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Speaker 1 claims that no vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, have been properly tested. They assert that no childhood vaccine has undergone a placebo-controlled clinical trial of sufficient duration and power to assess its safety before being injected into millions of children in America. Speaker 1 states this is not just their opinion, but can be verified by anyone who examines the FDA website, specifically the package inserts and underlying clinical trial documents.

The speaker believes all vaccines are suspect. As an emergency medicine physician, the speaker thought vaccines only contained a dead or attenuated virus and saline. In September 2000, after reading a package insert and researching vaccines, the speaker was mortified to learn that a child receiving all scheduled vaccines gets almost 13,000 micrograms of aluminum, almost 600 micrograms of mercury, and over 200 chemicals. The speaker states that this is why vaccines have never been proven safe, and vaccination is like injecting foreign matter into a baby.

The speaker expresses concern about vaccinating children, as it may have epigenetic effects on future generations. They mention that studies on glyphosate have shown such effects in rats, which could potentially be extrapolated to humans. The speaker emphasizes the importance of considering the future and not just one's own generation. They argue that the mRNA messenger injected through vaccines could have unknown effects on future generations if not properly studied. The other speaker agrees, highlighting the unknown consequences of injecting substances without sufficient understanding of their medium and long-term effects. They both oppose mandatory vaccination and express concern about potential suffering and side effects. The speaker mentions the possibility of neurodegenerative effects and the role of prions in modifying natural brain proteins.

The speaker expresses concern about vaccine adjuvants, particularly aluminum, and their potential link to allergies. They highlight the paradox of using inflammation-inducing substances to make vaccines work in a nonspecific way, especially when inflammation is generally considered harmful. The speaker argues that injecting aluminum to hyperactivate the immune system should necessitate specific instructions to minimize the risk of triggering reactions to non-pathogens, potentially leading to lifelong reactivity. They claim to have never heard such instructions being provided.

The speaker believes current vaccines and mRNA-based vaccine designs cannot be safe enough. They compare vaccines to television or social media, stating that the business model and methods used to obscure safety signals invalidate the products. Upon learning that vaccines use adjuvants to hyperactivate the immune system, the speaker questioned its safety and connection to allergies. They highlight that vaccines are designed to cause inflammation to work. Using aluminum as an example, the speaker argues that injecting aluminum to hyperactivate the immune system should require detailed instructions to minimize the risk of triggering the immune system to react to non-pathogens, which could cause lasting reactivity. They state they have never heard of such instructions.

Speaker 0 asserts that there is no safe vaccine on the childhood schedule and labels themselves an anti-vaxxer because no vaccine has been properly tested for safety. They state that, in the book Vax Facts, you are more likely to die from the vaccine than from the disease for which there is a vaccine, and that this is true for every single vaccine on the childhood schedule. They acknowledge that death from the vaccine is still a death and “super rare,” but claim you are much more likely to die from the vaccine. They ask which do you want: a greater chance of dying from the vaccine or a lesser chance of dying from the disease, noting that for many of these diseases, the risk is zero.

According to the speaker, most vaccines have never been tested in a randomized, placebo-controlled trial to evaluate their safety. The speaker claims that vaccines contain aluminum compounds because many dead vaccines don't mount an immune response without them. The speaker alleges that in a Gardasil vaccine study, the placebo group received an aluminum adjuvant instead of a true placebo, resulting in similar side effect profiles between the active vaccine and placebo groups. The speaker asserts that Merck used a novel aluminum compound and that data suggests aluminum in vaccines is profoundly toxic. The speaker states that the only true randomized controlled trial involving a vaccine was conducted on sheep with blue tongue disease. The results allegedly showed that the aluminum in the vaccine was toxic, causing the sheep to become sick, unsociable, and, in some cases, die. The speaker concludes that the assumption that aluminum adjuvants in vaccines are safe is unfounded and has never been tested.

The speaker expresses concern about vaccinating children, as it may have long-term effects on future generations. They mention recent studies showing epigenetic effects of glyphosate, where consuming it can impact future generations. While these studies have been conducted on rats, the speaker believes it can be extrapolated to humans. They emphasize the importance of considering the future and potential unknown effects of mRNA vaccines on future generations. The second speaker agrees, highlighting the lack of knowledge about medium and long-term consequences of injecting substances without sufficient understanding. They argue against mandatory vaccination, stating that while not everyone will die from vaccines, some will suffer adverse effects that are unacceptable. These effects may include unknown side effects and potential generational impacts.

Speaker 0 states his position on vaccines has changed because he learned how they are produced. He had assumed they were produced reasonably, but discovered safety work had not been done. He says that in a book he completed in 2019, he listed vaccination as one of medicine's three great achievements, along with surgery and antibiotics. He now believes the mechanisms used by vaccine manufacturers and the methods used to obscure safety signals invalidate the products. Discovering that vaccines use a trick to hyper-activate the immune system to work, he questioned its safety and its connection to allergies. Speaker 0 says injecting aluminum to hyper-activate the immune system should come with instructions about what to avoid eating or seasons to avoid the shot, to minimize the likelihood of triggering the immune system to react to something that is not a pathogen. Speaker 1 summarizes this by saying the vaccine opens up the body so that anything present at the time can trigger an immune response.

Speaker 1 claims that no vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, have been properly tested. They assert that no childhood vaccine has undergone a placebo-controlled clinical trial of sufficient duration and power to assess its safety before being injected into millions of children in America. Speaker 1 states this is not just their opinion, but can be verified by anyone who examines the FDA website, specifically the package inserts and underlying clinical trial documents.

The speaker claims that no childhood vaccine has ever undergone a safety trial using a double-blind, placebo-based study. They assert that this type of study, involving a saline injection as a placebo, is the only way to determine the safety of a pharmaceutical product. Furthermore, the speaker states that there has never been a study comparing the health outcomes of children who receive the full schedule of 72 (or potentially up to 90) vaccines to those who receive none. Because of the lack of safety studies and comparative data, the speaker chooses not to inject themselves or their children with vaccines. They want evidence that vaccines are safe and make people healthier.

The speaker expresses fear and hesitation about vaccinating their baby due to concerns they have read about the potential long-term effects of introducing foreign microorganisms into their child's bloodstream. They mention various possible consequences, ranging from allergies and asthma to more serious conditions like cancer and sudden infant death syndrome. The speaker questions why children are getting these diseases and emphasizes the need to think twice before vaccinating. The conversation briefly touches on the biochemical legacy of vaccination and the importance of considering the potential effects.

Vaccines have never been safe, and it's impossible for them to be safe. The vaccination process disrupts the natural immune system, making it more vulnerable to various issues. Despite claims of their miraculous benefits, many people are suffering adverse effects from vaccines, including severe reactions and even death. The narrative that infants need early vaccinations for better uptake overlooks the fact that their immune systems develop naturally over time, aided by breast milk from healthy mothers. The belief that infants are born with inadequate immune systems is fundamentally flawed.

The speaker states they used to believe inoculations were an elegant, minimal intervention with large benefits. They now consider injecting anything into tissue with a hypodermic needle a radical intervention. They argue that comparing mercury in shots to mercury in tuna is a game of smoke and mirrors because there shouldn't be mercury in tuna, the amount in tuna isn't trivial, and there's a huge difference between ingesting mercury and injecting it. The body doesn't have mechanisms to deal with injected mercury, so the consequences are arbitrary. While they still believe vaccination is potentially valuable, they do not trust the mechanisms that generate or test these products for effectiveness or safety.

The speaker claims the pertussis vaccine, recommended for pregnant women and family members to protect newborns, does not prevent infection or transmission. They state the pertussis vaccine is combined with tetanus and diphtheria, and now pregnant women are also urged to get the COVID and RSV vaccines, and sometimes hepatitis B, bringing the total to seven. The speaker asserts that none of these vaccines have been tested for safety on pregnant women and their fetuses.

The speaker states they searched for years for a pre-licensing safety trial of the 72 vaccine doses effectively mandated for American children. They claim that every other medication requires a safety trial comparing health outcomes in a placebo group versus a vaccine group before FDA licensing. The speaker assumed this was also done for vaccines. They state they found out that vaccines were exempt from this requirement.

Dr. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. believes that vaccines can be unsafe, but he hasn't found a safe one yet. The speaker agrees with this view, stating that all vaccines are suspect. They express concern about the presence of metals and chemicals in vaccines, which they were unaware of until reading a package insert. The speaker is shocked to learn that a child receiving the full vaccine schedule is exposed to around 13,000 micrograms of aluminum, 600 micrograms of mercury, and over 200 different chemicals. They believe that vaccines have not been proven safe and compare vaccinating a child to injecting foreign matter into a precious little baby.

Alisa did not vaccinate her child because she is scared of both vaccinating and not vaccinating. She read warnings about introducing alien microorganisms into children's blood, citing potential long-term effects ranging from allergies and asthma to cancer, leukemia, multiple sclerosis, and sudden infant death syndrome. She felt it was wrong to vaccinate and believes people should think twice. One speaker questions the biochemical legacy of vaccinations and how long the effects last. Another speaker states that putting something into a baby's bloodstream requires careful consideration. They claim information about vaccines isn't really known or researched, and cite the original birth control pill as an example of something once considered safe that later proved detrimental to health.

The speaker claims the whooping cough vaccine increases the lifetime risk of contracting pertussis multiple times. They state the risk of death from pertussis is less than two in a million, while the risk of death from the vaccine is more than one in seventy-six thousand, making the vaccine 30 times more likely to cause death than the disease itself. Because of this information, the speaker would not risk their baby's life with the vaccine. They prefer to boost their child's immune system naturally to fight off any infection, relying on natural, innate immunity rather than a faulty product with no safety testing.

According to the speaker, vaccines have never been tested in a randomized, placebo-controlled trial to evaluate their safety. The speaker claims that vaccines contain aluminum compounds because many dead vaccines don't mount an immune response without them. The speaker alleges that in a Gardasil vaccine study, the placebo group received an aluminum adjuvant instead of a true placebo, so the side effect profiles of the active vaccine and placebo groups were the same. The speaker asserts that Merck used a novel aluminum compound and that data shows aluminum in vaccines is toxic. The speaker states that the only completely randomized controlled trial was on sheep using a vaccine for blue tongue disease. The speaker claims the aluminum was toxic, the sheep became sick, their behavior changed, and many died compared to the placebo group. The speaker concludes that the presumption that aluminum as an adjuvant is safe is unfounded and has never been tested.

Speaker 1 states that no vaccines, including the COVID vaccine, have been properly tested. They claim that no childhood vaccine has undergone a placebo-controlled clinical trial of sufficient duration and power to assess its safety before being injected into millions of children in America. Speaker 1 asserts this is not an opinion, but can be verified by anyone reviewing package inserts and clinical trial documents on the FDA website.

The speaker criticizes the CDC's recommendation of giving newborns vaccines containing aluminum, which exceeds safe levels. They mention the lack of studies on the combined effects of the 28 vaccines given to babies. There has been no official study by the CDC, FDA, or NIH comparing the cumulative effects of these vaccines to unvaccinated children.

Speaker 0 argues that getting the vaccine for pertussis (whooping cough) makes it more likely to contract the disease than if one does not get the vaccine, claiming it increases lifetime risk of pertussis multiple times. They state that the most damning evidence is the comparison of death risk: from pertussis, the death risk is “less than two million,” whereas from the vaccine, the death risk is “more than one in seventy six thousand.” They interpret this as “30 times more likely that the vaccine will kill you than the disease.” Based on this information, Speaker 0 states that they would not risk their baby’s life with a “dangerous product” and prefer natural approaches to immune protection. They claim there are things that can be done naturally to boost a child’s immune system so they can fight off any infection, not just pertussis, and not just whooping cough, but everything. They describe a preference for “natural immunity,” calling it the innate, god-given immunity and the bodies and immune systems as “beautiful, amazing” compared to relying on a product they describe as unsafe and lacking safety testing. In sum, Speaker 0 presents a comparison of disease risk versus vaccine risk, emphasizing that death from the vaccine is framed as significantly higher than death from the disease, and they advocate foregoing vaccination in favor of natural immunity.

Speaker 0 argues that adverse events from regular vaccines are far more common than people imagine, including allergies. They state their personal allergy to wheat is likely the result of an adjuvant that caused their immune system to react to something normal in their gut in a way from which they will never be free. They also point to their children: one son has significant seasonal allergies that interfere with daily life, and another son has an allergy to dairy which they believe goes back to an allergy to mother's milk, noting that he spit up regularly after breastfeeding and that this perplexed them at the time. They describe this as a huge waste of a precious resource and remark that it seems like evolution messed up, especially given that ancestors faced scarcity and would not want to surrender nutrients when food was plentiful. They now think that the dairy allergy developed very early, probably from an adjuvant in a childhood vaccine. In tying these observations together, Speaker 0 uses their education and what they describe as painful education to make a concluding point. If they could start over, they would not give any vaccines to their newborn children. They clarify that they are not claiming it is impossible that some vaccines could be more beneficial than they are harmful, but they now know that they cannot trust safety testing. Therefore, even if there were indications that something might be net beneficial, they would have to wonder what is hidden or not known. Overall, the speaker presents a personal narrative linking vaccines to the development of allergies in themselves and their children, uses this to argue a broader distrust of vaccine safety testing, and concludes that, given their current understanding, they would choose not to vaccinate newborns despite acknowledging that some vaccines might be beneficial in certain scenarios. The emphasis is on perceived higher-than-expected adverse events, potential connections to adjuvants, the impact on allergies, and a strong reevaluation of newborn vaccination decisions based on safety testing concerns.

German summary: Speaker 0 äußert eine ganz konkrete, sehr gewagte These: "ich sage offen, dass ich von Impfungen bei Kindern unter 3 Jahren abrate." Speaker 1 fordert, das Buch zu lesen, das "so geschrieben ist, dass sogar Oberstufenschüler es verstehen", und sagt: "Wenn ein Arzt das liest und das nicht versteht, dann soll er seinen Titel an die Wand hängen." Er behauptet, Impfstoffe seien "lebensgefährlich" und die "größte Gefahr der Menschheit." Begründung: klassische Impfstoffe enthalten Zusatzstoffe wie Aluminiumsalze, die "Gift" seien und in die Blutbahn gelangen; der Unterschied zwischen Injektion und Verzehr sei entscheidend; in Muskeln injizierte Substanzen gelangen in die Blutbahn. Bei Kleinkindern sei die Konzentration nach einer Impfung mit Diphtherie, Tetanus, Patusis "unglaublich hoch." Er schlägt vor, "wartet wenigstens die 3 Jahre ab." Lebendimpfstoffe hält er für problematisch; "niemand hat's wirklich gezeigt, dass die Viren harmlos sind." Er verweist auf Polio, Tollwut und Tetanus und behauptet, "für keinen Impfung ... echte Wirksamkeit nachgewiesen worden" außer Tollwut und Tetanus. English translation: Speaker 0 asserts a very concrete, very bold thesis: "I openly say that I advise against vaccinations for children under 3." Speaker 1 urges reading the book, which is "written in a way that even high school students can understand," and says: "If a doctor reads it and does not understand it, then he should hang his title on the wall." He claims vaccines are "life-threatening" and the "greatest danger to humanity." Reasoning: classical vaccines contain additives such as aluminum salts, which are "poison" and reach the bloodstream; the difference between injection and ingestion is crucial; substances injected into muscle reach the bloodstream. In toddlers, the concentration after a vaccination with Diphtherie, Tetanus, Patusis is "incredibly high." He suggests "wait at least 3 years." He regards live vaccines as problematic; "no one has shown that the viruses are harmless." He references polio, rabies, and tetanus, and claims "for no vaccine has real efficacy been demonstrated" except for rabies and tetanus.