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Pediatricians are often incentivized by HMOs based on vaccination rates, with incentives ranging from $200 to $600 per fully vaccinated patient, provided a certain percentage of their practice is fully vaccinated. Some pediatricians can earn up to a million dollars or more annually through these incentives. HMOs buy and sell vaccines, making vaccines a significant business for them.

Pediatricians are allegedly incentivized by HMOs to vaccinate patients. These HMOs buy and sell vaccines, making them a big business. The incentive is reportedly between $200 to $600 per fully vaccinated patient, provided a certain percentage of the practice is fully vaccinated. Some pediatricians purportedly make over a million dollars a year from these incentives. There are stories of pediatricians firing patients who refuse vaccination. Additionally, pediatricians allegedly lie to parents, claiming babies will die without vitamin K at birth or that individuals will die of cancer without the HPV vaccine.

The Institute of Medicine reported in 2011 that over 150 vaccine-related injuries have not been studied, and the CDC has repeatedly been ordered to conduct these studies but has refused. The pharmaceutical companies producing vaccines, such as Merck, Sanofi, Glaxo, and Pfizer, have faced over $35 billion in penalties for misconduct. Trust in these companies is misplaced without solid scientific evidence. While vaccines should remain available for those who choose them, there is a need for rigorous scientific scrutiny. The FDA has misled the public in the past, as seen with Vioxx and opioids, raising concerns about their credibility regarding vaccine safety. The focus should be on ensuring public health, not pharmaceutical profits.

Congress investigated ACIP over two decades ago, finding conflicts of interest. In 2002/2003, four of five people who added the rotavirus vaccine had direct financial interest; one voted the rotavirus vaccine onto the schedule and sold his rotavirus vaccine for $186 million. Congress found that 97% of ACIP members had undisclosed conflicts. According to the speaker, a critical issue is adding new vaccines without pre-licensing safety studies. In 1986, there were 11 vaccines on the schedule; now, children must take 69 to 92 vaccines to stay in school in some states, none of which have been safety tested in pre-licensing placebo-controlled trials. The speaker states that the people in charge are now gone, and new, credentialed scientists and physicians will be brought onto the ACIP panel to do evidence-based medicine and make objective public health determinations based on science.

Changes to ACIP are occurring after over two decades of congressional investigation. In 2002/2003, a government oversight committee found conflicts of interest, citing that four out of five people who added the rotavirus vaccine to the schedule had direct financial interest in it. One individual voted the rotavirus vaccine onto the schedule and then sold his rotavirus vaccine in development for $186 million. That year, Congress stated that 97% of ACIP members had undisclosed conflicts. The speaker claims that adding new products to the schedule without pre-licensing safety studies is malpractice. In 1986, there were 11 vaccines on the schedule, but now children must take between 69 and 92 vaccines to stay in school in some states, and none have been safety tested in prelicensing placebo-controlled trials. The speaker states that the people in charge are now gone, and new credentialed scientists and physicians will be brought onto the ACIP panel to do evidence-based medicine and follow the science.

Speaker claims that the American Academy of Pediatrics' top funders are "Moderna, Pfizer, Sanofi" and "Merck" as another top funder; "So if you don't think they're captured, you're you're really not being honest." They allege that "your average pediatrician makes a lot of money by having, you know, meeting milestones about having, you know, x percentage of their, population, their patient population fully vaccinated according to the schedule." They argue "so they are pushing these things despite the fact that the science is that these children don't need it." The speaker says they found on the AAP website "they are still pushing the abject falsehood that children, healthy children, are at a they say from newborn stage five are at, quote, the highest risk for COVID." "What? Are you kidding?"

The American Academy of Pediatrics, Every Child by Two, and pediatrician Dr. Paul Offit are trusted voices in vaccine defense, but CBS News found they have financial ties to the vaccine industry. The vaccine industry gives millions to the Academy of Pediatrics for various purposes, but the totals are kept secret. Wyeth gave the Academy $342,000 for a community grant program, and Merck contributed $433,000 the same year the Academy endorsed Merck's HPV vaccine. Sanofi Aventis, a maker of 17 vaccines, is also a top donor. Every Child by Two admits to taking money from the vaccine industry, but wouldn't disclose the amount. An official from Wyeth and a paid adviser to big pharmaceutical clients have been listed as the group's treasurers. Dr. Offit holds a $1.5 million research chair funded by Merck and holds the patent on an anti-diarrhea vaccine he developed with Merck. Future royalties for the vaccine were sold for $182 million. The American Academy of Pediatrics, Every Child by Two and Doctor. Offit wouldn't agree to interviews, but all told CBS they're upfront about the money they receive and it doesn't sway their opinions.

Four companies, Pfizer, Merck, Blackstone, and Sanofi, are responsible for producing all 72 vaccines. However, these companies have a history of criminal activity, collectively paying $35 billion in fines for falsifying science, defrauding regulators, lying to doctors, and causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. For instance, Merck's product, Vioxx, was sold as a headache pill but caused heart attacks and killed around 120,500 Americans. Despite this, they only paid fines and faced no jail time. It is hard to believe that these companies, known for lying and cheating, are honest when it comes to vaccines. The vaccine industry is immune to lawsuits, making it the perfect place for these companies to avoid consequences.

The speaker states that a board was fired for being a "sock puppet" for the industry it regulated. In 2002, a government oversight committee held hearings about the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), finding that 97% of its members had undisclosed conflicts of interest. As an example, the speaker claims that when the ACIP approved the rotavirus vaccine, four of the five members had direct financial interests in it. One member, Paul Offit, allegedly voted to add the rotavirus vaccine to the schedule while he had a rotavirus vaccine in development. The approved vaccine was withdrawn due to causing intussusception. Offit's vaccine then replaced it. The speaker claims that Offit and his business partners sold that vaccine to Merck for $186 million.

The speaker claims that when the rotavirus vaccine was approved, four out of five board members had direct financial interests in it, working for the companies that made the vaccine or receiving grants to do clinical trials on it. One board member, Paul Offit, allegedly voted to add the rotavirus vaccine to the schedule while he had a rotavirus vaccine in development. The speaker says that because it's now on the schedule, his developing vaccine is virtually guaranteed to get on the schedule. The rotavirus vaccine that Offit voted on was withdrawn within a year because it was causing intussusception in kids. Offit's vaccine then replaced it. The speaker states that Offit and his business partners sold that vaccine to Merck for $186,000,000. The speaker says that Offit told Newsweek that he won the lottery and that it's been said of him that he voted himself rich.

In 1989, 10 shots were given as part of the vaccine schedule. Compared to other Western countries, we give twice as many shots. The question is, do we really need all these vaccines? We should educate ourselves and make informed decisions as parents. We can't assume that those in charge of public health always have our best interests at heart. Some doctors seem hesitant to learn more about vaccines, which can save lives and prevent diseases. It's important to note that the pharmaceutical industry heavily influences medical schools and the American Academy of Pediatrics. Vaccines are a booming business, worth billions of dollars. We need doctors to prioritize prevention and overall health, even if it means taking a financial hit.

The speakers discuss the perceived truth about pediatric vaccination incentives and the behavior of pediatricians. The conversation opens with a question about whether there is an incentive for pediatricians to promote vaccination, and the back-and-forth suggests uncertainty about this issue. One participant mentions that Dr. Paul Thomas has produced a substantial video on the topic and notes that many other pediatricians have followed his lead, adding that perhaps Dr. Hooker could provide a sharper answer. A subsequent speaker clarifies the proposed mechanism of incentives, stating that pediatricians are typically incentivized directly by HMOs. The claim is that HMOs buy and sell vaccines, making vaccines a big business for HMOs. The incentive, according to this account, is usually between $200 and $600 per fully vaccinated patient, as long as their vaccines meet a required percentage threshold for the practice. The speaker contends that some pediatricians can make upwards of a million dollars a year solely from these incentives, underscoring the potential scale of earnings. The discussion then turns to empirical observations or anecdotes, with the claim that pediatricians often fire patients who refuse to get vaccinated. This is presented as a recurrent story that the speakers have heard repeatedly. In addition to the firing of patients, the speakers recount alarming claims attributed to some physicians. They mention the “lies that the pediatrician tell” about dire consequences of not vaccinating, such as “our baby will die” if vitamin K is not given at birth, or that the baby will bleed out before it gets to the car. They also reference the belief expressed by some that “if you don’t get the HPV vaccine, then you will die of cancer.” These stories are described as being told repeatedly by parents who have encountered such warnings. The segment closes with a rhetorical and emotional question about accountability: how can doctors get away with lying like that to parents? The speakers convey a sense of concern and frustration about the repetition of these claims and the impact they have on parents who are trying to make informed decisions for their children.

Speaker 0 describes a study on the hepatitis B vaccine, stating it is loaded with mercury during the first thirty days of life and comparing infants who received it in that period to those who did not or who received it later. He claims that the relative risk of smoking a pack a day for twenty years leading to lung cancer is ten, with a figure of 11.35, and attributes this to Thimerosal. Speaker 1 asks if the claim is about Thimerosal, and Speaker 0 confirms, then recounts a story that motivated his involvement: a “secret meeting” held to avoid on-campus exposure to freedom of information requests. The meeting occurred at Simpson Wood, a remote Methodist retreat center on the Chattahoochee River in Norcross, Georgia. Over two days, 52 attendees included major vaccine companies, regulatory agencies (WHO, CDC, FDA, NIH, HHS), and leaders in academic vaccinology. Megan recorded the first day, and Speaker 0 says he obtained the transcripts in 2005, calling them horrific. He invites listeners to read them on the Children’s Health Events site to judge for themselves, arguing the transcripts reveal “panjarums of the American healthcare system” and that regulators claimed the science was bulletproof while suggesting vaccines cause autism. Speaker 1 notes that Speaker 0 has previously claimed the conference revealed that vaccines cause autism and that data should be buried, referencing a January 2011 Rolling Stone article and a Salon piece that later withdrew the article. He mentions an eighteen-month US Senate committee investigation that found allegations of CDC misconduct unsubstantiated and concluded there was no cover-up. Speaker 0 clarifies it was a two-year committee hearing led by Senator Burton at the Governmental Oversight Committee, and asserts that vaccines do cause autism, while encouraging listeners to research the science themselves rather than trust him or the organizations cited. Speaker 0 then attacks the credibility and funding of CDC, NIH, and the American Academy of Pediatrics, claiming they are “bought and paid for,” with statistics he cites: FDA is funded 45% by the pharmaceutical industry; the AAP allegedly gets 80% of its money from industry; and the CDC spends 4,900,000,000 of its 12,000,000,000 annual budget. Speaker 1 pushes back by noting that parents within these organizations vaccinate their own children against vaccines that include thimerosal, asking rhetorically whether they are willingly harming their children, and suggesting a broader government conspiracy. Speaker 0 then directs Speaker 1 to the movie Dopesick for further context, contrasting it with opioid prescriptions, and asserts that doctors treated patients and their own children with opioids because they believed FDA guidance. Overall, the dialogue centers on thimerosal in early vaccines, alleged hidden meetings and data suppression, controversial media coverage of vaccines-autism links, and critical claims about regulatory agency funding and conduct, culminating in comparisons to pharmaceutical and medical industry dynamics.

"Well, we fired that board because they were it was an utterly it was just an instrument. It was a sock puppet for the industry that it was supposed to regulate." "They said that 97% of the people on that board had undisclosed conflicts, many of them that had disclosed conflicts as well." "rotavirus vaccine was approved by that board, and there were five members of that board at that time, and four of them had direct financial interests in the rotavirus vaccine." "The one they voted on, that he voted on, within a year it had to be withdrawn because it was causing this really disastrous disease in kids that is often lethal, called intussusception." "he and his business partners sold that vaccine to Merck for a $186,000,000. He told Newsweek that he won the lottery."

The speakers discuss the increased number of vaccines since 1990 and question if all are necessary. One speaker claims the US vaccine schedule includes twice as many shots as other Western countries. They suggest parents should educate themselves, space out or delay vaccines, and clean out toxins. One speaker believes public health officials may not always have people's best interests at heart. They claim the AAP and medical schools are financed by drug companies and that vaccines are the pharmaceutical industry's largest growing division, worth $13 billion. They suggest asking pharmaceutical companies to take a loss for the good of children is a tough sell.

A rotavirus vaccine was approved by a board with five members, four of whom had financial interests in rotavirus vaccines through employment or grants. One member, Paul Offit, voted to add the rotavirus vaccine to the schedule while developing his own. The approved vaccine was withdrawn within a year due to causing intussusception, a potentially lethal disease. Offit's vaccine then replaced it. Offit remained on the committee but didn't vote on the replacement. He and his business partners sold their vaccine to Merck for $186 million. Offit told Newsweek he "won the lottery."

Pediatricians and general practitioners receive financial incentives to vaccinate early and often, which has distorted pediatric care. Pediatricians get incentives for having a high percentage of children in their practice up-to-date on federally recommended vaccines. The American Academy of Pediatrics advises pediatricians to drop families who don't adhere to the CDC schedule. A pediatrician with a large practice can earn hundreds of thousands of dollars by having a 90% or 95% vaccine uptake rate, in addition to other bonuses. This is legal, but it shouldn't be, because it's premised on the idea that vaccines are harmless and only good, which is false.

The speaker states the vaccine recommendation panel has been under attack for 20 years. A 2002 congressional investigation allegedly found 97% of panel members had conflicts of interest with the pharmaceutical industry. One instance cited four out of five members working for a company when they approved its vaccine, and one voting member held a patent on that vaccine, later sold for $186 million. The speaker says the goal is to ensure the panel consists of individuals without conflicts of interest who are not profiting from their votes. The speaker claims that since the panel's inception in 1986, the vaccine schedule has expanded from 11 doses of five vaccines to 69 to 92 doses of 19 vaccines, none of which have been tested for safety. The speaker asserts this is malpractice and aims to ensure all vaccines are tested for safety so physicians and patients understand the risk profile and benefits of each vaccine.

Doctors receive year-end bonuses from insurance companies for fully vaccinated patients, sometimes $250-$400 per patient. For a pediatrician with a thousand patients, this could mean a bonus of $250,000 to $500,000. For an office with 10 pediatricians, bonuses could reach millions of dollars. It is wondered if insurance companies are incentivized by the pharmaceutical industry to promote vaccines and bonus doctors for administering them.

Doctors have incentives related to vaccines, with one article claiming that 50% of pediatricians' revenue comes from them. Insurance companies like Blue Cross allegedly pay bonuses to pediatricians who maintain high vaccination rates among their clients, potentially tens of thousands of dollars. This bonus structure is claimed to be the reason pediatricians might dismiss patients who want alternative vaccine schedules. These incentives are characterized as perverse, hindering doctors from prioritizing patient care over financial gain. It is claimed that twenty years ago, 20% of doctors worked for corporations, but now 80% do, with corporations prioritizing revenue over patient well-being.

After 1989, the US administers twice as many vaccines as other Western countries. Parents should educate themselves on vaccine necessity, questioning if certain shots are essential. Doubts arise about public health officials' motives, given pharmaceutical industry influence. The American Academy of Pediatrics and medical schools receive funding from drug companies, impacting vaccine decisions. Advocates urge prioritizing children's well-being over profit in vaccine production.

A pediatrician’s office typically gets about 50% of its funding from vaccines, not from selling the vaccines themselves but from the traffic they generate. The speaker recalls a time when doctors were visited only for concrete needs like stitches; today, every kid goes to the doctor at least 10 times to get vaccines, and that foot traffic is a major part of the office’s business plan. Pediatricians are rewarded by Blue Cross Blue Shield with a reward schedule for vaccinating a high percentage of their patients—85% or more. The speaker mentions payments of about 40 to 400 dollars per kid, implying that hundreds of thousands of dollars can be earned by ensuring 85% vaccination rates. Because of these incentives, there is pressure to maintain high vaccination figures, and the speaker claims doctors will exclude patients who resist or “fight back,” not out of concern for the individual child but to protect the metrics and their bonuses. The speaker adds that these schedules have been published, and people can look up the Blue Cross Blue Shield schedule to see what their pediatrician earns. The implication is that the money earned from compliance creates perverse incentives that may prioritize meeting vaccination targets over treating the individual patient. The speaker emphasizes that in a democracy, people must do their own research to protect their child, suggesting that parental diligence is necessary to navigate these incentives.

After 1989, the US gave twice as many shots as 30 countries in the Western world. It is important to choose which vaccines are necessary and for parents to educate themselves. Questions to consider are whether children need chickenpox or the hepatitis B shot on the second day of life. It can no longer be assumed that public health officials always have people's best interests at heart, so parents must make their own decisions. It is unclear why a doctor wouldn't want to know more about something that could save a life or prevent disease. The AAP is financed by drug companies, and vaccines are the largest growing division of the pharmaceutical industry at $13 billion. These companies control medical schools. Asking them to take a loss for the good of children is a tough sell.

The CDC has an $11.5 billion budget, with almost $5 billion allocated to purchasing and promoting vaccines and only $20 million to studying vaccine safety. The CDC effectively functions as a vaccine company, owning 56 vaccine patents. Scientists at the FDA and CDC can receive up to $150,000 annually in royalties from vaccines they develop. The former CDC director from 2002-2009, Julie Gerberding, who oversaw many vaccine studies later deemed unreliable, became president of Merck's vaccine division in 2010, with an estimated $2.5 million salary and stock options. After HHS licenses, recommends, and promotes vaccines, it defends against claims that vaccines cause harm. As the defendant in vaccine court cases, HHS has an incentive to suppress studies showing vaccine unsafety.

The speaker says a board was fired for being a "sock puppet" for the industry it regulated. In 2002, a government oversight committee held hearings about the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), stating that 97% of its members had undisclosed conflicts of interest. The rotavirus vaccine's approval was cited as an example, with four out of five board members having direct financial interests in it. Paul Offit, who frequently speaks about vaccines, voted to add the rotavirus vaccine to the schedule while developing his own. After the rotavirus vaccine was mandated, Offit's vaccine was guaranteed to be on the schedule. The approved vaccine was withdrawn due to causing intussusception in children. Offit and his business partners then sold their rotavirus vaccine to Merck for $186 million.