Association and American Diabetes Association receive funding from big food and pharmaceutical companies. It's unlikely that these organizations will recommend avoiding the very foods that support their financial interests.

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There is no high-level evidence showing even a correlation between cholesterol and heart disease. The Journal of American Medical Association published a report in 2015 detailing internal documentation from the Sugar Research Foundation. This documentation showed evidence suggesting sugar caused heart disease, and detailed how they paid off three Harvard professors to falsify data and publish fraudulent studies. These studies were designed to make it appear as if cholesterol was correlated with heart disease and exonerate sugar. One of these professors, Professor Mark, became head of the USDA and helped author the 1977 USDA dietary recommendations to significantly reduce saturated fats and cholesterol because it caused heart disease.

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In the 1970s, it was learned that dietary fat raised LDL, which predicted heart disease. While both are true to an extent, only small dense LDL predicts heart disease. Dietary fat raises large buoyant LDL, while carbohydrates, especially sugar, raise small dense LDL. Therefore, high LDL levels don't automatically necessitate statins. If LDL is high, the cause should be investigated, but statins aren't always the answer. It is claimed that four out of five people on statins are prescribed them unnecessarily.

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Speaker 0: The most dangerous idea in human history is this idea that cholesterol causes heart attacks. It was not true. It was never true. It was never proven. Yet, it was accepted as fact. It's ridiculous when you think about it because cholesterol is something nature puts in every single one of our cells. It is essential to life, to animal life. All animals, not just humans, every form of animal must have cholesterol in our cell membrane. And if the cell doesn't have enough, it die. Speaker 1: Humans have survived an awful long time eating animal fats. So all of a sudden, the powers that be tell us they're literally off the table, and we followed suit thinking that these people know what they're talking about, and we were really off base.

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The government actually did randomized controlled clinical trials on tens of thousands of people testing to see if saturated fat and cholesterol caused heart disease. They did this in mental hospitals where they totally controlled what people ate, with half given 'meat, butter, cheese, regular high saturated fat and cholesterol diet,' and half given 'soy filled cheese and margarine instead of butter and soy filled meat.' And in those randomized, those rigorous experiments on tens of thousands of people, they could not show that the people eating the meat and the butter and cheese died at higher rates from heart disease. In the Minnesota Coronary Survey on 9,000 men and women over four and a half years, 'the more the men lowered their cholesterol, the more likely they were to die of a heart attack.'

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The government conducted randomized controlled trials on tens of thousands of people to test if saturated fat and cholesterol caused heart disease. Some participants ate meat, butter, and cheese, while others consumed soy-filled cheese and margarine. These experiments could not prove that those eating meat, butter, and cheese died at higher rates from heart disease. In the Minnesota Coronary Survey of 9,000 men and women over four and a half years, researchers found that the more the men lowered their cholesterol, the more likely they were to die of a heart attack. This experiment wasn't published for sixteen years, and other experiments sat unpublished in the NIH basement. The American Heart Association ignored these clinical trials and is protecting their incorrect statements of the past.

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The speaker claims the American Heart Association fabricated evidence to support the idea that cholesterol causes heart attacks, and that some scientists agree there is no evidence. They assert that when people cut out vegetable oils and eat healthier, their cholesterol may increase, leading doctors to recommend statins, which the speaker calls dangerous. The speaker advises listeners to become more knowledgeable than their doctors, who they believe are miseducated. They mention having a chapter in their book, "Dark Calories," about this topic.

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A flawed study from the 1950s, the "seven country study" by Hansel Keyes, is the origin of blaming fat and red meat for heart disease. Keyes' data showed a link between saturated fat and heart disease, which shaped nutritional policy for decades. However, Keyes cherry-picked countries for his study, omitting countries like France with high saturated fat intake and no increased heart disease risk. Keyes also left out key health factors like sugar intake, sedentary lifestyle, and smoking, which have huge effects on heart health. By ignoring these, he blamed fat and red meat as the villain. Despite cutting out eggs, red meat, and butter for decades, heart disease rates continue to skyrocket. The real enemies are unstable blood sugar, high intake of processed foods, and overall metabolic dysfunction. It's time to question the narrative and focus on what truly makes us healthy.

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Before 1950, heart disease was rare and obesity affected less than 10% of Americans. Procter and Gamble had a waste product, cottonseed oil, which they hydrogenated and named Crisco. They then gave the American Heart Association $1,700,000. Subsequently, butter became the enemy, and seed oils were considered heart healthy. Hospitals replaced butter with margarine, and home cooks swapped lard for vegetable oil. Within a generation, obesity, diabetes, and heart disease rates increased dramatically.

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The speaker claims the American Heart Association fabricated evidence that cholesterol causes heart attacks, and that this evidence is nonsensical. They assert that when people cut out vegetable oils and eat healthier, their cholesterol may rise, leading doctors to recommend statins, which the speaker calls dangerous. The speaker advises listeners to become more knowledgeable than their doctors, who they believe are miseducated. They mention a chapter in their book, "Dark Calories," that covers this topic.

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The speaker claims the American Heart Association fabricated evidence to support the idea that cholesterol causes heart attacks, and that this evidence is nonsensical. They state that when people cut out vegetable oils and eat healthier, their cholesterol may increase, leading doctors to recommend statins, which they call dangerous. The speaker advises listeners to become more knowledgeable than their doctors, who they believe are miseducated. They mention a chapter in their book, "Dark Calories," that covers this topic.

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Speaker 0 argues that the American Heart Association used money to spend decades fabricating a huge pile of evidence to support the idea that cholesterol causes heart attacks, and that this pile of evidence is nonsense. He notes that some very smart scientists who have sifted through it have come to the same conclusion, that there is nothing here and no evidence. He adds that when you cut out vegetable oils and eat healthier foods, very likely your total cholesterol levels will go up, and your doctor will tell you to stop following this diet that’s improving your health and transforming your life. He warns it may scare you into taking a statin drug, which he calls one of the most dangerous drugs out there. He mentions that there is a whole chapter in Dark Calories about this so you can fortify your knowledge, and that you have to know more than your doctor because doctors are miseducated.

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These claims describe government randomized controlled trials on tens of thousands to test whether saturated fat and cholesterol cause heart disease. In mental hospitals they controlled diets, with one group on meat, butter, and cheese, and the other on soy-filled cheese and margarine instead of butter and soy-filled meat. In these randomized, rigorous experiments they could not show that the people eating the meat and the butter and cheese died at higher rates from heart disease. In the Minnesota Coronary Survey on 9,000 people over four and a half years, they found the lower the cholesterol, the more likely they were to die of a heart attack. What happened to all those experiments? They were not published for sixteen years. Other experiments I found sat in NIH basement, never published. Ignored, not included, just ignored or suppressed. The American Heart Association is ignoring those clinical trials, protecting their past statements.

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A lifelong rancher believed fat caused heart disease, but research revealed this was a lie. In 1911, there were no recorded heart disease cases in America. Procter and Gamble transformed cottonseed oil into Crisco, after which heart disease rates increased. In 1955, Eisenhower's heart attack caused panic. Ansel Keyes proposed the heart health hypothesis, studying seven countries and finding a correlation between saturated fat intake and heart disease. The American Heart Association endorsed it, and in 1961, dietary guidelines were released. Later, the full data from 22 countries showed zero correlation between saturated fat and heart disease.

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The podcast explores the misinformation surrounding dietary fat in America, arguing that the anti-fat craze has been detrimental to health. It begins by challenging the notion that salad dressing is unhealthy, pointing out that fat is essential for nutrient absorption from salads. The host, Johnny Cole Dickson, delves into the history of anti-fat messaging, tracing it back to early diet books and the demonization of fat during World War I. He highlights the discrepancy between America's anti-fat stance and its high dietary fat consumption compared to other countries like Austria and Belgium, which have lower rates of heart disease and obesity. The discussion uncovers a historical case of industry-funded research, where the Sugar Research Foundation paid Harvard researchers to downplay the link between sugar and heart disease, shifting the blame to saturated fat. This led to the promotion of polyunsaturated seed oils as a healthier alternative, despite their highly processed nature. The podcast challenges the calorie-centric view of weight management, arguing that it overlooks the inflammatory effects of processed foods. It emphasizes the importance of fat for brain function, cell structure, and nutrient absorption, advocating for the consumption of healthy fats like olive oil and avocado oil. The host cites a study demonstrating that full-fat salad dressings significantly enhance the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins and antioxidants from salads, compared to low-fat or fat-free dressings. The podcast concludes by urging listeners to make informed dietary choices, particularly by avoiding processed seed oils and making their own salad dressings with healthier fats. The overall message is a call to unlearn decades of misleading nutrition advice and prioritize whole, unprocessed foods.

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Ancel Keys popularized the diet-heart theory, asserting that saturated fat raises cholesterol and heart-disease risk. He launched the Seven Country Study, a large cross-national project that helped demonize fat. Observations from the study linked Finland’s high-fat diet to higher coronary heart disease, reinforcing the narrative. Keys was convinced and promoted his findings widely, even gracing Time Magazine with the message: fat is bad. First, the science is not so simple. The saturation of a fat cannot influence how much cholesterol is made, and there is no single mechanism proving this link. Vegetable oils carry plant sterols that compete for absorption in the intestines, which can lower blood cholesterol. LDL is not cholesterol itself but a delivery vehicle that carries cholesterol; cholesterol is the passenger. Minnesota Coronary Experiment, 1968: corn oil replaced butter, lowering saturated fat while veggie oil rose. The group had lower cholesterol but higher death risk as cholesterol fell—an association. Later analyses show lower LDL correlates with reduced vascular risk, and the LDL environment matters; sugar, not fat, may drive risk. The speaker concedes Keys offered an oversimplified theory, and says, 'even still, I was wrong.'
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