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To protect the health system, we will lock out unvaccinated people. Choosing not to get vaccinated is the wrong choice. It's not safe for unvaccinated individuals to spread the virus. Vaccination is crucial, and there are available appointments throughout September, October, and November. We aim to reach vaccination thresholds quickly. In the future, there will be a vaccinated economy, allowing participation for those who are vaccinated. We won't lock down the entire place to protect those who refuse to protect themselves. Get vaccinated. There are 11,000 AZ and 2,000 Pfizer appointments available this week. The Prime Minister has informed those aged 60 and over that they are eligible for AstraZeneca, but Pfizer will be prioritized for everyone else, including 12-year-olds.

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The speaker suggests distinguishing between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Another person questions this, arguing that it infringes on human rights and that new variants have little impact. They present data from the UK to support their point. The first speaker emphasizes the importance of maximizing freedom for vaccinated individuals, especially for travel, as an incentive to get vaccinated. The second person accuses the first speaker of having ulterior motives, mentioning their connections to the pharmaceutical industry and past controversies. They strongly oppose the first speaker's involvement in public health and the protection of rights. The first speaker concludes by stating that vaccination is the path to freedom.

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Dutch (orig): De spreker stelt dat de doelstelling is: zo veel mogelijk mensen gevaccineerd krijgen. De beste manier is volgens hem mensen te overtuigen, maar hij erkent ook dat hij de macro-methode kan toepassen. Als miljoenen mensen hun verantwoordelijkheid nemen en zeggen: "Ik doe dat om mezelf te beschermen en om de mensen om me heen te beschermen", dan kun je op een gegeven moment iedereen vragen: "We vragen u ook wel uw verantwoordelijkheid te nemen." Dat impliceert volgens hem het gebruik van een vaccinatiepas of het idee dat "wie niet veilig is, kan niet zomaar in het openbaar leven rondlopen" en dat iemand niet kan stellen: "het is voor mij vrijheid", omdat "de vrijheid van die persoon brengt jou vrijheid, namelijk jouw gezondheid, jouw mogelijkheid om gezond in het leven te kunnen staan." In gevaar, ja, dat kan je niet aanvaarden. English translation: The speaker states the goal is to vaccinate as many people as possible. He believes the best way is to persuade, but he also acknowledges that he can apply the macro method. If millions of people take responsibility and say: "I do that to protect myself and to protect the people around me," then at some point you can tell everyone: "We ask you to take responsibility as well." That, according to him, implies the use of a vaccination passport or the idea that "who is not safe, cannot simply roam in public life" and that someone cannot claim: "it is for me freedom," because "the freedom of that person brings you freedom, namely your health, your ability to live healthily." In danger, yes, you cannot accept.

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Vaccine mandates were a challenging time, but ultimately, individuals made their own choices regarding vaccination; there was no compulsory vaccination. Early next year, efforts will focus on reaching those who have not yet been vaccinated. To New Zealanders who haven't received their first dose: if you want to enjoy summer activities like going to bars, restaurants, getting a haircut, attending concerts or festivals, and participating in gym or sports events, getting vaccinated is essential.

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I have no resentment towards the unvaccinated, but we can still expect something from them. We have all made sacrifices for so long, with restrictions on contact, gastronomy, and businesses, as well as the financial resources we have invested. I believe that we can ask the unvaccinated to accept a nearly side-effect-free vaccine that is scientifically undisputed. I see myself as old-fashioned in this regard, in the tradition of enlightenment and the duty of Kant. If everyone were to think this way, we would end up in chaos.

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The speakers discuss the issue of vaccination and its impact on society. Speaker 0 talks about the difficulty of restoring normalcy due to the inability to determine if someone is vaccinated. Speaker 1 raises concerns about unvaccinated students. Speaker 2 finds it challenging to form an opinion on the matter. Speaker 3 mentions doing something out of love for others. Speaker 4 asks about the potential consequences of not being vaccinated. Speaker 5 shares personal experience with COVID-19 and having antibodies. Speaker 6 mentions the possibility of needing three vaccine doses. Speaker 7 discusses the spread of misinformation and protests against the government. Speaker 8 mentions that some political parties are considering a vaccination requirement due to the high risk posed by unvaccinated individuals.

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Vaccination will always be a choice, and there will not be a two-tier society. The idea of a vaccination passport should be approached with caution, as it may create implicit pressure. Companies or organizations cannot enforce vaccination. There should be no indirect vaccination requirement, and no disadvantages or advantages for those who choose not to vaccinate or have already been vaccinated. People should never feel compelled to prove their vaccination status, and it should be legally impossible to use it as a requirement. Voluntary means voluntary, and it should not become mandatory through other means.

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There is a debate about implementing a vaccine mandate, but the speakers have different opinions. Speaker 0 is against it, while Speaker 1 believes it cannot be enforced. Speaker 2 thinks it is proportionate, but Speaker 3 emphasizes the need to increase vaccine willingness without mandating it. Speaker 4 mentions the right to refuse vaccination and the government's promise against a mandate. Speaker 2 reiterates that there will be no vaccine mandate, and Speaker 0 insists on the need for one. However, Speaker 2 clarifies that not using the vaccine won't result in losing basic rights. They believe a solution leading to a vaccine mandate will be found.

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During the vaccine mandates, people were given the freedom to make their own choices regarding vaccination. However, starting next year, efforts will be made to encourage those who haven't been vaccinated yet. To enjoy summer activities like going to bars, restaurants, concerts, festivals, gyms, or sports events, vaccination is necessary. The government is making it mandatory to ensure nothing is left to chance.

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Speaker 0 questions if anyone was forced to get vaccinated, specifically referring to a comment made by Dr. Kuat. Speaker 1 confirms that they made the comment and states their belief that nobody was forced to receive the vaccine. They explain that mandates and requirements are determined by governments and health authorities, and that individuals were given the choice to get vaccinated or not. Speaker 0 disagrees, suggesting that many Australians would disagree with Speaker 1's statement.

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Speaker 0 expresses shame in being German and accuses others of betraying the country. Speaker 1 argues that there is no such thing as a nation or knowledge, and therefore no betrayal of the nation. Speaker 2 asks Speaker 1 about their knowledge on a specific topic. Speaker 1 reiterates their support for mandatory vaccination. Speaker 2 reminds Speaker 1 of their promise of no mandatory vaccination. Speaker 1 defends their stance, stating that it is about public health and being truthful. Speaker 2 argues that being liberal often leads to political downfall. Speaker 1 clarifies that they support mandatory vaccination but believe it should be proportionate. Speaker 2 calls for mandatory vaccination in Germany. Speaker 1 assures that there will be no forced vaccination or violation of rights. They believe a solution will be found through a process that may lead to mandatory vaccination.

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Speaker 0: Wat is er nu? Cresanter dan kerstfeest en dat zal niet gaan. Nieuwjaarsfeest, zal niet gaan. Dat is toch geweldig? Je kijkt er naar uit om samen te zijn. Dat zal niet gaan. De kleinkinderen, grootouders, familie. En dat is dood, dood jammer. Speaker 1: Op een bepaald moment moet je eigenlijk zeggen: de blok erop. Speaker 2: Verder zou ik er ook nog willen wijzen dat het geen zin heeft voor mensen om een masker te dragen wanneer ze in de straat wandelen. Je kan het virus niet krijgen door gewoon straat te wandelen en lucht in te ademen. Dat is onmogelijk. Speaker 1: Als 70 procent van de bevolking gevaccineerd is, is de hele groep beschermd. Speaker 2: De eerste resultaten zijn nu duidelijk in Israël aangetoond. 12 dagen na uw vaccinatie ben je niet meer besmet. Speaker 0: De grote meerderheid van de patiënten die wij nu opnemen zijn gevaccineerde mensen. Speaker 3: De patiënten die wij in GZH nu op intensieve hebben liggen, ik heb het gisteren nog nagekeken, die zijn eigenlijk allemaal gevaccineerd. Hoe gaan we dat controleren? Wat gaan we doen met mensen die regelrecht weigeren om dat te doen? Gaan we ze in de gevangenis gooien? Gaan we hen onbetaalbare boetes geven? Dus het is een verhaal om daar eens intellectueel over na denken. Speaker 1: Ik ga ervan uit dat de politiek, geeft, als je een belofte maakt, dan moet je die belofte ook houden.

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The message we have been conveying from the beginning is that when you are vaccinated, you do not risk infecting others. Studies have shown that people who have received both doses of the vaccine have virtually no chance of contracting the disease. If everyone is vaccinated, there will no longer be any virus.

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Speaker 0: Mandatory vaccination is nonsense. No one in Germany will be forced to get vaccinated against their will. The idea that those who choose not to get vaccinated should lose their basic rights is also absurd and malicious. Let's remember the experiences we've had in Germany and reject such claims. Personally, I am open to technological and medical advancements. If German authorities approve a vaccine, I would be one of the first to get vaccinated. However, I will also advocate for the freedom of those who choose not to, as they should not be forced into it.

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Speaker 0 questions if it was Dr. Puert who made the comment that no one was forced to have the vaccination. Dr. Puert confirms that it was indeed him who made the comment. Speaker 0 then challenges Dr. Puert's statement, mentioning that during COVID-19 in Australia, people, including nurses and doctors, were required to get vaccinated to keep their jobs. Dr. Puert maintains his belief that nobody was forced to get vaccinated, stating that mandates or requirements are determined by governments and health authorities. Speaker 0 disagrees, suggesting that many Australians would not agree with Dr. Puert's perspective.

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People who choose not to get vaccinated will be at a disadvantage compared to those who do get vaccinated. Vaccinated individuals are protected against the virus, while unvaccinated individuals are not. They can still contract the disease even when the virus is not circulating much. This is the case for all infectious diseases with available vaccines that people refuse. Our role is to make it simple and free to get vaccinated, and to continuously encourage and explain why it is important. We need to address doubts and answer questions. It is not clear if unvaccinated individuals, like Laura, can go to the cinema. However, we will not prevent the reopening of restaurants just because a small percentage of the population refuses to get vaccinated. Vaccination is a personal choice, but it is also a protection for oneself and others. If concerned, consult with a doctor who can provide reassurance and encourage vaccination.

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The speaker discusses the activation of mandatory vaccination and questions whether it should be implemented only when necessary. They mention a colleague named Pfeffer in Berlin who is not available.

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We are not considering removing the mandate; it's not on the agenda. Our immediate priority is to protect unvaccinated individuals from infection, which means keeping them away from crowded places. Many restrictions have been lifted in hospitality venues, allowing vaccinated individuals to live normally. It's unfair to ask vaccinated people to make sacrifices for the small number of unvaccinated individuals.

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Speaker 0 asked about the visibility of the medium to long-term effects of the vaccine in three to five years. Speaker 1 responded that they cannot predict how things will be in three to five years, but mentioned that 92-93% of the population will be vaccinated. Speaker 0 expressed confusion, and Speaker 1 clarified that 92-93% is the current vaccination rate. Speaker 0 raised concerns about potential side effects, but Speaker 1 reassured them that if there are any, the majority of the population would be affected. Speaker 0 remained unconvinced and expressed hesitation about getting vaccinated.

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If you and your friends had just gotten vaccinated like most of us did, we would all be free by now. I demand payback. We have found something that can protect us, so I want my freedom back. And not just temporarily, because some people are shouting "Freedom Day" now. The real burden is not having a vaccine mandate, it's not having one. It's a burden for the majority who are being responsible. Everyone, regardless of age, spreads the virus more if they're unvaccinated. We can't rely on cosmetic measures anymore. We need herd immunity. I urge you to get vaccinated for the sake of children, teenagers, and our freedom. I fight for a universal vaccine mandate for adults because it can't be an individual decision anymore. It's not.

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Everyone should have the option to get vaccinated. If someone chooses not to get vaccinated, they shouldn't be forced to, although it's unlikely. However, there should be consequences for not getting vaccinated. It's not fair for those who do get vaccinated to face disadvantages while others don't. Being fair means that those who get vaccinated protect themselves and others. Vaccination prevents the spread of the virus, and as a result, life should return to normal as much as possible for those who are vaccinated and for a certain number of vaccinated individuals. That's why I believe vaccine certificates are important, not just for travel within Europe, but also for everyday life in the long run.

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We need to argue as politicians why we do or don't do something. If we have offered many people the opportunity to get vaccinated and some refuse, we may need to make distinctions and say that those who don't want to be vaccinated may not be able to do certain things.

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Speaker 0: The hope for a return to normalcy, the true normalcy, will only come when everyone is vaccinated. Then, I believe, we can hope for a normal way of interacting with each other as we used to know it. Until then, things will be somewhat different.

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The most important freedom we have is the freedom to get vaccinated. Vaccination protects you from severe illness and death, and it protects your family and community. Slowing the spread of the virus is crucial right now so we can achieve high vaccination coverage. That remains the primary goal.

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The government encourages vaccination. If you choose not to get vaccinated, you can't travel with vaccinated people and endanger them. We must stand firm in our decisions.
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