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In my consultations, I convince people to get vaccinated. I believe that around 25 to 30 percent of them, which is the majority, are not anti-vaxxers but rather individuals who are afraid. It is important to address these fears, and I assure you that the vaccine is safe and effective.

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The speaker claims the U.S. is managing its measles epidemic better than other countries, citing approximately 842 cases compared to Canada's similar number with one-eighth the population, and Europe's ten times higher figure. The speaker states that U.S. measles cases have plateaued. The speaker identifies the Mennonite population in Texas as particularly afflicted due to religious objections to the MMR vaccine, which they believe contains aborted fetus debris and DNA particles. The speaker criticizes the CDC's focus on vaccination as the sole solution, asserting that various treatments exist for those who contract measles. The speaker advocates for compassionate treatment and the development of effective treatment protocols, which they claim the CDC is currently working on.

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Vaccine hesitancy is a significant issue in the black and Hispanic communities. The speaker believes that instead of writing articles about why black people are hesitant, we should encourage everyone, including black people, to get vaccinated. They criticize Louis Farrakhan for spreading misinformation about the COVID vaccine. The speaker emphasizes that vaccines are effective in preventing hospitalization and death, even if they don't fully protect against breakthrough cases. They personally support mandatory vaccinations because the science disproves any links between vaccines and autism.

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The speaker claims the fight against vaccine hesitancy is being won at the family, physician, and health center level. They are focusing on strategies against vaccine refusers, not those with mere hesitancy. The speaker suggests that the U.S. could eliminate its white population to improve vaccination rates, citing Houston's diversity as a model. They claim Hispanics are a political designation, not a race or ethnicity, and that immigrants are the most willing to get vaccinated, contrasting this with Donald Trump's comments about immigrants bringing disease. The speaker asserts that vaccination rates are better in Mexico and that the well-educated in the U.S. are more hesitant, urging a focus on the "big picture."

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There was once a division between vaccinated and unvaccinated, but the speaker argues that it should be transcended because both groups had a very similar experience and “people are people” who act similarly—they just believed different things. The speaker generalizes that many vaccinated people honestly believed there was a dangerous pathogen that posed a lethal threat to them and people they loved, and that there was a solution: the vaccine, “if only the unvaccinated would take it.” They describe how the belief that unvaccinated people would pose a threat to vaccinated individuals and their families created fear, which then led to hatred and division. The speaker then generalizes that many unvaccinated people honestly believed the vaccine posed a lethal threat to both themselves and their families. The speaker says unvaccinated people did not have to take the vaccine in Canada if they did not want to, but they faced pressure largely backed by vaccinated people—resulting in fear, anger, and hatred. The speaker concludes that everyone shared an “surprisingly similar” lived experience, with the main difference being what each group believed and what they considered the facts. At the National Citizens Inquiry, the speaker says one key lesson was that listening to each other’s stories can help people come together, because both sides were trying to do what they believed was best for themselves and their families. Returning to the political question, the speaker says the situation was traumatic for most people, and that the nation needs healing. Part of that healing, they say, involves recognizing that many who “took one for the team” are injured and that their experiences should be listened to.

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The speaker claims the U.S. is managing its measles epidemic better than other countries, citing approximately 842 cases compared to Canada's similar number with one-eighth the population, and Europe's ten times higher figures. The speaker notes that the rate of measles growth in the U.S. has plateaued. They attribute a high affliction rate among Mennonites in Texas to religious objections to the MMR vaccine, due to its alleged content of aborted fetus debris and DNA particles. The speaker criticizes the CDC's focus solely on vaccination, asserting that treatments exist for measles. They advocate for compassionate treatment and the development of treatment protocols, which they claim the CDC is currently working on.

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The speaker emphasizes the importance of getting vaccinated, stating that those who refuse to do so are putting everyone at risk. They criticize the anti-vaxxers, describing them as a small fringe element that rejects science and resorts to racist and misogynistic attacks. The speaker asserts that these individuals should not have the power to influence government policies. They make it clear that if someone chooses not to get vaccinated, they should not expect to travel alongside vaccinated individuals and endanger them. The speaker urges others to condemn and correct these anti-vaxxers, expressing their unwavering commitment to the truth supported by science.

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The speaker emphasizes the importance of getting vaccinated, stating that those who refuse to do so are putting everyone at risk. They criticize the anti-vaxxers, calling them a small fringe element that rejects science and resorts to racist and misogynistic attacks. The speaker asserts that these individuals do not have the power to dictate government policy. They urge people to get vaccinated if they want to travel on planes or trains with vaccinated individuals. The speaker encourages condemning and correcting those who oppose vaccination, and they express their determination to stand firm in their beliefs based on scientific evidence.

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Speaker 0 states that permanent residents in the U.S. are mandated to be up to date on CDC-recommended vaccines, but this is not mandated for those entering the country illegally. Speaker 0 claims that measles cases in New Orleans are coming from people entering the country from elsewhere. Speaker 0 asks if the federal government should mandate that those becoming U.S. citizens be up to date on their immunizations. Speaker 1 states they are strongly pro-vaccine, an advisor to a vaccine company, and supports the CDC vaccine schedule.

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Speaker 0 emphasizes the importance of being respectful and getting vaccinated for the sake of others. Speaker 1 believes that those who choose not to get vaccinated should stay home and not work. Speaker 2 points out that the majority of deaths are among the unvaccinated and calls those spreading misinformation criminals. Speaker 3 encourages parents and children to get vaccinated. Speaker 4 mentions the normalization of untruths and compares it to denying the election results. Speaker 5 highlights that despite efforts, the majority of unvaccinated Americans remain resistant. Finally, Speaker 1 acknowledges the difficulty in resisting the vaccine but praises those who chose not to get vaccinated as a symbol of liberty.

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The speaker emphasizes the complexity of the issue, stating that the health sector alone cannot solve it. Collaboration with other departments like Homeland Security and NATO is necessary. They stress the importance of countering anti-vaccine aggression, highlighting the impact of such beliefs on public health.

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Between 200 million and 1 billion people globally are prescribed statins, cholesterol-lowering drugs. For people at low risk of heart disease—most of those prescribed statins—the totality of evidence shows a 5-year benefit of 1%. This corresponds to a 1 in 100 chance that taking the drug “religiously” prevents a heart attack or stroke, without prolonging life. The transcript notes that for individuals older than 75, using publicly available data and the example of President Trump, the benefit is described as 1 in 446. In this framing, treating 446 people would prevent one heart attack. The speaker says President Trump is also taking aspirin, and adds that in people without significant vascular disease, the risk of a fatal bleed is significantly higher than preventing a heart attack. The speaker’s main point is that no one is immune to medical misinformation, “not even the president.” They argue the issue is larger than any individual because “the system” is “more powerful,” and conclude that “collectively we have to sort this out together.”

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A week in Greene County indicates vaccine hesitancy is more complex than surveys suggest, with politics not being the primary driver. Fear is the most common reason, specifically regarding the speed of development and unknown long-term side effects. Decisions are also influenced by beliefs about bodily autonomy, science, authority, and a regional self-image of independence. There are three groups of unvaccinated individuals that must be approached differently. One group is anti-vaxx and anti-science, and may not be vaccinating their children. This group should not be the primary target.

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In the last 5 years, studies have shown that vaccine refusers, specifically those who refuse vaccines without hesitation, can be a challenge to convince. One potential solution suggested is to focus on the diverse population in the United States, particularly in cities like New York, where there are 7 Asian languages spoken. By targeting and engaging with this diverse community, efforts can be made to address vaccine hesitancy and encourage more people to accept vaccines.

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There were anti-vaccine messages in Newmarket, but some unvaccinated people couldn't attend due to health reasons, lack of information, or fear. They feel abandoned and targeted by society. The speaker's message to these Canadians is simple: it's time to get vaccinated.

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We will overcome this pandemic through vaccination. Some people are hesitant, and we will continue to try to convince them. There are also a small but vocal group of extremists who oppose vaccination. They reject science and often hold misogynistic and racist views. As leaders, we must decide whether to tolerate these individuals or focus on the majority who have done their part and gotten vaccinated. We want to return to the activities we love, and these individuals will not block us.

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I believe it's important to offer incentives to those who are hesitant about getting vaccinated. We don't need to convince every single person individually. The problem lies with those who hesitate, and we need to address that. It's crucial to emphasize that the vaccines are mostly free of side effects. Those who refuse to get vaccinated have been victims of misinformation on social media and exploitation by political forces. We need to reach out to them as well.

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Speaker 0 outlines a controversial "Solution" regarding vaccine refusers. He states, "Every study published in the last five years, when you look at vaccine refusers, I'm not talking about, well, hesitance, most of them we can talk into coming to terms, but refusers." He then adds a stark claim, "We'll just get rid of all the whites in The United States because it is the most diverse city in the entire United States." He closes with, "There are seven Asian languages spoken the solution." The remarks distinguish "refusers" from general hesitancy and present the speaker's call for removal of a racial group as part of a "solution," while noting the multilingual diversity of a city.

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Speaker 0 and Speaker 1 repeatedly describe the virus as actively targeting unvaccinated people. They state, “If you are unvaccinated and the virus comes into your community, the virus will hunt you out. The virus hunts down the unvaccinated,” and insist, “The virus will find the unvaccinated. That’s what they all say. And it’s a virus that will find you if you’re not vaccinated.” They emphasize that “the virus is literally finding unvaccinated people” and that “the virus will find you” if you remain unvaccinated, especially when you are in circulation. The speakers highlight the Delta variant as particularly dangerous, saying, “The Delta variant of COVID nineteen has the potential to spread through an unvaccinated community like wildfire,” and describing Delta as “so aggressive,” asserting that “If you are unvaccinated, it’s gonna find you,” and reiterating, “Delta is finding the unvaccinated. The Delta variant will find you. If you’re not vaccinated, it will find you.” They argue the risk is not confined to crowded urban areas but “tends to find places that are under vaccinated.” The virus, they say, “does not just move to city centers. It finds the unvaccinated wherever they are.” They illustrate this with a hypothetical: “you might live in the middle of the desert, but it can still find you.” The claim is that the virus “is looking for you” among those who are unvaccinated, specifically mentioning people who are either unvaccinated or “have only had one jab and are not fully protected.” They further state that “the virus does seem to be finding older people who have not received that third dose.” The overarching claim is that “we’ll ultimately find just about everybody,” underscoring that the danger persists across different demographics and vaccination statuses. They illustrate this with a concluding anecdote: “these three people, two of them weren’t vaccinated. One had just had the first dose. The virus was found.”

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In the last 5 years, studies have focused on vaccine refusers, specifically those who refuse vaccines rather than being hesitant. The speaker suggests removing all white individuals from the United States, as it is a diverse city with 7 Asian languages spoken.

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The speaker asserts that fellow Americans are the biggest enemy and the unvaccinated cannot be trusted. They state that now is the time to do what you're told, and it's not about freedom or personal choice. The speaker expresses frustration, stating that the refusal to vaccinate has cost everyone. One speaker contrasts the treatment of a vaccinated person having a heart attack with an unvaccinated person who took "horse goo." The speaker claims the unvaccinated overcrowd hospitals, overrun emergency rooms and ICUs, leaving no room for others. They call the unvaccinated "schmucks" and claim this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated and their freedom.

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Speaker 1 states that less than one percent of the public is totally unvaccinated. The Amish are given as an example of a largely unvaccinated group. Speaker 1 claims it is very rare to find an autistic child in the Amish community, and that ADD, autoimmune disease, PANDA PANS, and epilepsy are also rare. Speaker 1 asserts the U.S. government has studied the Amish for decades, but has not released a report. Speaker 1 believes the reason for this is that the report would show that not following government guidelines leads to better health outcomes. Speaker 1 concludes that the report would be devastating to the narrative and would show that the CDC has been harming the public for decades by burying data.

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First speaker: The question is about how many people are totally unvaccinated, and whether this is mainly among parents who stepped up. The claim is that it’s a very small percentage because many people blindly followed the vaccination recommendations for children. Second speaker: It’s less than one percent of the public who are unvaccinated. The Amish are given as a perfect example of a large group that is largely unvaccinated. The speaker asserts that you won’t find an autistic child who was unvaccinated, and that such chronic diseases as ADD, autoimmune diseases, PANDA/PANS, and epilepsy are very rare in the Amish community. The speaker claims that the US government has studied the Amish for decades, but there has never been a public report. The reason given is that such a report would show that not following the guidelines leads to healthier outcomes, and therefore there would be a disclosure that would be devastating to the narrative. According to the speaker, there is no public report because it would reveal that the CDC has been harming the public for decades and is bearing all the data privately.

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In the last 5 years, studies have focused on vaccine refusers, specifically those who refuse vaccines rather than being hesitant. The speaker suggests a solution by proposing to eliminate all white individuals in the United States, as it is considered the most diverse city in the country with 7 Asian languages spoken.

The Peter Attia Drive Podcast

#159-Peter Hotez MD, PhD.: The anti-vaccine movement, causes of autism, & COVID-19 vaccine update

Guests: Peter Hotez, Brian Deer, Andrew Wakefield

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In this episode of The Drive podcast, host Peter Attia engages with guests Peter Hotez, Brian Deer, and Andrew Wakefield to discuss the ongoing issues surrounding vaccines, particularly in light of the anti-vaccine movement that gained traction after Andrew Wakefield's discredited claims linking the MMR vaccine to autism. Hotez highlights the persistent belief among a segment of the population that vaccines cause autism, despite extensive scientific evidence debunking this myth. He notes that the anti-vaccine movement has evolved, shifting its focus from specific vaccines to broader claims about vaccine safety and health freedom, often politicized and intertwined with right-wing extremism. The conversation touches on the role of thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative previously used in vaccines, which has been removed from most childhood vaccines due to public concern, despite no evidence linking it to autism. Hotez explains that the anti-vaccine lobby has continually moved the goalposts, shifting their claims from thimerosal to vaccine schedules and other factors, complicating the public's understanding of vaccine safety. Attia emphasizes the importance of providing clear, evidence-based information to parents who are confused about vaccination schedules and the necessity of vaccines. They discuss the increasing prevalence of autism diagnoses, attributing it to better awareness and diagnostic criteria rather than a true increase in incidence. Hotez shares personal insights about his daughter with autism, emphasizing the need for understanding and support for families affected by autism. The discussion also covers the HPV vaccine, which has faced significant backlash due to its association with sexual health, despite its potential to prevent cervical cancer. Hotez notes that misinformation has led to vaccine hesitancy, particularly among certain demographics, including white Republicans and some minority communities. As the conversation shifts to COVID-19 vaccines, Hotez discusses the challenges of vaccine distribution, particularly in low- and middle-income countries, and the need for equitable access to vaccines globally. He expresses concern over the emergence of new variants and the potential for vaccine resistance, emphasizing the importance of continued research and public health initiatives to combat misinformation and promote vaccination. Overall, the episode underscores the complexities of vaccine discourse, the impact of misinformation, and the critical need for clear communication and public health advocacy to ensure community health and safety.