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The speaker claims that the evidence around vaccines and autism in the U.S. consists of two flawed and fraudulent CDC studies. One study allegedly showed a statistically significant effect of the MMR vaccine, with 67% more boys receiving the vaccine on time being diagnosed with autism compared to those who waited until age three. The speaker says a whistleblower, Dr. William Thompson, came forward with this information in 2013 and 2014. The speaker also alleges that the Verstraten study in 2003 is flawed and fraudulent, accusing them of cherry-picking information from the Vaccine Safety Datalink. The speaker asserts there is a significant gap in the science around vaccines and autism, stating that safety cannot be determined by looking at one vaccine or component in isolation.

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The speaker questions why the press is not covering the fact that a senior scientist at the CDC, Dr. Bill Thompson, has claimed that the CDC lied about their science. They challenge the credibility of doctors and organizations that support vaccine safety, stating that real science is found in published research papers. The speaker offers a $100,000 reward to anyone who can provide a study supporting the safety of vaccines. They compare the situation to the Catholic Church's handling of the pedophile scandal, emphasizing the importance of looking at the science and being skeptical of those in power.

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Speaker 0 argues that anyone can file a complaint with a law enforcement authority for murder conspiracy and demand arrests and prosecutions. He points to a 2013 press release claiming that DARPA awarded Moderna Therapeutics up to $25,000,000 to develop messenger RNA therapeutics, noting that DARPA is the Pentagon and claiming the Pentagon bought, paid for, and envisioned these mRNA shots. He contends Fort Detrick was involved in developing COVID-19 at the UNC BSL-3 and asserts the Pentagon is on both sides of the argument, developing the weapon and the alleged vaccines. Speaker 1 asks whether there is any liability shield for deploying a biowarfare weapon and whether the narrative about congressional liability for Pfizer is a SIOP. Speaker 0 agrees that civil liability is separate from criminal liability, stating in his book Resisting Medical Tyranny that executives at companies developing these mRNA shots are guilty of murder and conspiracy to commit murder. He cites a Portugal report claiming that upwards of 300,000 Americans had been murdered by the mRNA Franken shots and invokes the JAB resolution, describing it as a Nuremberg crime against humanity and a violation of the Nuremberg Code. He defines a Nuremberg crime against humanity as murder, extermination, and other inhumane acts committed against civilians. Speaker 1 asks about liability for government officials who approved the vaccines. Speaker 0 says FDA officials who approved the shots could be indicted for murder and conspiracy to commit murder, noting the FDA’s involvement in developing COVID-19 as an offensive biological warfare weapon at UNC BSL-3, including a cited contract listing National Center for Toxicological Research and FDA as contributors. He claims the FDA, which approves the vaccines, was involved in this development. Speaker 1 questions the CDC and media accountability, noting the CDC’s recommendation of the vaccines and media promotion of boosters. Speaker 0 says the CDC, including Director Milensky (appointed by Biden, from Harvard Medical School), is complicit, and claims the CDC has a history dating back to the Reagan administration of handling offensive biological warfare projects, including shipping weaponized agents to Saddam Hussein with implications for U.S. troops after Gulf War I. Speaker 1 asks whether there are lawmakers with intel on gain-of-function biowarfare. Speaker 0 mentions Senator Rand Paul as having a strong understanding, but asserts that some lawmakers were threatened and obstructed after consulting him, recounting an experience with Walter Jones of the House Armed Services Committee who briefly engaged but then did not follow up, implying threats prevented action. Speaker 1 asks how citizens should respond, and Speaker 0 advocates reporting to sheriffs, district attorneys, and state attorneys, noting progress with a Collier County health freedom declaration. They discuss enforcement mechanisms, seizure, and incineration of stockpiles, and trial and sentencing for those responsible. Speaker 0 condemns China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology as a bioweapons lab, alleging it was a Chinese counterpart to Fort Detrick, with the Chinese president seeking his own BSL-4 program and an offensive biowarfare arsenal. Speaker 1 notes U.S. funding and international bioweapons labs, including Ukraine and Taiwan, and ends by referencing Lindsey Graham and a speaker labeled as a professor Boyle.

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Speaker 0 frames the issue as 'the corruption of science' and the 'capture of the agencies' by pharmaceutical industries, stating the goal is to restore integrity and credibility to science. Speaker 1 cites a CDC internal study: 'black boys who got the vaccine on time had a two hundred and sixty percent greater chance of getting an autism diagnosis than children who waited.' He adds that 'The chief chief scientist on that, Doctor. William Thompson, the senior said vaccine safety science at CDC, was ordered to destroy that data. And then they published it without that fact.' Finally, he asserts, 'So, you know that story. And you know of hundreds of stories like that. It happens all the time. We are being lied to by these agencies, and we're gonna change that right now.'

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The transcript alleges that multiple senior FDA officials, not just Peter Marks, are “complicit.” It claims American people believed these officials, and that each day the officials lie “compounding the lie day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.” It says this makes honesty “less likely” over time. The speaker then references a member of Congress who “cut videos” tied to “the jab,” arguing the videos would “end the pandemic.” The transcript asserts that the advocacy for the injections “killed people” and “permanently disabled them,” adding that doctors, federal health officials, and Stephen Colbert “wouldn’t want to do that.” The speaker describes what they call a “global state of denial,” saying other governments relied on federal health officials and “forced it down there,” with administration mandates requiring the injections “in complete violation” of the Nuremberg Code, which the speaker frames as prohibiting forcing medical treatment. The transcript claims that people died as a result. It contrasts political claims about the pandemic, saying Biden blamed “the pandemic of the unvaccinated” while “losing patients,” and then asserting, “Now we’re losing patients too.” The speaker says the central issue is that “your injection didn’t stop transmission” and that “your injection killed people” and “permanently disabled people.”

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The speaker argues that looking up “FDA licensed vaccines” and reviewing “6.1” in vaccine inserts on the FDA website shows that placebo trials “never” occurred, including for childhood vaccines. The speaker claims that these placebo trial details are contained in insert text that was “wrapped around a vaccine” but allegedly not shown to people due to lack of “informed consent,” and that experts may cite studies that the speaker says did not exist. The speaker further alleges that Tony Fauci lied about “six foot distancing,” and that “everyone at the CDC and the regulatory agencies” lied. The speaker also claims that Robert Kennedy Jr. stated that COVID vaccine efficacy claims about stopping transmission were lied about, referencing Rachel Maddow’s claim that if you take the vaccine “it stops with you,” and the speaker asserts “the virus stops with you bull crap” and “it does. And you heard that here,” followed by a claim that it “does not” based on what “we know.” The speaker says that FDA “has already admitted” these points and emphasizes a call to “start asking people to show their work” and to “see the evidence,” saying “Do not trust experts any longer” because “we’ve been lied to long enough.” The speaker expresses hope that a documentary will not be the last made and claims they do interviews by giving their opinions directly and not worrying about being edited “to make me look crazy,” arguing that audiences will decide for themselves. The speaker then discusses the “vaxxed versus unvaxxed” study, saying they worked to build a relationship with someone who wanted to “prove me wrong.” The speaker claims they took a risk and promised to trust whatever the study shows if it is published, and asserts that the study results will show “how bad it is when you do this study the right way.” The speaker claims the CDC has “done this study a thousand times” trying to prove vaccinated people are healthier and that it “can’t” be done, and that doing it “the right way” will reveal worse outcomes. Finally, the speaker frames the “inconvenient” study as inconvenient for panels, for the pharmaceutical industry that allegedly owns television stations, and for CDC and HHS leadership, concluding that they “aren’t going to take it anymore” and claiming “evidence like they have never, ever had before.”

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In 1999, the CDC, concerned about mercury in vaccines causing autism, studied the hepatitis B vaccine, which is high in mercury, given to infants within their first 30 days. They compared these infants to those who received the vaccine later or not at all. The study revealed a relative risk of 11.35, higher than smoking a pack of cigarettes a day for 20 years. This alarming finding led to a secret two-day meeting at Simpsonwood, a remote retreat center. Attendees included major vaccine companies, regulatory agencies like WHO, CDC, FDA, NIH, HHS, and leading academic vaccinators. Someone recorded the meeting, and transcripts I acquired in 2005 revealed that these regulators, who are supposed to protect us, acknowledged the science was "bulletproof" in that mercury was causing autism. The transcripts are available on the Children's Health Defense website.

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The speaker claims epidemiological studies are easily manipulated and that proper studies comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated groups are lacking, except for a CDC study in 1999. This CDC study, led by Thomas Verstraten, allegedly compared children who received the hepatitis vaccine within the first thirty days of life to those vaccinated later or not at all. The speaker asserts the study found a 1,135% elevated risk of autism in vaccinated children, which "shocked" researchers. The speaker alleges the CDC then kept the study secret and manipulated it through five iterations to bury the link.

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In February, I, Bill Thompson, admitted that the CDC lied and hid data showing the MMR vaccine's link to autism. I secretly recorded phone calls with Dr. Thompson in Oregon because California law prohibits secret recordings. Thompson confessed that he and his CDC colleagues covered up the data. Thimerosal causes autism-like symptoms, and I'm ashamed of my actions. Superiors directed certain actions, and I complied. Colleen, the center director, Frank, the director of immunization safety, and Marshall, the branch chief, outranked me. Dr. Gerberding, then CDC head, later joined Merck, the MMR vaccine manufacturer. I was in disbelief at our actions, but they happened.

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A study published in Pediatrics suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before 36 months of age had an increased risk of autism. The study's protocol was not followed, and important data was omitted. The information came to light when Dr. Thompson, who still works for the CDC, was secretly recorded by Dr. Hooker. Thompson then hired a whistleblower attorney and handed over documents to Congress. Although Thompson refused an interview, he claims to have given documents to Congressman Posey's office, which has confirmed receiving thousands of documents.

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Speaker 0 describes a study on the hepatitis B vaccine, stating it is loaded with mercury during the first thirty days of life and comparing infants who received it in that period to those who did not or who received it later. He claims that the relative risk of smoking a pack a day for twenty years leading to lung cancer is ten, with a figure of 11.35, and attributes this to Thimerosal. Speaker 1 asks if the claim is about Thimerosal, and Speaker 0 confirms, then recounts a story that motivated his involvement: a “secret meeting” held to avoid on-campus exposure to freedom of information requests. The meeting occurred at Simpson Wood, a remote Methodist retreat center on the Chattahoochee River in Norcross, Georgia. Over two days, 52 attendees included major vaccine companies, regulatory agencies (WHO, CDC, FDA, NIH, HHS), and leaders in academic vaccinology. Megan recorded the first day, and Speaker 0 says he obtained the transcripts in 2005, calling them horrific. He invites listeners to read them on the Children’s Health Events site to judge for themselves, arguing the transcripts reveal “panjarums of the American healthcare system” and that regulators claimed the science was bulletproof while suggesting vaccines cause autism. Speaker 1 notes that Speaker 0 has previously claimed the conference revealed that vaccines cause autism and that data should be buried, referencing a January 2011 Rolling Stone article and a Salon piece that later withdrew the article. He mentions an eighteen-month US Senate committee investigation that found allegations of CDC misconduct unsubstantiated and concluded there was no cover-up. Speaker 0 clarifies it was a two-year committee hearing led by Senator Burton at the Governmental Oversight Committee, and asserts that vaccines do cause autism, while encouraging listeners to research the science themselves rather than trust him or the organizations cited. Speaker 0 then attacks the credibility and funding of CDC, NIH, and the American Academy of Pediatrics, claiming they are “bought and paid for,” with statistics he cites: FDA is funded 45% by the pharmaceutical industry; the AAP allegedly gets 80% of its money from industry; and the CDC spends 4,900,000,000 of its 12,000,000,000 annual budget. Speaker 1 pushes back by noting that parents within these organizations vaccinate their own children against vaccines that include thimerosal, asking rhetorically whether they are willingly harming their children, and suggesting a broader government conspiracy. Speaker 0 then directs Speaker 1 to the movie Dopesick for further context, contrasting it with opioid prescriptions, and asserts that doctors treated patients and their own children with opioids because they believed FDA guidance. Overall, the dialogue centers on thimerosal in early vaccines, alleged hidden meetings and data suppression, controversial media coverage of vaccines-autism links, and critical claims about regulatory agency funding and conduct, culminating in comparisons to pharmaceutical and medical industry dynamics.

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Autism is caused by vaccines, according to the speaker. The CDC's VirTrak study from 1989 showed a 1350% elevated risk for autism among children who received the hepatitis B vaccine in their first 30 days. A series of 13 studies were allegedly done by people paid by the CDC to create the illusion that vaccines don't cause autism. The chief scientist, Paul Thornsen, is a fugitive wanted by Interpol for stealing millions from the CDC that he claimed to use for the study. His study is considered fraudulent but has not been retracted. The speaker claims there are hundreds of studies linking autism and neurological injuries to vaccines, citing a book with 1,400 references and over 400 studies. The speaker believes the CDC is a dishonest organization owned by the pharmaceutical industry and promotes propaganda that vaccines don't cause autism.

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"Roll back in the time machine to August 2014, that is when Bill Thompson made the admission that the CDC had lied and hid the fact that the MMR vaccine was associated with autism." "Doctor Thompson freely admitted that he had covered it up and his associates at the CDC also covered it up." "Thimerosal causes autism like features and that's the way I would say it." "I'm completely ashamed of what I did." "Colleen is the center director. Frank is the director of immunization safety, and Marshall is the branch chief." "Doctor Julie Gerberding was head of the CDC at the time. Coincidentally, she went on to a lucrative career at Merck, the manufacturer of the MMR vaccine." "I'm like, oh my god. I cannot believe we did what we did. But we did."

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In 2007 trial, the placebo contained a toxic agent, affecting the comparison between vaccine and control groups. Both groups had 3% new autoimmune conditions, but it was dismissed. The lack of questioning raises concerns about vaccine safety. Comparing the 3% to general population rates would be logical. Individuals like Julie Gerberding and Peter Marks, who have ties to big pharma, may overlook such issues. Gerberding's move from CDC director to Merck's vaccines president with a $4,000,000 bonus raises ethical questions.

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In August 2014, Bill Thompson admitted that the CDC lied and hid the fact that the MMR vaccine was associated with autism. The conversation with Thompson felt like a spy movie and led to a secret recording of phone conversations with doctor William Thompson, made in Oregon to avoid California’s ban on secret recordings. Thompson freely admitted that he had covered up the association, and that his associates at the CDC had also covered it up. Simerosal was described as causing autism-like features, and the speaker expressed personal shame, stating that higher-ups wanted to do certain things and that they went along with it. The individuals named as being higher up are Colleen (the center director), Frank (the director of immunization safety), and Marshall (the branch chief), all described as much more senior than the speaker. Julie Gerberding, who was head of the CDC at the time, is mentioned as coincidentally moving on to a lucrative career at Merck, the manufacturer of the MMR vaccine. The speaker concludes with a strong emotional reaction, saying, “I cannot believe we did what we did, but we did.”

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Kendall asks for an explanation of the process by which the MMR vaccine causes autism, referencing the movie Vaxxed. Speaker 2 responds that they are currently researching those questions, as parents and physicians have reported children developing autism immediately after the MMR vaccine. The speaker claims studies that should have been done long ago were not. Instead, the speaker alleges that captured researchers at the CDC, mainly people who work for the pharmaceutical industry, produced bad epidemiological studies. The speaker asserts that these studies deliberately avoided comparing health outcomes in vaccinated versus unvaccinated groups. Speaker 0 states that this is one of the things they are studying now with gold standard science. Speaker 2 confirms they are doing gold standard science, which includes replication. They are allocating about 20% of their budget to replicating studies. Speaker 0 explains replication as an independent group repeating a study with the same parameters and data sets to achieve the same result. Speaker 2 agrees.

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Bill Thompson admitted the CDC lied and hid the MMR vaccine's association with autism. Thompson's revelations felt like a spy movie, leading to secretly recorded phone conversations in Oregon, where such recordings are legal. Thompson admitted to covering up data, along with his CDC associates. Thompson stated that Thimerosal causes autism-like features and expressed shame for his actions, stating that "higher ups" directed certain actions, including Colleen Boyle, Frank DeStefano, and Marshall Kappel. Julie Gerberding, head of the CDC at the time, later pursued a lucrative career at Merck, the MMR vaccine manufacturer. Thompson expressed disbelief at their actions, but acknowledged, "we did."

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the corruption of science, which I believe you just said. That is almost your number one goal. Right? Is try to bring integrity and credibility back to science, which has been corrupted by the people who pay for it, by federal health agencies being captured by pharmaceutical industries, by big pharma, by big food. In 02/2002, CDC did an internal study of Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia children looked at children who got the MLR vaccine on time and compared those to kids who got them later. The data from that study showed that black boys who got the vaccine on time had a two sixty percent greater chance of getting an autism diagnosis than children who waited. The chief scientist on that, Doctor. William Thompson, the senior vaccine safety science at CDC, was ordered to come into a room with four other co authors by his boss, Frank DeStefano, who’s the head of the immunization safety press, ordered to destroy that data. And then they published it without that fact. It happens all the time. We are being lied to by these agencies. And we're going to change that right now.

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A doctor named William Thompson contacts someone and expresses shame about a fraudulent MMR study conducted by the CDC. The study allegedly covered up the link between vaccines and autism. A parent shares their experience of their child's adverse reaction to vaccines, resulting in loss of motor skills and behavioral changes. Thompson plotted data that showed a separation between MMR and autism diagnoses at 15 months, indicating a potential risk. The CDC is accused of knowing about this risk but continuing vaccinations unchanged. The consequences of this cover-up are described as grievous harm to children and a predicted increase in autism cases.

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The CDC initially found a link between mercury-containing vaccines and autism, leading to a cover-up of data. A study on the MMR vaccine also showed a higher risk of autism. The CDC manipulated data, destroyed evidence, and published fraudulent studies to deny the vaccine-autism link. A con man named Paul Thorsen was involved in one of the studies and is now a fugitive. The rise in autism cases in Denmark post-1993 was due to changed reporting requirements, not an actual increase in cases. The CDC exploited this to support their claim that vaccines do not cause autism.

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A well-respected nurse practitioner shared a transcript of a secret meeting involving 52 vaccine industry officials and representatives from regulatory agencies like the FDA and CDC. This meeting was held off-campus to avoid freedom of information requests. They discussed a study using the Vaccine Safety Datalink, which analyzed hepatitis B vaccinations given within the first 30 days of life. The study found that children vaccinated during this period had an 1135% higher chance of later autism diagnoses. Autism rates have dramatically increased, from 1 in 10,000 in previous generations to 1 in 34 today. The meeting's transcript was published in Rolling Stone and Salon, but both outlets later withdrew the articles, marking the start of a conflict with the pharmaceutical industry.

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- In 02/2002, CDC did an internal study of Atlanta Fulton County, Georgia children, looked at children who got the MLR vaccine on time and compared those to kids who got them later. So in other words, kids who got them before thirty six months and kids who got them afterward. - The data from that study showed that black boys who got the vaccine on time had a two sixty percent greater chance of getting an autism diagnosis than children who waited. - The chief scientist on that, Doctor. William Thompson, the senior said vaccine safety science at CDC, was ordered to come into a room with four other co authors by his boss, Frank DeSteveno, who's the head of the immunization safety press, and ordered to destroy that data. - And then they published it without that fact.

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In February, Bill Thompson admitted the CDC lied and hid the MMR vaccine's association with autism. Thompson's revelations felt like a spy movie, leading to secretly recorded phone conversations in Oregon, where such recordings are legal. Thompson admitted to covering up the link, along with his CDC associates. Thompson stated that thimerosal causes autism-like features and expressed shame for his actions, explaining that "higher ups" influenced his decisions. He identified Colleen, Frank, and Marshall as superiors involved. Julie Gerberding, head of the CDC at the time, later pursued a lucrative career at Merck, the MMR vaccine manufacturer. Thompson expressed disbelief, stating, "I cannot believe we did what we did. But we did."

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Thousands of documents were handed over, but sources say up to 100,000 were actually given. Congressman Posey revealed that the authors of a study on the MMR vaccine not only concealed the true findings but also tried to destroy evidence. According to Dr. Thompson, they chose not to disclose that African American boys under 36 months were more prone to developing autism or autism-like symptoms from the vaccine. The four co-authors gathered and disposed of hard copies of the documents, but one of them kept copies in their office to comply with legal requests.

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Speaker 0 says that with Secretary Kennedy as head of HHS, we have a unique opportunity to investigate the sins of the past, hold accountable all individuals responsible for cover ups not just this one, and clean up the mess left behind based on the lies about vaccines promulgated throughout society. We not only need to prevent this from happening in the future, but we also need to take care of the many families that suffered and continue to suffer losses at the hands of CDC fraudsters, some of whom are still employed by the agency. As a parent of an adult son who sustained lifelong, easily preventable, yet debilitating vaccine injuries, the speaker states that jail time is too good for these criminals who knowingly killed and maimed a generation of children. But if jail time is as good as it gets, the speaker says, let’s roll and they’ll break out the orange jumpsuits.
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