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Speaker 0: 'it's it's like somebody put the constitution up on a wall and and shot the First Amendment,' noting portentous signs and mentioning Mary, his partner. Speaker 1 recalls 'the health care CEO get shot. The two people in Minnesota,' calling them assassinations and saying, 'the First Amendment got shot today.' They reference Butler as 'a game of inches' and that 'the country dodged a bullet' before. The slain was 'a friend' and 'a supporter of Microworks' who 'called me a couple of times' and who was 'pushing a boulder up a hill.' Online backlash is acknowledged; condolences to 'his wife Erica and their kids' are offered, with belief that 'he'll be remembered for a long time.' 'He had a future ahead of him. He was only 31 years old.' 'Four years from now, he could have run for president.' He faced 'lion's den'; fearless; he did it anyway.

The discussion centers on Charlie Kirk and the handling of his death. The speakers are uncertain about the official account and call for a truly rigorous and honest federal investigation. Specific points raised include: - A claim that Canada said Egyptian-registered aircraft followed Charlie Kirk’s widow, Erika Kirk, around for years in various places; the speaker asserts this is factually true and notes it is a very strange data point, though its meaning is unclear. - A claim that Erika Kirk’s event had a disproportionately large number of foreign-registered cell phones, which is also stated as true. - The speakers emphasize that the FBI has a moral and legal obligation to investigate openly and to consider all possibilities, applying the same process as in science, journalism, and law enforcement. They express a lack of confidence in the FBI and the officials who run it, and argue that honesty and a coherent narrative are needed to restore public trust. - Foreknowledge of the incident is discussed: posts on X allegedly predicted that Charlie Kirk would be killed on the date of the college event in Utah. The question is raised about whether those posts were just guessing and whether those involved have been interviewed by the FBI to determine how they knew what they knew. - The speakers compare the investigation to other events, suggesting that if they investigated, they would examine who publicly posted foreknowledge and seek detailed explanations: who they spoke to, what they know, and how to verify it. - There is a request for an explanation of how the killer transformed into a radical, violent actor, with a note that the speaker does not automatically endorse trans ideologies but wants to understand the radicalization process. - The speakers discuss Candace Owens’ role: the controversy and turmoil surrounding her claims, and the idea that those in authority are responsible for the investigation, not individuals like Candace or podcasters. - A concluding sentiment expresses greater trust in Candace Owens’ intent than in the average DOJ official, framing Candace’s presence as filling a vacuum left by authorities, while insisting that the people in charge must restore confidence through honest reporting and a plausible narrative.

Speaker 0: "We still have, basically confirmation he got shot. ... immediate incapacitation." He asserts "the FBI is lying" and that "it's quite literally not possible for the shooter to have been on the roof that they claim he is along with other inconsistencies across the board." Speaker 1: "Keep your eye on this space here... the bullet matches the exit wound, ... the shirt puffing up and the angle of the entry and exit." He adds: "the same what appears to be the bullet coming down and it does line up with the actual gunshot itself." From Google Earth, "the shooter was up here somewhere, that's the angle that the bullet was coming down from." "the shooter was most likely here somewhere." "Somewhere on those stairs would be my tip, and if the FBI aren't looking there, I don't know why."

The conversation hinges on distrust of powerful benefactors and the way money influences politics, alongside reflections on recent political events. - Speaker 0 asserts that connections to the Rockefellers are “super sus,” arguing they have provided direct funding to an individual named Scott, which raises questions about influence and motives. They contend the Rockefellers are “nefarious” in American history and criticize the notion of “selling out” to such interests, suggesting that backing from these families would align with the interests they claim to oppose. - Speaker 2 summarizes a broader concern: the idea that the path to defeating the system is to imitate or intensify the same tactics used to entrench the system. They quote Charlie Kirk, noting that those in power “have no desire to reform the system,” only to “control the system and control you through it.” This is presented as evidence that the supposed challengers are actually reinforcing the very structure they claim to fight. - The discussion shifts to strategy and perception, with Speaker 1 urging a course of voting effort as a form of action, and Speaker 0 agreeing that the approach being discussed is aligned with the organization’s stance. There is a sense of skepticism about those who advocate for “voting harder” as a solution while appearing to operate within the existing power structures. - There is a separate thread about state politics: Speaker 0 mentions Wisconsin, noting a fascination that Democrats would elect a certain Supreme Court justice while the state would pass voter ID by a wide margin, which Speaker 0 sees as inconsistent with “a Democrat issue.” Speaker 1 acknowledges the point, and Speaker 0 indicates they would review the situation further by watching past coverage. - Another thread involves a personal and investigatory concern: Speaker 3 describes involvement in a case (referenced as “mother out to the case” and speaking with someone who was “clearly killed by somebody”). They recount contacting a California congressman, Ro Con (likely a misspelling of Ro Khanna), to raise the concern, but state that nothing happened. Speaker 2 dismisses the suggestion that political action followed, and there is a back-and-forth about whether the discussion is a debate or a plea for sympathy, with Speaker 2 accusing Speaker 3 of trying to build sympathy. Overall, the dialogue centers on alleged manipulation by powerful funders, the tension between reform and control within the political system, inconsistent political outcomes in Wisconsin, and frustration with inaction on a troubling case that involved a potential kill and calls to congressional attention that did not lead to results.

"you guys were basically stealing people's stuff and not paying them, and then he wound up murdered." "Also a great tragedy. He committed suicide." "I really do." "It looks like a suicide to me." "No. He was definitely murdered, I think. There were signs of a struggle, of course." "The surveillance camera, the wires had been cut." "Blood in multiple rooms; no indication at all that he was suicidal, no note, and no behavior." "Has there ever been a suicide where there's no indication at all that the person was suicidal who just ordered takeout food?" "Have you talked to the authorities about it?" "I have not talked to the authorities about it." "And his mother claims he was murdered on your orders." "I immediately called a member of congress from California, Ro Khanna, and said, this is crazy. You gotta look into this. And nothing ever happened." "The kid was clearly killed by somebody."

The speaker alleges that a company chose a "least troublesome" witness they could easily win against, and that this choice was made the day before the witness was killed as part of a plan. The speaker claims there is enough data to assert the individual did not take his own life and that a larger plan was behind his death. The speaker states that culprits always make mistakes and that this information has been shared with the FBI. While the San Francisco FBI made no promises, there is hope that Kash Patel or the federal government will take interest and allocate resources to investigate. The speaker notes widespread support for the idea that the deceased did not commit suicide, citing reactions to PBD's podcast and other sources.

Speaker 0: No. No. Shame. Shame. Oh my fucking god. What the fuck? What the fuck? You just fucking what the fuck did you do? You are fucking criminals. You're fucking criminals. What the fuck? What the fuck are you guys doing? What the What the actual fuck? What are you doing? You are fucking insane. What did you do? What did you do? Speaker 1: You. Shame. Shame. Speaker 0: Shame. Shame. Shame. Shame. Shame. Did that Shame. Shame. Speaker 1: Dude, you shot her. I'm trying to help. No. No. You fucking shot someone in the Speaker 0: fucking face. You fucking someone in the fucking face. Do Speaker 1: you have a conscience? Speaker 0: Do you have a conscience? Don't let the murderer leave. Don't let the murderer leave. You Speaker 1: guys are the fucking criminals. You don't get to tell us what to do. Fucking criminals. Don't let him leave. Speaker 0: Don't let him leave. Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a fucking crime. Speaker 0: We fucking knew it. We're here. Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, what the absolute fuck, man? What the absolute fuck? Do you have Speaker 0: a Speaker 1: conscience? Do you have a conscience? Do you have a conscience? This is the time, man. This is the time to have a conscience. This is not okay. This is not okay. Speaker 0: Get Speaker 1: a fucking conscience. You okay, mommy?

"We need to talk about how the media is the mouthpiece of the US government." "This man was over six feet tall, and we're expected to believe that he himself from a bunk bunk that is five and a half feet tall." "However, it has to be with enough force to break his neck in multiple places in ways which are indicative of a person being violently strangled." "unbelievable coincidences of his cellmate being moved out of his cell just hours before his death." "The cameras are conveniently located so that nothing records anything in that area." "The guards that are supposed to be guarding him were told to go home because there's maintenance happening." "This is your fucking life and your kids and your families. Wake up."

Speaker 0 describes Skyler as having given about four different interviews online right after the Charlie Kirk assassination. She notes he is seen with glasses on top of his head, front row at the scene, and somehow sits on the Main Floor at the Charlie Kirk Memorial during the memorial service. She asks, “Who is this guy? How is this possible? And why are his interviews so odd?” She points out that on the day of the shooting Skyler was in the front row and near a bodyguard. Speaker 1 and Speaker 2 recount Skyler’s position: “Maybe 10 or 15 feet away when it happened. Close as he could.” They describe Skyler with sunglasses on his head, and a Charlie Kirk bodyguard in front of him, with Skyler off to the side in the corner when Charlie began taking questions. They note the bodyguard is directly in front of Charlie, Skyler to the side, matching Skyler’s own account of being “front row, Noel in front of him,” with a bodyguard to his left and one in front of him. They say Skyler was “front row and center.” Speaker 0 then says Skyler later appeared sitting on the Main Floor at the Charlie Kirk Memorial, with a floor pass for a press conference, literally “maybe 10 or so rows from the front of the stage.” They claim this is documented on Skyler’s Facebook page. They mention Skyler’s Facebook shows two, perhaps “two point, I think, k” followings, with from 2018 to 02/2025 only about seven posts and about 10 pictures, implying a sparse content profile for a “digital creator.” Speaker 3 describes Skyler’s earlier claim about getting into the stadium: “Just made it to the stadium. There is an unlimited amount of security, Secret service, military, police, empty. Steel barricades all around. … There’s been people waiting in line since 05:30 in the morning.” He says Skyler went past multiple security layers to obtain a media badge and a floor pass, and then ended up on the Main Floor “a few rows back to the Charlie Kirk Memorial.” The speakers question how he could gain access and yet appear to be late, then have a media pass and seating positions. Speaker 4 adds, “So, again, why go into detail acting as if you were late, you didn’t even know you were gonna get in, yet somehow you end up with a passing all these checkpoints to get a media pass around your deck, end up on the First, you know, Main Floor just a few rows back to the Charlie Kirk Memorial that day. It’s just like it’s a big act, a big show that this guy's putting on. It’s like he was handpicked to do all these interviews. He was handpicked to have front row that day because he was up, you know, farther up in the crowd before Charlie got there.” Speaker 4 closes with a segment featuring a clip of another person describing a mythic, imagery-laden interpretation: “An indecision night. I photoshopped in my mind. I photoshopped the blood away. I photoshopped Charlie, sat him back up, put his smile back on, and rewound the tape… I rewound the bullet going back up into the rifle. I stuck a flower inside the rifle.”

Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 address a viral video about Charlie’s chief of staff, Mikey, and explain why they are discussing it. - The video in question attacks Mikey, Charlie’s chief of staff, claiming based on a few seconds of clips that he allegedly has a nonchalant or calm reaction to Charlie’s murder. They describe this as a “extremely disgusting attack.” - Speaker 1 recounts what happened: they were at the scene when a shooting occurred. The loud crack is heard; they turn and see Charlie has been shot. They realize there is a shooter on the scene. They decide to get out of there rather than be shot, noting Charlie had a security team that leapt into action to get Charlie out. - Speaker 0 notes their own actions: he, too, considered getting into the car, but decided against it. He was ahead of Mikey as they left. He recalls a moment where he paused to assess the situation, then saw Mikey, who was profoundly freaked out. Mikey’s lip was quivering, and he said, “I need to call Erica,” then took his phone and began calling Erica. Speaker 0 also called his own mom, saying there had been a shooting and that he was okay. - They describe Mikey’s later actions: after the initial shock, Mikey took charge like a “general directing a battle,” coordinating hospital transport and information flow, and directing people where to go. When they learned Charlie had died, Mikey told them, “now none of you can say anything that you've heard because it is Erica is not going to hear about this from anyone except me.” - Speaker 2 asks if Mikey could be involved in a conspiracy to murder Charlie. Speaker 1 responds that such accusations are vile and describes how some people online fuel such narratives, comparing the mindset to getting a “high” from dangerous or provocative content. - The speakers emphasize Mikey’s heroic actions: Mikey was distressed but stepped up to direct people and communicate with Erica and others. Speaker 0 notes that he, too, was traumatized after learning of Charlie’s death and rushed to be with Erica and the team. - They address the specific allegation that Mikey was on the phone immediately during the incident; they state he was not on the phone but was taking social videos to share with their group chats. He would send updates to Charlie’s social media during the event while the crowd was changing, then, overwhelmed by the noise and shock, he put his fingers in his ears but his phone remained in his hand as he moved away. - They describe the scene as a cordoned-off area with a narrow gap that people used to exit, where Mikey walked briskly or ran as he processed the trauma and continued to direct actions. They reiterate Mikey “turned into a general on a field marshaling the troops.” - Speaker 1 closes by urging readers who propagate narratives attacking Mikey to reconsider, stating that such narratives are bad and gross and a choice that shouldn’t be made.

The discussion centers on serious allegations involving a programmer who accused OpenAI of stealing people’s work and not paying them. The group notes that this programmer was murdered, with several participants presenting conflicting views on his death. Speaker 1 states that it was a great tragedy and that the programmer committed suicide, expressing a strong belief that it was suicide. In contrast, Speaker 0 describes the situation as clearly a murder, citing multiple troubling details and offering their personal conclusion that the programmer was killed. There is also any emphasis on the programmer’s public exposure. Speaker 2 notes that the programmer had been named four days earlier in the New York Times lawsuit and had just done an expose for the New York Times on how copyright issues with OpenAI were involved, specifically on the twenty-sixth, highlighting timing as very odd. The conversation touches on surveillance and investigative details. Speaker 3 claims there were multiple investigations and two police reports, but asserts that only one police report has been seen, alleging that in the first report the writer changed it, and that this is the second report; they claim the only one seen is the second report. The narrative then returns to the stated belief that the programmer was murdered. Speaker 0 lists signs of foul play: a struggle, surveillance camera footage, and wires cut. They detail that the programmer had just ordered takeout, had returned from a vacation with friends on Catalina Island, and that there was no indication of suicide. They note there was no note and no observed behavior suggesting suicide, and that the programmer was found dead with blood in multiple rooms, arguing that these factors make murder seem obvious. The question of whether authorities have been consulted is raised, with Speaker 0 asking if the authorities have been talked to about it. Throughout, Speaker 1 reiterates their belief in suicide by asking, “Do you think he committed suicide? I really do,” maintaining that position even after the murder narrative is presented. Speaker 1 confirms they have not discussed the matter with the authorities.

"Candace ain't lying, guys. I know it for a fact." "We all know that these narratives they're spinning out that they're putting out don't make any sense. They don't make any sense at all." "We don't know who killed him, why it was done, or how it was done." "None of us really know." "If you're actually believing what these people are telling us, you're cooked." "No. No. No. Look closer. It's it's yellow. What are you talking about?" "How do we best honor Charlie's death and legacy than figuring out who the hell killed him and why and how?" "There is absolutely something going on in that organization." "There was something going on prior to his assassination." "There's absolutely something going on right now, and they do not want us to know." "We fight to figure out what the hell it is they don't want us to know."

Speaker 0: Hey, yo. Stop scrolling for one second for me. Give me just one second. Look, we were not there to figure out who killed Kennedy. We were not there to figure out who killed King, but we did figure out one thing. That this dude right here look. This guy right here running, you see him running? That is the guy that took out Kurt. That's the guy. That's him right there. Speaker 1: If speech is violence, then some are bound to conclude that violence is justified to stop speech. And we're not gonna let that be justified.

Speaker 0 says, “They doing too much, man, and they keep pushing people. You know?” Speaker 1 erupts, “Oh, shit. What the fuck? They killed my did they fucking kill that guy? Are you fucking kidding me, dude? Not again. Are you fucking kidding me? That guy's dead. Yo. We need people on”

A programmer claimed OpenAI was stealing people’s stuff and not paying them, and then he was murdered. One speaker says, “I really do” think it was suicide and notes it as a tragedy; he knew the person. The other insists it looked like murder, pointing to a gun purchase, a medical record, and argues there was a sign of a struggle. They discuss the slain man’s activities—he had just ordered takeout, returned from a Catalina Island vacation, and there was blood in two rooms with no suicide note. The mother claims he was murdered on your orders. They ask why authorities in San Francisco haven’t fully investigated beyond calling it a suicide and mention contacting Ro Khanna, with no result. The second set of details cites how the bullet entered him, a path through the room, a wig in the room that wasn’t his, and a DoorDash order, challenging the suicide claim.

My son, Sukhir, was a brilliant AI researcher at OpenAI, involved in significant projects like WebGPT and ChatGPT. He raised concerns about copyright violations in AI data usage but never voiced them at work due to fear of management. After leaving OpenAI, he planned to expose these issues and was named a key witness in a New York Times article. He died on November 22, 2023, shortly after his birthday, under suspicious circumstances that authorities labeled as suicide. However, evidence suggests foul play, including blood throughout his apartment and a wig found at the scene. We believe he was murdered to silence him. Despite our efforts, authorities have been unresponsive and dismissive. We seek justice for Sukhir and demand a thorough investigation into his death and the practices at OpenAI.

Speaker 0: The speaker alleges a cover-up by people including Bill Barr and Mike Pompeo. Bill Barr, described by Jeffrey Epstein as “CIA,” allegedly covered up Epstein’s murder in federal detention, with Barr saying publicly, “we gotta make sure everyone thinks this is a suicide.” The speaker asks why Barr isn’t being questioned about this. Mike Pompeo is accused of plotting to murder Julian Assange, head of WikiLeaks. The speaker notes that WikiLeaks released the first tranche of emails to the public, and that Assange suggested on Dutch TV that his source was Seth Rich, a DNC staffer who was found murdered in Washington in what was described as a robbery where nothing was taken. Assange hinted in the interview that his sources faced great risks, mentioning Seth Rich; the interviewer pressed whether Rich was murdered for the leaks, and Assange said he couldn’t reveal sources but that they faced risks. Shortly after, Assange was incarcerated, first in an embassy in London and then in Belmarsh Prison, without criminal charges, actions the speaker attributes to the CIA and Mike Pompeo. The speaker contends that someone should ask Pompeo about this. Speaker 1: The speaker expresses anger at what they see as broad, systemic cover-ups versus ordinary Americans facing jail for minor offenses. They reference Pizzagate and Epstein, asserting that cover-ups extend across other issues, including Benghazi and Hillary Clinton material, which they claim were never properly pursued with the appropriate parties. They point to a long list of alleged co-conspirators connected to the Epstein matter, including those revealed in a recent document drop and corroborated subsequently. The list reportedly includes ten co-conspirators: one named Leslie Wexner, pilots (three identified by name), and others such as Ghislain Maxwell and various assistants who recruited girls, as well as individuals trafficking models. The speaker asserts there were many people around Epstein who were deeply involved and deserve serious questioning. They also reference Ehud Barak as among those connected to the network. Overall: The conversation presents multiple allegations of high-level complicity and cover-ups involving Bill Barr, Mike Pompeo, Julian Assange, Seth Rich, and a broad network around Jeffrey Epstein, including named and unnamed individuals, with claims of documented co-conspirators and ongoing questions about accountability.

Wiener's laptop had kill switches in it. It was filled with crap that wasn't supposed to be there. Supposedly, nine cops watched the videos on Wiener's laptop and they had to keep leaving the room because they couldn't stand what they were seeing; all nine are now dead. There's names and faces in deadness—they're real people. You can say they died for other reasons, but it's still nine cops. It's like the five cops who died after January 6. Right? Four of them were suicides. According to AI, there were about 80 cops really in the thick of things; four of them died from suicide.

The conversation centers on a highly unusual interview in which Tucker discusses a whistleblower connected to a major AI company and his reported death. The participants note that the whistleblower, identified by name as Jamie, allegedly committed suicide, but there are strong indications that some people believe he was murdered. Sam Altman is specifically addressed in the exchange, with Tucker asking if Altman is being accused; Altman responds, and the discussion emphasizes that the speakers think someone killed him rather than it being a straightforward suicide. Key points raised include: - The case has striking inconsistencies: no suicide note has been found, and Jamie’s parents believe he was murdered. - Investigative details mentioned as evidence of foul play include blood in two rooms, wires to a security camera that were cut, and someone’s wig found in the room. - There is also mention that Jamie ordered DoorDash right before the alleged suicide, which the speakers view as unusual and suggestive of a rapid change in mindset. - The discussion notes that the parents have publicly stated their belief in homicide and have urged a proper investigation rather than a drop of the case. - The possibility of an investigation is framed as necessary, with questions about why a proper inquiry should not be pursued given the alleged signs. - The exchange questions Altman’s reaction to the murder accusation, suggesting his response appeared bizarre or unconvincing to some listeners; one speaker posits Altman might simply be socially awkward, while others feel he would be more plainly irate and insistent on a thorough investigation if he were not connected to the case. - It is stated that Jamie’s family has sued the building’s landlord, alleging a cover-up related to his death. Reported details include packages disappearing from the San Francisco building and claimed safeguarding failures by the landlord and management. - Additional context acknowledges the emotional toll on Jamie’s parents, noting their grief and the potential impact on their beliefs about what happened. Overall, the discussion presents a narrative of a whistleblower’s controversial death with multiple seemingly contradictory clues (no suicide note, blood in two rooms, a cut security camera wire, a wig, and a late-night DoorDash order) and a call for a proper investigation, while also touching on the emotional strain experienced by the family and the implications of the landlord-related lawsuit.

Do you believe Sam Altman was involved in your son's death? We need to investigate. If he was deposed, it could impact many AI companies that violate copyright laws. We’re uncertain about what wrongdoing he might have exposed. Why would they silence him if it was just about copyright? There’s likely more at stake. We’ve heard from former OpenAI employees about potential wrongdoings, but we can’t disclose specifics due to safety concerns. This isn’t just about copyright infringement; it could involve serious crimes, possibly even government-related issues. We’re calling for a thorough investigation by the FBI and President Trump. This situation goes beyond my son's death; it poses risks to society. There seems to be a cover-up, and we need answers.

- I recognized an individual and 'have taken down the cameras minute four after Charlie was shot? The back camera of all the ones when you take the front camera.' - 'I've never seen that. He's never been behind me at an event. He's never been lingering around me at an event.' - I asked about 'his presence behind Charlie' and 'the mysterious phone call ... minute three after Charlie was assassinated.' - He told me explicitly that 'they were trying something new that day. Like, it was something new. Charlie's super ambitious. And on the AV thing, they were trying something new, and they wanted to be able to feed it back instantly to Arizona.' - 'None of it makes sense to me because these events are typically livestreamed. But again, something new. Okay?'

George Webb is in San Francisco with the parents of Sichir Balaji, who was murdered. They visited the crime scene, noting signs of a struggle, including blood by the sink and evidence that he was attacked from behind while using earbuds. It appears he tried to escape, crawling toward the door for help. His belongings were scattered, suggesting someone searched for a thumb drive he owned. The parents are awaiting access to his phone and laptop for evidence. They plan to geofence the area for IP addresses related to the crime. Despite presenting evidence, authorities are labeling it a suicide and withholding police and autopsy reports. The parents seek justice for their son.

Journalist Chauncey Bailey was murdered with a shotgun, his face destroyed. The speaker claims the murder never should have happened because the shooter, Broussard, should have been in jail due to a previous conviction for brutal assault. The speaker alleges that San Francisco's DA, Kamala Harris, is responsible for Bailey's death because she put Broussard back on the street instead of in jail. Donald Trump approves this message.